Calis Beach and Fethiye Turkey Discussion Forum
Turkey Related Subjects => Cost of Living in Turkey => Topic started by: sammyjorush on July 27, 2004, 15:02:39 PM
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:D Please can any one help?
I am moving to Calis next year, gonna try 6months to start as I have young children & a business...and yes eventually leave the UK for good....I havent taken this decision lightly as my children are still at school...but like many of us, we are fed up with the weather here and other circumstances encourage us to leave. :)
My request....is like many people where do you start????????
Has any one got a check listthat will give me a guide line of the right order to do things, I am a pretty organised person and have quite a bit of information(insight) but I dont want to miss anything out...
I know this will not happen over night, this is why I need help with the order of applying for things :-\
I would deeply appreciate any input from any one thats done the big move or are just starting out like me.....many Thanks
Samantha 8)
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Hi Sammyjorush,
We too are in the same position as you and hope to be over in Turkey certainly by this time next year, so I too would be very interested to hear from sensible people that have escaped!.
Scunner, having just gone back a bit through the forums I have only just realised that you and your good lady only escaped in April of this year, I don't know why but I just assumed you had been out there in the sunny land for ages and ages, so you would be good people to ask the whys and wherefors of??. Did you get your puppies in Turkey or take them with you?, I need advice on bringing my cats in and Teresa reckons that all cats have to go to Istanbul through customs now, she heard via Mushtaq's site - which is that? -is it reliable??,or where can I find out more..any ideas welcome, ta. LOL
Bye for now
June..........p.s. when do I get a star???
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Thanx June for your response
Ime not sure regarding you requests reference cats...I have not decided what to do regarding my pets, my dog is 17& half and the cat is nearly 11...I think maybe a little traumatic to put them through the long journey to a new life???????? and as for the family rabbit!!!!!! has any one tried taking a rabbit to Turkey?
If I decide to leave the animals it will certainly break my heart...but I will be coming back to the uk every winter to check my house and business (make sure they are still bringing in the money, to keep me in the style which I would of become accustomed to...(LAZY ha ha)
Obviously I shall be watching this space very closely for further replies, and hopefully together we might devise a list..who knows we may become neighbours eventually?????????????
speak soon June
Sammyjorush
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Hi Sammy & June, I am also in the same position and I don't think so far I have a checklist, so I'm just reading through the forum and noting things down that I will have to do in order to obtain my goal like a sort of portfolio of things to do, if that is any help at all lol! The more I read the less nervous I am , but I know nothing prepares you for the actual move and in my case there is only me and my cat to worry about!! :-))
I agree with the trauma of moving your pet. I don't think my cat would stand the trauma of moving to be honest as she is 10 and never leaves the house so I am considering what is the best thing for her.
Linda
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Samantha,
'Retire Abroad' by Roger Jones ISBN 1-85703-782-0 or try http://www.howtobooks.co.uk is a good start. It has loads of useful info and will probably answer all of your general questions.
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Thanku Linda for your input, like you my portfolio is growing by the day of different information and useful tips...I know the feeling of what to do the best for your cat..what ever I decide to do its gonna have a knock on affect all round especially with my children....
Good luck Linda, obviously with others throwing in some input like june, also 5sneeky recommended a book, so I might look in the library for that...I will let you know how I get on and if its worth buying!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Samantha :D
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Great Sam - yes I have learned quite a bit now by asking as many questions as I can think of and reading through what others write.
I wonder if it would be useful collating all things related to different topics in some sort of order on the site - but I guess that might be too time consuming.
As for the cat I just don't know what to do with her. She is actually my childrens cat but as usual - you get stuck with them when they go.
Let me know if you get that book!
Linda
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Hi Linda :D
Thanx for that, yeah building our own list for others will be a good idea....maybe it will be time consuming but if I can help others by lowering their stress levels I may give it a bash.....but do a short version...
Its never easy making that decision regarding the cat....
When are you thinking of moving? and will it be Calis?
I cant wait.... I eat, sleep, think, dream of Calis....[8)]
speak soon....
Samantha
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I don't know. At the moment there are problems selling the homestead and I don't know if I will end up in Calis or not I'll have to see - but the way things are going the whole forum is going to be there if they are not there already lol!
Linda
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Just what I was thinking....
When ime over in Sept I shall be listening to everybody trying to catch thier names to see if they are from the forum.... I think that gives me an idea for another topic......
At least if the forum are all there it beats trying to make idle chit chat......after all this forum is going to be a great help for me with the odd dilemma ime forced to face over the next few months....
who knows when the time is right all my friends will be here to help me load this end.....and maybe the forum might like to help un load the other end ha ha
samantha:D
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Linda & Sam, We're just on the point of making the big leap.
In October last year we bought a 3.5 acre plot of land in Kaya Koyu ( known as the "Ghost Village" ) near Fethiye. The villa has been built and has been ready for us since 1st July. We've had a number of legal problems with our sale over here, which I won't bore you with, but we should be permanently living in Turkey in a few weeks time.
I'm driving down there in a truck with most of our possessions and my partner Jennie,and her son are flying over with our 2 dogs ( Springer spaniels, 2 & 7 years old ). If you're bringing pets of any kind get your information from DEFRA. The number will be in the phone book or you can look at www.defra.gov.uk Be warned!!! Whichever way you bring pets, it's expensive!! You've got to budget for vacinations, health checks, certificates, legalisation of certificates ( which has to be done at the Foreign & Commonwealth Office AND Turkish Consulate in London no more than 96 hours before export ). Officially you can only bring 1 dog or cat per passport holder!
I've got a copy of a Turkish Customs document that I can email you if you want. It may help you understand some of the tariffs for importing personal possessions. Have you had a quote from anybody for transporting you goods from the UK to Turkey?? Make sure you're sitting down when you get one !!
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Hi Walgrave would you mind e-mailing me a copy of the Turkish Customs document, as we are also going to be making the move with 2 dogs and some personal possessions, quite a few of hubby's tools to be included.
Can I also ask how big is the truck you're driving down with, as we are toying with the idea of doing the same rather than ship over possessions, simply because we aren't going to be taking that much stuff! Is the truck yours, or have you arranged a hire truck?
I would appreciate any help on these.
Tina
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Hi Alan
Please could you e mail me the Turkish Customs document also I would be very grateful, as well as this can you tell me everything you know about taking animals over. I have actually been on the Delfra website and printed off all of the fact sheets they show, but who did you use to fly your dogs over as I e mailed a company called passportsforpets.co.uk and asked for a quote and they e mailed back to say that the only airline that operates a route to Dalaman is Turkish Airlines....is this who you are going with, they also said that animals are only allowed to travel as excess baggage with the,!, which I don't like the sound of. Is Jennie and her son having to fly via Istanbul with the dogs as Teresa posted a reply recently to say that from July 2004 all animals have to go this route now?.
Also I had heard that it was one animal per passport holder, presumably this is why Jennies son is flying with her?, we have 4 cats so I though if Stu and I flew along with my 2 sons (both passport holders) we could get around that even though they will not be stopping permanently?. How expensive is it?
Stu and I are very interested in buying a plot of land and having a villa built so we are very envious of you also for making the big leap, but we are sure you are doing the right thing and hope to be living over there in Calis by this time next year, I have already gots lots of info etc but any good advice you have would be invaluable Alan. We have a nice 2 bedroom apartment in Calis which we would rent out when we go and live there,so if you could let me have as much info also on buying land and building a villa as you have done it that also would be a great help as this is what we would love to do and it always help when someone knows the ropes.
We have pondered bringing our own possessions over and not decided entirely, but give me an idea.....I am sitting down!!!
Thanks for being so helpful Alan and you have definately made the right decision, I mean what is there here to stay for??. I hope your drive down is not to traumatic and I am sure you will settle down well...good luck.... Stu and I will be over on 27/8/04 and 1/10/04 both for 7 days maybe we will see you?....As soon as you get your telephone line up and running be sure to let me know how you are.
Sorry to rabble on a bit.....
Best wishes.
JuneX
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Thanx Walgravechippy:D
Yes please email me anything you have thats helpfull I appreciate all the help I can get.....
Also well done you and Jennie making that leap....fantasic...all the best with the move...what a great location...I love the ghost village...When I was in Calis last week I drove through the village every day and stopped twice for the BBQ place there its fantastic highly recommend any of you to try it.........
If any of you havent been please try...dont sit at a normal table ask for a private little hut take your shoes off before entering its just a mark of respect for their culture..I do it!!! then a waiter stays with you all the time and cooks there and then for you in front of you on a BBQ...its great the food is fantastic.....although I will move to Calis the ghost village will be my regular eating place....
Who knows chippy our paths will cross some time:D
I do hope the animals travel well, please let us know how the move goes......All the best
LOL Samantha 8)
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Thanks Chippy be very grateful if you could email me the document too and thanks for all your useful information, you and Jenny were very brave but you did it and that is what counts! I only have one cat. My friend Elaine who has dropped from my plans temporarily has 4 cats but no way can she take all of those herself. Also as I've mentioned I might be off to Saudi before I come to Turkey now I don't what I'm going to do with my cat if that happens I can't take her with me then.
Linda
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Well, today the wheels came off of our wagon!!
After making enquiries a few weeks ago, the hire company that I was getting the truck from today informed me that their insurers would not cover the truck for Turkey. Having spent most of the day on the phone to truck hire companies around the country I've had no success at all. Apparently, the insurance companies have decided that because of the "situation in Turkey?!?!?!?" they cannot provide cover.
I've spoken to a number of contacts in Turkey and a possible solution is to fly out there, pick up a truck, drive back to the UK and load up. The Turks don't seem to have any problem with allowing their hire vehicles to go to the UK even though there's been more terrorist action in the UK than Turkey! If it works, then I'll be looking at a rather lucrative business opportunity I should think!
For those of you that are interested in the costs involved here's how it's worked out.
To hire a 7.5 tonne truck (the biggest vehicle you can drive without an LGV licence) for 2 weeks is about £2,000 this includes insurance green card, breakdown cover and VAT.
Open return ticket (the return journey can be made at any time in a 12 month period - literally turn-up and go) Dover to Calais is £450 - £500 depending on time of year when bought. Eurotunnel cost is approx £100 dearer.
Fuel costs of about £600. It's 2,500 miles each way and steady driving will return 18mpg
Using 2 drivers the trip can be completed in 5 days. £60 / day for food and accomodation.
Customs costs - absolutely no idea!! Will have to see when we get to the border.
The dogs, Jennie and Matthew are flying out from Bristol with MyTravel to Dalaman. The dogs will be going into kennels near Bristol 6 days before flying. The kennels will take care of all certification and the necessary legalisation at the F&C Office amd Turkish Consulate. They have checked that there is no need for the dogs to go via Istanbul. They have a special relationship with MyTravel and although the dogs are treated as excess baggage they are very well looked after. They are delivered directly from the kennels to the plane and the captain handles their paperwork. Once the captain is handed the paperwork he/she adjusts the heating in the cargo hold to make it more comfortable for the animals. The cost including kenneling, certifacates,legalisation and flight - £450 / dog.
We were quoted between £2000 and £3000 for a 20ft container taking anywhere from 2 to 8 weeks. Thats collection from Northamptonshire and delivery to Izmir. Customs and delivery from Izmir to Fethiye would be extra.
Door to Door from Northants to Fethiye by a removal company was quoted at between £8,000 and £10,000.
I haven't put you off have I ????? LOLOL
I'll let you know how things are going and what plan we're going for as things fall into place.
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Wow, that is a lot of info in one go Alan.
Thanks very much that has made it much clearer for me, I will contact MyTravel as they are obviously the ones that know what they are doing, Smudge also took his cats over with MyTravel lst year and he had no problem at all.
As for the truck, well I know it would be nice to take some of home with you, but at those costs I just wonder 'is it worth it' not to mention how it will effect you driving all that way?.
Household items and furniture in Turkey are so reasonable to buy anyway, but its personal taste I guess.
Anyway good luck whatever you decide, and grateful if you could e mail the customs document, and info on buying your plot of land and building the villa.
Best Wishes
June
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thanx chippy:D
Alot of useful info there I have printed it off for future reference and is safe in my portfolio......:D
lol Samantha 8)
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Just been reading through my mountain of print outs I have in reference to "Check list"
A kind lady belonging to a group that have made the "move" to Istanbul..... recommended a book called "Living in Turkey for newcomers" Author Rhonda Vander Sluiss & Beryl Anderson...its a book designed for people who are planning to live in (Istanbul) for an extended time and want to make the possible adjustments......
The contents of the book ;
* Adjusting to another country
* Culture shock
* Language spoken - body
* Family & friends
* Staying healthy
* Bloom where you are planted
* Getting around
* Practical living skills
* Buying & selling a car
Maybe it will only be relevant for Istanbul, maybe not....I dont know
Ime just passing on this tip incase it is helpful.....:D
Happy reading....LOL Samantha
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Alan could you also e-mail a copy of the document to me. Our friends are moving out to Turkey in a couple of months and although they have got lots of info from the Turkish Embassy I'm sure they will find this document useful. They intend buying a people carrier and driving to Turkey with what possessions they are taking. They are also taking their dog with them this way as he is too old to risk flying
Cheers Janet
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Janet, I hope your friends have done the research on the documentation required to bring the dogs overland. We were originally driving over with our 2 dogs, but now their going to be flown!
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Alan, they seem to have all the info but there may be something they've missed. What problems did you encounter?
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Apart fromt the usual stuff, like the dog has got to be fully vaccinated, including anti-rabies and chipped. I'm fairly certain that one of the regulations requires that the dog is examined by a vet no more than 96 hours prior to export and that a certificate must be issued by the vet. That certificate must be legalised at the Foreign & Commonwealth Office AND the Turkish Consulate both of which are in London.
If taking the dog overland they must ensure that the correct documents are valid for all transit countries.
There is also the stress factor to consider. Not just for the owners but the dog as well. We were originally going overland with the dogs because we were worried about the stress that they would suffer whilst flying until a vet pointed out a few facts.
It could take 4 / 5 days to drive over, having to stop every couple of hours for exercising and watering the dog. Where would the dog sleep? The cost of certification ( £20+ extra per country ). Some countries require an import licence prior to travel. There are many factors to consider.
Apparently there has been quite a bit of research by RCVS that suggests that flying is far less stressful. Most dogs, once loaded onto the planes tend to relax and sleep throughout the flight. Granted, there's some stress involved at loading and unloading but they recommend it above driving overland.
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Just in case anyone is interested. I work for a removal and relocation company here in Istanbul. We also transport pets and are IPATA members. although we do our customs clearance in Istanbul it is possible to fly them to Dalaman etc. always keep upto date with customs rules as they change very often. if anyone has any questions feel free to email me.
steve
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Ah, Steve. It's me KayaKoyuOldBoy from the "other forum". If you get things sorted for me there's plenty more business on here too!
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I'll agree with that, we are also thinking of moving a smaller container over to Turkey when we go, and are relying on Walgrave to feed us all the info he gathers as he is in the process of going soon.
Tina
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My boss asked me where was Kayakoyu and I told him its an old greek ghost village with no roads only donkey tracks. I went there a few times and tried to nick a donkey that was wondering around. fell off and the bleepard kicked me.
we have had contact from our agents in the UK and Cengiz is working out a price now for you.
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Thanks Sam I'll look out for that book!
Linda
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Your welcome Linda:D
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Hi steve thanks for that,:D
I shall be emailing u soon to get some more info as I havent decided what to do reference to my old dog yet......
LOL Samantha
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are you referring to your dog or your other half?
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Thanks Steve,
I'm sat here with my Blankety Blank Cheque book in one hand and a bottle of Aspirin in the other!! LOL
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Well, Steve and his company, Sumerman of Istanbul, have got the job. They're taking care of our move from Northants to Kaya Koyu. The container's booked for the 17th and we fly out from Bristol with the dogs on the 20th.
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Wow, Mr WalgraveChippy what a relief for you and your 3 wheel wagon eh!!.
I also have asked Steve (my mate!!) for a quote so I hope I get the good deal you got.
Seriously though good luck with your move.
If you get chance, don't forget Residents Visa person for me.
Stu and I hope to catch up with you in Calis soon,
June X
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June,
We don't know her name yet. We'll be meeting her when we get out there. Soon as I can, I will let you know. Email me your mobile number.
Sam,
Seriously, You and kids are welcome to call round. Send me an email and I'll let you have our mobile numbers. You can have the hot water, tea bag and milk too!
By the way, send the email to me @btinternet.com NOT @aol.com
Alan
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A 'check list' would be such a great idea for those of us who are collecting information from this forum, ready for when it's our turn to make our property purchase & move to Turkey. (For us, it will hopefully be around April/May next year.) However, we now have so many printouts, that it is all becoming a bit of a confusing muddle!
Has anyone got any good tips please[?]
Tony & Sue
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Hi Tony and Sue,
I know what you mean, you just want as much info as possible and then it just ends up being one big mess.
Don't know if its any help but I got myself a couple of ring binders, quite big ones and also two packs of coloured dividers the ones with a sticky out bit that you can write on.
I then put everything in the binders and wrote on the sticky out bit what each was, i.e.
Banks, Pets, Furniture, Elecrical goods, customs, Bars, Efes....!! etc etc I found at least then I could go straight to what I wanted to find instead of wadding through loads of paper.
Hope it helps, and good luck with your plans.
June
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Hi Linda and Sammy
Good luck with your move.
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I agree Tony and Sue I think a checklist is badly needed. I've tried to do a sort of portfolio and I am just as confused. Good idea June.
Linda