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General Topics => Football => Topic started by: desmartinson on June 15, 2014, 09:07:12 AM
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Well the lads gave it a go, but for me Italy always looked in control, their captain Pirlo ran the show. Sterling, and Sturidge, good performance. but im sorry to say Gerrard, Cahill, Wellbeck, nothing there to impress me. Rooney just cant seem to do it on the International scene. :(
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Said to a visitor before the game "I would play Milner and tell him not to be more than 4 ft from Pirlo all the game but it isn't pretty and he won't do it"
They had the edge on us and it was the 77th minute when Pirlo played his first stray pass as we were watching to see when it happened!
PS that was the only stray ball he played :-)
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Said to a visitor before the game "I would play Milner and tell him not to be more than 4 ft from Pirlo all the game but it isn't pretty and he won't do it"
They had the edge on us and it was the 77th minute when Pirlo played his first stray pass as we were watching to see when it happened!
PS that was the only stray ball he played :-)
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So you said it to 2 visitors then Ian. ;) :)
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Well the lads gave it a go, but for me Italy always looked in control, their captain Pirlo ran the show. Sterling, and Sturidge, good performance. but im sorry to say Gerrard, Cahill, Wellbeck, nothing there to impress me. Rooney just cant seem to do it on the International scene. :(
Was Rooney playing. Could have sworn I never saw him. ;D
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"Was Rooney playing" ?? Would it have mattered??
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Yes. Had he not been, someone might have played who can hit a cow on the arse with a banjo.
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As said last night Italy had their chances and took them. England had lots of chances and did not take them.
Why was Joe Hart so far out of his box, we were both screaming for him to get back, just as well Phil Jagleika was there or it would have been 3 for Italy. I am nervous about Joe Hart.
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Well it may surprise you JH. but in this instance I agree with you - he always appears to me to overconfident in his own ability. I hope he proves me wrong !
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I think it's time for Roy to be brave. Conservatism is not working and he needs 6 points.
My opinion, Rooney has to go. Lambert up front with Sturridge. Baines needs cover (Maybe Milner) or play Baines L/S midfield with Luke Shaw behind him.
Still not convinced at Right Back either bit options are limited.
Barkley needs to play and so does Lallana.
The Ox, Wilshire and Wellbeck off the bench as an alternative late on.
And unfortunately I'm not convinced that Stevie G is gonna do it at this world cup....captain or not.
How Ray can work all of my suggestions in is a bit of a mystery, but that's why he's paid a small fortune........and I am not.
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Really agree with most of those - especially right back and limited options and I would play Lambert with Sturbridge as he is what I call "a consistently lucky player!!!"
I think we do have the players to scrape into the top 8 - just - but it is all about tiny tiny margins - here's hoping :-)
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If Costa Rica play like they did against Uruguay, we are on a hiding, and this team would be lucky to scrape into the last 80 anywhere Ian. :(
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Rooney either needs to play at no9 or 10, or not at all, no good on the left as he keeps coming into the middle to pick up the ball - leaving no outlet on the left! Baines must now realise how good Cole was at left back and what a hard act to follow. Gerrard struggled, but midfield was just not good enough in any case.
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Rooney either needs to play at no9 or 10
That's a great idea especially if England kick off at 7 ;D
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Think Glenn Johnson is having a bad time as is Rooney, would get them off, give Stevie the benefit of the doubt because he is pass perfect, as for the pundits, get rid of most of them,
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As said last night Italy had their chances and took them. England had lots of chances and did not take them.
Why was Joe Hart so far out of his box, we were both screaming for him to get back, just as well Phil Jagleika was there or it would have been 3 for Italy. I am nervous about Joe Hart.
Hart was in the correct position. 9 out of 10 stikers would have struck straight shot toward the far post. Hart had this covered. It was Balotelli's brilliance to chip it. Jagelka was expected to cover, and thats exactly what he did. Great skills from Mario.
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The little genious 2 England 1
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:'(
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Saying nothing.
JF
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Hart was in the correct position. 9 out of 10 stikers would have struck straight shot toward the far post. Hart had this covered. It was Balotelli's brilliance to chip it. Jagelka was expected to cover, and thats exactly what he did. Great skills from Mario.
Hart was in the correct position. 9 out of 10 stikers would have struck straight shot toward the far post. Hart had this covered. It was Balotelli's Suarez's brilliance to chip head it. Jagelka was expected to cover, and thats exactly what he did. Great skills from Mario Luis.
Never Hart at fault, is it.
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Another very poor England defensive performance lost us the game - again!
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England's Premier League is admired around the world. However, when itcomes to putting an England team together, well, most of the top teams are made up of foreign players. Time we concentrated on bring on more young talent.
Liverpool are one of the teams that has more English players which is why the team was made up of them.
Shame it had to be a Liverpool non British player that knocked us out.
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We didn't win many World Cups in the 70s & 80s when there were very few foreign players in the English top flight.
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We scored one goal in two games and very few shots on target, that's not a defensive problem
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Did we see some subtle,for a team mate, match fix for the second goal. Gerrard missed or glanced the ball to Suarez who then scored the winner.
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To Scunner, we did win one World Cup with a great team in the sixties .
Apollo that is absolutely disgusting statement and a terrible slur on one of England's greatest footballers hang you head in shame. I think we all know Gerrard would never do such a thing.
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Hart was in the correct position. 9 out of 10 stikers would have struck straight shot toward the far post. Hart had this covered. It was Balotelli's brilliance to chip it. Jagelka was expected to cover, and thats exactly what he did. Great skills from Mario.
Hart was in the correct position. 9 out of 10 stikers would have struck straight shot toward the far post. Hart had this covered. It was Balotelli's Suarez's brilliance to chip head it. Jagelka was expected to cover, and thats exactly what he did. Great skills from Mario Luis.
Whatever.
Never Hart at fault, is it.
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He's about as good an international goalkeeper as you are at using reply with quote :D
Seen most things but never a reply in the middle of someone's post :)
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I haven't given up :-)
Let's say, conservatively, that Italy beat Costa Rica and Uruguay by 1-0 each and it is in their interest to finish top of the group. That would leave Uruguay at a -2 goal difference, putting them back on the same level as England. Costa Rica would still have a +1 goal difference.
But for every goal England then scores in England v Costa Rica, the English side's goal difference goes up while Costa Rica's goes down. If England beats Costa Rica by 2-0, that would put Costa Rica on a -1 goal difference — and England on a big fat zero and 3 teams with 3 points!!!
That would be good enough for England to squeak through to the next round in second place. (It doesn't matter how much Italy beat Uruguay by — just that they beat them).
So come on Super Mario - give it your best :-)
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We scored one goal in two games and very few shots on target, that's not a defensive problem
Which goal did you sleep through Andy, the Sturridge one or the Rooney one? ;)
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Can't blame Stevie G ,for Luis goal,he was in the air, Luis picked up on it very quickly , how could Stevie defy gravity, the out of form players should have been dropped, and Woy lost it, we were not good enough, simple. My worry is that we will lose Luis now, big bucks will be coming in for him, :(
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I think that in this game Gerrard has had his day. Looked average and did not dominate midfield...........
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Suarez was hardly a secret weapon. Our England captain is his club captain and provisions should have been made to "play him out". Don't ask me how but Nobby Stiles/Eusebio springs to mind some years ago :(
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In the old days Suarez would have been tackled hard in the first five minutes - let him worry you are there!
SG has been poor both games - he looks knackered! Barkley would have had much more impact I think.
Ref bottled a sending off as well - but we expect that I guess. Had it been Rooney or Gerrard they would have walked!
Oh well - Italia fan tonight and hope we still have something to play for on Tuesday :)
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Let's bank quite frank, we don't have a single world class player in our squad. We've been deluding ourselves for years that we're a good football team, when in fact, we are probably 10 years behind the rest of europe in technical ability. We let a 35 year old player dictate the entire pace of the game against Italy & no-one and I really mean no-one in our midfield was good enough the lace Pirlo's boots. We got what we deserved-nothing.No good the pundits having a pop at Rooney. He looked as p*ssed off playing wide as I was watching him play there and if Johnson is an quality international full-back, then I'm a Villa fan.
As for last nights debacle, a half fit Suarez made our defence look a laughing stock. Why on earth was no-one glued to him from the kick -off. I'll tell you why- we don't have a defender capaple of doing the job on him. Time to let the old guard retire from international football & give the youngsters like Sterling,Shaw, Barclay, Wilshire,Walcott(when fit), Jones,Smalling etc the opportunity to express themselves.
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Could we appeal :-)
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12 minutes left and Costa Rica still beating Italy 1 - 0, it certainly looks like we are going out tonight which in my opinion is a blessing in disguise before we get a real hammering from one of the good sides in the competition.
Not only are we not good enough but there seems to be a distinct lack of pride in pulling the England jersey on these days. Look at Costa Rica a population of less than 5 Million and they have been playing with so much pride and passion
Roy should have left Rooney at home, he has never done the business for England and is so over paid and extremely over rated. It is now time to for a total clear out and to start preparing for the next world cup.
Well we are off home Wednesday morning!!!
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It is now time to for a total clear out and to start preparing for the next world cup.
And we will have the Euros in two years time to use as an indicator regarding whether things have improved or not.
The clear-out has to start NOW.
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I think it is perhaps quite simple - they just don't think they are good enough to win the World Cup. Haven't really been since they won it in '66. They are correct, they aren't - but the self loving, arrogance of the Germans, Italians, Brazilians and all the great sides has never been evident in the England teams at major tournaments.
We look like we know we can't win it, play like one of those recurring dreams when you are being chased but your legs are too heavy to get away and even the simplest passes are a struggle to complete.
Our best WC in recent times was 1990, and for a moment then, we looked like a team that could beat anyone. But even that took an age to show itself - anyone remember the frustration that was the 3 group games then?
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Was there anybody on CBF who actually forecast England to get to the final and win it? cant be anybody that daft on here surely, personally I think Englands performance has been Abysmal. :(
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No
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Highlander, Scott and Lisa and some chap called The Billet?
"For you Johnny the war is over" ;D
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Unless the belief of club before country is finished then nothing will change.
There is probably only one person who believes in the England team and that is Mr. Hodgson. Most "fans " cry crocodile tears over England but don't really care, as long as their club team performs.
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I think the England team have shown how deserving they are of their salaries and reputations.
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Over-rated prima donnas.No passion,No pride. :(
We got what we deserved,nothing.
When players like Terry Butcher,Tony Adams,Stuart Pearce,David beckham pulled on the England shirt you could see what it meant to them.
Our defence was poor in the warm up games and this continued into the WC.
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No
I thought not John, knew you would be the guy to give an honest answer. ;) ;) ;)
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No pun intended but I read the most brilliant tweet after England's loss to Uruguay:
"Football is coming home" by the illustrious Jeremy Clarkson.
James May kept it short: "Oh, c*ck"
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Started watching England v Costa (nice to see Paulo Wanchop on the coaching staff - could have done with him on the pitch) it was like San Marino v Lichtenstein but without the passion so switched over to Italy v Uruguay.
80 mins in Suarez headbutts an Italian defender who admittedly had been "loose" with his arm as they jumped together but then Suarez appears to do his speciality "a rolling bite" !!
The defender is clearly appalled running at the referee with his shoulder bared to show him the marks!
Uruguay were horrible in the final few minutes - even though the Italians are no saints - pulling people down, feigning injury so I hope they go out soon - but Suarez - if he did and it looks like he did - needs sorting out and is a disgrace to Liverpool.
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Be along in a minute or two..... ;)
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switched on to itv 4 to watch the build up to a game that really mattered in this world cup. got 5 minutes before the teams came out. roll on tomorrow when maybe, just maybe the "panel" will focus on the the teams STILL LEFT in the world cup. have a nice flight home.