Calis Beach and Fethiye Turkey Discussion Forum
Suggestions and Problems => Questions About/Problems using the board? => Topic started by: Highlander on August 08, 2007, 11:08:16 AM
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The topic "Why are members stopped from arguing with each other" was started by Twin Bee 0n 07.08/2007 at 22:07 and was locked by Redding 43 on 08.08/2007 at 09:11 after contributions from 14 members.
That hardly seems to me a suitable length of time for other members to have had there say on an important issue. This feeling is obviously coloured by the fact that I was mentioned in one of the responses but did not have the opportunity to post my view.
May I suggest that a new Forum Rule "Locking topics" is add in an attempt to clarify the position.
Signed: Whoever it was
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Agreed Highlander.
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How do you make a ruleset on something so open ended? I thought that was why Moderators are used - it's a judgement thing rather than set in stone?
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Lock him up
8) ;)
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It may well be difficult Mavism, but surely there could be something along the lines of "a topic will be looked when, in the opinion of the Moderators/AdAdministratorsthe topic has:
1. developed into a private argument between two members
2. opinions are being expressed in an abusive manner
etc.
At least that way, members would have some guidelines to work to.
I think that people are unhappy at the moment because they feel that topics are being locked simply because a moderator/administrator, rather than the members, has decided that it should be and that there appears to be no appeal mechanism for the topic to be unlocked.
There is absolutely no doubt that the moderators have a very difficult job. I am equally sure that the choice of which members are made moderators is only taken after due consideration of that persons' ability to do the job. I think we should all put our trust in them in the first instance and express our concerns on the odd occasion when we feel they may have got it seriously wrong.
Whatever your views, on whatever topic, lets all try and keep it friendly and remember the first Forum Rule....
It is expected that all members show respect to others . :)
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I agree with most of what you say Highlander, I have on other forums entered in to a "discussion" and because of my passion for Turkiye and it's people that passion got the better of my rational thinking and the dolly the bedding even the feeding bottle went out of the pram, the mods as you say have a very difficult job and you cant please all of the members all of the time, at the end of the day we are all here because of one thing OUR LOVE OF TURKIYE AND IT'S PEOPLE. (sorry didn't mean to shout)
Amen :D
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My view is that forums work best with fewer rules. It is interesting when members ask for extra rules. It means they care about the community. Sadly far more wade in without even reading the rules, or even familiarising themselves with the way things work here. Recent dummy spitting from a new member who thought it unfair to alert her to the rule that asks members not to type in all capitals. Now, if it were me, I'd have noticed that none of the 120,000 other posts were in capitals before I added mine, and conclude that capitals was probably not the way to go.
I'm sorry, but Mavisim is correct, judgement from our moderator team will always keep the forum smoother than hundreds of rules.
Please appreciate that we didn't get this big by accident - we are a discussion forum for a tiny part of Turkey and most Turkey-wide forums can't match our member or post numbers. That is down to us running it well and fairly.
You can't have a set of rules for locking topics. Most members would not expect a Highlander post to be treated the same way as a post from a "new member", with no real name, an especially made up hotmail email address and a first post telling everyone what a git Scunner is ;)
We get to know members, their styles, humours (occasionally) and level of tact. Just let us deal with it as we see it, we haven't done CBF much harm to date.
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I had better cancel my hotmail account then.....
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Most members would not expect a Highlander post to be treated the same way as a post from a "new member", with no real name, an especially made up hotmail email address and a first post telling everyone what a git Scunner is ;)
Scunner - you haven't read my next one yet ;)
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Poor Tinkerman ;)
The first time he has locked a topic and it becomes a major debate.
I
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:)After trawling through all of the padlocks, to find another yet to be locked topic, any time now can I just say.
I am glad I have been absent for a short time, and yes. I do have a doctors note. ;)
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Im thinking of locking more topics, this is the busiest we have been for a long time:D
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Scunner - I promise not to bang on about this (even although by this post I am) but don't you think that the topic I referred to was locked too quickly and/or prematurely. (Nothing against the person who locked it by the way)
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The easiest way would be for ALL members to have Admin rights after 2 posts, then Keith can go and sell more properties without having to pander to forum and we can fire all the moderators :-))
Brill!
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:o anarchy within our ranks 8)
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The peasants are revolting:D
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If you go onto the 'locked topics' section you will see that there really aren't that many and that most of them are from threads on the 'bars reveiw' section turning into 'my fav waiter' etc.
I still think the current set up is the best option. You have to allow the mods to use their common sense and occasionally also allow them to get it wrong.
Censorship does not happen on here unless it's really required. Locked topics are not censored - they can still be seen in all their glory. Very few posts get deleted and certainly not without good reason.
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This is just all stirred up over a few posts.
I would rather draw peoples attention to this which benefits members much more. Please look at the YouTube video.
{A Link to an old CBF topic was here - no longer available}16808&Banner=8
Sorry, Mod/Admin Team but this is much more important.
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Speak for yourself tinkerman, I'm not revolting in the slightest! In fact, I think I'm rather gorgeous!!!
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The sensible thread on locked topics has been, guess what?
I love it, S. Your ability to focus on something but the actual issue is amazing.
I like your forum generally, by the way. The fact that mods lock topics because they don't like what's being said makes credibility an issue, however.
(It's the Orange Car thing that's the latest example,that I've seen).
Mavism, your imput is invaluable, thank you.
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Originally posted by tinkerman
Im thinking of locking more topics, this is the busiest we have been for a long time:D
Who dares wins Tinx. Bout time you earned your consultancy fee :)
I think the heat is getting to everyone 8)
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Good night all. May tomorrow bring all you hope for.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=67J_66hdN-I
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Tomorrow is bringing me a flight to Turkiye good night Highlander.
:) 8)
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Bon voyage Cliff :)
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Originally posted by LisaS
The sensible thread on locked topics has been, guess what?
I love it, S. Your ability to focus on something but the actual issue is amazing.
I like your forum generally, by the way. The fact that mods lock topics because they don't like what's being said makes credibility an issue, however.
(It's the Orange Car thing that's the latest example,that I've seen).
Mavism, your imput is invaluable, thank you.
Can someone explain that to me please[?]
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:) Stoop the way I read it, it means, Some people can write what they want when it suits them, but others are not allowed to voice there opinion, If I have read into it wrong then I am sure I will be corrected. So gizza kiss. ;)
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It is not my intention to a cause offence but having raised this issue I would like to express my concern that it was locked without any post being offensive or abusive and within 24 hours of it having been posted!!
Personally I think I raised an interesting point, not least of all because CBF claims to be a discussion forum, though that now appears to be in doubt.
I have argued before that CBF is like a magazine and in all magazines there are articles and subjects which readers will favour more than others and some which will be of no interest to the reader at all. Personally I think there is scope for argument and it is legitimate to include it in the CBF portfolio. To argue is not to fight - it is to present different view point in the hope others might change their mind.
I also have a concern that it is assumed people like me who, (all be it rarely) criticise the forum or criticize moderators are anti CBF or anti moderators. I think the forum is healthier and stronger if such criticisms can be made. I think it would help if moderators have a concern that a post is getting too personal or threatens to be abusing then they can 'advise' people to cool it, before locking it. I also find it odd when moderators or Skunner sometimes say that if people want to argue they should join a chat room or MSN yet appear tolerate others using the forum for that purpose on less emotive subjects. Tinx if I had known it was your first locking I probably would not have commented in quite the same way. They were not directed at you personally. I fully accept that posts which are personal or deliberately cause offense should not be tolerated and should be locked. I suppose I am pleading for a bit slack especially when people argue.
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Originally posted by laffa
:) Stoop the way I read it, it means, Some people can write what they want when it suits them, but others are not allowed to voice there opinion, If I have read into it wrong then I am sure I will be corrected. So gizza kiss. ;)
Laffa,
Thanks for the explanation.
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