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General Topics => Other Sports (Not Football) => Topic started by: Highlander on October 11, 2014, 22:52:41 PM
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Ben Flower's should be charge with ABH for the act he committed at a rugby match this evening. No question !
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Good job it took place in a minority sport like rugby, so most people have not seen it.
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Beg to differ usedbustickets, it was on all the national news channels. It was a vile attack and I felt quite sick when I saw it.
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In which case Toky I apologise unreservedly for my comment about the incident...but not about the minority sport, which has always had a darker violent side.
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Agreed H. I have just watched it on Youtube, I know it is a very physical sport but that was just an act of violence.
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That's not John Terry just to the right of the referee is it ?
(http://s27.postimg.org/xqkju1ean/image.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/xqkju1ean/)
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Hitting a man who is lying defenceless on the ground. Despicable. How long a ban will he get I wonder.
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This is certainly criminal and the Police should deal with this not the sports officials
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He should not be allowed back on a pitch. Make an example of him.Coward.
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Good job it took place in a minority sport like rugby, so most people have not seen it.
Hey, watch it pal. ;D. Rugby league is definitely not a minority sport in our part of the world. The incident was one of the worst I've seen in 40 odd years of watchin the game. Sending him off is only the start, he will probably be looking at a minimum of 3 months ban. Along with boxing Rugby is one of the toughest sports a person can play, so there's no place for cowardly acts like this. >:(
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Have a look at this, nearly as bad but the commentary is absolutely brilliant. ;D ;D
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y3K312eIyrg
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my fella was disgusted at what he did
he as played rugby for years before he retired with a bad back
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I have no knowledge of the incident you are discussing really.
What I would like to know, from the intelligent members of CBF, is this. What particular part of British law is it that excludes football pitches and rugby grounds (to name just two) from the laws of the land?
We often hear "Had he done that in his local High Street he would have been charged" - but seriously and specifically, what law prevents that?
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Without necessarily passing the criteria for respondents, I don't know why the police at the ground did not take immediate action but presumably in due course the the "victim" would have to press charges.
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In Scotland there cannot be a law because Duncan Ferguson was charged after head butting a player (1994 - thanks to Google).
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Google made him do it?
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The only mitigation he would have in law is that of consent however that has been dealt with in the below case so he has not got a leg to stand on and should be prosecuted.The victim does not have to make a statement nor support the prosecution,there is ample evidence here to go with a victimless prosecution.
R v Billinghurst [1978] Crim LR 553
A rugby player punched another player during a match in an unprovoked attack. Whilst the defendant argued that punching was common place during rugby matches, it was outside the rules of the game and thus the victim could not be said to have consented to being punched.
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SteveA's post is a strong one and cites some case law. But "implied consent" is usually a factor in sporting cases. Boxing, for example, superficially would be appear totally illegal except that anyone getting into the ring is deemed to have consented to being punched by the opponent. In comparison with SteveA's case it could be said that punching is within the laws of boxing but I think some punches (e.g. after the ref has said "break", or "rabbit punching" the kidneys} are outside the rules but I don't remember anyone being taken to court for any of them. In football, several forms of tackle are ruled illegitimate but may not be illegal. Mostly however, I suspect that police and prosecutors are diffident about making interpretations about the legalities of contacts in what are clearly "contact sports" unless given firm guidance by the ruling bodies of those sports. Most sporting ruling bodies don't want to do that.
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Interesting CPS article
http://www.cps.gov.uk/news/articles/crossing_the_line_-_when_sport_becomes_a_crime_speech/
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Have a look at this, nearly as bad but the commentary is absolutely brilliant. ;D ;D
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y3K312eIyrg
Chris...I cawn't spake it's that diabolical! I don't think the commentator would be successful if he applied for a job with Sky Sports! He wasn't biased was he?
Seriously, the incident at the Grand Final was shocking and it brings our sport of Rugby League into disrepute. That sort of brutal, thuggish behaviour against a defenceless player has no place in any sport. In our part of the world we have played Rugby League in our younger days and now enjoy watching the modern game, but I was sickened when I saw what happened. Although I support Leigh Centurions and have the usual banter with Wiganers, I felt sorry for the Wigan players, supporters and officials who were let down by such disgraceful behaviour from one player.
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Having played Rugby League for 16 seasons in my younger days I would like to make a couple of points. First, RL is a physical contact sport, In my playing days the rules were a bit more vague and therefore the thugs got away with far more than they do now. Secondly RL is naturally a highly emotive sport and you can't go on to the pitch without being fired up for the battle ahead, you just wouldn't survive. Having said that the early tackles in the game were massive hits but all the players expect that, and nobody shirked taking the ball in. If you saw the replay of the build up to this incident the first contact between the two players was with Ben Flowers barging his way past Lance Hohaia as both chased a kick through. Lance Hohaia then chased Flowers and had obviously lost the plot, when he caught up with Flowers he attacked with his elbow and as Flowers got back on his feet Hohaia stood in front of him. I dont condone mindless violence but I know where Ben Flowers was at that moment in time. Both deserve to be punished for their part in a very unsavory incident, but the game turned into a fantastic game of Rugby League, and the best team won.