Calis Beach and Fethiye Turkey Discussion Forum
General Topics => The Debating Chamber => Topic started by: usedbustickets on November 26, 2015, 09:11:05 AM
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Let me say at the outset I wouldn't vote for the man, and even less his rag bag party of the disgruntled disposed; self regarding; racist; semi fascist; and not very smart members. However, below is a speech Farage recently made at the European Parliament that makes me think that he could lead a successful campaign on the single issue of the UK's exit from the EC via the upcoming referendum. You may not agree with everything, or indeed anything, he says in the speech, but here he does deliver a smart, balanced and barnstorming speech, focused on key simple points, devoid of any party political or jingoistic points. On this evidence, if he can carry this on into the campaign - when it actually starts - he could have the biggest single impact on the referendum, and he could do enough on his own to bring about a UK exit.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R5lXYw1l8l0
I must say that best of all in the speech was the looks on the faces of Chancellor Merkel and President Hollande at what he was saying. Merkel looks like a bulldog chewing a wasp, and Hollande looks like he is a bunny caught in the headlights of an oncoming car. Worth watching for the looks on those faces alone ;D ;D ;D
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One swallow does not maketh a summer.
JF
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One swallow makes a hell of a mess on a wall when making a nest.
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Farage is the sort of chap who would a blind man over a cliff.
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Help, lead or push?
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Yes you may not like the man and think that his politics stink, but on the single issue of the referendum can you also see that he may just have what it takes to lead the campaign and take the UK out. Similar, to a limited extent, to Churchill in the run up too and the early stages of WW2, and indeed De Gaulle during WW2 and after it with the creation of the fifth republic.
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Similar, to a limited extent
Extremely limited... in fact, minutely.
JF
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Help, lead or push?
Sorry Scorcher, I intended the missing word to be "lead".
UBT, I thought this speech much better than previous EU Parliament speeches I have heard by him that were based mostly on petty personal abuse. Whether this is enough for him to lead an OUT campaign I doubt. The Outers are already divided into three different campaigns {UKIP being one of them} that don't seem to want to speak to each other and if Britain does vote OUT then I am sure each one will insist it was their doing. However, he does make one very strong point that has concerned me this year. In one word - Greece. I am sure that, nearer the referendum, CBF will have a thread dealing with the IN/OUT vote for the issues to be debated more generally. For me the German persecution of Greece on political rather than economic/financial grounds will be a major concern. Even the IMF, an arch-capitalist outfit, proposed that half of the Greek debt should be "forgiven" but this was rejected by German politicians performing for their own voters and responding to the demands of the German banks that were daft enough to over extend themselves in Greece in the first place. Greece had to made to suffer, perhaps for a whole generation, to appease German appetites for retribution.
{In this tirade I have quite wrongly generalized about all of Germany so should insert "some" in front of "Germans" and "German banks" and "German politicians". But tirades don't really work when you start messing about them in this way].
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Similar, to a limited extent, to Churchill in the run up too and the early stages of WW2, and indeed De Gaulle during WW2 and after it with the creation of the fifth republic.
I think that the similarity is more with Horatio Bottomley MP, but NF hasn't been caught yet.
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Farage is a brilliant speaker and seems in tune with a large slice of the population. Not afraid to kick a few kennels either.
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Next weeks local election will be the litmus test. If he wins as many votes from labour as he thinks he will then it cold be the beginning of the end for Corbyn.
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Stoop do you mean next year's local elections? Yes UKIP has shown that it is capable of taking votes from Labour, even before Corbyn, but is unlikely to win many more councillors than their high water mark 2-3 years back, and their impact on the Labour vote in Parliamentary elections earlier this year. UKIP have shown when it comes to it they do not beat the Tories. As indeed has no challenge to the dominant single right wing party in the UK (or perhaps that should be England) has ever been successful - whether from the right or the left - and UKIP will be no different.
I think Farage recognises that now and UKIP - under his direction - will be refocused on its original single issue purpose, EU exit, through the referendum campaign. Rather than being a broad based party with a wide programme of policies for government. We shall see how Farage works with the other 'out' groups, but I rather suspect he will lead and they will be forced to follow. I suspect that Cameron will regret playing the referendum card to placate his right wing 'exiteers', because if he loses the referendum and the UK exits, that will be his single political legacy ..... not much for the political headstone!! ;D ;D
Those taking issue with the comparison with Churchill and De Guale, I accept your points on comparison with political giants, but the point I was trying to make was, despite their unpopularity at that time with huge swathes of the British and French population, respectively, they did carry the day in the end ..... cometh the hour .... cometh the man! ;)
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Keep up UBT, Stoop is on about the by-election to be held on 3 December 2015 in the constituency of Oldham West and Royton in Greater Manchester following the death of Michael Meacher.
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Keep up UBT, Stoop is on about the by-election to be held on 3 December 2015 in the constituency of Oldham West and Royton in Greater Manchester following the death of Michael Meacher.
I am keeping up. Stoop referred to 'next week's local election' which is why I queried it. For almost forty years I worked in many Parliamentary by-elections and too many to count local elections, which is why I know the difference between the two. : :)
Distraction dealt with ..... now let's get back on the original subject of Farage ;)