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Other Local Resorts & Areas => Ovacik Discussion Forum => Topic started by: Sallyan on December 01, 2011, 12:57:28 PM
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Ladies Clothes sale, all brand new and labelled from UK High Street shops
We are also selling Bric a Brac, Cakes & Coffee in aid of the Animal Charity too
Friday 9th December @ The Morning Star, Ovacik. 1.30pm onwards
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This a local charity set up in Ovacik and is nothing to do with Animal Aid,Fethiye
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Blimey I wouldn't have known that
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Originally posted by Sallyan
Ladies Clothes sale, all brand new and labelled from UK High Street shops
We are also selling Bric a Brac, Cakes & Coffee in aid of the Animal Charity too
Question: Are the profits from the clothes sales going towards the Animal Charity or not? If so who are they going to?
This is how I read the ad but it may just be the way it's worded.
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A group of people from Ovacik set up their own charity based at The Morning Star for the local animals.
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Thanks Andy, doesn't quite answer my question, will wait for Sallyan to answer in due course, just can't work out if the 2nd line about bric a brac etc. is extra to the sale of the clothes or all the profits are going to the charity.
I'm sure the animals in Ovacik will benefit which is good news for them!
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Dont they have to be registered with Fetav as a charity then the same as all of us? I dont think you can just set up in Turkey and call yourselves a charity. The above post is very deceiving I agree. Very commendable that they want to help local animals but they need to word their ads. better.:D
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They can't be registered with FETAV they don't come under Fethiye they come under Oludeniz
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So they dont have to be registered as a charity, they can just set up and operate with no audit checks, not have to show accounts?
Is this anything to do with the 'fashion show' as shown in one of the english newspapers in the summer? Strange that there is all this clothing with UK labelling on around.
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Blimey you lot are a tough crowd some evenings
They raise money for the benefit of animals and get the Spanish Inquisition when they post about one of their fund raising events. Assuming they make it crystal clear they are not raising the money for (or as) AA, are they really doing bad things or trying to do something to help - beats sitting in the pub all day!!!
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Our charities as you know Keith have to jump through hoops and follow all the rules. I was just asking if we have to be registered dont they? I dont know who they would register with Andy but we have to be accountable to Fetav. As I said it is commendable that they want to help animals in that area but there are rules to follow in this Country. You cant just set up and call yourselves a charity and they didnt make it crystal clear that the money wasnt going to AA. Andy did it for them. :D
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Its a minefield What you can and cant do as a charity But you must be registered as Mercury tinkerman and us at FiG know
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I know this - my point isn't about that - I'm saying that the reaction to them trying to help has been that they are doing something wrong, whereas actually they are doing something not quite correctly.
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Whether the legalities are right or wrong is not my business.
My question was a simple one & remains unanswered due to the vague nature of the 1st post.
Is ALL the money raised by this sale going to an animal charity or only some of it?
Just as a side-note: I wonder why the setting up of this new charity hasn't been publicised anywhere? This topic is the 1st I've heard of it & there's no mention on the local area FB page yet the sale is, surely they would be shouting from the rooftops to get stock as all the other charities do?
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It would be nice if someone who knows Sally Ann could get her to come on and explain the facts properly.
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Animal Aid are aware of them Mark and if we get any animal calls related to their area we email or call them.
Im sure there's a lot of things going on here in Calis that people in other areas are unaware of too.
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I agree that there should be no misunderstandings and certainly no ambiguity about who you are and perhaps more importantly, who you aren't. But once again, the structure of these people's help group is getting all the replies and next to nothing about what they are trying to do. What is more important to people here - to want to help animals and prevent their suffering, or to be the best at getting the right approvals and publicising your events?
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I only asked a simple question Keith. I am all for helping animals, you & many others know I help Animal Aid (Fethiye group) when & where I can. The opening post is far from clear, the op has not returned to clarify the position, I will sit on the fence (hope it's strong fence lol) until I have received clear instructions as to where the money raised from the sale of the clothes is going.
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I think the message is fairly clear. They are selling clothes from the UK.
And they are also selling bits and bobs in aid of what now transpires a different Animal Aid to the one we are familiar with - the use of the same name is rather unfortunate though.
Does it matter if they are buying and selling clothes for profit for themselves? And you can't assume they are doing something illegal; last time someone made a comment about someone working illegally that particular person was in fact a Turkish citizen.
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I cannot understand what all the fuss is about whether the clothes come from a fashion show or whether the profit on the clothes sale goes to an animal charity. For that matter it could be a joint venture and the sale for the animal aid is just a way of raising funds from an expected gathering of people.
These people in Ovacik are just trying to raise funds to help some misfortunate animals. Maybe it was wrong to use the word charity but lets not beat them up for doing that.
Indirectly, what they are doing is close to my heart. When we lived in Ovacik we rehomed a dog that wandered the streets in the area. When we did he was very underweight and lived in a ditch. There is not a day goes by when I do not look at him and wonder what would have happened to him if we had not given him a home. On the flip side I never thought in my wildest dreams that he would turn out to be the most loving dog that he is.
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The person I was refering to was English Nichola and is well known here. Keith evicted him for trying to run his business from this forum. I am just saying that they cant call themselves a charity if that is what they are saying they are. How do you think AA would have gone on withour registering themselves as a charity.? or FiG or us or Uzumlu womens group.
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Hi all, sorry this wasnt meant to upset or annoy people perhaps I should have worded better (properly) sorry there I go again ... just to clarify
No 1 There is a clothes sale of new clothes and no profits are going to help "needy animals"
No 2 We are taking the opportunity of having a cake, coffee and Bric a Brac sale at the same time which all proceeds will go towards helping needy animals in the area
We are not a charity just people who actually want to try and help instead of sitting as scunner said "in the pub all day"
My apologies I will not write anymore if this is the mentality of some people Sally
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Mercury, the person I was referring to is not the same person as you are in your post; she is a female and it relates to a post made on an entirely different topic a few months ago.
Re whether the animal group in Ovacik is legal or not - sometimes some things just start out small and develop all in good faith with the best of intentions and now if they have become more organised perhaps someone needs to advise them that registering is a something they need to do.
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They have already been advised Nichola
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Hi Tinkerman Would you mind deleting this posting and also delete me from being a user on this site. Thank you Sally
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Hi Sallyan
please don't let all of this put you off, if you don't post about your events those animals in need wont get vital funds needed.
I think people were genuinely concerned about the legalities and didnt mean to come across the way they did I'm sure.
Obviously we at Animal Aid here in Fethiye know about your great work, and as has been said Andy has advised about all the ins and outs some time ago.
Maybe one thing that might help would be a few introductory lines about what you do in the section about local charities at some point for those people in Calis who like to know who everyone is!
Just keep up the good work, we Animal Aiders here in Fethiye area started small- last Friday we met the Mayor, dont let anyone put you off, stick with what you believe in.
Come on guys, enough of all the whys and where fors,(its all been explained now anyway ) and lets have some credit where credits due.
Well done you guys in Ovacik, I hope your event is a success!
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Sallyan it is not something we do if it can be avoided, to delete members and/or their posts. I will lock you (at your request) as you have chosen to neither take any further part in our forum or address the questions asked.
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Why cant these people in Ovacik work as a sub branch under the umbrella of the Fethiye Animal aiders?
It is just a thought. Then the legalities will be covered.
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Ovacikpeedoff - Fetav is the governing body for organisations raising money in Fethiye.
Ovacik doesn't come under Fethiye as it has its own Belediye.
sorry - edit - Ovacik comes under Olu Deniz Belediye
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because they are not in Fethiye, they come under Oludeniz Belediye
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But surely its all under Fetav?
Uzumulu ladies are under FiGs umbrella
That said I have all respect for Sallyann raising money for the animals Just be aware of the legalities here
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We were raising money in Uzumlu, not under Fethiye Belidiere, and came under Fetav by using FIG's umbrella. We kept our own books which were audited by FIG and they banked our money, but we were able to say where we wanted the money spent. They can do the same if Fethiye AA agree to "adopt" them. That way everyone is legal and the animals have more people raising money...simples
Well done Sallyan and please don't give up.
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Originally posted by tinkerman
because they are not in Fethiye, they come under Oludeniz Belediye
Andy, I'm not sure how it works, but here in Kemer we have our own Belediye but the Community Fund comes under the auspices of FETAV.
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Originally posted by Sallyan
Hi all, sorry this wasnt meant to upset or annoy people perhaps I should have worded better (properly) sorry there I go again ... just to clarify
No 1 There is a clothes sale of new clothes and no profits are going to help "needy animals"
No 2 We are taking the opportunity of having a cake, coffee and Bric a Brac sale at the same time which all proceeds will go towards helping needy animals in the area
We are not a charity just people who actually want to try and help instead of sitting as scunner said "in the pub all day"
My apologies I will not write anymore if this is the mentality of some people Sally
Thank you for answering MY question, the original post is now clarified. You are selling clothes as a business & alongside that you are selling extra stuff in aid of animals in Ovacik, shame this wasn't made clear in the 1st place. I will refrain from any further comment.
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The organisers of this group were offered the opportunity to join us in the summer but declined as it was not seen as a long term project, if they want to go it alone and make it legal it would have to come from the Oludeniz Belediye
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Hya Mark. They arent selling the clothes as a business someone else is doing it.
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I've watched this post with interest and some disgust - ex pat behaviour at its worst. Why attack someone trying to do their bit? and the first post was clear to me........
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Because there are laws and regulations in this country that have to be adhered to we have been trying to give advice and that is all. It can be serious not to obey the rules here as some people can vouch for. I have done now with this. They can just get on with it but these are not people trying to make themselves a few quid to live on as was first though. I have heard today that they do do a lot of good for animals in the area so all good luck to them.
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Just one question to Hillside, would you give to an unregistered charity in England?
They may very well be doing a great job in Ovacik, but who knows?
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Originally posted by tinkerman
The organisers of this group were offered the opportunity to join us in the summer but declined as it was not seen as a long term project, if they want to go it alone and make it legal it would have to come from the Oludeniz Belediye
Fair enough :)
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On reflection I think that while CBF greatly supports fund raising for good causes, we need to tighten up on things following this topic. Anyone raising money for worthy causes should be applauded but it must be crystal clear how, for who and exactly what they are proposing to donate. Here is the original post again:
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Originally posted by Sallyan
Ladies Clothes sale, all brand new and labelled from UK High Street shops
We are also selling Bric a Brac, Cakes & Coffee in aid of the Animal Charity too
Remember back to when you first saw it. Did you understand that:
1. There was to be a sale of ladies clothes to raise money for a good cause
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2. That Animal Aid (Tinx/Terrie/Baz & co.) was the charity chosen to benefit from the sale
If you say yes to either, you were wrong. The post itself is somewhere between clumsily explained and out and out deceptive. Personally I am very keen for CBF to promote charities and their various events, and the efforts of individuals to raise money for good causes - but we can't help promote private money making ventures that offer a vague promise to give something or other to somebody or other.
So from now on, those details will need to be made absolutely clear and obvious to all - or the post will be uncharitably deleted.
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I read it that the money from the clothes would go into someones pocket and the bric-a-brac etc would help animals. I would ask in what way would it help? Going to Animal Aid, rehoming dogs????
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Well, I wouldn't (and didn't) read it the way you did, although I can see how you read it. The "too" in Ladies Clothes sale, all brand new and labelled from UK High Street shops ~ We are also selling Bric a Brac, Cakes & Coffee in aid of the Animal Charity too seemed to confirm that the items in line 2 would too be sold in aid of animals - i.e. "as well as" what was detailed in line 1. In any case, there is nothing that confirms how much will be given and to whom.
For the record, had I known it was a private seller with a batch of ladies clothes to sell, it would have been deleted. It stayed because it seemed to be a charity event which it clearly now was not.
As for your question peecee, I can tell you how much was going to help Animal Aid...nowt.
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assuming it was a private seller have the clothes been brought over from the Uk without a customs declaration? Does the 'seller' have a trading license here in Turkey? personally I dont really care but once someone acting less than legally starts associating themselves with public charities I think they are treading a very dangerous route.
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Think my post was worded badly. What I was asking was if an animal charity has been set up (great, if so) how do they operate? Along the same lines as Animal Aid? Do they have a rehoming facility etc. etc.[?]
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I have been looking back at other posts in the same vane. This couple who are actually banned from this forum are selling clothes on a large scale whether it is being done legally is their business. What they do is sell their clothes on the back of a charity. Fig and AA in the past using a fashion show to sell their items. The charities then get just the proceeds of a raffle, coffee and cakes or whatever and this couple get the bulk of the money. They seem to have talked this newish group in Ovacik into doing the same only this time there is no Fashion show. People are being duped in my opinion into thinking that ALL the proceeds go to the kids or animals when this is not the case.
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In fairness people in Turkey appeared to know who was doing this clothes sale and nobody told us. My understanding is that the clothes sale (the reason for the topic) was nothing to do with any animal fund raising and that the reason for the post was to advertise the private clothes sale - the proceeds of which are 100% going into the pocket of a private individual.
Mercury is quite correct that there is plenty enough 'previous' from this individual who only comes to CBF to drum up business for his many ludicrous money making schemes - the last I remember was driving to the UK and picking up shoe box size consignments of "British goods" which would be illegally driven into Turkey undeclared.
This guy is a parasite of CBF and I would ask that those who know him advise us as soon as they know of one of his idiotic schemes so we can look out for him and stop his deceptions and rackets before they hit our forum.
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Originally posted by mercury
I have been looking back at other posts in the same vane. This couple who are actually banned from this forum are selling clothes on a large scale whether it is being done legally is their business. What they do is sell their clothes on the back of a charity. Fig and AA in the past using a fashion show to sell their items. The charities then get just the proceeds of a raffle, coffee and cakes or whatever and this couple get the bulk of the money. They seem to have talked this newish group in Ovacik into doing the same only this time there is no Fashion show. People are being duped in my opinion into thinking that ALL the proceeds go to the kids or animals when this is not the case.
I dont know about AA s fashion show. but they did actually raise a good sum of money when they did one for FiG and the day and the fashion show was enjoyed by everyone who attended. I believe they gave FiG a proportion of the profits as well as doing a raffle But I think the difference with this case was that it was made clear from the start where the money was going
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What proportion of the profits did they pledge to give FIG?
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Originally posted by Scunner
What proportion of the profits did they pledge to give FIG?
To be honest I cant remember, I didnt go or have anything to do with the day. Could probably find out though. All I do remember is that they did give FiG a contribution that they were delighted to receive, it had taken no work on our part, and those that went were happy and enjoyed it
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Yes but Jules with no disrespect to FIG, giving "a contribution" is not what you describe as "clear from the start". Saying something like "25% of the proceeds will go to FIG" is clear. This is where this all falls down. If I am buying women's clothes (and I might, who knows what I get up to) at a FIG charity event, I deserve to know that from the £20 I spent, are FIG getting a tenner, a fiver, 28.3p or will it be nothing specific, just a bung at the end once the private seller has lined their pocket. People have an absolute right to know exactly what they have contributed to the charitable cause will end up with the charitable cause and not an individuals wallet. If a charity can't give that information before the event, it really should be considering whether to be involved with the event at all.
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I will investigate
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Hi I was told today that we at FiG got the proceeds of the raffle But nothing from the fashion sales
But at the time it was made clear that was what would happen
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What reads as a way for a charity to raise money by using the idea of a "fashion show" is actually an individual looking to make money by using a charity to make money privately selling clothes. I agree totally with Anne (mercury) that people are being duped into thinking these are charity events - they are not, they are private (and ILLEGAL) sales of goods using charities as an attempted legitimacy cover to allow & boost sales and their personal gain. People are being conned in each case I have checked and the wordings are all similar and vague but imply that it is an event for the charity's benefit.
No more fashion shows please - charities need to wake up - this guy was arrested at Dalaman Airport trying to bring in several full suitcases of greetings cards to sell, smuggles "shoe boxes" of undeclared British goods into Turkey to order on illegal border runs and now sells clothes for profit by duping people into believing it is for charity!!!
All future fashion related "charity" events posted on CBF will be deleted without apology and without explanation. If you have something similar, run it past me first.
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This is the ad on the local Facebook page, shame the opening post on here wasn't quite so clear!
"Don't forget... Friday from 1.30pm New UK labelled Ladies Clothes on sale @ The Morning Star, Ovacik. There will also be a stall selling Bric a Brac, Coffee, & Cakes. Orders also being taken for Cornish Pasties (pre-order only) please message me. (All Proceeds from the Bric a Brac and food sales will be going towards helping the stray animals in the area) thanks Sally"
So simple to get it right, if you're intention is not to deceive!
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I dont think for a minute that SallyAnn was trying to deceive us. I think she has good intentions and if this is a short term thing then no harm done and the strays will benefit.
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Originally posted by mercury
I dont think for a minute that SallyAnn was trying to deceive us. I think she has good intentions and if this is a short term thing then no harm done and the strays will benefit.
Sorry Mercury that was deception by an opportunist.:-\
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I think the point is being missed. You can't, as a foreigner living in Turkey, have a commercial clothes sale - or even advertise one. Particularly when the clothes were not declared on arrival in Turkey (aka smuggled in). That is why they seek out charities to 'legitimise' it and attempt to turn the essence of it from a commercial event to a charitable event. They don't help charities - they are parasites and it is the charities that are helping them.
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Scunner, Although we were grateful for the money raised from the raffle, which was a nice amount, we will not be giving our backing to these people again, as I said in my earlier posts, the charities here have to be very careful on how we operate and I would hate FiG to be duped into something illegal
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This is what I have been getting at all along Keith re the clothes sales. However maybe Sally Ann is being duped. We cant blame her for that as she is allegedly trying to help stray animals. Not that we know what they are about really as nobody on the forum knew they exsisted until this blew up but if they really are helping a few strays then as I said good luck to them. It would have been easier just to do what others do and have a fund raiser and give the money to the experts AA who know exactly where the money is needed.
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Anne we were careful not to put our name to the Fashion show at the time and didnt allow them to advertise that they were doing it on behalf of Fig, Just said Ok if they wanted to do a raffle for us
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I really do think Sally Ann has been duped (assuming she is real!) and took this all in good faith and posted the same. Also I have no reason to want to highlight anything negative regarding FIG, quite the opposite in fact - I admire the work they do greatly. It's just a note suggesting caution. If I suggested a cocaine wrap sale would be a great opportunity for 3C's to come along and make a few quid on the back of it from a raffle, would they support my event?
There's no difference.
[edit] I wrote "I really don't think Sally Ann has been duped" and meant "I really do think Sally Ann has been duped" - changed now, apologies... :-\
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I think this couple are slightly more devious than that Keith but I take your point. If nothing else this post shows what a minefield running an organised charity is let alone someone who is trying to help a few strays and are un registered.
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I have been watching the FB post about the sale & also some of the things Sallyann has allegedly done/is doing for stray animals in the area. I am still in 2 minds as I know what a devious b'stard this guy is (from 1st hand experience) & it may well be she was duped into being a mouthpiece for his scam thinking she was doing good for local animals or it may well be she is part of it, I'm not sure we will ever know.
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Well I like to look for the good in people and I am pretty convinced Sally Ann has only the animals at heart - as did other charities who promoted this man's "fashion shows". Devious as he is, he is not exactly a master conman with a thousand tricks - just smuggling in stuff (greeting cards, clothes, English goods) - he wouldn't be the sharpest tool in the box if he shared it with a lump hammer.
Forewarned is forearmed and promotion of his latest batch of undeclared goods will not be happening on here again. If everyone has had their say I will lock this.
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Please do :)