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Information and Services in Turkey Section => Health & Healthcare => Topic started by: lindacarl on April 10, 2007, 18:01:56 PM
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Just wondered if anyone else was still trying the Manuca Honey for acid reflux & ulcers?
Thought I'd update you all on my WONDERFUL progress with the Manuca.
Started taking on the 22nd February - about 7 weeks ago. Initially I was cutting down on the Omeprazole (which previously I'd only been able to leave off for a max. of 36hrs without acid coming up). I took my last Omeprazole on 2nd March - I really wish I hadn't taken it as it seemed to help produce more acid.
For 1st 3 weeks I took Manuca 3 times a day, about a teaspoonful on a piece of toast. For the following 3 weeks I probably only took twice a day, 3 times if I felt a bit acidy. I'm now down to once or twice a day only as I'm also trying to tske Marmite to help me with those pesky mossies - they love me!
I've had NO acid reflux symptoms whatsoever for at least a month & believe me I was really bad prior to taking the Manuca, if I had forgotten to take the Omeprazole previously I'd really know it within a very short time. I don't need to elaborate for any of you that have this problem.
I've bought a few jars to take out to Turkey with me & will continue taking 1-2 teaspoons for 3 months as everything I've researched has suggested.
I KNOW I'm off the proton inhibitors for good already. Just wondering how anyone else is getting on?
Linda
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interesting topic linda, what about the marmite do you out it on or eat it, I have mentioned it before, get yourself some expedition 50, it works honest, dont be tempted to buy the 100 as its far too strong, even for calis,
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Expedition 50 & 100 does absolutely nothing for me I'm afraid. I've tried just about everything for mossies in the last 30yrs. My blood is too sweet for them which is why eating marmite seems to help. I'd only spread it on if I needed some fake tan.
Can we keep this to Manuca please as we've had numerous posts about Mossies in the past?
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you mentioned marmite in your previous post, i only responded, but good luck anyway.
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I bought the manuca but it didn't work for me. I have taken it a couple of times before bed if I had something spicy to eat and had a bit of indigestion. It has worked at that time. Two teaspoonfuls straight does the trick.
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Heather - sorry to hear that. Were you taking a good teaspoonful at least 3 times every day? How long did you try it for as it's not a really quick fix? In the beginning I probably took more than 3 tsps a day as I took when I felt the acidity coming on. After 2 weeks I was down to a max. of 3 tsps a day unless I ate something I knew I shouldn't. Initially I was getting through a jar every 4-5 days but that quickly went down after 2-3 jars to 1 jar a week & now I'm using about 1 jar a fortnight.
A friend of mine has also been trying it & she's experienced the same as me. The 1st 2 weeks are the worst as you feel sometimes as if you're getting acidic but if you take an extra spoonful it never materialises into anything bad. Very occassionally now I get a slightly acidic feeling - but it is VERY slight & it's usually because I've forgotten to take any Manuca - a spoonful & it does go fairly quickly. I find the Manuca MUCH quicker than the Omeprazole ever was in stopping the symptoms. I can't believe sometimes that it's taken away all that awful pain, acid regurgitation etc, so quickly.
Laffa - sorry if I offended you - didn't mean to, it's just we've had so many threads on mossies & didn't want this turning into another - my fault for mentioning the marmite.
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I am forgetful with medication. If I don't take omeprazole before eating it doesn't work. If I don't take it, my stomach reminds me within hours.
I was the same with the honey It didn,t work after I had eaten and I kept forgetting to take it at the right time. It is still easier to remember to take one pill than carry honey with me wherever I go.
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I bought the product because I prefer not to take prescribed drugs if I can find an alternative remedy.Like Heather,I often forget to take medication.I know the feeling too, when you wake up at night with a throat and mouth full of acid.Yuk.The Manuca has helped,but when you have an acid free period,people tend to think that they are cured and stop taking it.Myself that is[:o)]
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I have been trying but, to be honest, I haven't taken the honey regularly enough. I feel that I would immediately have problems if I knocked the Omeprazole off. Sue works at Tesco and has found that as well as the Manuca Honey sold from the shelves with the other jams and preserves they actually sell one at the pharmacy which is called Medhoney. It is also marked "active 10+" so it shoud be the same as the other. Also I think it is the same price.
Ken
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Yea, I know I need to find something else for forgetfulness - I'm the same. I thought it was supposed to be 'with age comes wisdom'? Folic acid is supposed to be good for forgetfulness so I'll eat plenty of spinach in Turkey.
I have toast in the morning so I've gotten out of the habit of using butter & just use honey now. You do need to take Manuca for 3 months to get rid of the H Pylori. I don't know whether I'm wrong cutting it down to 1-2 times a day but it does work for me. If I ever need more I will take it but I've never woken up with acid in my mouth since I took the last Omeprazole. I'm very happy with my progress as just before I started taking I came down with Bursitus in my right hip, hip problems are awful & I don't want bad hip problems later. I'm down for physiotherapy the day after I come back from Turkey.
I'm going to be like Pooh bear & eat honey. As an incentive to myself to take I ordered 6 from Tesco home delivery service after I'd gone to my local & they were out (I knew I shouldn't have told my doc. about it before I'd finished with it!) It's expensive so I'm not going to let it go to waste. I also enjoy it.
Keep taking the honey & hopefully we'll all be acid free soon.
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Ken you might be surprised especially if you've been having a teaspoonful or 2 a day for a while. It's the 1st 2 weeks that are definitely the worst BUT although sometimes it felt as though I was starting to get acid up a teaspoonful of Manuca got rid of that feeling within a few minutes.
Maybe I'm also a bit more positive that it will work as we swear by Tea Tree Oil & Bee Propalis & won't travel anywhere without our emergency kit. After suffering for 30+ years with really gross septic throats (when often I got worried that my throat was completely closed) at least 3-4 times a year & being free totally of them for the last 9 yesrs (Bless that lovely lady who informed me of the above 2 products!) I know that Manuca contains both of my favourite remarkable remedies.
Get the Manuca in & REALLY try it. The friend who's trying & also getting great results we also told about Bee Propalis & Tea Tree as she had the same problem with her throat so she was a convert to these products before me finding the Manuca. Have a bit more faith & you'll all succeed.
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My hubby suffers really bad with indigestion and heartburn and we think Effes, Marmite and bread are the culprits - all yeast based. He's never taken medication except the odd bottle of Gaviscon but it has become so bad has decided to give up the three things he loves best which has really helped.
When he does get heartburn he takes ordinary honey as we can't get Manuca out here (unless someone knows different). This does relieve it but I imagine from all the comments that Manuca would work much better.
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As with so many things it works for some. So is part or all of it a question of mind over matter.......if you believe it does? :)
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Manuca been clinically trialled & it does kill H. Pylori. However it's not a short term fix as to kill all the H Pylori it has to be taken for 3-4 months. You'll notice a vast difference in 2 weeks but it has to be continued to gain the full benefit. The beauty of Manuca is that it is honey produced from a form of Tea Tree - Tea Tree is a wonderful antibiotic but normally can't be taken internally however the honey can so you're getting the benefits of Tea Tree + Bee Propalis in 1 product.
Christie Hospital (the Cancer hospital) are trialling it now on people with throat cancer & on people with MRSA (on bandages) - with (so our doc says) pretty amazing results so far.
I really don't think it's mind over matter. You have no idea how bad I was even on the Omeprazole. Forget to take that & I'd soon know it. I think it's more a case of if you use it regularly enough you will be cured. As I already know how beneficial Bee Propalis & Tea Tree are then maybe I was a trifle more diligent about taking? As has been my friend who also had found the benefit of these.
As the Proton Inhibitors usually prescribed for bad cases of acid reflux & ulcers, have now been found to create a greater chance of hip problems (And they haven't been around that long) then I'm erring on the side of caution & trying to get off the things. I am off them.
From what I've researched (& I did quite a bit) IF you take regularly for 3-4months you'll be cured BUT you do have to take regularly. That's why I posted about it on here.
I was really excited when I came across it as working in the alternative health field I knew that this was likely to be a really wonderful product.
I'd offer to bring some more over with me but the cases are packed & we're just tipping over 20kg in each. You can buy it on the web, from New Zealand OR the UK - although the best price I've seen is 10+ Active from Tesco BUT if you get from N. Zealand you can get 20+ active - at a price!
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Tisserand also do a teatree & manuka cream which seems to heal most any skin problem - my magic pot, won't go anywhere without it. Find I am always giving pots away when people 'borrow' it n realise how great it is. Even seems to work on animals as a friends cat had spent months with a bad wound which just would not heal despite everything that she and the vet tried.. left her my pot and sure enough one happy cat! I usually get mine in waitrose.
The turks also have a local remedy for bad throats chest infections etc, made from the sap of what i believe is the gunluk tree mixed with honey - it works and has a definite tcp smell!
As a side note there are also some interesting studies in the effectiveness of manuka honey as a cure for leg ulcers.
As we seem to be discussing 'alternative medicines' does anyone have any other turkish local remedies (other than raki!)
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My magic pot for skin problems is Pawpaw ointment from Australia - also supposed to cure leg ulcers AND apparently a wonderful cure for really bad bed sores - useful to know if you have elderly bedridden parents or friends. Wonderful on nappy rash, much better than the normal 'baby' products also great for really bad chaffings - the redness, whealing & soreness disappear overnight.
I'll look out for the tea tree & manuka cream. Had tea tree, propalis & aloe mixture which is good but the Pawpaw we found is better. With Manuca though it may well be unbeatable.
What is the Turkish remedy called?
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Hi Linda
A friend suffers from acid reflux, and would to try this remendy
can you please tell me where one can buy this honey
Thanks Tony
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I think Linda has gone on holiday today.
However manuka honey can be bought in Tesco. I got it from the jam and preserves department
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Thank you Heather
Tony
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Tony they also do it at Sainsbury's. I think most supermarkets stock it in their jam/honey section.
I also heard that locally produced honey lessens the effects of hay fever. When we lived in Germany I was taking a local honey regularly (before I heard about effects on hay fever) and only realised when we left that I had'nt had any major hay fever problems in that period.
Linda, I had the same problem as you, with my throat closing up occasionally. It scared the life out of me and saw all sorts of specialists trying to find out what the problem was. They did all the usual tests for throat and tongue cancer (could'nt talk for a week after the tongue biopsy much to delight of hubby!)
In the end they told me it was due to the gastric reflux (which I've suffered with for years) and that the acid from this was burning out the lining of my throat. Did you get the same diagnosis or is it unrelated? Has anyone else experienced similar?
I've recently stopped drinking and this has really helped with the gastric reflux but I will try the Manuka honey now as it sounds like that will work! Thanks for the tip Linda
Julie
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Jules - my throat probs. were unrelated. I suffered from the age of 13 with really bad septic throats - before they started I used to have a great singing voice, entering all the eisteddfods & always coming in the top 3 - the septic throats put an end to any singing career I could have had.
30+ yrs I suffered 2-4 times a year with horrendous throats until a wonderful lady told me about Bee Propalis. I already used Tea Tree but the bee propalis + Tea tree solved my throat problems completely. That was about 10yrs ago & I haven't had a septic throat since.
My gastric reflux started just 2 yrs ago but I've kept on with the Manuca, although I often forget now to take it I do try & take at least once a day. I know i have missed a couple of days here & there but the reflux hasn't come back. I'd say I'm using a jar about every 3 weeks now. If I know I've missed a couple of days I'll take 2 tsps the following day.
I do occasionally still feel as if I could become acidic but a teaspoon takes it away totally & I only feel acidic if I know I've missed taking for 2 days. Taking just 1tsp now a day I get no symptoms whatsoever.
Start with 3 tsp for at least the 1st 2 weeks & remember to take regularly & you'll probably find like me you can gradually reduce it - but keep taking for 3-4 months to kill all the H. Pylori.
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Thanks for that Linda. Was good to have a natter with you last night in the chat room.
Julie
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Hi does it have to be Manuka 10+ or can i take a double dose of 5+?Thats all i could buy at the time.
suz
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I've never seen 5+ It's better than nothing. Sainsburys now are the cheapest for Manuka 10+ @ £5.99 a 340gm jar. Tescos are £9.99 now for the same. I sent off for an order online when it was never in my local.
I think I'd be tempted to use a little bit more regularly if it was 5+ (hopefully you paid less for the 5+). Have a little on some toast 20-30mins before your meals.
Over a year on & I've had no problems since. I do always keep a jar, just in case BUT it's such a relief that it appears to be gone for good. If it does start to come back it'll be manuka for me - not taking any more prescription meds than I really need to.
Been using Manuka on some pretty deep cuts on Carls' leg (from gardening in Turkey) that really seemed to be inflamed & getting infected. IF he used it daily I know they'd be gone by now BUT it has taken away a lot of the very bad inflammation quickly. He's only used it twice - MEN!!!
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Linda - I have been taking Omeprazole for 15 years. Like others if I have just one spoonful of my morning cereal - and forget to take the Omeprazole - I have severe burning throughout the day.
Are you saying this really could cure this?
We do have a bowl of cereal and one piece of toast with honey on for breakfast each morning so can I treat that as my first spoonful?
Then is it just 2 neat teaspoons say early evening and last thing?
Do I stop the Omeprazole immediately and just hope the burning gets easier over time or do I run them both concurrently?
I must admit I don't like taking any tablets and although this is the only one I take I know my system has become dependent on it!
Ian
Ps I am also amazed that in such a small(ish) community there are so many people taking this drug! :)
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Ian - I'm cured & so are many others just by taking Manuka.
My doctor, after my experience & researching now tells people to try Manuka before prescribing.
It's NOT a quick cure - it will take 3-4 months to get rid of the H. Pylori altogether BUT if you take regularly it does work.
They recommend taking 1 teaspoon on toast or bread 20 minutes before eating - 3 times a day. Take a bit more often if you start feeling acidic - sometimes a stressful day OR eating/drinking something you know you shouldn't brings on more acid.
In MY experience I took regularly for the 1st 2-3 weeks - see my other posts on it - then I cut it down slightly. I went off the Omeprazole after about a week taking Manuka from memory. I remember being slightly acidic after about 10 days & taking another Omeprazole - I really wished I hadn't as it seemed to bring on the acidic feeling - never took another one from that day onward!
Ian - I'd try it - it ain't going to harm you. Just put in a search on web for "Manuka acid reflux or peptic ulcer" - there is bags of evidence to show it works.
I'm SOOOOO glad I found it - no more burning, no more waking up with acid in my mouth. I was suffering really badly before I found Manuka honey. I've had an open jar for the last year - so you don't need to take forever. However once you have seen what it can do - you'll never be without a jar or 2 - just in case!
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Linda - many thanks - I will give it a go.
I have wondered how would we get over my omeprazole problem when we start to spend 6 months in Turkey so this might be the answer.
I am also a firm believer that in years to come mankind will realise that many modern ailments are man made and most cures are naturally available to us - without getting to deep - self inflicted sums up an awful lot of our modern day illnesses.
I won't go too deeply into this but I used one of the earliest mobile phones during the late 80's early 90's and my phone bills show an average of about 2 hours per day as I was on the road and my business was growing rapidly!
I now suffer very bad pain if I hold a phone to my face (particularly hands free phones) for more than 30 seconds. I tried to get my case put forward to a Professor who was doing research on behalf of the government but just got a "fobbed off" response.
I am equally confident that I have got something wrong internally that will surface in later life - but the mobile phone lobby is too strong for governments to deal with the dangers caused by masts / mobiles etc.
Anyway enough of my Sunday morning rant - thanks for your advice.
Ian :)
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:)Hiya Ian, hope married life is going good,
I asked Linda about the manuka for my sister, who has just finished a course of radiation and has some quite severe burning, you can even put it on that,will let you know on that one,she only started 2 days ago,she has also orded the paw paw ointment, thanks to linda, I have even ordered some. I am wondering if this would be effective for psorisis, as one of my family have got it,(worth a try)and just to thank Linda for taking the time for educating us on something she believes in,
By the way Ian as for the phone problem, you should have stuck to pressing button B. ;)
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Laffa - married life is good although I have not yet had breakfast in bed which was one of my requirements!
The Turkish wedding ceremony doesn't mention obey - so Gill keeps reminding me of this point - me being old fashioned I just think it is taken for granted!
Thanks to Linda for highlighting the "honey" and I will definitely give it a go!
Ian :)
Ps Too young to remember button B - you must tell us all about it some time ;)
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Laffa - the Zulus use banana skin for psoriasis. Rub the inside of a banana skin on the psoriasis. I know someone came out with an ointment made from banana skins & coal tar. It's supposed to work in 40-50% of cases I believe. Might be worth a try?
Didn't you get your money back by pressing button B - I think you had to press A to talk??
Ian - best not to get me started on mobile phones. I hate the things & worry that children use them when their skulls are far thinner than ours. Who knows what damage we're causing future generations? The worst phones for EMF damage we now recycle to third world countries.
We used to distribute 'Cell Plus' a British invention that blocked the EMF transmissions - seems like they aren't available now - too many people think because you can't see it, it doesn't exist! £10 was too expensive to safeguard their & their childrens health. You are not alone in having problems. Some people told us before they put this on their phones they felt like their brains were frying.
Linda (mine of useful & useless information!)
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A very interesting topic, it seems that there a quite a few people who suffer with the problem of acid reflux. I also suffer from this condition (told by my GP that it was "age related" ) and had been on Omeprazole for over 12 months BUT after a couple of bouts of very bad food poisoning (once while on a visit to Calis) I decided to stop taking Omeprazole, after it was pointed out to me (off the record from a friend who is a doctor) that this medication stops the build up of acid in the gut to such an extent that it cannot "kill" the bad bacteria that can thrive in the stomach and even food which is a little bit dodgy can trigger a very bad bout of the "trots" or worse food poisoning.
I have taken other forms of treatment to lower the chances of an attack of acid reflux as well as changing my diet (no more hot spicy curries, etc) but none seems to really provide a long term answer to this problem. I will certainly give this honey a chance to do its magic!!!!
Thanks for the tip and who knows I may be able to enjoy a curry again soon!!
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Linda - been taking for just over a week now - as prescribed - 3 times a day - remembered to take 3 times on most days and I must admit I do feel it is beginning to make a "small" difference!
Lets wait and see what happens after a month. :)
PS also got my mobile phone shield - you are like my personal physician!!!! :D
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so what is a mobile phone shield ian?
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Linda, i had an doscopy 2 weeks ago and the specialist said there was no bug, also, i have never suffered with acid, the cause of my ulcer was through taking aspirin, it burnt the lining off my stomach. Alan
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Yes Alan - you explained that on a different thread. I don't know what would help you - sorry!
Ian - the trick is to keep taking regularly & if you start feeling acidic then take a little more. I think in a month you'll be amazed at the difference - I was!
I went through hell with the acid reflux. Thankfully those dreadful days are way behind me now but I remember how miserable/uncomfortable it made me feel. I was even advised by a specialist to put the head of the bed up on 6" bricks/blocks to enable me to sleep - bloody crazy - when you realise that there is a CURE out there that they SHOULD know about!! Don't these 'specialists' read up on their speciality OR do they think they'll be considered 'Quacks' if they suggest a simple natural remedy that has been WELL documented to cure people? Then again - being VERY sceptical - they might upset the cash rich pharmaceuticals if sales of their expensive drugs stopped!
I hope the phone shield was very similar to the ones we sold - a very, very fine mesh. The ones we sold - 'Cell Plus' took out 99% or more of the EMF radiation. The one I saw on ebay looked VERY similar to me - did it have all the scientific proof in the folder inside with the website? If it did if you send the link to me I'll see if it is the same. If it is maybe you can give Doll the ebay link if she needs it? Phones are better shielded nowadays than they were BUT adding one of these doesn't affect phone use & is an added protection. Have you noticed any difference making a call?
Personal physician PMSL. Just scratching the surface at the moment LOL. If I told you what our 'wonder machine' MIGHT be capable of once we learn how to use it properly (3 years & still learning) you'd fall off your chair.:D: :):D
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Doll - sorry not been on for a few days to respond to yuor question.
I bemoaned the fact I had a history of severe pain from mobile / hands free phones down one side of my face after speaking for over 1 minute - after 3 minutes (ish) it became unbearable and I had to end the call!
Linda sent me a link on ebay for a shield (as described above in her post) and for £1.99 + £1.50p&p is sounded a good investment.
Will give an update after a few weeks - hoping it will work :)
Ian
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My cousin has a bad leg ulcer/absess - I have told him to try the honey - how do you use it?
Do you put the honey on & then bandage it up?
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Yes Lorraine - change it once or twice a day. It's VERY sticky & you need a good pad over it to stop it coming through. Ultra towels we've found super instead of lint! Another great one for leg ulcers is Pawpaw ointment - although I've had to buy from Australia - we won't travel without that either. It's wonderful on chaffings.