Calis Beach and Fethiye Turkey Discussion Forum
Property For Sale in Calis Beach & Turkey => Moving To Turkey => Topic started by: madmickey on January 22, 2012, 19:07:22 PM
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given the chance to stay in turkey or come back to england what would everybody do give me the plus points on living in turkey to living in england
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This section is for new members to introduce themselves Michael - I'll move this to the "Moving to Turkey" section.
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thanks scunner im still getting the hang of it
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No problem, we can move things when needed - welcome to the forum by the way.
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Forgive me if it's being too personal madmickey but your first post said you were moving to calas next year for good and you are now asking about the pros and cons of living in Turkey as opposed to England. I'm intrigued as to know if you weighed up the +'s and -'s before deciding to move.
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I think your timing is not good - read post titled Medical Insurance - some high emotions coming through ;)
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hi highlander we have been to turkey 10 times on holiday all over we love the country and the people we have found a nice place in calas to live
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Thanks
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Move to India ;) Gotta love the curries:D
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You can not compare one country to another, it is what you like about the country you are going to make your new home that counts, not what anyone else thinks, to start off with you have to make sure you have enough money to live without having to budget all the time on what you can or cannot buy and then you will have no problems at all.
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Even if you can afford to live clearly doesn't mean that you are going to have no problems at all. A couple of others for starters
1. The languauge problems
2. The weather
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Originally posted by Highlander
Even if you can afford to live clearly doesn't mean that you are going to have no problems at all. A couple of others for starters
1. The languauge problems
2. The weather
True, but the language problem you can overcome but the weather no matter where you live you can do sod all about it.
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Been on holiday is very different to living here on a budget - when you come on holiday you save and bring loads of spending money so you can do what you like and eat out and have a fantastic time - living here is very different. You will find that things you happily spent money on as a holiday maker seem expensive and you own;t want to go out as much in the summer when it's too hot and prices are higher in lots of resturants and the markets. The medical insurance is a problem that is worrying many people right now. If I can afford to stay I can't imagine wanting to return to the UK.
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Only stayed here 2 months full time, so give me another 10 years and i may come up with some answers.
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Well having lived in Ovacik for 12 years I decided in August to return to England (I have two granchildren now that I did not have when I moved) that being one of the reasons I also had just had enough of Turkey as has been mentioned before on CBF the trip to the banks funny! and "we have nothing else to do" becomes irritaiting and boring after 12 years the bureaucracy I found both labourious and a complete waste of time (mine and the same person=people I had to see at least twice!)the EPKs that have come over in the last 6 years drove me mad with there attitude :o they seemed to bring a part of the UK with them that I personaly could not wait to get away from ;)I also found a change in some of the locals attitude it imo seemed some were getting a bit hostile[?]walking my dogs and worring if I had been burgled whilst out[:(!](3 times in the first 4 years)watching that they(dogs) did not pick up anything that may have been poisoned[:(!] and imo you will always be a yabanci no matter how hard you try to fit in to the way of life and culture but to be quite honest I am loving it at home the silly little things that make home home so to speak. I will never regret the time I lived there and have some wonderful memorys to cherish for the rest of my days I may visit at some time in the future but (and this may sound crazy) I can not wait to go on holiday :) so for now I am enjoying Leigh on sea in Essex and a pint of real beer 8) for people thinking of the big move go for it just keep both eyes wide open at all times and beware of Turks bearing gifts :)
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Very good post bm06 you sum up the bad parts very well,now how about some of the things you really enjoyed.
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Well Ron the topic heading being "come back to England or stay" the reasons given above are some not all of the reasons which convinced me to come back home as I said the "wonderful memorys I will cherish for the rest of my days"(I could write a book Ron) but the Boss would not thank me for taking all the band width up!
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I would only object on the basis that we'd probably write the same book and I wouldn't want to share the royalties ;) I too am grateful for the experiences and memories (and in fact the stories more than anything) but I do feel we hit it just at the right time - I have no desire to live there now. I hardly recognise it as the place we moved to (in terms of atmosphere, attitude and excitement rather than appearance), but enjoy our holidays and visits there very much.
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We spent 5 years in Ovacik and some of it was great but we did have some problems. My reasons for leaving are similar to BM06 and with some more. We bought a villa in a very quiet part of Ovacik and the first couple of years were great. I thought this was the best place in the world. The majority of my neighbours were Turkish and they were lovely and became friends. One afternnon sitting minding my own business all of these coaches started to park in the council land and all along our small road. 24 coaches turned up. It became a nightmare with these coaches doing airport transfers all through the day and night. The drivers would start up the buses an hour before they were leaving for the pickup so that the air conditioning worked. Bus drivers were changing their work clothes in full view,urinating around the back of the buses and throwing rubbish everywhere.Thousands of plastic water bottles by the side of the road. There was more traffic along our road than you would have got at the Otogar. It was not just me but my Turkish neighbours who were complaining. We made visits to the mayor and he promised that these buses would be moved and nothing ever happened. We had petitions and did it all legally. End of the season they left.
In April the following year they turned up again. We went through the complaining process again and nothing happened. One day the jeandarma turned up and I was arrested and taken to the station in Olu Deniz. I was accused of damaging a bus. The drivers thought it was a great laugh as it was stage managed and I got taken away while a load of them were watching.When I asked the jeandarma what proof did they have I was told that they did not have any and it was the word of the drivers. They did not even seee the bus that I was supposed to have damaged. I was eventually released 3 hours later.One of the Jeandarma was a nice bloke and he gave me a lift home and told me that I should not push this because there were many backhanders been given to allow the coaches to park in the area and that I could get beaten up as the bus company is not happy about my complaints.It seems Yilmaz, the mayor, had his palm crossed with silver. I never did damage any of their coaches.
In the UK you are innocent until proved guilty, I did not feel that way in Turkey. Like some other people on here I had problems with speeding tickets. I learnt about the fines when I went to pay the car tax. No information was ever produced to substantiate these fines and I just had to pay them.
We also had some very good experiences. My Turkish neighbours I would not swap for the world. They were great and most of the Turks are charming.The beauty of the area is a big draw. I preferred going to Olu Deniz in the winter when the place was empty.In some ways I preferred the winter to the summer.I would go and watch Olu deniz play football up in the sportsground in Ovacik and sit there looking at the snow capped mountains.
As I have seen it and done it I would not go back. It took a little time but I am happy to be out of the place. In my opinion, even with all its faults, the UK is still the best place in the world. Ppeople are on here knocking the UK and the NHS. Being a diabetic all I can say is the treatment and care I have got is second to none.The weather may not be the best but I will settle for what it offers.
Anyone reading this do not let my opinion or experiences be the decider for you. What is good for one does not mean it is good for another.The real piece of advice I would give is if you are not sure do not cut your ties with the UK immediately.Some people have sold up and now regret it.
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Originally posted by Ovacikpeedoff
In the UK you are innocent until proved guilty, I did not feel that way in Turkey.
In Turkish justice system, it is little bit different. You are guilty till you prove that you are innocent [:(!]
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I would agree with Ovacikpeedoff's suggestion that you do not cut all ties with UK until you are absolutely certain it's what you want to do. We have lived here for just over 3 yrs and have rented our house in England and only rented here. We are moving back in April and I am so glad we didn't sell up and buy a property in Turkey. I'm not saying we haven't enjoyed our time here, but a lot of things are happening now between the Turkish and the foreigners that I feel it is the right time to return to the UK and our family. Good luck for whatever you decide to do. :)
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Originally posted by Ovacikpeedoff
In the UK you are innocent until proved guilty, I did not feel that way in Turkey.
That's because the Turkish legal system is based on the Napoleonic Code. One of the main tenets of this is that you ARE guilty until proven innocent.
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Thanks for the answer bm06 ,i actually agree with you and with scunners comment "we hit it at the best time "
I used to spend up to 7 months of the year in Calis and Kus and in the early years i would loved to have moved full time .The thing i miss most are some realy good people ,again it takes time to find out the guenuine ones.
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KKOB that is fine but to prove anyone guilty you must have evidence.
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Originally posted by Ovacikpeedoff
KKOB that is fine but to prove anyone guilty you must have evidence.
Look, I didn't invent the Napoleonic Code. But, I do accept that it's way things are done in Turkey. :D
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It does not matter what code it is. To charge anyone with any crime there has to be evidence and not just hearsay. Maybe that is why Turkey even spends more time at the Court of Human Rights than the Brits do.
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What about the Libyan system - guilty until executed! Seemed to keep crime levels down for a while.
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Enjoyed reading this topic, really interesting,personally I could never live there, but like to visit.
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we can't wait to live there counting down the years until retirement