Calis Beach and Fethiye Turkey Discussion Forum
Property For Sale in Calis Beach & Turkey => Buying Property in Calis Beach, Fethiye and Turkey => Topic started by: daveG on September 06, 2013, 12:18:28 PM
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Just read today in Fethiye Times that "New draft Law is being discussed(with PM)which proposes requirements for estate agents to hold minimum qualifications, training. certification and the standardisation of commissions across the country"
"Severe financial penalties if unregistered agents are found operating without a licence"
All I can say is not before time!!!
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Nah laws and Turkey don't go together
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Will it stop the barman who can get the "Turkish price" for his 'uncle's' villa? Almost certainly not.
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Is this the goverments reply,to the agent, on rip off Britain on telly the other night
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Genuine Turkish Fake Qualifications?
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Those corrupt, bad & incompetent Emlak's are only a part of a very big problem effecting Turkey's property industry!
Builders, Developers, Lawyers & all the 'Official's that work in the various offices dealing with all Planning/Land/Tapu's etc, need to be overhauled & regulated.
Personally, I can't see that happening in the foreseeable...............
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All that I really want, is for someone in officialdom, i.e. Belediye, to tell my new feckin' Turkish neighbours to take down the metal fencing they have erected around the communal garden, and GIVE ME MY GARDEN BACK !! Sorry for shouting Boss !! >:( >:( >:( >:(
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No!! They can't do that! When did that happen?
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It went up when we were here in April, I went to the Belediye, made an official, signed complaint, "Technical" people, (they're term, not mine), came and took measurements, photographs, of inside their much extended, (illegally) villa, as well as the garden, but, so far, no word from officialdom. These "new" neighbours are totally unlike all of our other Turkish neighbours, who are absolutely fantastic, friendly, and helpful people !!
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What a pain. I really hope you get it sorted soon Gordon. :(
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It will be taken down suzz, Gordon is off to the powers that be again this week, written complaint again, this time English and Turkish Once confirmed that it is Ortak Bache (communal garden) I will give them one week and then I am out with the spanners taking the fence down myself, Watch for Haber News re English woman arrested, please bring me food parcels and soap. Gordon says he will stop me, but then that would mean he would have to stay in and not visit the bars, so I guess that means the fence is coming down >:(
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Bet they are from Istanbul
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Loz, I wish I were there. I'd be taking that fence down with you. Makes me fume. Good luck.
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Go Loz!
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Yep, go Loz, goooooooooooo.
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Great thats 3 visitors. I don't think they are from Istanbul, She is has a great job high up in Fethiye, her husband works all over Turkey something to do with security. it is 3 villas sharing a garden, Tapu states we have 1/4 neighbour has 1/4 and they (the trouble ones?) have 1/2, we had the choice of the 3 when we purchased, their villa (the one with 1/2 share) is smaller than ours, a settee chair and tv in the lounge and no dining area, or it was until they started putting on extensions and raising the roof by 6ft.
After our purchase the builder lived in the 1/2 share property for 6 months then his wife wanted bigger property. Since Early February 2004 we have maintained the garden ourselves, the builder was happy for us to do it, this has continued to date. the garden has an electric box for the garden should we (all the neighbours) want to install lighting or swimming pool, again we all agreed we did not need it, yet if we wanted to now we could not as it is fenced. The garden was hard landscaped paid for by Gordon and myself to make it easier for me to maintain it, they the 'neighbours from hell' who only purchased April 2013 have now ripped it up and given it away.
I should have seen problems from the start of their purchase, when I was in the garden tidying up, she came out and told me it was hers to clean, me being soft thought she was telling me that when the building work had finished she would clean it, oh how wrong was I.
They have upset the other Turkish neighbours, but they are very young and intimidated, but they agree with me and my actions, their family live nearby and I think helped the young couple to purchase the home, so I gather they have their names on the Tapu, they too are not happy, yet they are taking another tack, me, I am going for the jugular.
Getting back to agents, when the smaller villa was being sold we would watch the agent showing clients around, they would point to our driveway and tell them that they owned it, also telling them they could make the property bigger. The agency was Turkish, and staffed by Turks, they just wanted a sale and this neighbour fell for it. So when the fence went up they wanted to fence us in by fencing the driveway too, giving them 2 drives, ensuring that they had what was written on the Tapu 1/2, they probably would have put a gate so we could get to our front door, the only thing stopping them was Gordon, boy can he argue in Turkish.
So, would a fully licensed estate agent be liable for any false information? what powers or safeguards if any would a license give? Would I have been able to sue or take to task the agent for falsely selling by not giving the correct information and causing a problem? I don't think so.
A licence is just stating that the agent has been trained and certified to give bull****.
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When people live in shared areas like this or any other communal complex why is it that you always end up with an arsehole who refuses to accept the theory that it is shared and pay their fair share or not take advantage. It is not a difficult thing to understand if you buy on a complex you have to pay a shared maintenance etc yet you hear of so many cases where non payers get taken to court and the seem to always loose.
Especially in your case where you have looked after it for so long. To come in and rip stuff up and put fences in to divide the area up is just not on. It always causes animosity and leaves a bitter taste. Some people are just horrible to others and it seems like second nature to them.
I would want to get the angle grinder out and cut the fence down. (and rip his head off in the process).
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So, would a fully licensed estate agent be liable for any false information? what powers or safeguards if any would a license give? Would I have been able to sue or take to task the agent for falsely selling by not giving the correct information and causing a problem? I don't think so.
A licence is just stating that the agent has been trained and certified to give bull****.
We have been exactly here before. Evening classes that agents had to attend (not all, just a representative one from each agency, the rest of the staff/partners just carried on as normal). I think it was one evening a week for not too many weeks and at the end of it if you passed, you got a certificate and a card saying you were licensed. The tales I heard were that it was a room where you walked through the door and reverted to childhood, back to school days with joking, naughty behaviour and paper aeroplanes.
It was a lot of years ago now but I think I remember people only going once or twice but even so, at the end everyone must have passed because everyone got the certificate!
As you may by now have worked out, it changes literally nothing, and future incarnations of the same idea won't either. How could they stop the barman who is selling his "uncle's villa" privately to his "very good English friends" having bunged 15 grand on top for his afternoon's work on their behalf? Or the developer ludicrously overstretched and heading for bankruptcy? Or the agent that tells the buyer one price and then tells the seller the clients could only afford a figure 4k less than that, then pockets the difference?
Sadly the pitfalls (and tricks) work no matter what you learned in an evening class with your mates.
Will it stop agents telling customers whatever they want to hear to get a sale Loz? Of course not. While standing on new complexes with my customers, I overheard agents telling theirs all manner of things. If I had a pound just for every time I heard an agent saying "and that area there is park, it can never be built on", I reckon I'd have £183.50.
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Apologies if this is not in the right section...
I have read on here re the unfortunate problems regarding Tapu etc of another member whose builder has possibly gone bankrupt and I have every sympathy with that member but I have a question to ask regarding that building company.
That said builder started at the beginning of this year to build two apartment blocks on a very small piece of land next to our complex...the building has been on and off all year and there is also a huge "swamp" of water in between the one started building and where the 2nd block was proposed to go, someone was meant to be coming to fill in the "swamp" as it is a magnet for mozzies and on one visit I had ten bites on just one leg...anyway no one has been to do the filling in and the building work has not resumed for some while... if this builder has gone bankrupt does anyone know what will become of the building they have done will it get demolished or will it just be left as the eyesore it is?
thanks in advance if anyone knows the answer to this....
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Gobsmacked Loz..ripped it up and gave it away :o????? What a fantastic holiday you must be having what with the tiles as well...
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As well as the fence coming down Loz I'd be looking for compensation for the 'giving away' of my tiles.
Barstwards!!
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We have been exactly here before. Evening classes that agents had to attend (not all, just a representative one from each agency, the rest of the staff/partners just carried on as normal). I think it was one evening a week for not too many weeks and at the end of it if you passed, you got a certificate and a card saying you were licensed. The tales I heard were that it was a room where you walked through the door and reverted to childhood, back to school days with joking, naughty behaviour and paper aeroplanes.
It was a lot of years ago now but I think I remember people only going once or twice but even so, at the end everyone must have passed because everyone got the certificate!
That is going back a bit - somewhere round about 2007/8 if I remember correctly. And you are correct about the certification! The actual course was considered a complete waste of time by those that went and many didn't even bother turning up after the first week or two. I think it was organised jointly by the belediye and the local chamber of trade (or someone like that), so it doesn't take an Einstein to work out how hard they were when enforcing both attendance and the final "exam".
JF
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As well as the fence coming down Loz I'd be looking for compensation for the 'giving away' of my tiles.
Barstwards!!
Anne, it wasn't tiles they lifted and gave away, but 4 tonnes of loose decorative white stones that we had spread over ground control matting , in order to make the maintenance of the garden easier. The female neighbour holds a high position in one of the financial >:("institutions", shall we call it, in Fethiye, and is an extremely dislikable person, her husband,? well, he's just a feckin' twat !!
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There is no great need for a new draft law for estate agents. The vast majority of horror stories would simply not happen if foreigners didn't have to wait months for their paperwork to be completed and tapu to be issued. Paying for your property and getting your tapu there and then works well, for Turkish folk. That would be a huge (and easy) step forward for the reputation of the Turkish property market from the foreign investment perspective.
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I now even more firmly believe that Loz and I must have either been extremely lucky when we bought our property, or, we were just in the right place at the right time, and were dealing with an extremely honest, trustworthy agent, and builder!! We did not employ the services of a lawyer, (maybe foolish, but, no repercussions), and the whole transaction was as painless as could possibly be, with absolutely NO problems from beginning to end. ( I just wish I could sell it as easily !!).
I totally agree with Keith that there is absolutely no need for all the bloody palaver that comes with selling property to non-Turkish clients, the money is there, the damned property is there, computers make the whole "vetting" process fast and simple. get the bloody finger out Emlaklar/Agents/Builders, and give people what they have paid for, and you might, just might maybe, get back a little respect.
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The female neighbour holds a high position in one of the financial >:("institutions", shall we call it, in Fethiye, and is an extremely dislikable person, her husband,? well, he's just a feckin' twat !!
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LOL No wonder you are so p***ed off.
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If you buy from a financially secure builder, it can be easy.
We bought an apartment off plan. Paid 10 percent as a deposit and the remaining 90 percent upon receiving the Tapu when the building was finished. The way it should be.
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@Loz, did the neighbours have more garden than the other two houses before the problems started?
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If you buy from a financially secure builder, it can be easy.
While some agents are selling the properties of the builders who pay them the most commission, rather than the ones who are financially secure, that won't help purchasers too much.
Have people noticed that some agents don't have any clients in stress, because they saw the signs and refused to sell the projects of certain developers? No? Not for the first time eh...
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True. Must say that we bought from the builder directly so no agent involved.
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Paying for your property and getting your tapu there and then works well, for Turkish folk.
We insisted on that, naively thinking that you could just insist and it would happen. Luckily for us it did but I now see that our insistence was actually laughable. We were lucky enough to have a very honest builder who we have got to know a little better since and have enormous respect for. We also had a very good solicitor in Ozlen who made it all happen for us the way we requested. I can't say our agent was as good though. We used Seaside Properties on the bridge and, at the time, I thought they seemed OK but we've learnt and experienced a lot since. More on that later but I'd say avoid them. Particularly for new builds.
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Well the Zabita and council have been today, letter with Turksh Translation to the Bechet the Mayor and one to Mugla Ozel appears to have given a kick. The council man did tell Gordon that the garden is Ortak Bache (Communal garden) let us wait and see. they have also taken photos of the exrtra height and extensions. No I will not sit back, I was dragged up with the saying "Actions speak louder than words".