Thanks for your replies Kayakebab and Rimms. I used to drink Kavak when I first visited Turkey about 13 years ago, it was a bit rough then, but since trying it in the last couple of years it seems to have mellowed. I find it's best icy cold. Yes Rimms, we love your Doluca Classic and we flip between that and Angora. Depends what they sell? We tried Majestic which they used to sell in Izkele on Fethiye bay, sometimes it was good but often corked or on the edge at other times! I can taste 'off' wine a mile off! (experienced you might say!) If only I liked red wine more, I've heard there are some good ones here.