Calis Beach and Fethiye Turkey Discussion Forum
Calis Beach Forum => Calis Local Charity Announcements => Topic started by: Chris Kayak on September 23, 2017, 15:02:49 PM
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PLEASE NOTE TOMORROW'S CAR BOOT IS GOING AHEAD AS PLANNED.
There are malicious rumours that it has been cancelled. It is not.
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Malicious? Surely inaccurate or misinformed rather than malicious?
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I believe the "malicious rumors" is aimed at me, some people asked earlier if the car boot sale was going ahead tomorrow, I had previously seen Liz had posted to say it was cancelled and first one would now be October, I know Liz is very in the know about a lot of things re here,so I Posted on the fb thread to inform folk it was cancelled rather then some possibly having a wasted trip, now it appears it is back on. My intentions were in no shape or form intended as malicious contrary to what I have been accused of lately, next time I shall just not bother...
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Hardly malicious karennina! Rather unfair comment I think >:(
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And breathe everyone - this is in danger of getting out of hand.
It seems to me that there has been a big misunderstanding of what people have been meaning.
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Don't beat yourself up Karen.. It's just how things get out of hand sometimes in Calis.. I think that malicious was the wrong word.. Ignore the post..
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Like Mercury's said Karennina ignore the post. It was certainly not aimed at you and the charity know that you have been a good supporter of the 3Cs over the years. You did what you thought was a good turn advising people on FB and I would have done the same. There has been a genuine misunderstanding somewhere along the line. Anyhow hope the car boot was a great success and raised lots of money for the charity today.
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Hi All
Apologies to you Karennina, the post was most certainly not aimed at you.
Thank you for advising it was Liz who made the post.
Unfortunately Liz, who has also done a sterling job for the charity, had no right to put a post anywhere as she resigned from 3 C's Charity on 31st August this year and would not have had any update information regarding the Car Boot Sale.
If anyone requires information in the future on Car Boots, Christmas Fayre or any other 3 C's event would they please go to the 3 C's facebook site.
Once again, apologies to anyone who took the post the wrong way.
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Thanks everyone for kind messages...no problem Chris thanks for apologising and i too hope the boot sale raised a lot for the charity...
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So you are saying Liz acted maliciously? I can’t quite see that either.
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So you are saying Liz acted maliciously? I can’t quite see that either.
Nor I, especially given the time and effort she's put into the 3C's over the years.
JF
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All I am saying is it looks like someone tried to Jeopardise the event because apart from the post (which in some peoples opinion was a misunderstanding, fair comment) then why were ALL of the posters also taken down because it wasn't anyone from 3 C's.
Thankfully, the cancelled event post, didn't reach too many people so the event went ahead and raised a good amount for the charity.
Thanks for everyone who attended.
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Have you ever thought of a career in PR Chris
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.....it looks like someone tried to Jeopardise the event......
If by someone you mean Liz, why on earth would she want to do such a thing given the service she has given the charity over the years.
There have been times, especially recently, when we have met Liz and seen how tired she was from all the running around she was having to do for the charity.
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Hi Chris.. If is normal for ALL 3cs events to also be advertised on here as this forum has been the biggest supporter of The charity long before FB and not everyone uses FB.. You are correct that Liz has left the charity but like a lot of us who were on the committee for years probably thought that she was being helpful.. She is highly regarded on here.. Anyway onwards and upwards.. You will notice quite a few ex. Committee making comments.. It took a lot of our hours and years up and is a hard act to follow after we leave.. Good luck to you all..
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Hi Mercury
I posted on CBF FB site on 20th Sept the day the Municipality confirmed the dates we could have.
We applied for 2 car boots a month which was originally agreed then unfortunately they changed their minds, that is why the post went out so late.
Also I was not aware that all posts had to go on this forum.
If this is the case, what's the point of having a FB site?
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Probably because, as Mercury said, not everyone uses FB, and some of those people will have been members on this forum, and supported the 3C's, for a long time.
Surely better to reach out to as many people as possible rather than just those on FB!
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I was not aware
Strikes me that there is a lot you are unaware of in relation to CBF, it's members and the relationship it has the 3C's...
JF
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Probably because, as Mercury said, not everyone uses FB, and some of those people will have been members on this forum, and supported the 3C's, for a long time.
Surely better to reach out to as many people as possible rather than just those on FB!
Correct marina - first post by the charity over 10 years ago on August 25 2007
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I would suggest that you speak to Peter and Chissie who if you have not done your homework started the charity and look back at some of the posts on THIS forum.. Look up Bozalan... for a start... THIS FORUM has raised more money for The Carnival committee and The 3CS than FB ever has.and continues to have . You should NOT be offending them and yes you have annoyed me... Do your homework!!! How long have you been on this committee.? Do not be insulting people who have been there done the T. Shirt long before you came on The Scene..This forum has raised thousands and thousands and still allows The 3Cs to do the auction on THIS site. While we are at it.. Who do you think organised the Rod Stewart nights in the first place Liz.. Who do you think used her car at 530 every month? for the boot sales. Sorted the stuff out for the boot sales. Liz.. Accountant? Liz... Bozalan You tube... Ten thousand pounds this forum raised in three weeks... Not everyone is on Facebook or wants to be on your forum....
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Sorry Scunner. H. etc.. I just couldn't let it go this time..
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You certainly didn't miss and hit the wall...
:)
JF
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We did a lot of things, nice to read someone who hasn't got a short memory.
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Well said Anne yesterday i was prepared to live and let live after receiving an apology, however from the start why did the word " malicious" ever have to have been used, how about mis communication ( if such a word exists) and I cant believe someone would stoop soo low as to practically say Liz has took down posters advertising a poxy car boot sale, beggars believe to be honest after all the years and hard work Liz has devoted to the charity...kids having a laugh springs to my mind re removing posters, rather like for fun when they wee in the mud baths overnight before unsuspecting tourists happily smother themselves in said mud the next day...
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I think that's how many of us feel Karen - it's like Liz has hung up her boots after years of physically draining work and those replacing her need to discredit her. I know Liz and it will never succeed. THe 'malicious' bit annoyed me, but what really p1553d me off was this later comment
All I am saying is it looks like someone tried to Jeopardise the event because apart from the post (which in some peoples opinion was a misunderstanding, fair comment)
The 'malicious' remark is removed, and someone (Liz) is accused of trying to jeopardise the event. Quick jump to suggesting that 'a misunderstanding' is fair comment
Something like 'a misunderstanding that could have jeopardised the event' would be fine but it doesn't say that. The accusation of trying to jeopardise the event remains - i.e. the implication that this was done deliberately, to harm the charity.
My feeling is that if the legacy of Liz's time irritates, try and build a bigger one. Don't try and discredit what went before. Having lived in Calis, I know a bit about this sort of mentality.
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Pete and I have just flown into Turkey tonight and cannot believe these ridiculous accusations aimed at Liz, one of the most hard working former members of the 3Cs committee.
We have no idea who you are Chris kayak or where you came from but assume you are a new member of the 3Cs committee. For your information Pete and I started the 3Cs charity and acted as Chairman and secretary of the charity for 8 years both in its previous role as Calis Carnival Committee and latterly the 3Cs. Liz has been the treasurer of the charity for many years and one of the most dedicated members of the committee for whom we hold much respect.
CBF and all its members have also been the most supportive forum for all this time, long before FB became the platform that it is and you would be very unwise to lose this channel and the support of its members.
We can only think that you are new to the charity.and so have no idea of its history and we suggest that you read through some of the previous annual reports which give history of the charity and it's very close link to CBF and joint projects undertaken, particularly the Bozalan project. We also suggest that you pay particular attention to Liz's meticulous annual accounts which always took her many weeks to compile. During her time Liz spent most of her waking hours tirelessly working for the charity and would be the last one to wish it harm. Although we have tried to keep a low profile since we retired from office 2 years ago, if you wish to discuss this matter further and to learn how the charity developed, the philosphy behind it and the reasons why things are done in such a way we are quite happy to meet with you at any time for the good of the charity.
Regarding the matter of missing posters we have always known from day 1 that the Turkish people remove the posters themselves so that they know when the car boot sales are.
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Piggy
Thank you for your post.
I believe that it sums up concisely what many people were thinking.
That having been said I will post what I have been compiling and which I think echo your sentiments.
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My thoughts are as follows and are in no particular order (before pi55y).
The present committee and workers are giving up their time trying to help local impoverished and underprivileged children. That is to be admired.
However, I do believe that in this instance they have clearly made an error. That’s OK – we all make mistakes. But if they recognise that as being the case, then I do believe that they need to acknowledge that and apologise to Liz.
The 3C’s was set up many yeas ago (2007 ?). Those involved in the creation of the charity and it’s development t over the intervening years would be the very first to admit that they made mistakes along the way.
But they learned from those mistakes and their experience in running a charity in Turkey must be invaluable. So I would respectfully suggest that if advice is offered then it is at least considered.
Finally, we all have the same goal in this matter – to try and help the kids. So let us extend the hand of friendship to each other put whatever has happened over the last few days behind us and get on with helping the kids
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Well said H. Always the peacemaker :) :) :)
Ours was a very garbled response, tired after hours of travelling.
You are right, we all make mistakes and that is how we all learn to make things better. In this case Chris has gone about things the wrong way, we suspect through lack of knowledge and diplomacy. Hopefully we trust that he has now learnt through his mistake and that the charity will benefit and grow stronger as a result, particularly as he is now aware of the importance of this forum and keeping it's members informed of the charity's activities .
But we do feel that a public apology should be made to Liz before a line can be drawn under this matter.
The charity can then get on with what it was formed to do, helping to improve the lives of disadvantaged children.
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Having dealt with Liz over the years I feel I can categorically state that Liz would never ever do anything to harm the charity and a public apology from the new brooms should be one of their highest priorities at the moment.
I am one of those that does not do Facebook and if that is the only outlet for finding out what is going on I shall probably miss these events when I am over.
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I recently left the 3cs and have no idea who this Chris is.
I do know however that the committee is desperately short of volunteers and his attitude will seriously have an impact on new volunteers joining.
Anyone thinking of joining please look past this.
I made some great friendships as a result of joining the committee and they're a very dedicated hardworking passionate team.
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I cannot believe some of the comments on this post.
Please read the post, the original wording is "there are malicious rumours" no names or blame mentioned.
I have NOT said Liz is malicious I have NOT said Liz took down the posters.
It's just people jumping to conclusions and reacting to other peoples posts.
One of my posts actually praised Liz "for the "sterling job" she had done "for the charity"
But hey if it's a public apology you all require then I apologise unreservedly for any imputation of incorrectness in the posting.
This is the last log in to this site for me so everyone can now say what they like.
Goodbye
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And with that, my support for the Charity ceases. I’m sure they’ll survive without me (and my website).
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Please re consider Keith.. The support for The 3cs is dependent on this site... Highlander uses it as a platform for his many fund raising ideas.. It would be more than a shame to let one little cretin spoil all that you have done for the charity in previous years... They rely on you... Linda is correct.. We made lots of friends on the committee and still are friends today even though we are most of us far flung now.... It is a great way to make friends... I think this Chris Guy was a poor example of what the charity stands for.. I hope you will think about it. PLEEESE.. xx
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Not CBF Anne, just me.
CBF is always open for Highlander and everyone else to publicise events and raise money. Whether the charities appreciate it or not...
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My thoughts exactly Anne.
I can't pretend that the comments made by Chris Kayak didn't hurt, whether he / she meant them personally (or not, as he / she claims). Yes, I have recently resigned from the committee, but would not like to see any irreparable damage done to 3C's, as a result of this unfortunate debacle.
I'd also like to thank everyone for their messages of support & admit to being touched by many of them.
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being touched by many of them.
Ooer missus ;)
JF
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Give over you have always been touched
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I think maybe we should move on now. This is will not do the charity any good...
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whether he / she meant them personally (or not, as he / she claims)
A man's name is Chris Tatam who I believe is an administrator of the Calis Children's Charity Page on that other place.
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Any apology that starts “If it’s an apology you want...” is worth f-all and as such we still await an apology to Liz because while this calamity of a man can say he didn’t call her malicious, he did - just didn’t have the balls to come out with it directly. Indirectly it was quite obviously about her.
Liz is a chum and he isn’t fit to lace her boots let alone criticise her in public.
I have said my piece and agree we should move on, clinging to the vague hope that the wonderful Calis Children’s Charity has any hope of a future thanks to being represented by muppets like him.
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he isn’t fit to lick her boots
There you go, fixed it for you :)
JF
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I thought you'd altered the last word too for a minute :o
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I would just like to say that I've met Liz on a few occasions in regards to hiring the wheelchair etc from the 3cs....and she always came across as a caring and kind human being.I know from the posts on here that she is held in high regards. Having gone over to retire, Liz ended up working harder for the 3cs than she must have done in her 'pre-Turkey life'. I wish her all the best in her now well earned 'proper' retirement.
As for the 'new administration' in the 3cs I wish them well, but I fear that the damage to the charity has already been done.
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Liz seems to be bearing up :).
Mind you not sure of the company she is keeping ;) ;) ;)
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Liz seems to be bearing up :)
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Thank Goodness.
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I sincerely hope as an ex member of The 3cs that this does not stop the supporters of them... The only sufferers would be the children that they are helping.. To be perfectly honest this guy isn't the only newbie that came along and thought that he knew better than the likes of Busy Bee and if course Peter and Chrissie who started years ago.. They come and they go but there are those and I count myself in this who give their heart and soul to help the children.. The charity had changed not only the children's lives but the families of the children as well... Disabled kids who have never owned a wheelchair and their parents are still carrying them up and down the stairs when they are 15 years old. and are so excited when their first time out of the house is the supermarket in an electric wheelchair provided by the charity. Profoundly disabled children who now have physio equipment.. The disabled school a who has assistants paid for by The charity . Children who have been able to hear until the charity pays for them hearing implants..and speech therapy. Imagine how that changes lives.. The dozens and dozens of schools who have asked for help over the years.. The battered wives refuge which is now fully equipped.. Orphanages who have been equipped..
I would ask that you think about the children in all this.. There are several past committee members who are still committed to this charity and H.. who still is..
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As a member of the 3C's committee, I feel great sadness as do other committee members after being made aware recently of the postings regarding the car boor fair dates.
We feel we must apologise for the inappropriate wording used. It was never meant to cause insult to anyone and was not aimed at any particular CBF member.
We work as hard as we can to raise much needed funds for underprivileged children in the area, as have all of the committee and volunteers over the past 10 years or so. We have also had such wonderful support over the years from CBF and it's members. It is therefore very upsetting to read these comments. Liz has been a very hardworking member of the 3C'S for for many years and her input has been invaluable.
She will be missed as a key part of the team and we wish her well.
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From this can we now assume that Chris Kayak has gone back to his/her previous job as head of diplomacy in North Korea.
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See my earlier post re Chris Kayak.
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Thank you Cathy for responding to this posting on behalf if the 3Cs committee. It is good to know that the present committee recognise and appreciate the tireless input that Liz has had in the work of the charity over the years and wish her well in her retirement. It is also good that they recognise the support of Keith, this forum and its members and are both saddened and upset that the misplaced inappropriate comments of this particular individual (who I now understand has only been a member of the charity for a couple of months) could not only undermine what has been a very successful and rewarding 10 year fundraising relationship with CBF but could also cause a great deal of harm to the charity itself.
Pete and I really do hope that now the committee have responded and clarified the situation that Keith and the forum members will continue to support the 3Cs in their tireless work of helping to improve the lives of disadvantaged youngsters.
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Please can someone confirm for me the dates of the 3Cs car boot sales, as I cannot find them on here. Thanks
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This winters car boot dates
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