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Re: Brexit
« Reply #240 on: November 15, 2018, 23:09:50 PM »
.....stop the SNP calling for independence
REMAIN.

There is nothing, repeat nothing on God's earth that will stop Nicola and her sheep calling for independence.



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« Reply #241 on: November 15, 2018, 23:14:41 PM »
.....stop the SNP calling for independence
REMAIN.

There is nothing, repeat nothing on God's earth that will stop Nicola and her sheep calling for independence.

Highlander, with the greatest of respect, stop dodging the question - What are your thoughts on May's deal?

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Re: Brexit
« Reply #242 on: November 16, 2018, 06:12:23 AM »
Lets face it the Eu dnt want  to let us go.and i dont care whos doing
the deal May or Corbin, the  same result.😣😣.

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Re: Brexit
« Reply #243 on: November 16, 2018, 07:15:44 AM »
.....stop the SNP calling for independence
REMAIN.

There is nothing, repeat nothing on God's earth that will stop Nicola and her sheep calling for independence.


Lol

The irony of Brexiteers calling anyone sheep!!

Still I suppose being a  sheep is better than being a lemming

However the most delicious irony re Brexit  amongst some forelock touching Scots is when the Indy Ref was called, the Tories campaigned that independence for Scotland would be a disaster because......Scotland would be outside the EU!!!!!!

Quite frankly the only good side of Brexit is it should hasten  the end of partition in Ireland and allow Scotland its independence


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Re: Brexit
« Reply #244 on: November 16, 2018, 11:36:45 AM »
villian - I just wonder if the present deal is the best that the Europeans would allow the UK and if that is the case what could others negotiate that the government didn't.

Perhaps the Europeans didn't give anything away for fear of it having a domino effect throughout the EU.

saoirse - we Scots had a people's vote in 2014 and 55.3 % voted NO.

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« Reply #245 on: November 16, 2018, 12:00:49 PM »
Lol

You sure did and 1 reason you were told to vote no was if you got independence you would LEAVE the EU!!!! Were you made mugs off then or now????

Of course when it came to a straight vote on Brexit solely -Scotland voted to stay in!!!!

Do you seriously think privileged English upper class toff chinless wonders like Mogg Johnson etc give a stuff about Scotland??

Even when they poll Brexiteers they readily  say if ditching Scotland or the North of Ireland was the price to pay for them to get their Brexit they would jettison the " paddies and jocks" in a heart beat

Have some dignity man and faith in Scotland - not Boris and his self centred careerist upper class knobs

Hanging on to the shirt tails of posh crooks who don't want you is not becoming
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« Reply #246 on: November 16, 2018, 12:47:36 PM »
villian - I just wonder if the present deal is the best that the Europeans would allow the UK and if that is the case what could others negotiate that the government didn't.

What would an ideal Brexit look like as far as you're concerned?

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Re: Brexit
« Reply #247 on: November 17, 2018, 09:11:34 AM »
We've heard nothing from him in over 18 hours. Surely this can't be the end of Villain ?


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Re: Brexit
« Reply #248 on: November 17, 2018, 22:35:30 PM »
Aussie (ex PM) Tony Abbott sums it up beautifully!-----

It’s pretty hard for Britain’s friends, here in Australia, to make sense of the mess that’s being made of Brexit. The referendum result was perhaps the biggest-ever vote of confidence in the United Kingdom, its past and its future. But the British establishment doesn’t seem to share that confidence and instead looks desperate to cut a deal, even if that means staying under the rule of Brussels. Looking at this from abroad, it’s baffling: the country that did the most to bring democracy into the modern world might yet throw away the chance to take charge of its own destiny.

Let’s get one thing straight: a negotiation that you’re not prepared to walk away from is not a negotiation — it’s surrender. It’s all give and no get. When David Cameron tried to renegotiate Britain’s EU membership, he was sent packing because Brussels judged (rightly) that he’d never actually back leaving. And since then, Brussels has made no real concessions to Theresa May because it judges (rightly, it seems) that she’s desperate for whatever deal she can get.

The EU’s palpable desire to punish Britain for leaving vindicates the Brexit project. Its position, now, is that there’s only one ‘deal’ on offer, whereby the UK retains all of the burdens of EU membership but with no say in setting the rules. The EU seems to think that Britain will go along with this because it’s terrified of no deal. Or, to put it another way, terrified of the prospect of its own independence.

But even after two years of fearmongering and vacillation, it’s not too late for robust leadership to deliver the Brexit that people voted for. It’s time for Britain to announce what it will do if the EU can’t make an acceptable offer by March 29 next year — and how it would handle no deal. Freed from EU rules, Britain would automatically revert to world trade, using rules agreed by the World Trade Organization. It works pretty well for Australia. So why on earth would it not work just as well for the world’s fifth-largest economy?

A world trade Brexit lets Britain set its own rules. It can say, right now, that it will not impose any tariff or quota on European produce and would recognise all EU product standards. That means no border controls for goods coming from Europe to Britain. You don’t need to negotiate this: just do it. If Europe knows what’s in its own best interests, it would fully reciprocate in order to maintain entirely free trade and full mutual recognition of standards right across Europe.

Next, the UK should declare that Europeans already living here should have the right to remain permanently — and, of course, become British citizens if they wish. This should be a unilateral offer. Again, you don’t need a deal. You don’t need Michel Barnier’s permission. If Europe knows what’s best for itself, it would likewise allow Britons to stay where they are.

Third, there should continue to be free movement of people from Europe into Britain — but with a few conditions. Only for work, not welfare. And with a foreign worker’s tax on the employer, to make sure anyone coming in would not be displacing British workers.

Fourth, no ‘divorce bill’ whatsoever should be paid to Brussels. The UK government would assume the EU’s property and liabilities in Britain, and the EU would assume Britain’s share of these in Europe. If Britain was getting its fair share, these would balance out; and if Britain wasn’t getting its fair share, it’s the EU that should be paying Britain.

Finally, there’s no need on Britain’s part for a hard border with Ireland. Britain wouldn’t be imposing tariffs on European goods, so there’s no money to collect. The UK has exactly the same product standards as the Republic, so let’s not pretend you need to check for problems we all know don’t exist. Some changes may be needed but technology allows for smart borders: there was never any need for a Cold War-style Checkpoint Charlie. Irish citizens, of course, have the right to live and work in the UK in an agreement that long predates EU membership.

Of course, the EU might not like this British leap for independence. It might hit out with tariffs and impose burdens on Britain as it does on the US — but WTO rules put a cap on any retaliatory action. The worst it can get? We’re talking levies of an average 4 or 5 per cent. Which would be more than offset by a post-Brexit devaluation of the pound (which would have the added bonus of making British goods more competitive everywhere).

UK officialdom assumes that a deal is vital, which is why so little thought has been put into how Britain might just walk away. Instead, officials have concocted lurid scenarios featuring runs on the pound, gridlock at ports, grounded aircraft, hoarding of medicines and flights of investment. It’s been the pre-referendum Project Fear campaign on steroids. And let’s not forget how employment, investment and economic growth ticked up after the referendum.

As a former prime minister of Australia and a lifelong friend of your country, I would say this: Britain has nothing to lose except the shackles that the EU imposes on it. After the courage shown by its citizens in the referendum, it would be a tragedy if political leaders go wobbly now. Britain’s future has always been global, rather than just with Europe. Like so many of Britain’s admirers, I want to see this great country seize this chance and make the most of it.

Tony Abbott served as Prime Minister of Australia from 2013 to 2015

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Re: Brexit
« Reply #249 on: November 18, 2018, 08:33:38 AM »
With the greatest possible respect, Highlander, I could not possibly disagree more.

Abbott maintains that after Brexit, we wouldn’t be under the rule of Brussels;  this is an oft used expression.  Last time I looked, we still had a royal family, a parliament and a House of Lords.  If Abbott means we have to have strict food regulations, clean beaches, a close relationship on security and policing, strict rules on workers’ rights, freedom to live and work in any EU country and an EU Court of Justice, what exactly are his objections to these things.

He states that May gave the impression of being desperate for a deal.  She wasn’t playing poker, she was fighting for the future of our country, as any patriot would.  The use of the word ‘punish’ is ridiculous.  Why would the EU give us the same rights and privileges of member states without paying the membership fee.

I think Abbott misunderstands WTO rules.  It is not possible under these rules to waive tariffs to a ‘favoured nation’ - in this case, the EU.  We would have to waive tariffs across the board, which could cause what few manufacturers we have to go out of business.  On the other hand, the EU could, and probably would charge us tariffs;  the current tariff on vehicles, for instance is 10%.  This would affect the car plants in this country, and almost certainly would cause some or all of them to consider moving to EU countries. 

Abbott uses the term ‘shackles’ as if we were slaves to the EU, and implies that Leave voters were true patriots.  A true patriot, I would have thought, would want what is best for their country and it’s prosperity, and it is my deeply held belief that what is best for my country is to remain.




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