Calis Beach and Fethiye Turkey Discussion Forum
Other Local Resorts & Areas => Kayakoy Discussion Forum => Topic started by: TimJon on August 26, 2012, 15:58:19 PM
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I don't know anything about how much space a caged bird is supposed to have but I do think that the two Peacocks and at least one Peahen which are caged on the opposite side of the Deniz Kuzu restuarant on the way from Gemiler village to Gemiler Beach looked pretty damned cramped in that cage.
I am not trying to start a witch hunt against the owners or am a "rightist" in any way but it seems a bit "tight" for those birds. Maybe they are ok, I just do not know. I am hoping that someone who does know can have a look. Mayhaps this is another attempt to drum up business in that inimitable "Turkish" style - Dolphins, Ducks, Terrapins et al?
TJ ??? ???
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I used to keep two pea hens and a peacock (called Percy). They like to roam freely during the day and usually in high places in the evening, usually trees.
When customers used to come to my shop Percy used to come up and display his feathers to them. He was so tame people feed him from their hands.
It seems totally cruetly to keep them in a cage. Peacocks do not belong in cages they should be roaming and flying as they wish.
Once they are familiar with their surroundings, they will always come back to be fed and to roost, so why cage them?? >:( :(
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They're OK. They keep them in the cages for their own safety while the quad-bike safaris are racing up and down the road and showing no regard for safety.
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So why bother keeping them at all if they are going to be caged up "for their own protection" Sorry, I don't buy that argument.
We also have a road coming up to our place, but the peacocks just used to fly out of the way, and lots of time up to the roof.
I know a big Farm in this area that keep a lot of peacocks and there are quads, tractors, combines up and down the road and into the farm all the time. The Farmer does not pen them up and they manage just fine.
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Jacqui, They're not MY peacocks so I can't answer all your questions about them.
I can tell you however that the quad-bike riders have in the past chased and killed, or caused the death of, a number of livestock including peacocks, chickens, goats and lambs in the Kaya Valley. They've also been seen deliberately squashing tortoises, chameleons and agamas. The peacocks are caged for part of the day for about 8 weeks during the summer because of the quads, and at night during the rest of the year to protect them from polecats.
Whether or not you care to "buy that argument" is entirely your choice.
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Disturbing to read that , how nasty people can be. Sad
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KKOB wrote:
"They're OK. They keep them in the cages for their own safety while the quad-bike safaris are racing up and down the road and showing no regard for safety."
Well, I have been down that road enough times to see the quadbikers sitting in that cafe quaffing beverages of all sorts whilst the birds are still caged so please, don't say that the peacococks prediciments are the fault made by their feathered selves. No, It is those who run the quadbiker company who don't care about the birds, for goodness sake I have seen many of them (the holidaymakers) hanging on to their motorised steeds for dear life as their "guides" foment them to drive faster (lookee, I video you!!!!)
NO KKOB!!! you cannot pass this onto people who are here today and gone tomorrow. In my humble opinion it is the inherent belief that these Turkish catering businesses think that have to have an attraction to bring in tourist money.
I still wait to hear someone complain that they think that Yakapark is cruel to have live trout in a "stream" running along the top of an open bar area so that customers can "tickle " them to death in the shallow warm water whilst laughingly down an Efes or two.
TJ :( :( :(
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Just to reiterate something already said - they are not KKOB's peacocks - why are people having a go at him about them!!!
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TimJohn , KKOB is on the animals side if that makes sense !
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Because they scan the comment and don't read the message :( :o.
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I fully accept that these are not KKOB's birds, following his posts as I have for a very long time, no way would I believe he would sanction this. I know that he is based in the area and is cognicent if most goings on there.
I said at the outset, I am no expert in these matters, just wishing to draw the attention to what I think may be a problemfor these caged birds.
TJ
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Based in the area ?
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KKOB wote "I can tell you however that the quad-bike riders have in the past chased and killed, or caused the death of, a number of livestock including peacocks, chickens, goats and lambs in the Kaya Valley. They've also been seen deliberately squashing tortoises, chameleons and agamas."
Who are these people KKOB?? Do they do this during the Summer (if so, why has this never been mentioned before???) or is it a Winter "Sport" carried out only by local quadbikers?? Who has seen these poor tortioses chameleons and agamas being squished? Is there any evidence written, oral or photographic??
Evidence please
TJ ??? ???
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Out of my depth now, who are you ?
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Tim no offence but why should KKOB provide you with evidence? You either believe what he says or dismiss it. Personally, if KKOB says something I believe him.
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Stan wrote:
"Based in the area ?"
With the greatest of respect to KKOB, I do know that he is residing within the Kaya Koy area, what do you want me to do, give everyone his address??
Leave it out Stan.
TJ
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No, It is those who run the quadbiker company who don't care about the birds, for goodness sake I have seen many of them (the holidaymakers) hanging on to their motorised steeds for dear life as their "guides" foment them to drive faster (lookee, I video you!!!!)
Exactly ! They're a blight on the whole valley and are only welcomed by a very small minority who make money from them. Unfortunately though, this very small minority have a very loud voice in the area.
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Now, now you 2. There's no need for that.
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Name calling has never had a place here - replies have been deleted. Next one will lock the topic.
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Sorry about that ,just thaught it unfair to KKOB ,
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I can fight my own corner thanks.
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Go for it then !
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Scunner,
I too have great respect for KKOB and his contributions to the forum.
What I have a problem with is the iteration of sweeping statements without referencing them. Please KKOB and others, it is my way. I see something , I speak. I come from an academic background where to reach a conclusion all things have to be considered. I asked what I thought was a simple question to which there should have been a simple answer, I asked for information in a non acedemic manner.Normally I would disseminate it and respond, vis a vis "are these birds being abused?" answer yes or no. seems it is not that easy. I think maybe I should retire to academia where answers are not so forthcoming without much more rigorous examination.
TimJon
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What I have a problem with is the iteration of sweeping statements without referencing them.
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I think maybe I should retire to academia where answers are not so forthcoming without much more rigorous examination.
TimJon
I think maybe you are right, public discussion forums certainly don't seem to suit you, based on your contributions (14) to date.
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Sorry TimJon, but if you want chapter and verse answers to every question, then you're going to be very disappointed. I'm obviously not as academically qualified as yourself so, in order to cut out the waffle, I tend to be short and to the point with many of my replies. I haven't spent my life taking photographs and noting the dates and times of various events in order to provide the likes of you with references and hard evidence for your "rigorous examination".
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It would be very boring too :D
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Scunner,
You may be correct, however, does this mean that my original question regarding the situation of those birds is now irrelevant?
TJ
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You're the academic, you tell me.
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TimJon. I have read the original post and subsequent posts by you on this topic, and subjected them to “rigorous examination”.
It seems you hoped someone “who does know” could report back on whether the cage in which these birds were of a suitable size. You are correct that no one has directly addressed your concerns.
You just might have got the information you requested if you had supported your concerns by providing “evidence” available to you enough times (your words) by taking suitable photographs – or perhaps you could not be bothered.
TimJon. Your later posts degenerate into sesquipedalian statements of your academic rigour and have nothing to do with eliciting information. If you wish me to list your many typographical and grammatical errors in your posts I will be happy to do so.
Meanwhile should you decide to retire to academia may I assist you to improve your written communication skills? The following tips given to students may be useful to you.
TIPS TO IMPROVE WRITING
Tips to Improve Writing Skills
1. Begin by brainstorming all possible things you want to say about your topic.
2. Write a simple outline. This will help organize your thoughts. You may not feel that you have time, but taking 5 minutes to organize your thoughts is a good investment in time.
3. Don’t use words you don’t understand.
4. Get to the point. Using more words than you need is a waste of your time and your professor’s time.
5. Keep it simple – If you don’t understand what you have written, how can you expect your professor to understand?
6. Explain who, what, why, when and where using the most direct language possible.
7. Use Spell Check. Double-check your writing for common spelling and punctuation errors.
8. Stop writing, occasionally, and read it out loud. Read it to a partner. Many writing errors can be corrected simply by reading your work out loud.
9. Edit your writing. Add words that bring more meaning to what you have written. Delete words that do not add meaning.
10. The most important thing you can do to improve your writing is to practice, practice, and practice.
If you think these tips look familiar, you would be right.
Source: The Writing Centre, Nizwa University, Sultanate of Oman.
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We don't see words like sesquipedalian often enough on CBF.
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Can't think why .
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Stan,
I take your point. In mitigation I can only say that I was enjoying a reather nice bottle of red wine which is something I cannot do in Oman. Mayhaps a bit too much?
Anyway, I cannot agree with your saying that I am being sesquipedalian. Though I have no doubt though you will trawl through all my previous posts to find examples of my using long, multi-syllabled words but then again I try not to use the "---" symbols either.
TJ :) :)
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Nice of you to pick up on that Keith :)
I am sure somebody will look it up, and provide the clue as to the exact meaning.
Now, here is the twist.
Will the first absolutely exact answer in modern parlance come from (a) any of the respondents to the original post other than the originator or (b) the apparently academically gifted originator himself?
I will gift 50tl to Bozalan school project in the name of the person who gives the correct answer in modern parlance. My bet is not on an Academic!
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It is quite disturbing that an example of sesquipedalian is in fact sesquipedalian.
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TJ , I didn't use that word ,as I haven't a clue what it means ! and no I will not trawl through your other posts either.
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That bloke Horace has a lot to answer for...
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Wimp ?
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Farmer,
From the Oxford Dictionary:
sesquipedalian Pronunciation: /ˌsɛskwɪpɪˈdeɪlɪən/
Definition of sesquipedalian
adjective
formal
(of a word) polysyllabic; long: sesquipedalian surnames
characterized by long words; long-winded: the sesquipedalian prose of scientific journals
Origin:
mid 17th century: from Latin sesquipedalis 'a foot and a half long', from sesqui- (see sesqui-) + pes, ped-'foot'
Scunner wrote: "It is quite disturbing that an example of sesquipedalian is in fact sesquipedalian." How correct. ;D
TJ :) :)
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Well done. Now that you've mastered "copy & paste" I'm sure you're going to have a whale of a time.
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KKOB,
Having to C&P constantly when replying to students with samples of their mistakes especially when they attemp to write their Projects in English, one gets used to doing it.
TJ :)
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Oh, one does, does one ? How splendidly spiffing. ;)
It's a good job we're not picky about spelling on here then, 'cos we'd be forever C&P-ing your work. : :)
(Stan. Ta Dah ! )
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Awfully sorry KKOB ,but one has forgotten to put an "l" in splendidly, an easy mistake for one to make. ;)
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;Dhttp://www.scribd.com/doc/20982658/How-To-Cook-a-Peacock-Medieval-Recipes-from-the-French-Court
When all else fails - moving on I think.....
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Well, all this chat has been very interesting (if not too academically challenging ;).) However nobody has answered my original question as to whether or not is it ok to have those large birds kept in a small cage?
TJ :) :)
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Ah, you have never been clubbing in Romford then TJ .
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Or indeed; Hyperbole & a half see here: http://hyperboleandahalf.blogspot.co.uk/2010/06/this-is-why-ill-never-be-adult.html
Colloquially known as 'Boll*cks' From Latin roots 'Hyperbole' 'Hyperbolic-ally' - 'bolic-ally' = 'Boll*cks' ie: 'Talking, Load of' :angel:
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Nearly there TimJon!
However for an academic you did not read my post in its entirety. I asked for a definition in modern parlance.
Which means you should have substituted 16 and a half inches long for a foot and a half, the latin ped referring to the Roman measure of a foot, which was only 11 inches long.
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Well, all this chat has been very interesting (if not too academically challenging ;).) However nobody has answered my original question as to whether or not is it ok to have those large birds kept in a small cage?
TJ :) :)
The answer's the same as it was 5 pages ago, yes. Now, shall we move on to something less interesting? : :)
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KKOB,
I beg to differ old chap, I have not, as yet, seen any attempt to answer my question more my than a comment from Jacqui Harvey that says she believes that peacocks should not be caged. Has nobody an informed opinion?
That is all I now ask.
TJ :) :)
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I have no opinion on the peacocks, and the caging thereof.
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Obviously we don't have a peacock expert on the forum or they would have replied :D ;D ;)
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(http://calis-beach.co.uk/peacock.gif)
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I'll have the tail feathers if anyone finds them - they make great fishing floats for long distance!!
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Nobody complained about Mrs Slocombes, pussy being caged. ;) :) :)
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(http://i163.photobucket.com/albums/t301/KayaKoyuWalker/Forum%20Images/homer_simpson_doh_02.gif)
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So, Jac
KKOB,
I beg to differ old chap, I have not, as yet, seen any attempt to answer my question more my than a comment from Jacqui Harvey that says she believes that peacocks should not be caged. Has nobody an informed opinion?
That is all I now ask.
TJ :) :)
So, Jacqui says no, and I say yes.
Would you like to phone a friend ?
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What a brilliant topic!
Why not just put them [the peafowl] in larger cages?
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Yes George, go ahead and do that then !
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Are you being served?
Hmm, funny. However here is relevant information: (you will please note that I never, ever quote any Wiki, the reason? The views expressed in such websites are personal and cannot be considered safe. I quote:
"7. When introducing peafowl to an area don’t let them out right away or they will
disappear down the road! The best way to acclimatise them is to pen them where
they can see the area where they'll be living. After they've been penned for a
minimum of 6 weeks or longer if it is a peacock with a full tail, let the hen out
before the cock bird, as the hens are more social and will stay around the birds
that are still penned up."
www.southglos.gov.uk/NR/rdonlyres/A9D5F212.../COS070025.pdf
Now, those birds have been there way more than six weeks, longer than six months, in my opinion way more than this august body would recommend.
Farmer, I will produce a photograph within the next few days and anyone who wants to can decide and comment( if interested) about their living conditions.
TJ
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Sorry to say it TimJon ;D but you have succeeded in making the topic very boring :o, move on to something interesting like--- how quick do your toenails grow when your in Oman?
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O.K. Last word from me as I seem to be the only one who has kept Peacocks.
We kept ducks, geese, chickens and peacocks for quite a long period of time. We got the peacocks from a Gamekeeper who brought them down from the Highlands. He told us to keep them in for a couple of weeks so they could be familiarised with their new home. We kept them in an old stable with a high roof and the birds roosted in the rafters. After a couple of weeks we let them out, we did leave the door open for them to come back and roost and they did use it initially in the evenings.
The general pattern was they roamed around most of the day and came up to the house at set periods of time and we fed them. Most evenings they would roost in the trees or sometimes on the roof of the steadings. They were never caged and always came back to us. I became friendly with the local Farmer who bred and sold peacocks. He had a lot of land and kept quite a few birds. None of his birds where caged. He gave me a lot of advice about the birds but at no time did he tell me to cage them for any reason whatsoever. The peacock likes to display to the pea hens and it would not be possible for him to do this in a cage. I don't like any birds to be caged. They should be free to fly and roam around as they do in nature. None of my birds, chickens, ducks geese where caged and none had their wings clipped. ;)
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The peacock likes to display to the pea hens and it would not be possible for him to do this in a cage.
(http://calis-beach.co.uk/peacock2.jpg)
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Yes, I remember a customer sending me this joke after he and his wife had been up feeding the birds and where watching Percy displaying to the females. Incidentally, Percy also liked to display to human females too!! ;D :o
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Whatever, ??? ??? I will continue in own way.
TJ : :) : :) : :)
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Good good, as this has definitely run it's course. Days ago.