Calis Beach and Fethiye Turkey Discussion Forum
General Topics => The Debating Chamber => Topic started by: teetee on November 27, 2013, 09:01:25 AM
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Having read about this subject yesterday and today there is nothing in my mind that can come anywhere near understanding how people can carry out this kind of act. Then I find out the following:
"The court was told the two women who stood alongside Watkins in the dock sexually abused their own children and made them available to Watkins for him to abuse."
I sincerely hope these "things" get the kind of justice they deserve in prison as this will be the only place it will happen or alternatively put these sick animals down......
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I've avoided reading a lot of the stuff as I find it so difficult to read.
The overwhelming majority of us will never understand, anyway who wants to understand? It's beyond comprehension. And that mothers could engineer such acts, equally matches Watkin's special kind of evil.
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incredulous! I read an interview with his parents this morning, how do you live with the knowledge you gave life to such a piece of s****!
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It's an appropriate case for a 9mm lead injection in the back of their heads.
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I would hand them all over to The Turkish community.. Evil bit***s.. At least he pleaded guilty.. Sick..
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Totally agree with you KKOB. A "double tap" just behind the ear would do it !! >:( >:( >:( >:(
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I would hand them all over to The Turkish community.. Evil bit***s.
If only there was someone else of this type who could be handed over to them more readily.
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I have walked past, or rather around this thread, without looking in, but as usual I couldn't help myself, I had to look at what was going to be a train wreck of a thread, and I wasn't disappointed. So I will try, as I have done in similar threads, to bring a more considered response.
To all my good friends in the mob above baying for for blood around this metaphorical castle of a thread, could I ask you to put your pitchforks and fire-sticks down for a moment and consider some of the things you are advocating.
Justice has been done they have been found guilty, sentencing them should mean that they are locked away for a very very long time, whole life life sentence preferred, but to then want some scum of a prisoner - who is likely locked up for some violent or series of crimes - to then provide a further level of violent punishment on behalf of society is perverse. to expect and then in some way ennoble the scum who do this in prison, supposedly on behalf of society or laughably on behalf of the victim, is not my idea of justice.
As to giving them to the Turks to deliver up punishment, it is almost laughable given almost universal condemnation of Turkish justice, penal code and punishment now and in the past. No thank you not in my name.
And finally are people implying that the Turks do not have problems similar or even worse than this recent UK case, and therefore are fit and proper people to carry out punishment on our behalf, I think not. like the UK of Forty years ago the victims are almost certainly not believed by the authorities, most of the abuse is carried out in the family or in areas of society where the a abusers are in control.
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I started this thread as I was surprised that no one else had and not because I felt comfortable with the subject.
UBT whilst I appreciate your considered response these kind of situations provoke a less logical and more emotional reaction.
I for one do not feel comfortable with tax payers money being used to keep these people either well or alive and as we do not have a mechanism in place in this country to deal with people like these then only way that they will be dealt with is by people similar to them with a more base code of "values".
If you live in the jungle you have to accept the laws of the jungle and this is what will happen whether we agree with it or not, it is the way to things work in prison the world over and no one has a solution.
It is not what we in the UK could call proper justice but it could be deemed to be the kind of primitive response that most ordinary people understand.
I have never heard any sympathy offered to any of those who has been found guilty of terrible crimes when they have either killed themselves or been killed in prison, why, because we generally look at this as justice even though outside of prison we would call this murder.
As for what happens in other counties that is another matter all together and not relevant to this topic.
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Teetee an interesting response, but you should remember that thankfully in the UK you live in a civilised society not the jungle.
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I wonder, UBT, if you would be so far minded and level headed had one of the children been your own.
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Well that's an interesting point in this particular case, as it was the parent who carried out or helped to carry out the abuse. Indeed, sadly most child abuse is carried out within a family.
Thankfully no it was not my children, and I wouldn't seek to use my children to make assessment of justice either, as indeed I would not seek to put it onto any other person or their children.
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A very balanced and level headed response UBT. For the record I am a placid and easy going sort of person. If it ever happened to one of my children I would have the perpetrator hanging by the fingernails in the garage.
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Step away from the castle and gently put the pitchfork down........ Now your feeling better already. ;)
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One thread on Ian Watkins but what about the victims? I sincerely hope that they, unlike those who were the subject of sustained institutional abuse e.g. within religions and other institutions, do not get forgotten. I hope they get what ever help and compassion they need to deal with the trauma of his unspeakable abuse and, in some cases, the absence of a caring and right minded parent.
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Step away from the castle and gently put the pitchfork down........ Now your feeling better already. ;)
You seem to wish to imply I am uncontrollably angry or feeling anarchic over this. You couldn't be further from the case.
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Keith ... I figure that if I keep prodding you with the pitchfork, you'll get angry and anarchic.
Billet for the second time today I have to say you have got it spot on. Please don't make me develop a habit of this, otherwise I'll lose my membership of the awkward squad.
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UBT I may live or believe that I live in what you term a civilized country but that would not be the case in one of HMP's that houses the less than civilized individuals that are guilty of crimes that "normal" people would find unforgivable and unacceptable.
As such these eatablishments could be termed the jungle and the rules of the jungle will no doubt prevail.
And finally may I suggest that you stop prodding other people with a pitchfork as I fear that that could lead to a term in the jungle ;) ;)
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Dirty horrible sick b*****ds ,I hope they die in pain
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Is that on the end of a pitchfork?
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Whilst I understand your point of view UBT I am unsure as to whether I totally agree. I am a firm believer that we should suffer the full consequences of our actions. It is one of the main building blocks of civilisation. When I say consequences I mean punishment that befits the severity of the crime. Sending someone to a cushy jail for a long time where there is an army of human rights people ensuring they are cared for very well with most modern luxuries doesn't do it for me I'm afraid.
If our jails were facilities where the inmates are invited to work hard for the very basics of food and shelter then I think it might begin to start making sense. Whilst not working for their keep they should be made to sit and silently reflect on the crime(s) they have committed and the harm they have caused. I would venture however that someone like Ian Watkins, like a deranged animal is beyond rehabilitation and should be simply put to sleep for his own good.
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Piscoe did I advocate that jail should be a soft cushy number? No I didn't, nor do I believe that it should be so, but I draw the line at going to prison for punishment, particularly some sort of vigilante punishment by other prisoners, rather than as it should be as a punishment in itself through the loss of liberty, rights, and the privileges of a civilised society
And let's not sugar coat these things, he's not the family pet whose time has sadly come that he should be put to sleep. You want the State to kill him on your behalf, that's what you want and you should say so, let's not get socially liberal in our interpretation on what is being advocated here.
Is it possible to sugar coat ones pitchfork? ;)
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UBT in your case I am sure you can sugar coat yours ;)
He will suffer at the hands of someone in prison who thinks that he has crossed a line and should be punished, even though the person making this decision is most likely in a similar situation and not in a position to take the "law" in to their own hands and administer the punishment that they feel Watkins deserves, a good beating or murder.
As we do not have the death penalty and are unlikely to get it I strongly believe that those in prison should not have the comforts that they appear to have and should be kept in the most basic manner possible. This will not happen and most prisons are run in such a way as to not unset the inmates hence the proliferation of drugs etc
Make prison a punishment it should be and not the way it is.
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UBT, I do believe there are such crimes that should be defined as sub-human and as such the perpetrators should be treated in that manner. A court can order an animal to be put to sleep (for the avoidance of doubt I mean kill so as not to "sugar coat" ;) so I would like to see the death penalty introduced for those who commit such terrible crimes.
No you didn't advocate jails should be a cushy number but they are and thats a fact. So much so that they fail to offer punishment even for far lesser crimes than what we are talking about here so are in fact unfit for purpose. The only loss inmates suffer is liberty and even then the actual sentence served is about a third. They don't lose rights nor do they lose privileges of a civilised society. On that basis do you not agree that the system we have today does not work?
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Give me a pitchfork and access to Ian Brady and i'll show you how to make the punishment fit the crime,
but I think I would have to take my place in the queue.
He's slaughtered 5 kids, claims to have slaughtered 4 adults, wrecked the lives of his victims families,
bleated about HIS rights, laughed at the rest of us and cost us an absolute fortune.
He should have been buried alive on the moors 12 months after his victims.
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Not sure how Brady segued into this thread but worth remembering that he hated his life sentence, tried taking his own life several times, went to court for the right to do so. I suppose the difference was that he knew his life sentence was a life sentence. Some liberals might even view that keeping Brady alive all this time was a 'cruel and unusual punishment', so you didn't need a pitchfork Kevin, it looks like his punishment did fit the crime.
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His victims parents and families suffered far more than him UBT.
The connection with Ian Watkins is 2 b##stards destroying kids
so I make no apology. ;)
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Just wait for like minded ,evil, sick b*****ds "inter- trading" his bands DVD's for exorbitant, sick amounts of money, in some kind of paedophilic hero worshipping cult !!
And finally, UBT, do you have ANY belief in The Bible ?? just asking mind, but WOULD like an answer.