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Title: More hotels threaten the environment
Post by: stoop on January 02, 2019, 09:24:02 AM
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If plans are passed there will be four hotels in that picture soon!

Already we have the Sensatori and the Residence opens this summer.

On top of that another is on its way to the right of that picture (Karatas Beach) and we are now hearing yet another one is in the planning stage.

The threat to the turtles, wildlife and flooding in the koca Çalis area in real. They’ve already completely filled in one section of the canal for some mad reason.

There is a proposal to build more hotel complexes between Barut Sensatori Hotel & the canal at Karataş. There is a public meeting tomorrow at 14:00 (2PM) at  Deniz incisi Restaurant, Karataş to hear of any environmental concerns regarding this proposal. i urge anyone who has any concerns to attend tomorrow, 3 JANUARY 2019, to air their concerns.

Title: Re: More hotels threaten the environment
Post by: stoop on January 02, 2019, 11:03:37 AM
The right of the Sensatori as you look at the picture is development is by Lykia Group, My contact has heard various reports including it will be a Sentido property for Thomas Cook.

In 2018 they were doing all the ‘drainage ‘ groundwork but all she could see was a massive puddle when she was there.

Think opening will be 2020/21.
Title: Re: More hotels threaten the environment
Post by: McGroogle on January 02, 2019, 19:33:24 PM
It's called progress.Things don't stand still. Life goes on and this situation is one of those. The infrastructure around will get adapted and the canal will get sorted out. Decades ago Calis Beach used to be a railway line for mining and look at it now. A prospering tourist attraction bringing jobs and prosperity to the region. Bring it on.
Title: Re: More hotels threaten the environment
Post by: stoop on January 03, 2019, 09:05:33 AM
It's called progress.Things don't stand still. Life goes on and this situation is one of those. The infrastructure around will get adapted and the canal will get sorted out. Decades ago Calis Beach used to be a railway line for mining and look at it now. A prospering tourist attraction bringing jobs and prosperity to the region. Bring it on.


The canal has been filled in by a local restaurant to form a playground/re recreation area. The guy owns the tapu and the council have said he can do what he wants as it’s his land.

Three years ago the Sensatori builders (Barut?) built a staff accommodation block after filling in half a lake first and reclaiming the land. It’s really helped with the flooding issues - not!

Call it progress if you want but the loss of Karatas beach to locals and the potential damage to the turtle population are two huge issues. Do we really need four AI hotels in that area?

Title: Re: More hotels threaten the environment
Post by: Ray1951 on January 03, 2019, 16:29:12 PM
The environment is one thing but ‘affordability’ is yet another.  The cost of flights and holidays to Calis have increased greatly this year and with the prices charged by the like of the Java, it’s not everyone who could afford to holiday there or to similar hotels.  Of course there is the Russian market I suppose.
Title: Re: More hotels threaten the environment
Post by: Scunner on January 03, 2019, 16:58:53 PM
Don't recall you being much of an environmentalist in all your years on here Stoop
Title: Re: More hotels threaten the environment
Post by: MarKar on January 03, 2019, 18:30:05 PM
Thats quite a lot of development for a small area. Development for Koca Calis has been speculated for as long as I can remember.
Lots of rain around this winter, our caretaker/gardener has sent a video link today and although very wet there's no flooding on Telemessos, we were a bit worried this might happen with some of the lake been filled in , but the canal dredging must of helped.
Title: Re: More hotels threaten the environment
Post by: Steve A on January 03, 2019, 20:18:47 PM
I can see the progress view,also the nimby view and enviroview.But for what it’s worth Deniz Incizi nice place,out of the way and quiet beach.The canal leading down was scruffy as was the side of Karatas that the locals use for picnics,camping etc and the inevitable piles of waste they left.So filling the canal in and cleaning up the area not a bad thing,more large hotels mmmmm,not sure.
Title: Re: More hotels threaten the environment
Post by: stoop on January 06, 2019, 10:51:49 AM
Don't recall you being much of an environmentalist in all your years on here Stoop

Not strictly true of course. I remember putting more than my two penneth in for the dolphins, for example. I supported that 100%. I'm sure I could find other examples but I'm not really that fussed what you think.

The thing with this project is that it will not only affect the local turtles and wildlife but it will also affect the use of the beach by locals and those who aren't holidaying in the big hotels. It could also be devastating for the Koca Calis area unless adequate drainage is put in. Certainly blocking a canal is something I'm dead against and should be illegal if it isn't already in Turkey.





Title: Re: More hotels threaten the environment
Post by: stoop on January 06, 2019, 10:52:43 AM
I can see the progress view,also the nimby view and enviroview.But for what it’s worth Deniz Incizi nice place,out of the way and quiet beach.The canal leading down was scruffy as was the side of Karatas that the locals use for picnics,camping etc and the inevitable piles of waste they left.So filling the canal in and cleaning up the area not a bad thing,more large hotels mmmmm,not sure.

Filling in a canal is not a bad thing? Let's fill all the Calis canals in and see what devastation it causes!

Unbelievable!
Title: Re: More hotels threaten the environment
Post by: stoop on January 06, 2019, 10:55:34 AM
Thats quite a lot of development for a small area. Development for Koca Calis has been speculated for as long as I can remember.
Lots of rain around this winter, our caretaker/gardener has sent a video link today and although very wet there's no flooding on Telemessos, we were a bit worried this might happen with some of the lake been filled in , but the canal dredging must of helped.

Yes dredging and keeping open the canal has made a huge difference this year. However filling in and blocking one of the main canals will not end up making things better.
Title: Re: More hotels threaten the environment
Post by: Scunner on January 06, 2019, 11:23:40 AM

Not strictly true of course. I remember putting more than my two penneth in for the dolphins, for example. I supported that 100%. I'm sure I could find other examples but I'm not really that fussed what you think.

I'm sure you aren't, but I am fussed by what you think.

In the early 2000s many people bought in Koca Calis, saying (yourself included) it was destined for bigger things eventually and as an area it was "up and coming", therefore a shrewd investment long term.

Well, here it is, the up and coming is arriving - and now you don't like it.
Title: Re: More hotels threaten the environment
Post by: Scunner on January 06, 2019, 11:26:32 AM
p.s. not liking two dolphins being held in a swimming pool doesn't make you an eco warrior.
Title: Re: More hotels threaten the environment
Post by: Fran on January 06, 2019, 14:21:51 PM
You would think that someone would start building again on the site on the prom, that was started about 2-3 yrs ago and then left.


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Title: Re: More hotels threaten the environment
Post by: Steve A on January 06, 2019, 19:25:44 PM
Stoop I never suggested filling In All of the canals so dont go off on one.I stated that the canal in question was not a problem as it was probably the dirtiest I have seen in the area so no great loss,never saw anyone on here arguing about the dirty canals in the area and demanding major cleanup etc.
It seems that the concerns are more for people’s property which I get but let’s not go down the environmental concern route when the real reason is damage to properties.
Title: Re: More hotels threaten the environment
Post by: stoop on February 22, 2019, 11:20:19 AM
Stoop I never suggested filling In All of the canals so dont go off on one.I stated that the canal in question was not a problem as it was probably the dirtiest I have seen in the area so no great loss,never saw anyone on here arguing about the dirty canals in the area and demanding major cleanup etc.
It seems that the concerns are more for people’s property which I get but let’s not go down the environmental concern route when the real reason is damage to properties.

The canals are there to take the excess water when the weather gets bad. Anything that blocks them is not a very good idea at all and threatens the local property with flooding.
Title: Re: More hotels threaten the environment
Post by: Steve A on February 22, 2019, 12:37:33 PM
Stoop like I said in my post,your argument is about property damage/value not the environment.
Personally I don’t welcome any more hotels or developments in the Calis area.There are sufficient places and these large concerns do harm the environment,also the overall attraction of the place we have enjoyed over the years.
Title: Re: More hotels threaten the environment
Post by: stoop on May 01, 2019, 12:48:08 PM
It seems The Residence opening has been delayed until 04/05. People moaning but he who books the first week of a new hotel should really expect this might happen.

Looks lovely

Not sure where they are with the other one.