Calis Beach and Fethiye Turkey Discussion Forum
Calis Beach Forum => Expat & Property Owners Q and A Forum => Topic started by: corrina on March 01, 2015, 19:41:11 PM
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Hi I am trying to find out how many of us are still waiting for Tapus ,,,, private messages only I do not want to discuss personal circumstances on the site ,, Thank you
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Not really how a public forum works though is it...
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Most people can wait quite a few months to get their Tapu.
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Not really how a public forum works though is it...
Sorry I was only looking for others in similar circumstances ,, , I am in a situation whereby I don't want to divulge personal information on the site as I am sure many would feel the same ,, ,, the losses are vast and the time I have waited is not a couple of years ,,, please remove if you are not Happy ,, once again apologies if my post is not as it should be
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We know that sinking feeling all to well
We had a year of stress that I would not wish on anyone.
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I'm not unhappy with it :)
I'm just saying that while you may not want to discuss your own situation in public (and that is quite understandable) it doesn't mean everyone else has to answer in private. They could all answer on here and no harm done to your situation personally.
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We sold last week and was told the Tapu will be about 15 days max of 20 days, including having a military checks being done, because nothing has sold on our complex in the last 4 years
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My friend sold hers at the end of last year.The new owner waited 6 weeks which included the military checks..
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Congratulations Mark.. Onwards and upwards son. X
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Most people can wait quite a few months to get their Tapu.
Agreed, and some people NEVER, EVER get their Tapu !! Mind who you buy from !!
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And some people boast a 100% record on delivering tapus
I thank you :D
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Sorry I was only looking for others in similar circumstances ,, , I am in a situation whereby I don't want to divulge personal information on the site as I am sure many would feel the same ,, ,, the losses are vast and the time I have waited is not a couple of years ,,, please remove if you are not Happy ,, once again apologies if my post is not as it should be
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I waited 10 years Corinna.......... ended up with nothing but massive debts..........
Warning to others - Avoid Mustafa Ergur & family (now living in the apartment I paid for), Erdal & Ridvan Doganay.
Avoid most lawyer's in the Fethiye area & Dalyan
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Sorry I was only looking for others in similar circumstances ,, , I am in a situation whereby I don't want to divulge personal information on the site as I am sure many would feel the same ,, ,, the losses are vast and the time I have waited is not a couple of years ,,, please remove if you are not Happy ,, once again apologies if my post is not as it should be
I waited 10 years Corinna.......... ended up with nothing but massive debts..........
Warning to others - Avoid Mustafa Ergur & family (now living in the apartment I paid for), Erdal & Ridvan Doganay.
Avoid most lawyer's in the Fethiye area & Dalyan
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There is a difference between buying a property that already has a Tapu and buying a new build, typically on a complex where the Tapu and habitation certificate (living permission) is sorted out when all properties have been built and all are sold because it works out cheaper to the seller to do them as a block all at the same time.
If the property already has the Tapu then the turnaround is about 4-6 weeks. If you fall into the other category then its very much how long is a piece of string. Some people have waited years and or are still waiting...
Problems seem to arise when the seller usually a building firm runs into financial difficulties and or can't sell all the properties. All sorts of tricks to exhort more monies from buyers to pay for the never forthcoming Tapu have been reported on this forum by members affected.
By the way there are a couple of very good local lawyers in Fethiye, Şule Beder being one and a lot of people also recommend Ozlem something, apologies for not recalling her name.
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There is a difference between buying a property that already has a Tapu and buying a new build, typically on a complex where the Tapu and habitation certificate (living permission) is sorted out when all properties have been built and all are sold because it works out cheaper to the seller to do them as a block all at the same time.
If the property already has the Tapu then the turnaround is about 4-6 weeks. If you fall into the other category then its very much how long is a piece of string. Some people have waited years and or are still waiting...
Problems seem to arise when the seller usually a building firm runs into financial difficulties and or can't sell all the properties. All sorts of tricks to exhort more monies from buyers to pay for the never forthcoming Tapu have been reported on this forum by members affected.
By the way there are a couple of very good local lawyers in Fethiye, Şule Beder being one and a lot of people also recommend Ozlem something, apologies for not recalling her name./quote]
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Re: Off-plan builds; I agree that this is the most dangerous way to buy (be careful who you trust to guide you through the process!) Better still DON'T buy off-plan! Many have been ripped off buying off-plan not only because builder/developer's "run into financial difficulties", Greed overtakes any integrity, honour or honesty these creatures previously professed to have! Why not have the Money & the Property! if you can get away with it, which in Turkey They Can :(
Re: Lawyer's, apart from being very expensive, I've only ever heard good about Sule Beder's work & ethics :) The other one who's name I will Never forget but won't bother to post again, I wouldn't from personal experience, recommend her to my worst enemy - Oh wait - perhaps I could/should :-X
Oop's screwd up the quote function :-[
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My property had a Tapu ,
with an English owners name on I payed for property in England and deposit to builders in turkey as it was a resale ,,, So the builder nicked my Tapu,, !!!!
During the last 10 years I have met with many of the solicitors including ones advised by English Consulate ..still just to have money stolen ,, may as well give it away ,,,""" cos after all none of us work for it """
I can show it has changed names 3 times since I bought the villa Hilarious ,, " But im not giving up "",, also a loan on the property ,,, maybe a couple of loans over the last few years ,, ( still waiting for more info on this )
I have been advised to seek others in a similar situation ...so I am asking for private messages to see if there are enough of us for a war !!
It also appears the banks are Colluding,,,, lending on illegal tapus !!
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My property had a Tapu ,
with an English owners name on I payed for property in England and deposit to builders in turkey as it was a resale ,,, So the builder nicked my Tapu,, !!!!
During the last 10 years I have met with many of the solicitors including ones advised by English Consulate ..still just to have money stolen ,, may as well give it away ,,,""" cos after all none of us work for it """
I can show it has changed names 3 times since I bought the villa Hilarious ,, " But im not giving up "",, also a loan on the property ,,, maybe a couple of loans over the last few years ,, ( still waiting for more info on this )
I have been advised to seek others in a similar situation ...so I am asking for private messages to see if there are enough of us for a war !!
It also appears the banks are Colluding,,,, lending on illegal tapus !!
You can have as many "wars " as you like , but after this amount of time, and name changes, I would suggest that you have been well and truly " had over ", as they say, Best to put it down to experience, and next time? give your time and money to Cenk & Olga at Interturk Estates, since the retiral of Keith " The Scunner " Cambell, probably the most honest, straight talking Emlak in Mugla !!
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By the way, why not name & shame the English person whose name was on the Tapu ? If your story is true, this would save others from finding themselves in the same position,......... MAYBE !!
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The thing about Şule, Corrina is that she may appear to be expensive but if there is a result to be had she will get it for you and she will tell you the score before proceeding. Money well spent.
I am a little confused by how your Tapu was nicked by the builder if there was a Tapu with English owners names on it and there wouldn't be a Tapu if the house was still to be built off plan. It's not my business of course and I know you didn't want to get into it on a public forum.
However I can personally highly recommend Şule and if anyone can sort it out for you she can and if she can't she will say so, not take your money and run.
I believe that buying "off plan properties" are no longer allowed by law which if true can only be a good thing.
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Corinna, who (in what capacity) has 'advised' you to try to contact other victims?
I'm not just being nosey, I have genuine reasons for asking.
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By the way, why not name & shame the English person whose name was on the Tapu ? If your story is true, this would save others from finding themselves in the same position,......... MAYBE !!
Yep I Have a fraud case in the Uk , The English Man originally owned the villa ,,,, I would name and shame all,, involved , i would so like to name and shame but at the moment that's a luxury i can ill afford as i would loose control of my situation so quickly ,,, i so look forward to the day that i am able to expose all as you can imagine 10 years of this will so much has happened ,,
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The thing about Şule, Corrina is that she may appear to be expensive but if there is a result to be had she will get it for you and she will tell you the score before proceeding. Money well spent.
I am a little confused by how your Tapu was nicked by the builder if there was a Tapu with English owners names on it and there wouldn't be a Tapu if the house was still to be built off plan. It's not my business of course and I know you didn't want to get into it on a public forum.
However I can personally highly recommend Şule and if anyone can sort it out for you she can and if she can't she will say so, not take your money and run.
I believe that buying "off plan properties" are no longer allowed by law which if true can only be a good thing.
Thanks for your reply
,,, i have a solicitor but a second one sounds also very interesting ,,always wise to have more opinions ,,,, ..i spent over £8,000,00 on solicitors my new solicitor has got all of this back from the last corrupt Turkish solicitor that i used ... ,,,pretty amazing i think ,,,...
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Corinna, who (in what capacity) has 'advised' you to try to contact other victims?
I'm not just being nosey, I have genuine reasons for asking.
One of my lawyers ,,
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The thing about Şule, Corrina is that she may appear to be expensive but if there is a result to be had she will get it for you and she will tell you the score before proceeding. Money well spent.
I am a little confused by how your Tapu was nicked by the builder if there was a Tapu with English owners names on it and there wouldn't be a Tapu if the house was still to be built off plan. It's not my business of course and I know you didn't want to get into it on a public forum.
However I can personally highly recommend Şule and if anyone can sort it out for you she can and if she can't she will say so, not take your money and run.
I believe that buying "off plan properties" are no longer allowed by law which if true can only be a good thing.
Thanks for your reply
,,, i have a solicitor but a second one sounds also very interesting ,,always wise to have more opinions ,,,, ..i spent over £8,000,00 on solicitors my new solicitor has got all of this back from the last corrupt Turkish solicitor that i used ... ,,,pretty amazing i think ,,,...
sorry ..my villa was a resale with an English owner ,, His Tapu was all correct ,, it was the estate agent that was the builder so to speak a resale of an original build 8 years previous
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My property had a Tapu ,
with an English owners name on I payed for property in England and deposit to builders in turkey as it was a resale ,,, So the builder nicked my Tapu,, !!!!
Corrina
How did the builder get his name on the tapu - wouldn't it have transferred from English seller to you (English buyer)? And how was there a builder involved, as it was a resale?
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next time? give your time and money to Cenk & Olga at Interturk Estates
I doubt Corrina is in any rush to have a "next time" but I couldn't agree more with the recommendation. I've known Cenk & Olga for 11 years now and in that time a total of 0 skeletons in 0 cupboards. Honest, straightforward and patient. And believe me, patience has been necessary for some of the customers they've had :D
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My property had a Tapu ,
with an English owners name on I payed for property in England and deposit to builders in turkey as it was a resale ,,, So the builder nicked my Tapu,, !!!!
Corrina
How did the builder get his name on the tapu - wouldn't it have transferred from English seller to you (English buyer)? And how was there a builder involved, as it was a resale?
English seller left the country ,, left his poa ..with estate agent also a property developer/Builder ,, they originally built the property so they did the resale ,,, assured all was in order and Tapu would transfer into our name ,,, .. But he nicked it and it has since had 3 separate names on all in same family ,,,
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My property had a Tapu ,
with an English owners name on I payed for property in England and deposit to builders in turkey as it was a resale ,,, So the builder nicked my Tapu,, !!!!
Corrina
How did the builder get his name on the tapu - wouldn't it have transferred from English seller to you (English buyer)? And how was there a builder involved, as it was a resale?
English seller left the country ,, left his poa ..with estate agent also a property developer/Builder ,, they originally built the property so they did the resale ,,, assured all was in order and Tapu would transfer into our name ,,, .. But he nicked it and it has since had 3 separate names on all in same family ,,,
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next time? give your time and money to Cenk & Olga at Interturk Estates
I doubt Corrina is in any rush to have a "next time" but I couldn't agree more with the recommendation. I've known Cenk & Olga for 11 years now and in that time a total of 0 skeletons in 0 cupboards. Honest, straightforward and patient. And believe me, patience has been necessary for some of the customers they've had :D
I love Turkey and no illegal amount of legislation is going to change my mind ,,
Im gonna win my case so its still the same time ,,, don't need a next time ,, im a little fighter never give in or give up ,,, don't do negative stuff ,, I will also check these peeps out as i need to be sure my advise has no floors ,,,
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Corrina
No need to repost the last 6 months of replies ;)
Just type your reply in the quick reply box below
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Oops thanks
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Sounds you have a good new solicitor Corrina; good luck with it all and I hope you get all your money back.
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next time? give your time and money to Cenk & Olga at Interturk Estates
I doubt Corrina is in any rush to have a "next time" but I couldn't agree more with the recommendation. I've known Cenk & Olga for 11 years now and in that time a total of 0 skeletons in 0 cupboards. Honest, straightforward and patient. And believe me, patience has been necessary for some of the customers they've had :D
I appreciate that there may not be a next time,hence the reason for the question mark ,Keith !!
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Corinna, who (in what capacity) has 'advised' you to try to contact other victims?
I'm not just being nosey, I have genuine reasons for asking.
One of my lawyers ,,
Is that/they a Turkish lawyer/s, in Turkey Corrina?
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lawyers in Turkey and Uk
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lawyers in Turkey and Uk
I would interested in more details but I will need your lawyer's names, I've had experiences with several!. PM me if you can supply this information.
This is a genuine question & request, my 'saga' is well known to members of CBF.
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lawyers in Turkey and Uk
I would interested in more details but I will need your lawyer's names, I've had experiences with several!. PM me if you can supply this information.
This is a genuine question & request, my 'saga' is well known to members of CBF.
Have sent you a message !
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Thanks for the pm Corinna, have you received my reply?
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Corinna and Cef, we bought our villa off plan in October 2009, and still do not have our full Tapu. We have the land Tapu but not the habitation part, which Sule is busy working on for us. All being well, we hope to conclude this on going saga within the next month or so. I'm setting out the whole tortuous process in my blog, which is called 'Buying the Dream' and is under 'Members' Blogs'. I'll be uploading the next one on Thursday, with an episode every Thursday after until the bitter or hopefully, happy end. It's been quite an experience . . .
I'd be very interested to hear the outcome of all your efforts. Very best of luck. With your tenacity and guts, things will surely swing your way.
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Corinna and Cef, we bought our villa off plan in October 2009, and still do not have our full Tapu. We have the land Tapu but not the habitation part, which Sule is busy working on for us. All being well, we hope to conclude this on going saga within the next month or so. I'm setting out the whole tortuous process in my blog, which is called 'Buying the Dream' and is under 'Members' Blogs'. I'll be uploading the next one on Thursday, with an episode every Thursday after until the bitter or hopefully, happy end. It's been quite an experience . . .
I'd be very interested to hear the outcome of all your efforts. Very best of luck. With your tenacity and guts, things will surely swing your way.
Hi ArtyMar, thanks for thinking of us & posting an update on your own situation. Really sorry to hear that yours is not yet fully resolved but it does sound like you're nearly there, look forward to hearing you have the 'All clear' soon :)
I replied to Corinna's pm, she hasn't got back to me yet with the information that I & others would need to even consider her (original)request to ''join forces'.
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Loz & I also looked at an proposed " off plan " site in 2003, we even considered paying the deposit ( to a British agent ) at the time, but decided not to go ahead. About 2 years after we had actually purchased our property in Akarca, we drove past the proposed " off plan " site .............NOTHING there, the builder hadn't even broken ground !! There is a development there now, but obviously, there had not been sufficient interest in the site in 2003 for the builder / agents to commence building works. I am still of the opinion that, if we had gone ahead with the deposit & staged payments, we could have lost a lot of money . My advice ? Steer clear of " off plan " developments ,( or NON DEVELOPMENTS ) at least in Turkey !! Just sayin' , innit ??
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Nice to be in contact again, Cef. When I hear more about buying off plan and now know more about Deska, we can thank our lucky stars that despite all, we actually have a villa, even though we still don't have our full Tapu and are paying a lot to get it! I'm hoping we'll have it before we stay there in June and we'll have a big celebration at the villa to which any CBFer in Calis or nearby at the time will be welcome.
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My observations (for what they are worth) are that the problems arise when the builder does a “build for land” deal with the landowner.
In other words, the builder undertakes to build the land owner a property ( or more ) on his land for nothing. In return he is allowed to build more properties on the land which he then sells.
This kind of deal is destined to go wrong. The builder’s profit is only realised when all the properties are sold.
The land owner won’t release the land to any one until he has got what he wants.
The people that have bought the properties won’t hand over their last payments until they have got their Tapu.
Eventually a stale mate is reached because there is no money flowing into the project to pay the fees to pay for the Habitation Licenses, Property Tax and Tapu fees.
Unless the builder has got a lump of cash the whole things grinds to a halt. If he had a lump of cash he would have bought the land in the first place.
Off Plan is fine – if the builder owns the land. There are many, very successful developments which have been sold off plan which have very satisfied customers.
So the moral is the same. Use a good Estate Agent who will check if the builder does actually own the land he is building on.
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There are many, very successful developments which have been sold off plan which have very satisfied customers.
The number of successful and, relatively, trouble free purchases in the Fethiye area way outnumber those where folks have had issues compared to certain other areas in Turkey. There have been a few horror stories but in general these are few and far between. Might be something to do with Fethiye having (at the start of the property boom) a fairly conservative belediye and Fethiye itselfs reputation for being slightly more "upmarket" than some established tourist areas, which kept property prices higher and cut out the massive off plan developments (100+ units).
I'm struggling to think of many issues where there have been multiples of owners left in the sh1t, there was one but for the life of me I cant remember the name... A1 or something like that. It was about ten, maybe twelve years ago - Loz & Keith know the one I'm talking about.
So the moral is the same. Use a good Estate Agent who will check if the builder does actually own the land he is building on.
Never a truer word. No need for solicitors in Turkey when buying a property, a good estate agent will make sure you get what you pay for (but thats a whole new subject!).
JF
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Nice to be in contact again, Cef. When I hear more about buying off plan and now know more about Deska, we can thank our lucky stars that despite all, we actually have a villa, even though we still don't have our full Tapu and are paying a lot to get it! I'm hoping we'll have it before we stay there in June and we'll have a big celebration at the villa to which any CBFer in Calis or nearby at the time will be welcome.
Really good to hear that your situation is nearing a happy conclusion ArtyMar :), fingers crossed that you'll be having a Fab celebration party in June. Should be plenty of CBFer's in town to help you celebrate, you might want to make that invitation into a 'bring a bottle or 2', some of them can really shift some liquid! ;)
Best wishes x
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Thanks for the pm Corinna, have you received my reply?
Hi Corinna, any news on the information you were going to send me?
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Thanks for the pm Corinna, have you received my reply?
Hi Corinna, any news on the information you were going to send me?
Stop bugging her.
If she's going to respond she'll do it... if she's not she wont. Clogging up the thread with posts like this wont make her respond any quicker.
JF