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Offline kevin3

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« on: May 13, 2016, 10:49:37 AM »
 I watched a news item this week regarding a businessman in Scotland. He was being asked for his views on the in-out debate.

 He has a factory producing Smoked Salmon and he was recently ordered by the EU to replace his existing packaging with a new

  design to include a warning notice to read  " Warning. This product may contain fish " This exercise of interference by

  un elected prats in Brussels, who's wages are paid for by you and I, cost that businessman approx' £ 35,000. Guess which way

  he will vote. It now appears they are about to tell us which Kettles we can and cannot use.  And next---------??

 



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« Reply #1 on: May 13, 2016, 11:20:19 AM »
Yes, Kevin, I heard that the kettle decision was being held back until after 23rd June. I have a new boxed 3kw kettle in reserve ready!  What a load of nonsense - it will cost the same to heat a lower kw kettle to boiling point as it does a 3kw one, will just take longer! >:(

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« Reply #2 on: May 13, 2016, 11:29:29 AM »
You'd better pay for that kettle now because, if the IMF is right, you won't be able to afford one if we vote Brexit.

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« Reply #3 on: May 13, 2016, 12:55:59 PM »


  And I bet you still believe in the tooth fairy Colwyn.

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« Reply #4 on: May 13, 2016, 12:57:58 PM »
It's ok Colwyn, I bought it in a Co-op sale about a month ago, a very well known and expensive make, for £25! Bargain. Thought I would get in before they are taken off the shelves like the vacuum cleaners. (Got one of those tucked away in reserve also).  ;)

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« Reply #5 on: May 13, 2016, 13:05:43 PM »


  And all because of some interfering little gits in Brussels.

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« Reply #6 on: May 13, 2016, 13:15:01 PM »
  And I bet you still believe in the tooth fairy Colwyn.
Tooth Fairy? Is that Nigel Farage? At least he had enough sense to see that there would be an economic cost to leaving but thought it was worth it to gain "political independence". Really, in a globalized world???.

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« Reply #7 on: May 13, 2016, 16:08:43 PM »
Colwyn you've joined the EU Choir of Fear.  Where everything we see, pay for or do will be that much worse if we were to leave the EU.  When will the remain supporters of the EU come up with a set of positive reasons why we should remain, rather than trying to frighten the life out of everyone.  Then perhaps we could have a proper debate, as to the real benefits and disbenefits from being in or out.

Using the IMF's justification for staying in the EU.  Particularly given their record across the globe, including ourselves as the EEC based UK and of course most recently in Greece. I always thought us class war warriors knew all about the IMF and its poor record of economic analysis and the only solutions that it ever advocates only suit international capital, rather than working people.  I know I'm on the side of the angels where the IMF is concerned, so forgive me for not taking any notice of its 'siren voice' on the UK and that other bosses club, the EU.

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« Reply #8 on: May 13, 2016, 16:24:48 PM »
Ah yes, anyone who points out the obvious economic risks of leaving is part of Project Fear. Is Farage included in that list or is OK for him to point it out?


Oh, you added another paragraph after I replied. What is your problem with the IMF in Greece? It was the IMF who told Germany and France (and their banks) to "forgive" 50% of their debt as that was the only way that the country could recover and actually make a sesious dent in their deficit. As to the positives - retain tariff-free access to 440 million non-British customers in one of the biggest markets in the world which constitutes 45% of our total exports. Membership of of a powerful international political block which virtually all of our non-EU allies want us to remain within. Our citizens covered by an effective human rights regime; our consumers gaining from EU protection against exploitation; and our workforce covered by Social Chapter provisions. Most of this legislation was opposed by the London Government - that have had other interests at the top of their successive priorities. For further positive information see Labour Movement literature.
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« Reply #9 on: May 13, 2016, 16:35:31 PM »
One of the things we often here is that the Trades Unions are all in favour of staying in - particularly from Alan Johnson Chair of Labour In Campaign - well a number of successful unions are not in favour of remaining, and are campaigning to leave amongst their membership.  One of which is the RMT.  I thought it worthwhile setting out below the six reasons the RMT advocates exiting, and some comment from their GS.

1.    Leave the EU to end attacks on rail workers

New EU rail policies are set to further entrench rail privatisation and fragmentation. That will also mean more attacks or jobs and conditions and EU laws will make it impossible to bring all of rail back into public ownership. 

2.    Leave the EU to end attacks on seafarers and the offshore workers

The EU has promoted undercutting and social dumping leading to the decimation of UK seafarers. The same is now happening in the offshore sector. EU directives also require the tendering our public ferry services.

3.    Leave the EU to end attacks on workers’ rights

It’s a myth that the EU is in favour of workers. In fact the EU is developing a new policy framework to attack trade union rights, collective bargaining, job protections and wages. This is already being enforced in countries which have received EU “bailouts”.

4.    Leave the EU to end Austerity

If you join a union you expect members of the union to protect each other in times of trouble. The European Union has done the opposite. It has used the economic crisis to impose austerity and privatization on member states. Instead of protecting jobs and investment EU austerity is driving UK austerity.   

5.    Leave the EU to stop the attack on our NHS

The Transatlantic Trade and Investment Partnership (TTIP) trade agreement being negotiated between the EU and the United States will promote big business at the expense government protections and organisations including our NHS! Environmental regulations, employment rights, food safety, privacy laws and many other safeguards will also be secondary to the right of corporations to make even bigger profits. 

6.    Leave the EU to support democracy

The vast majority of the laws that affects our lives are now made in the EU and not the UK. We have no say over those Laws. As the late Tony Benn said in 1991…

“We are discussing whether the British people are to be allowed to elect those who make the laws under which they are governed. The argument is nothing to do with whether we should get more maternity leave from Madame Papandreou [a European Commissioner].”


RMT will be promoting the six key points direct to members across all sectors of the transport industry through the union’s RMT NEWS, through branches and reps and through the union’s social media platforms.

 RMT General Secretary Mick Cash said:

“RMT is proud to stand up for the tradition of progressive and socialist opposition to the European Union, an organisation wedded to privatisation, austerity and attacking democracy.

“It would be frankly ludicrous for a union like ours to support staying in a bosses club that seeks to ban the public ownership of our railways, attacks the shipping and offshore sectors and embraces the privatisation of the NHS and other essential services that our members depend on.

“RMT has set out the six core reasons for our members to vote to leave and we will be campaigning hard on this platform.”




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