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General Topics => The Debating Chamber => Topic started by: Highlander on January 27, 2015, 22:42:24 PM

Title: £ 616,850 per bed
Post by: Highlander on January 27, 2015, 22:42:24 PM
The new South Glasgow University Hospital has today been handed over by the builders and is presumably a fantastic new facility.

But at a time when NHS budgets are under stress does the cost of £ 842 m represent value for money.
Title: Re: £ 616,850 per bed
Post by: Jacqui Harvey on January 27, 2015, 23:01:43 PM
Cameron announced today that the British Government will put 50 million pounds toward the building of a striking memorial for the Holocaust which happened 70 years ago.
So, I wonder do people in Britain think that spending 50 million on a memorial is a good idea when the NHS is in such a mess?
Title: Re: £ 616,850 per bed
Post by: bewva on January 27, 2015, 23:14:28 PM
I would much rather the £50m goes on the NHS.
Title: Re: £ 616,850 per bed
Post by: JohnF on January 28, 2015, 01:31:09 AM
The new South Glasgow University Hospital has today been handed over by the builders and is presumably a fantastic new facility.
It is - it rivals similar facilities in countries where the healthcare is privately funded.

But at a time when NHS budgets are under stress does the cost of £ 842 m represent value for money.
Yes.

JF
Title: Re: £ 616,850 per bed
Post by: Eric on January 28, 2015, 10:49:01 AM
£50m on a memorial is ridiculous.  The holocaust should never be forgotten but I am sure a suitable memorial can be erected for a fraction of that cost.  It is the event that should be remembered not the cost of honouring it.
Title: Re: £ 616,850 per bed
Post by: davybill on January 28, 2015, 14:29:05 PM
Governments have been getting their priorities wrong for years
Title: Re: £ 616,850 per bed
Post by: kevin3 on January 28, 2015, 15:26:47 PM
There is an abundance of Holocaust Memorials and if they are insistent on giving away
50 million pounds perhaps they could give it to the women and children that survived
last years Holocaust in Gaza.
Title: Re: £ 616,850 per bed
Post by: GordonA on January 28, 2015, 18:00:24 PM
There is an abundance of Holocaust Memorials and if they are insistent on giving away
50 million pounds perhaps they could give it to the women and children that survived
last years Holocaust in Gaza.
Well said Kevin.    I realise that the victims of the supposed " holocaust " were not all Jews, but Jews are the ones who refuse to "let it go ", and are the most venal tribe of people in the whole world, and also the richest individuals in the world are Jews . If they want a 50 million pound memorial, let them pay for it , not the greater British public. Mind you, Cameron has Jewish blood in his veins, so it comes as no surprise really, but , at a time when our fantastic National Health Service is struggling, to chuck tax-payers money at this insult to Christians and Gentiles alike, is an abomination.
Title: Re: £ 616,850 per bed
Post by: GordonA on January 28, 2015, 18:07:57 PM
Sorry " H " in answer to your original question ;; NO !!
Title: Re: £ 616,850 per bed
Post by: Colwyn on January 28, 2015, 18:10:51 PM
It is not just Jews who "won't let it go"; it is me as well - and many other non-Jews I am sure. As to whether we should spend £50 million on the memorial or the NHS - what a completely bogus comparison. What has one to do with the other? Why not ask whether we should be spending billions on HS2 or on the NHS; should we be spending billions on Trident or on the NHS; should we be spending money on filling in potholes or the NHS? Claptrap.
Title: Re: £ 616,850 per bed
Post by: Jacqui Harvey on January 29, 2015, 11:33:09 AM
I appreciate that our Government spends money on Trident and other things some of the public do not approve of, but these things are factored into the Government spending.
However, to conjure up 50 million pounds to commemorate the death of millions people 70 years ago in another country, when the living in our country are suffering would seem to me to be a slap in the face to us from the Government's austerity measures.
I see on T.V. and in the Press every day about people struggling with a partner who has alzheimer's and getting no help.   Elderly people who cannot afford heating or food. People who need drugs to prolong their lives being denied them, because there is no money.
So where did this 50 million come from?  I know the Government have emergency funds for disasters around the world and I can perfectly understand this and this money is well spend. The question is, do we really need a new Monument for the Holocaust? 
I would just add, I had,in the past, when I lived in Liverpool many Jewish friends and currently have Jewish friends, who are lovely people, this is nothing to do with being anti-semitic.  It is to do with common sense.
 

Title: Re: £ 616,850 per bed
Post by: Colwyn on January 29, 2015, 14:09:03 PM
No it wasn't "factored in" any more than the Hillsborough Inquiry was "factored in". Doesn't mean that both shouldn't be done because the money could have been spent on the NHS.
Title: Re: £ 616,850 per bed
Post by: Jacqui Harvey on January 29, 2015, 14:24:42 PM
The Hillsborough Enquiry was very necessary for people who died and were wrongly accused by a corrupt Police Force and terrible injustice was done.  Families had to suffer and fight for 25 years for the latest enquiry.
I strongly object to you comparing this to 50 million being spent on a monument for people who died 70 years ago.  There are plenty of reminders and monuments of the Holocaust. Personally, I don't think we need another one in England.
Title: Re: £ 616,850 per bed
Post by: GordonA on January 29, 2015, 18:34:42 PM
The Hillsborough Enquiry was very necessary for people who died and were wrongly accused by a corrupt Police Force and terrible injustice was done.  Families had to suffer and fight for 25 years for the latest enquiry.
I strongly object to you comparing this to 50 million being spent on a monument for people who died 70 years ago.  There are plenty of reminders and monuments of the Holocaust. Personally, I don't think we need another one in England.

Gaun yersel' Jacqui.                By the way everyone,  if my post has offended jews, or friends of jews, live with it, I will never apologise for my opinions, they are just that, mine !!
Title: Re: £ 616,850 per bed
Post by: scorcher on January 29, 2015, 20:24:29 PM
Always makes for an interesting landlord Gordon!   ;)