Calis Beach and Fethiye Turkey Discussion Forum
General Topics => The Debating Chamber => Topic started by: Highlander on February 12, 2016, 22:30:00 PM
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The Highland Council have had 800 employees apply for voluntary redundancy.
My question is why should government employees be entitled to more lucrative redundancy than the general public.
Serious response would be appreciated.
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Simple answer......They shouldn't be.
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Are they more lucrative? In What way :)
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What has this to do with Calis or Turkey. ??? ???
Surely this kind of post would be more applicable on a truly Scottish forum.
Sadly CBF seems to attract more and more non "Turkish"specific posts these days.(just as this reply).
Take today's posts for instance, at present (9:15 am) there are 17 posts, 12 of which are nothing to do with Turkey.
TC :( :(
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They shouldn't be but they have obviously added an incentive to get people to take up the VR.
Obviously with 800 volunteers the incentive is very good.
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What has this to do with Calis or Turkey. ??? ???
Surely this kind of post would be more applicable on a truly Scottish forum.
Sadly CBF seems to attract more and more non "Turkish"specific posts these days.(just as this reply).
Take today's posts for instance, at present (9:15 am) there are 17 posts, 12 of which are nothing to do with Turkey.
TC :( :(
Official response: The content and makeup of both forum posters and content posted evolves over the years - there's nothing wrong with that, it's just the way of online forums. Given the number of folks previously resident in Turkey who are leaving/have left it's hardly surprising that the topics posted reflect that shift.
Personal response: If it bothers you that much why don't you (metaphorically speaking) get off your arse and redress the balance by starting topics you feel are more suitable.
JF
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My question is why should government employees be entitled to more lucrative redundancy than the general public.
Ludicrous statement. Voluntary redundancy schemes, by virtue of their nature, must be lucrative else no-one would apply - this is true of all sectors of industry, public or otherwise.
JF
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During my lengthy career with EssexCC Education Dept, I was involved with numerous redundancy procedures. Without exception, every person taking redundancy was given the statutory pay out. I only came across "golden handshakes" if an employee was in a position to resign or be dismissed, and that was to avoid much more costly legal proceedings!
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Ludicrous statement. Voluntary redundancy schemes, by virtue of their nature, must be lucrative else no-one would apply - this is true of all sectors of industry, public or otherwise.
JF
My question was more lucrative
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Ludicrous statement. Voluntary redundancy schemes, by virtue of their nature, must be lucrative else no-one would apply - this is true of all sectors of industry, public or otherwise.
JF
My question was more lucrative
Your evidence that they are more lucrative than the private sector?
JF
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What has this to do with Calis or Turkey. ??? ???
Surely this kind of post would be more applicable on a truly Scottish forum.
Forgive me for posting this in General Topics rather than Turkey Related Topics aghhhhhhhhh !
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Nothing concrete just a commonly held belief around here.
My point is that they should not be just because the people work for the Government.
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I know around three years ago Birmingham City Council offered "enhanced" redundancy payments. It really wasn't worth a great deal more than usual. I received a far larger redundancy payment from TSB Bank for a mere 3 years service.
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Nothing concrete just a commonly held belief around here.
My point is that they should not be just because the people work for the Government.
Point taken H, but in my neck of the woods it is the belief that those in private industry/employment get far higher payouts and better conditions. Local Government employees are tied into National pay and conditions contracts which I have heard are considered generous in the North, but not so in the South, where the cost of living is believed to be much higher.
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Nothing concrete just a commonly held belief around here.
Ahhh.... the jealousy factor amongst the locals. Cool.
JF
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It all depends on how high you go in the public sector pecking order. When you reach a certain altitude the trough is full to overflowing. ;)
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Agreed Kevin3, but we are talking redundancy payments here! I think there is something wrong when a headteacher can top the salary of a prime minister, but all the redundancy payments I have seen, and there have been quite a few at all levels, the only golden payments were to those they want rid of and to do that through the legal system would be very expensive. Just my experience, of course which was local government, not central government. :)
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Speaking from personal, and also professional experience, the private sector schemes for VR were always more generous than public sector.
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Local government
"Your employer can also decide to award you up to £6500 per year extra pension or up to 104 weeks’ pay as a compensation payment".
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What category of LG employees' T&Cs is that from H? :)
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sadler
https://www.unison.org.uk/content/uploads/2014/10/On-line-Catalogue226682.pdf
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Thanks for that Highlander. The document you quoted from is a Trade Union document and your quotation is aimed at those who have not opted out of LG PS. Many school employees, or low paid employees of LG opt out. Most members of Unison in LG are very low paid I.e. MDAs (dinner ladies), cleaners, clerical assists. Etc. The higher money earning employees, in Education or Social Services, or higher level admin are not members of Unison and the "professionals" do not Subscribe to LGPS, they have their own pension schemes. Just because Unison say that the employer can agree to these extras,I have yet to see it happen and most of the categories I have mentioned on low pay, do not earn that much in a year,let alone have it as an extra annual bunce.
I remember that another Trade Union was aggressively canvassing LG employees to leave Unison (if they already belonged or trying to sign them up). The name of the union escapes me at the minute but they were quite a lot more militant than Unison.
I was interested to see that the law now requires payments to be made up to 20 years service. I am sure when I was involved it was up to a maximum of 12 years, at least something seems to have improved. :)
P.S. Working through that whole consultation and selection process added together with the notice period took a minimum of 9 months and it was, without exception, the very worst aspect of my job! :(
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Bottom line is that the guys who've worked for Highland Council for years are getting a decent pay off (on the basis of VR), and the "locals" ain't happy.
JF
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Just to add to that, and I hope I am not becoming too boring, it all depends on what is in the redundancy policies and the conditions of em. Employers CAN pay extra, they don't have too, and in my experience, they don't, or they would set a very expensive president. They stick to the statutory policy. :)
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Boring? Now why would you think that. :)
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I quite like you Alixandria. :)
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Why is that some people get irate about (usually a group of) workers receiving a fair and reasonable compensation for losing their jobs, and kick and scream about it. Yet when PLC executives, bankers/speculators, some head teachers, local government leaders receive large bonuses or gold plated salary rises, we hear little or nothing from them? Oh yes I forgot their 'rewards package' is based on market forces!!
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I think anything over 30k taxed at your highest rate, unless rules have changed. In this animal farm that we live in all are equal, although some more so than others.
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When I was made redundant from the MOD, the rate was 1/80th of a week's wage for each year of service!