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General Topics => Other Sports (Not Football) => Topic started by: maximumtom on October 15, 2011, 09:28:40 AM
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Anyone who has watched Alain Rolland referee Welsh matches before will not be surprised by the sending off.
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Ridiculous decision:(
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Alain Rolland. Born in Ireland Mother Irish, Father French, Allain speaks fluent French and he works as a Mortgage Broker (in Dublin)... Says it all doesn't it!!
Incidentally, my husband says the sending off is the worst decision he has EVER seen in Rugby.:(:-\[:(!]
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As soon as I saw who was refereeing today, I knew we were in for a rough ride, but even Alain sunk to new depths today, spoiled a World Cup semi final, Wales would have made the final much better opposition than France will !!
That said,and sour grapes aside, I feel the boys have done us proud and made the World Cup a great competition, their performances on the field and their behaviour off the field have been exceptional, I think the team have gained the respect of all other nations (particularly the S. Hemisphere sides).
Good news for Wales and even better for World rugby [^]
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I thought it was a very fair decision. He clearly lifted the man and slamed him.
Cant blame the ref for doing his job.
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Having ranted about the ridiculous decision, I have since read the IRB directive which left the referee with very little choice but to show the Welsh captain a red card.
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Originally posted by barry44544
I thought it was a very fair decision. He clearly lifted the man and slamed him.
Cant blame the ref for doing his job.
Spot on Barry,rule was brought in last November,stupid foul which ruined it for propbably one of the fittest teams i have seen.
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O.K. after speaking to my husband, ex Rugby player.. and wait for this, likes Rugby more that Football. He says the ref should have given a yellow card. Also the player has only been given a 3 match ban, the smallest punishment possible, which shows certain people in high places maybe agree a yellow card should have been given.
Valleyboy, add a cockerel under the refs arm!!
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Jacqui:
"Law 10.4(j) reads: Lifting a player from the ground and dropping or driving that player into the ground whilst that player's feet are still off the ground such that the player's head and/or upper body come into contact with the ground is dangerous play.
A directive was issued to all Unions and Match Officials in 2009 emphasizing the IRB's zero-tolerance stance towards dangerous tackles and reiterating the following instructions for referees:
- The player is lifted and then forced or ‘speared' into the ground (red card offence)
- The lifted player is dropped to the ground from a height with no regard to the player's safety (red card offence) - For all other types of dangerous lifting tackles a yellow card or penalty may be considered sufficient
Regular directives to Unions, Match Officials and Judicial Officers have been issued to reinforce the IRB's zero-tolerance stance regarding dangerous tackles and the promotion of player welfare.
The policy was again reiterated to team officials at a Team Managers seminar in Auckland two weeks before the start of Rugby World Cup and during the Tournament and there have been a number of other Tip Tackle cases at Rugby World Cup 2011."
The fact that their was no intent and/or malice in the tackle is irrelevant as far as the directive is concerned.
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Originally posted by barry44544
I thought it was a very fair decision. He clearly lifted the man and slamed him.
Cant blame the ref for doing his job.
This is quite untrue. I have heard or read of no-one - apart from you - who thinks the player was "slammed". Perhaps you were watching a different incident.
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I agree Colwyn - it was clear to see that the Warburton let go of him. Not that this makes any difference.
Here's the directive which Eric posted elsewhere.
http://ht.ly/6Yd0Y
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I have given an extract from the report mentioned above.
The assistant referee, Mr Kaplan, described the incident
as follows in his report:
"From my position on the touch line, and in my role as an AR, I reported foul play to
the referee of the day, S Dickinson, in the match played on Saturday between the Bulls
and the Cheetahs played at Loftus Versfeld in Pta. The incident concerned T de Bruyn
of the Cheetahs, who lifted, twisted and then dropped the Bulls player (Ndungane)
during a passage of general play. I was in close proximity to the incident and I
recommended a yellow card on the basis that whilst the tackle was certainly
dangerous, the foul play did not include a driving motion into the ground. The content
of our conversation can be reviewed as we agree from both sides of the tackle that a
yellow card seemed appropriate."
I have watched Rolland referee Wales matches many times. If there has been a 50/50 decision it has always gone against Wales. When I saw who was going to ref the match, I told my partner that I was worried and why. We had just beaten the Irish and we were playing the French. How could a half French, half Irish man be chosen to ref the game ? It goes against all logic of having a neutral referee. Something stinks!!
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he's not supposed to let go of him, he is supposed to put him back on his feet.
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Difficult with the slinky shirts they wear nowadays
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Discuss - I don't think it's the same
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I don't do Facebook H. People get locked up for that.
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Originally posted by tinkerman
he's not supposed to let go of him, he is supposed to put him back on his feet.
Possibly technically correct in the perfect World, but maybe morally wrong in the "bigger picture" ! - A 23 year old 6'3", 17 stone professional athlete, in his tactical position, tackling his opponent at speed, psyched up for the most important game of his career, and his Nations history, having to make split second decisions, in these situations, these things are bound to happen !.
Rugby Union has always been a tough sport played by tough men, and in this day and age of these "modern gladiators", things are only going to get tougher !, but I hope the IRB bureaucrats and the health and safety afficianados' don't go too far in all this, for the sake of the sport, also I hope the soccer type "theatricals" don't creep into it as in the reaction of the "hard done by" players and his team members.
I think the main gripe in this particular situation is the fact that Mr Rolland (with a history of egomania), had the red card drawn faster than Wyatt Earp, and did not stop, calm the situation, consult his other assistants for their opinions, take into consideration, sense of occasion, the players personal history, and the level of malice involved, again a lot of information to process in a relatively short time that can make or break careers and massive sporting occasions.
Yes I am biased, but I hope, for the good of the game that I have played and loved since a child, it all doesn't turn into a fiasco, refereed by automatons.
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Very nice post VB; written with style. Have you been discussing this with Francois Pienaar? Now on to the Wallabies on Friday.
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Thank you Colwyn, as it happens I do consider Francois Pienaar to be one of the finest players and captains to have ever graced a rugby field, I also think he is one of the most informed and intelligent of the pundits on the circuit, his knowledge and passion for the game is undeniable.
So yes, I do respect his opinion, and also the opinions of 95% of rugby followers from around the World (the serious one's), other pundits, other players from all Nations (a lot of them English by the way), and my Dad, that this particular event should not contribute to spoil the modern game. Lessons must be learned for the good of the game.
So, on to the positives, yes Australia, the Six Nations, the Next World Cup !. :D
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Originally posted by valleyboy
as it happens I do consider Francois Pienaar to be one of the finest players and captains to have ever graced a rugby field
You, and Nelson Mandela. Travelling in good company VB.
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