Calis Beach and Fethiye Turkey Discussion Forum
Property For Sale in Calis Beach & Turkey => Moving To Turkey => Topic started by: boxerpete on July 16, 2010, 17:19:08 PM
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My wife and I are moving to Calis in the near future, She has COPD and get's Disability living allowance in the uk. We have been told that we will not be able to take this outside the EU. Has anyone any idea's how we may get round this.
Pete 8)
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Do not tell anyone ;)........ooooops:D
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If you do as BM06 says then you are no better than any other Social Security cheats and could be prosecuted for fraud if found out. The rules are quite clear on this and you should visit the govt web site for information.
One of the disadvantages of moving to Turkey is the effect on your benefits and medical entitlements
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Agreed Janet.
Only way to do it is to cheat the system.
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I'm with BM06 and Heather on this one! I would rather my taxes went to easing life for your wife no matter where you live than they go to all the immigrant scroungers living off me at the moment!!
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I don't think Heather said anything like that :D
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Me neither i was implying it was a bit late now 8) posting on an open forum for it to kept a secret hence the ....ooooops:D ;)
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Seriously Dont consider living here unless you have an income. You will not be entitled to Uk benefits or NHS treatment and no chance of working, Harsh but true
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Sorry pete but I agree with janet.gur on this. That's just my opinion.
I do hope however that the move to Calis "helps" your wife's condition
I also hope that replies are confined to pete's straightforward question.
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Originally posted by BM06
Do not tell anyone ;)........ooooops:D
Heather - Only way to do it is to cheat the system.
Sorry just put my twopennyworth in. I agree with both the above posts!!
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What I meant was that Heather said the only way to do it is to cheat the system. She didn't say this was a way she agreed with :)
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Question---"Has anyone any idea's how we may get round this."
Answer--- "Only way to do it is to cheat the system"
I agreed with Janet's post.
And for the record I do not agree with people cheating the system.
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I just agreed with both their comments - Just added my twopennyworth and stand by my comment.
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Where does BoxerPete state that he intends to cheat the system?Surely he is asking for a legal way round this!Pete,one is allowed to draw the state pension here and that's it...
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Worth clarifying Vic - Boxerpete didn't mention or suggest cheating the system. That was one of the suggestions made in reply.
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I can't see any way around this without cheating. It's just one of those things I'm afraid.
Good luck if you do decide to move and I hope the Turkish lifestyle suits you both. Be careful though - it's not as cheap as you think and you will need a decent income to survive without work.
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It does annoy me when I hear of people trying to cheat the system. The rules are specific and people should do their homework and weigh up the pros and cons on moving from the UK to a foreign country.I understand peoples frustrations when they see the way the UK treats immigrants especially if they have paid taxes and NI for years.
I am a diabetic and knew the rules before I left. I am now in the process of returning to the UK as it has become too expensive for me to pay all the medical bills that I incur in Turkey.Ever since I left the UK I continued to pay tax on my work pension so when I go back I do not feel that I am taking advantage. I would have loved to stay in Turkey and get all my medicines paid for by the UK government.
Including regular visits to the doctor and all the various tests and the medicines it was getting close to 200 GBP a month.
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People will always try and cheat the system! That is for their conscience not mine! My original post said "I would rather my taxes went to easing life for your wife no matter where you live than they go to all the immigrant scroungers living off me at the moment!!". It is up to boxerpete after asking the advice here what he does.
The link to this article was posted on CBF on the 11th July not by me I may add.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1293730/Somali-asylum-seeker-family-given-2m-house--complaining-5-bed-London-home-poor-area.html?ITO=1708&referrer=yahoo
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Originally posted by Ovacikpeedoff
It does annoy me when I hear of people trying to cheat the system. The rules are specific and people should do their homework and weigh up the pros and cons on moving from the UK to a foreign country.I understand peoples frustrations when they see the way the UK treats immigrants especially if they have paid taxes and NI for years.
I am a diabetic and knew the rules before I left. I am now in the process of returning to the UK as it has become too expensive for me to pay all the medical bills that I incur in Turkey.Ever since I left the UK I continued to pay tax on my work pension so when I go back I do not feel that I am taking advantage. I would have loved to stay in Turkey and get all my medicines paid for by the UK government.
Including regular visits to the doctor and all the various tests and the medicines it was getting close to 200 GBP a month.
Well said and best wishes form me :)
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We have spoken to the DWP again and have been told to put it all in a letter or mail, Some cases are now being looked at by a commitee. I hold little hope, Also I have been told not to do this until we are ready to move. Which is really silly because it could mean that we will not move to turkey. I will update at a later date as we are still trying to sell our house and one that we rent in the UK. I think it will be a long wait, thank's for all your comment's
Pete
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Its such an unfair system isnt it, why should the government be able to decide whether they pay you depending on where you are moving to, you have paid all of your taxes for your working live and then you are not entitled to anything, its a disgrace! I really feel for people who move to Turkey as its just not fair that they have to give up their benefits. There should be a system that can tell how much you have paid in to the system and have your benefits paid accordingly, that way people who have done nothing with their lives i.e. not paid a penny into the pot but are happy to take it will therefore receive next to nothing, trouble is its the workshy that cause most of this! Oops thats not very PC is it but I feel so strongly about it!
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Yet we continue to pay working Tax Credit & family Allowance to a parent and children living in the EU, if a parent is working in the UK!!!
Do I blame them claiming it? no it is the system that is all wrong.
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Never a truer word said Bev
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Also Child Benefit springs to mind.
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Whatever do you mean scooby :D:D:D LMAO 8)
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Was just a rumour i heard. ;)
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Whatever you decide to do (move or not) I would be very wary of putting it in writing to them. I haven't heard of anyone who has moved out who has successfully been 'given' benefits.
The Turkish Gov't have set up a scheme whereby you pay for private health insurance through them (this if for residents) costs around 184tl per month and, apparently, covers everything.
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I have a friend who lives here and cheated the system. He got found out,they suspended his benefit and had to go back to UK to explain and was threatened with prosecution for fraud. It took 5 months to sort it out and allow him to return to Turkey.He had his benefit taken away.He was also told with the new passports any government office can access your passport details and tell how long you have been out of the country and which country you are in. We have SSK turkish government insurance and it costs 250lire a month for both of us and our medical bills if we use Devlet Hospital are minimal but we have to pay more if we choose to use private hospitals, still cheaper than not having any insurance.
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not sure of all the facts but you could have extended breaks in turkey maybe 3 months at a time not sure if this would be ok with nhs rules or suit you both or your pocket.
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Quackers, what cover do have on your SSK insurance, & have you tried to use it yet, (I hope not, but it would be of great interest to all members, I believe). That sounds too good to be true?
Gordy.
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I understood the Turkish SSK,under the title of International health insurance, which supposedly was to be compulsory for holders of residencies was to cost 184 lira a month and covered all the family members.But it had been suspended shortly after the new visa regulations were suspended.?????????
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Originally posted by captainjon
I understood the Turkish SSK,under the title of International health insurance, which supposedly was to be compulsory for holders of residencies was to cost 184 lira a month and covered all the family members.But it had been suspended shortly after the new visa regulations were suspended.?????????
We understand that it was only the 'compulsory' factor that was removed for the time being. It is possible to take up the SSK insurance if you have residency and choose to have the insurance. We believe it costs 184tl monthly if you have citizenship or 250tl monthly if you don't.
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Yes that is what we have been told by SSK Office in Fethiye and we have the same level as the turksih citizens. We are about to use it for 2 operations and also for my husbands diabetic medication, you can only use it if the doctor signs the presciption not for over the counter medication. Seeing the surgeons after Bayram. 1st operation is on his spine the other is a hip replacement. We were given an estimate by Esnaf that 1st op will cost 1200-1400tl and 2nd op 2000 tl. Obviously if he used Devlet Hospital it would be less.He had a back op 2 years ago at Esnaf without SSK and that cost 9900 tl. Quite a saving for us if that is what we actually pay.To apply for SSK you have to have had a residency permit and lived here for 1 year. It took us 4 weeks to get our SSK number.
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The UHI/SSK insurance is a bargain for any ex-pat residents of "advanced years" or with pre-existing medical conditions, and I would certainly sign up if and when I move out there.
Which begs the question....the majority of us (myself included) moan about foreigners taking advantage of the UK benefits systems - I wonder what young Turks think of having to subsidise the healthcare of elderly ex-pats?
(Surprised you missed this opportunity, Scunner!)
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rpg9000,
I believe that there is a HUGE difference between foreigners arriving in the U.K. & heading straight for the nearest benefits office, & boxerpetes situation where this couple are actually taking out & paying a premium for medical insurance, and then also paying for the treatment/operations, on top of their insurance premiums. When said foreigners arrive in "Easy-Street" Britain, they get benefits, & FREE medical assistance, when they have paid absolutely Nada, Zip, Nowt, F**kall into the benefits system, & can somehow get benefits for children living in their homeland????
There is no question of the so-called "young Turks" subsidising boxerpete, or any other ex-pat who takes out a similar insurance policy!!
Gordon.
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Gordon, your emotional outbursts do not alter the facts - and here I'm having to restrain myself from utilising the Caps Lock button.......
Overall, young working Turks on a decent salary (and thus paying the same contributions) will effectively be subsidising the healthcare of elderly ex-pat residents.
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I'm with you on this one Gordy! Elderly people no matter what nationality can come to Britain and receive benefits and the best of medical care, all FREE! The same is not reciprocated in Turkey!
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Bulldust!!!!
OOOps, not to you, cheers!!:D aimed at the post by the guy with the rocket propelled grenade for a nickname!!
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Originally posted by rpg9000
Gordon, your emotional outbursts do not alter the facts - and here I'm having to restrain myself from utilising the Caps Lock button.......
Overall, young working Turks on a decent salary (and thus paying the same contributions) will effectively be subsidising the healthcare of elderly ex-pat residents.
Tell us an example please.
I'm all ears as I'm sure are many others reading this thread.
Do you have information on the Turkish systems that we don't? Or, have you been listening to some whinging barman?
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This is simply not true, another myth. When I have relatives visiting me in the UK from Turkey, elderly and all, when there is a generic healthcare need, we have to go to a private GP and get a private prescription, our GP cannot and will not see them. They are entitled to treatment at A + E if required but fortunately this has never been required. This is the same in Turkey for foreigners, where A + E treatment should not be chargeable.
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Originally posted by cheers
I'm with you on this one Gordy! Elderly people no matter what nationality can come to Britain and receive benefits and the best of medical care, all FREE! The same is not reciprocated in Turkey!
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That's because they are visiting Yasemin. If they came to stay permanently they would be entitled to free healthcare from a GP
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A Turk earning TL4,000 a month would pay SSK contributions of about TL580, and his employer would make additional payments of..............oh, I really can't be bothered; with intellects such as these around:-
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aimed at the post by the guy with the rocket propelled grenade for a nickname!!
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Or, have you been listening to some whinging barman?
what's the point in trying to have a decent debate?
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Anybody useing a country's benefits system, in this scenario health care, will either gain or lose financially.
The contributions made either by a Turkish national or an Expat on most occasions do not cover the cost of the treatment.
As in any country the nationals will be paying the lions share of the costs and therefore we as expats, who are in the system or make use of it, are the main beneficiaries.
I have not heard or had any negative feed back from any of the Turkish people that I have met.
It's what a caring society does. It tries to look after those in need and the Governments initiative, I believe, should be welcomed.
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Originally posted by rpg9000
A Turk earning TL4,000 a month would pay SSK contributions of about TL580, and his employer would make additional payments of..............oh, I really can't be bothered; with intellects such as these around:-
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aimed at the post by the guy with the rocket propelled grenade for a nickname!!
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Or, have you been listening to some whinging barman?
what's the point in trying to have a decent debate?
I asked a question. It is you who cannot be bothered to debate the issue.
Nice post Apollo:D
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Originally posted by rpg9000
A Turk earning TL4,000 a month would pay SSK contributions of about TL580,
Considering that in Turkey (January 2010), the 'minimum wage' was set at 729TL (Gross) per month, and (net) 577TL. The statement from rpg9000 is a tad far fetched.
The majority of Turkish Nationals earn even lower than the 'net' wage every month, without paying the SSK which is deducted from the 'Gross'.
A 'standard' monthly wage can be around 400TL per month without the SSK payment. There are still alot of employers that do not want to legally pay the SSK payment for their employees....(and they do not even raise the monthly wage by cash so that the employee can pay the SSK themselves)
Alot of Turkish Nationals live by their wage without SSK.
As an extra question... how many earn 4,000TL per month anyway??
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Very well said Nikkie!
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I asked a question. It is you who cannot be bothered to debate the issue.
Yes Anne you did, closely followed by an insulting remark.
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Nice post Apollo
Agree 100% - isn't that in essence what I was trying to say?
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As an extra question... how many earn 4,000TL per month anyway??
Answer: I don't know, but it will be a significant number. That is not a random figure, it was chosen very deliberately as it is close to the upper earnings cap for SSK contributions in much the same way that we have a limit on employee NIC payments. I'm not saying that it is an average wage - look back to my earlier post where I used the expression "on a decent salary".
There are plenty of people in the UK on £15/20K, and there are also hundreds of thousands (if not millions) on £250K plus. Assuming they pay their taxes, the latter are subsidising the former when it comes to social services - that's what a caring society is all about.
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Yasemin is correct. Although it seems that all and sundry come to the UK for FREE health care and benefits, it's only people for EU countries who take advantage of it - or legally that is. Quite obviously, if someone is poorly on UK soil and has no insurance etc, then our emergency services would take care of them but not otherwise.
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Well said sunnyd.
Most Turkish workers are lucky to earn 4000TL a year, never mind a month! Don't forget a lot of the seasonal workers here work their socks off for 6 months then go back to help their families throughout the winter with no additional income until the next summer season.
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Originally posted by rpg9000
....and there are also hundreds of thousands (if not millions) on £250K plus.
Please explain the source of the information on which you based that statement. I await your reply with interest.
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when my partner came to Uk on a tourist visa he had to go to doctors. I asked the receptionist what the charges would be and what he would need to bring with him on the day of appointment. She looked into it and was told there would be no fee. Then when he got prescription it still only cost him £4 or £5 cant remember the exact price. Looks like my local doctor made a mistake there
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I don't think I said anything insulting at all.
Your continually posting figures which other members who have more knowledge of the Turkish system are pointing out as wrong.
What I and a few others are asking is where your gleaming this information?
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and there are also hundreds of thousands (if not millions) on £250K plus
Highlander, on reflection that was an exaggeration for effect, probably by a factor of ten. It was based on the evidence of looking around at house prices, sportsmen's salaries, banker's bonuses etc., particularly in my part of the world. The underlying point that I was trying to make remains valid, in my view.
Apart from the above error, I stand by my figures and claims.
Anne, I try to use websites with .gov or .org in the address.
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Just like to say in reply to the winter fuel allowance part of this discussion regarding expats and them claiming this allowance, that there are also quite a few expats that have a property in Turkey and have returned to live back in England and have managed to get a council property which to me is even worse. In fact there is a week in September that if you are in England then you are entitled to the winter fuel allowance. Its usually the 2nd week. If you then go abroad thats up to you. I had this conversation with the DHSS about 2 years ago.
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Not sure if people are still interested in this - see link below
http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/disabledpeople/financialsupport/dg_10012424
I work in the housing (housing Assocation) / benefits system - so peple do need to be careful as word does get to the DWP... if peple require any assistance / advice pls feel free to email me.. best wishes ..
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Direct gov website has loads of info-check re winter fuel payments
http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/Pensionsandretirementplanning/Benefits/BenefitsInRetirement/DG_179768
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Free A&E treatment in Turkey! Where?
Why then did they ask my old neighbour for a credit card to treat his heart attack? Why did I have to pay for my visit to A&E when I needed urgent treatment and my partner on her visit and my daughter on her visit. This was at all the main hospitals here, i know 2 are private but one is goverment and same rules, Letoon, Devlet and Esnaf. I know it would have been free in the UK for anyone regardless. Yaesmin have we been conned?[?]
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We had free emergency treatment in the Devlet but not in the Esnaf.
My understanding is that if it is an emergency then you get free treatment at the Devlet as a Turk in the UK would get free emergency treatment therefore it has to be reciprocal.
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I had free emergancy treatment at Esnaf recently when I fell and broke my wrist on a Saturday afternoon. I just paid for the temp splint 20tl. I then paid for my operation and the treatment I needed 4 days later when I went for control.
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It's not reciprocal at all.Last feb i suffered a heart attack(massive,apparently)Esnaf saved my life,and that i am grateful,but when it came to me leaving the hospital i wasn't allowed to until they had been paid,now i don't know anybody that walks around fethiye with 3 thousand pound in their back pocket.I had to ring angel(nil bar)who paid on her card..I seriously believe there is something not quite kosher about the whole episode..
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We were told that it is in case of emergency but that was at the Devlet, the Esnaf is a private hospital and may not be covered by the same rules.
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Definatley not Fi in my case,I was charged at the Devlet for Emergency treatment and we questioned it but was told it was correct, we took my resident permit as I heard you get 20% off but they didn't want to look at that either, I don't even think they were trying it on either as I got a full printed receipt for the treatment. I was in so much pain I would have paid them double at the time regardless, so who knows what is correct on this? (Note I had posted this previously seems to have not been listed?)I have to say it is hit and miss on routine visits also, we have been to clinics, Doctors and private hospitals and they sometimes charge sometimes don't, usually it is only for the prescription we have to pay.