Calis Beach and Fethiye Turkey Discussion Forum
Information and Services in Turkey Section => Residency in Turkey, Visas, Work Permit Questions => Topic started by: starman™ on November 16, 2011, 07:30:47 AM
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basically no more border runs. It says you may extend for an additional 90 days but then thats it for another 180 days afterwards. If you want to stay longer you will need to get residence permits. Now the prices have come down, there shouldnt be the "too expensive" excuse.
24 Ekim 2011 PAZARTESi
Resmî Gazete
Sayi : 28094
BAKANLAR KURULU KARARI
Karar Sayisi : 2011/2306
5683 sayili Yabancilarin Türkiye'de ikamet ve Seyahatleri Hakkinda Kanunun 3 üncü maddesinin birinci fikrasindaki sürenin yeniden belirlenmesine iliskin ekli Kararin yürürlüge konulmasi; Disisleri Bakanliginin 6/10/2011 tarihli ve 906439 sayili yazisi üzerine, adi geçen Kanunun 30 uncu maddesine göre, Bakanlar Kurulu'nca 10/10/2011 tarihinde kararlastirilmistir.
10/10/2011 TARiHLi VE 2011/2306 SAYILI
KARARNAMENiN EKi
KARAR
Kalis süresi
MADDE 1 - (1) 5683 sayili Yabancilarin Türkiye'de ikamet ve Seyahatleri Hakkinda Kanunun 3 üncü maddesinin birinci fikrasindaki süre, vize muafiyet süresi veya vizede belirtilen kalis süresi yeterli ise yabancinin Türkiye'den çiktigi gün itibariyla önceki 180 gün zarfinda 90 gün olarak uygulanir.
(2) Yabancinin Türkiye'deki vize muafiyeti süresi veya vizede belirtilen kalis süresi 90 günden az ise 90 güne tamamlanacak sekilde yurt içinden uzatilabilir.
Yürürlükten kaldirilan mevzuat
MADDE 2 - (1) 5683 sayili Yabancilarin Türkiye'de ikamet ve Seyahatleri Hakkinda Kanunun 3 üncü maddesinin birinci fikrasindaki sürenin 90 gün olarak uygulanmasina iliskin 22/12/2003 tarihli ve 2003/6641 sayili Bakanlar Kurulu Karari yürürlükten kaldirilmistir.
Yürürlük
MADDE 3 - (1) Bu Karar, 1/2/2012 tarihinde yürürlüge girer.
Yürütme
MADDE 4 - (1) Bu Karar hükümlerini Bakanlar Kurulu yürütür.
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Thanks for posting. We all knew it was coming and theyhave given 3 months notice. It's a shame for the companies that have made their living from the visa runs but I read last week that Greece has started to wheels in motiion to allow Turks with ordinary passports to visit for a day without the need for a visa - sure it won't replace the large number of visa runners from along this coast but perhaps it will be enough to keep them in business.
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Correction. Starts Feb 1st not 12th.
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Sorry cannot read Turkish - could you please translate as we would like to be sure of facts before I book our 2012 flights. Many thanks.
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Originally posted by yakamoz
Sorry cannot read Turkish - could you please translate as we would like to be sure of facts before I book our 2012 flights. Many thanks.
He did, and I quote.. ;)
It says you may extend for an additional 90 days but then thats it for another 180 days afterwards. If you want to stay longer you will need to get residence permits.
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Sorry. Dont have time to translate the whole thing.
Basically the law was accepted on october 24th this year.
Those on a 90 day visa can extend for another 90 days but then will not be able to for another 180 days.
The law made in december 2003 about the 90 day visa is replaced by this new ruling.
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It translates fine on Google Translate. Just copy and paste it.
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Google translation as follows:
MONDAY October 24, 2011
the Official Gazette
Number: 28094
DECISION OF THE COUNCIL OF MINISTERS
Decision Number: 2011/2306
Foreigners residing in Turkey and Travel About the Law No. 5683 of the first paragraph of Article 3 of the attached Decision concerning the determination of time re-enforcement, the Ministry of Foreign Affairs, dated 10/06/2011 and numbered article 906439 on the ordinary according to Article 30 of the Act, the Council of Ministers' agreed in accordance on 10/10/2011.
NO 2011/2306 dated 10/10/2011
TRADEMARKS Oct
DECISION
time required
ARTICLE 1 - (1) Foreigners residing in Turkey No. 5683 and the first paragraph of Article 3 of the Law on the period of time, sufficient duration of stay is indicated on the visa or visa exemption period of days with the foreigner as of Turkey phology, and during the previous 180 days to 90 days is applied.
(2) The foreigner in Turkey indicated on the visa visa exemption period or duration of stay is less than 90 days may be extended to 90 days for completion within the country.
Repealed legislation
ARTICLE 2 - (1) Foreigners residing in Turkey and Travel About the Law No. 5683 of the first paragraph of Article 3 of the time as 90 days, dated 22/12/2003 concerning the application of Ministers Decree No. 2003/6641 repealed.
effect
ARTICLE 3 - (1) This Decision shall enter into force on 1/2/2012.
executive
ARTICLE 4 - (1) The provisions of this Decision shall be executed by the Council of Ministers.
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Just out of curiosity what is the cost of residence permits now?
I was shocked in 2003/4 when we paid 3,600TL for us for a 5year permit, after that it just got totally out of hand and we refused to throw anymore money at the system, maybe now.
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Around 80 euro per year I believe but what ever ist is, it has been drastically reduced.
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Originally posted by loz
Just out of curiosity what is the cost of residence permits now?
I was shocked in 2003/4 when we paid 3,600TL for us for a 5year permit, after that it just got totally out of hand and we refused to throw anymore money at the system, maybe now.
prices are in this article
http://www.voicesnewspaper.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=5079
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We just did our 3 year residency and it was $200 /350 tl on the day and 149 tl for the blue book you need. Bargain!
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Surely the visa hop is way more expensive than residency now? That was the problem when this 90/180 day visa first appeared, but with the drastic reductions in residency only a fool would want to live out there on visitor visas now.
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The only downside of residency permits is that you have to show you have enough money to support yourself during the time of the residency, I believe they are tightening up on this now checking back accounts more carefully etc, for some people this may cause a problem.
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They are looking for proof of income - so if you have a regular salary or pension you are fine - people who are not working and not in receipt of any income have to show they can support themselves for the duration of their residency permit. You submit bank statements to them when you apply.
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An exchange receipt to show you have changed so much hard currency into Turkish lira is also acceptable and I know that for around 70 lira or so, a doviz can provide you with this receipt although I have never done it myself and wouldnt recommend it. Better to take a 5 min loan from someone, change the money, get the receipt, change back to hard currency and give your loan person the difference.
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Thank you Starman ,i am sure this is helpfull to many people.
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So what the Turkish government are saying you can only stay at your property for three months out of a six month season, unless you become a resident? which you are not, you are a property owner/tourist and are being dictated to as to when you can stay in your holiday home and for how long? just does not seem right to me.
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Yes but someone Turkish who buys a house in the UK has no greater right to reside in the UK than someone who doesn't own a property here - and if they did there would be an outcry here - it's not about being dictated to!!!
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Agree with Scunner. Same applies in the US and other countries apart from EU. Turkey is syncing with the rest of the world because how many other places in Europe could you flout the tourist visa rules by jumping the border every 3 months.
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Thanks starman for letting us know about the new ruling.
We are going out on May 4th for 56 days. Going out again on the 29th September, can we then stay for the remaining 34 days? (90-56) or can we not return until November.
Hoping someone can answer this :D
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Originally posted by BM06
So what the Turkish government are saying you can only stay at your property for three months out of a six month season, unless you become a resident? which you are not,
If you stay in your holiday home more than 3 months in every 6 you are more 'resident' in Turkey than anywhere else : :)
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Better (and cheaper all round) to have people paying to be resident when they prefer to pay to pretend to be tourists, than to have people paying to be tourists when they are quite clearly resident. Again, if the UK was full of Turks 6 months of each year on holiday visas I think most would see that as a total abuse of our system. Funny how it's viewed differently the opposite way round isn't it? For once the easier alternative in Turkey is also the cheapest alternative - what more can they do!!!
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You can please some of the people....................
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I'm not sure I can
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Originally posted by Scunner
Yes but someone Turkish who buys a house in the UK has no greater right to reside in the UK than someone who doesn't own a property here - and if they did there would be an outcry here - it's not about being dictated to!!!
You have lost me there Keith, I am talking about tourists being unable to spend time ie over 90 days out of 180 in there holiday home without becoming a resident, when clearly they are not, they are a tourist. As regards becoming a resident in Turkey the property owner/tourist may not meet the criteria set by the Turkish government! so IMO they are being dictated to when and how long they can holiday in there property[?] personally if I was told that when I considered buying in Turkey I may have had second thoughts:-\
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Originally posted by hillside
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Originally posted by BM06
So what the Turkish government are saying you can only stay at your property for three months out of a six month season, unless you become a resident? which you are not,
If you stay in your holiday home more than 3 months in every 6 you are more 'resident' in Turkey than anywhere else : :)
But I did not type that did I ''six month SEASON'' ;)
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Originally posted by BM06
]You have lost me there Keith, I am talking about tourists being unable to spend time ie over 90 days out of 180 in there holiday home without becoming a resident, when clearly they are not
How many days would you say someone can reasonably reside in one residence before being seen as resident!
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92 ;)
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There's a guide book for tourists like you Steve - "Around the apartment in 80 days" :D
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I know last time this all came out there was mass confusion and what if's. Not had any of these yet so I will start.
What if I go in April for 2 weeks then say after 170 days of first entry I want to go for 3 weeks. Can I buy a new visa before my old one has run out? :-\
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I believe not. No new visas till the initial 180 days are finished.
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Originally posted by bewva
I know last time this all came out there was mass confusion and what if's. Not had any of these yet so I will start.
What if I go in April for 2 weeks then say after 170 days of first entry I want to go for 3 weeks. Can I buy a new visa before my old one has run out? :-\
No ;)
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But remembering the previous topic - bewva's scenario will catch some totally innocent tourists out. Not too many as the season and visa length are similar, but it will happen - and I bet it will cause great confusion to the 'guilty' tourist.
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Forty eight pages to go to match the record on this topic of discussion.
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Come on guys, we can do it :D
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Okay, I will do my bit for the cause.
If someone buys Turkish Residency for the sake of travelling back and forth without counting down the days, what are the disadvantages.
For example, does it affect benefits, NHS entitlements, subsidised/free prescriptions?
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Nope.
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Yes/No. The UK now says that you can be out of the UK for 6 months a year without losing your prescriptions, GP and general day to day NHS benefits. A lot of people keep a UK address so that it looks as if they are residing in the UK and go back and get medical treatment and prescriptions etc..... benefits are affected if you are out of the country for extended periods of time. No job seekers, income support, and other means tested benefits. State pension and occupational pensions are not affected.
Someone who is a GP Practice Nurse told me recently that with the new biometric passports that are scanned they will soon be able to check on hospital and GP computers to see if you have been out of the country for more than 6 months in a year so even keeping a UK address will not hide the fact that you have been away for over 6 months in the year. You are still covered for emergency care and if you are returning to live permanently you are entitled to GP care, Dental care and Prescriptions with no qualifying period.
There are advantages - you can buy a car and insure it and sell it. You can have your bills in your own name. I think you can have a mobile phone contract too. No queues at the airport when you land. Cheaper health care in Turkey - most hospitals and clinics give a good sized discount to residents. For example the Devlet was charging tourists 50 lira to see a Dr - residents pay 15tl. The clinic on the main road in Calis was charging tourists 250 lira to see a Dr and residents 125 tl. There is discounts at the Esnaf and I believe Letoon too.
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Originally posted by kizkucuk
You can have your bills in your own name.
You can have water & electricity bills in your own name without having residency
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Thanks Kizkucuk.
Page 5 must be looming into view.
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Originally posted by BM06
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Originally posted by bewva
I know last time this all came out there was mass confusion and what if's. Not had any of these yet so I will start.
What if I go in April for 2 weeks then say after 170 days of first entry I want to go for 3 weeks. Can I buy a new visa before my old one has run out? :-\
No ;)
So does that mean that if my visa will run out in the middle of my stay I have to do a visa run mid holiday because I cant renew on entry after 170 days.:-\
Yet another well laid out plan, NOT.
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No I don't think you can get a visa stamp on an island hop if your 180 day visa is still in date.
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We are so lucky that we have have been able to buy a visa on arrival and visa hop if we want to. Considering the information a Turkish person has to provide for a 2 week visit to the UK I don't think we have anything to moan about. Try finger prints, three months bank statements, your spouses bank statements, your spouses children and granchildrens birth certificates, letters from the Uk with official invitations, proof of enough money to support yourself whilst on holiday copies of tapus for any properties you own, your parents full names and ID numbers, your Mother maiden name. A trip to Izmir for an interview and even then they can refuse to grant a visa. The UK make it very hard for a Turkish person to holiday in the UK - I'm just grateful that Turkey aren't petty enough to offer a reciprocal service. We knew it was coming, we've had the notice that the British Government asked for - we ain't going to change it - so we may as well just accept it and either continue to come to Turkey on holiday or choose go somewhere there is no visa.
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Originally posted by bewva
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Originally posted by BM06
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Originally posted by bewva
I know last time this all came out there was mass confusion and what if's. Not had any of these yet so I will start.
What if I go in April for 2 weeks then say after 170 days of first entry I want to go for 3 weeks. Can I buy a new visa before my old one has run out? :-\
No ;)
So does that mean that if my visa will run out in the middle of my stay I have to do a visa run mid holiday because I cant renew on entry after 170 days.:-\
Yet another well laid out plan, NOT.
I dont see why it should be any different to the 90 day visa. If I arrive on day 80 of my visa and plan to stay 14 days I MUST buy a new visa that will be valid when I leave.
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There seems to be some confusion on the topic its not about residents, (those that reside in Turkey have been breaking Turkish law for as long as they have been visa hoping) if Turkish law allows you to come and enjoy the country as a tourist by purchasing a visa at the point of entry then that is the law in Turkey, the law in other country's are obviously not all the same, its a change to the tourist visa law that is the subject, I know a lot of owners that come to there property in April, May,and June, leave for the hot months July/August, and return for September/October/November, close there property for the winter and look forward to there holidays next year, they will not be able to do that now, and can you imagine an estate agent telling you ''you are allowed to buy in Turkey but its seasonal in this area so you can only spend 90 days out of the season in your new villa/apartment'' unless of course you become a resident! of which you are clearly not. Would you make the purchase? I very much doubt it!
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I would simply say that a person living in one place in Turkey for 3 months out of 6 is at least as much resident as a person living 3 months out of 3 months in one place in Turkey was a tourist! Get the residency, call it long stay permission if it makes you deal with it better in your head, it's cheap - what's not to like :D
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I totally agree with BM06. Someone with authority needs to tell me the implications of being resident in two countries. eg tax, medical etc. I only ever bought our property home with no itention to stay beyond 90 days at any one visit.
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Day Jar Vew as Del Boy would say!!!!!!!
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But this all stands or falls on your definition of "Residency" - if you view this as a long stay visa then of course you are not a resident of Turkey - but Turkey is a place where you reside at certain times of year. Who says the British English definition of the word "residency" translates exactly into what this permission is about? We don't take any Turkish word translations as 100% gospel as there are limitations - but residency is unquestioned.
My feeling is that it is a long stay permission, allowing you to reside (taking the definition of reside = exist in/be alive at, not the definition of reside = be a permanent resident of - both can be correct) in Turkey longer than a "tourist". Residency is a word we (us British) gave this permission I think - and if you check the dictionary definitions there are several - of course those with a wish to moan and complain will never be satisfied and will choose the legal definition that suits them.
The other almost laughable side is that many people who complain about visas of different types would be baying for blood if tens of thousands of Turks were in the UK on 3 month visitor visas and able to stay permanently by nipping off on day trips to Calais to get a new one on their return - but again, that's about other people wanting to stay in our country, not us great Brits requiring to waltz in to someone else's whenever we decide to, and for as long as we like.
If you have a better plan, let's hear it!
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By the way - my better plan is to have a 90/180 day tourist visa and change the name of the residency to "Long Stay Permission" - any objections? :D
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I spy page 6.
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You started page 6
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Kieth, It has nothing to do with UK law its about tourist visiting Turkey, any tourist? or does the 90/180 only affect the UK tourist?
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"Someone who is a GP Practice Nurse told me recently that with the new biometric passports that are scanned they will soon be able to check on hospital and GP computers to see if you have been out of the country for more than 6 months in a year so even keeping a UK address will not hide the fact that you have been away for over 6 months in the year. You are still covered for emergency care and if you are returning to live permanently you are entitled to GP care, Dental care and Prescriptions with no qualifying period."
That's a great idea to save the NHS money really as it will 'weed'out all those who live abroad and keep coming back for free treatment. I'm not saying I agree with it or that it will happen - but if it does it will be done to save money and nothing else. The current details on the biometric passports are exactly the same as you have on the photograph page. They do not have information on your entry and exit to any country.
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It affects you as you are from the UK. Whether it affects people from Macedonia is irrelevant to you I would say?
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I am ok with the changes, (not much choice) and I am quite happy to get a "long stay permission" permit. all I want is the facts so I can do what I need to do.
Chances are I will go back to Turkey in April (easter) and my last visit will be the last week in October. So I will exceed 180 days. My total stay will be 6-7 weeks.
So do I get residency and if so do I get it in the UK before I go?
How much will it cost me?
Or do I get first 180 day in April then 2nd when I go back in Oct?
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one year is 140TL (about £50 or 80 US dollars);
two years is 250TL (140 US dollars)
three years is 350TL (200 US dollars)
four years is 460TL (260 US dollars)
five years is 570TL (320 US dollars)
So pay £200 on your next visit and that's you with nothing to pay at the airport, and for multiple trips (as many as you like, whenever you like) for five years right up to the end of 2016 - £40 a year.
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Originally posted by Scunner
It affects you as you are from the UK. Whether it affects people from Macedonia is irrelevant to you I would say?
Me[?] or them from the UK ;) :)
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This is confusing me somewhat. What some people are saying is that they live in England and they have a holiday home in Turkey. They spend six months of the summer season in Turkey, and spend 6 months wintering in England. So, what I cannot understand is that they spend equal amounts of time in both countries, yet only class themselves as being resident of one. The fact remains that as they are living the same amount of time in Turkey as the UK, then they are not classed as a tourist, but a resident, and they should obtain a Residency Permit, and not a tourist visa, which clearly they are not. After all, they wouldn't class themselves as tourists in the UK, even though they are there for only 6 months.
Just my thoughts on the subject.
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Page 7 ..... are we nearly there, yet?
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They are British, they are residents of Britain and they take extended stays in Turkey, for which a permit is easily available to allow this.
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Its still confusing though, Scunner, dont you think?
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It is confusing, but the line between tourist and residing is fine and not well defined. I do think a new name for the "Residency Permit" may help - but there WILL be people arriving at Dalaman for an October break with a visa they obtained from an earlier holiday in April which is valid on arrival but not on departure. That is difficult to explain to a holidaymaker. I suppose that is also the case with the old 30 day visa but at least with that one you could buy a new 90 day visa on arrival - now it seems you have no option to do that.
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Still, we can only wait and see what chaos it causes when its brought in.
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It does not effect me personally, but I do find the hole tourist visa thing a bit strange? as one of the biggest sources of income is the tourist industry in Turkey, to only collect one tenner for multi visits ie May/July/September (the rough figure for last season was about 25 million tourist) if only a quarter are multi trip tourist, its a staggering amount of money to just throw away? and as you say the resident permit has dramatically decreased, that indeed it makes financial as well as legal sense to obtain one, I sometimes wonder what might, just might, be waiting round the corner?
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I agree Steve and i feel it just might be that sometime soon it will be all people with residency visa have to buy medical insurance, no ifs or buts it will probably be compulsary and that will be a lot more than 50 quid a year.
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Not all tourists pay for a tourist visa. A lot of nationalities dont. Count yourself you are not Indian as they need to apply for a visa at the consulate before even arriving here.
This ruling is not aimed at Brits, it effects over 60 odd nationalities. I dont understand some think this is a bad thing, it is no different to a hell of a lot of other countries and the visa formalities for Brits staying longer then they should as a tourist.
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OK Can I get residency sorted in the UK before I travel?
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That is an interesting question and I am sure that someone will give you an answer on page 8.
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roll on page 8. maybe someone will answer my question on page 2
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Originally posted by FrankStanley
roll on page 8. maybe someone will answer my question on page 2
I looked back and it seems to me that you are okay to do as you suggest.
Having been ignored for several pages you may find that someone will come along soon with a contradictory answer.
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Originally posted by FrankStanley
Thanks starman for letting us know about the new ruling.
We are going out on May 4th for 56 days. Going out again on the 29th September, can we then stay for the remaining 34 days? (90-56) or can we not return until November.
You can be out there for 90 days in 180 - you have more or less answered your own question! As long as the 90 days are all inside the 180 days from May 4th (so before around beginning of November) you can. So you need to count backwards from the beginning of November 34 days which means you need to start any 34 day trip around the end of September. The second 34 day trip must end before the 180 days visa ends.
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Originally posted by amca
Having been ignored for several pages
I didn't ignore him, I thought the pages since made the answer bleedin' obvious with a bit of basic maths ;)
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I think I'm losing the will to live.
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Me too, I can't imagine ever needing anything more than a 14 day visa so I'll leave this topic to others. Any 90 days in 180 days. It really is simple, grab a calendar. Bye!
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(Not that you can get a 14 day visa before that starts a new debate)
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How much is a 14 day visa[?] and how much is a 6 month residency visa permit thingy[?]
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thank you amca for your prompt reply :)
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Originally posted by FrankStanley
thank you amca for your prompt reply :)
Frank, your visa will run out on the 30 oct 2012 so by my calculations, no you will not be able to stay for 34 days only 32 your 180 days are up on the 30 oct ;)
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Originally posted by bewva
OK Can I get residency sorted in the UK before I travel?
I don't think anyone has answered your question and I don't know the answer but you may find it easier to apply here where there are people that can help you do it and if you want to go it alone then there are a couple of topics that spell out step by step what you need and what to do.
I would imagine pulling all the necessary paperwork together when here would be easier.
The only problem I think I am right in saying is that you can't apply for the Resident Permit until your tourist visa is almost due to expire so it would depend how long you are actually planning to stay and then you need to allow time for the paperwork to be processed and this can vary from a couple of weeks to a month or maybe longer. It probably depends how many applications are submitted around the same time.
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Frank Stanley, when you apply for residency you have to hand over your passports so I doubt very much you can sort it from the UK.
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You cant get a residency permit from the UK. You can get a visa but this is a complete waste of money as you would still need to do the police thing once you arrive. Also you can apply for a residence anytime once you arrived and you do not have to wait till your visa runs out. We do it all the time here in Istanbul.
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When we went to get the forms from the passport polis, we were told we couldn't have them until we had only 15 days of our visa left.... so I guess things are different there.
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Same here John...they told us to apply within 15 days of visa being issued or 15 days before expiry date.
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The usual province by province difference. Nothing uniform in the process. I also know that for proof of funds, Istanbul wants to see 300 USD per month but other provinces are 500. What I dont get is that this is to prove that you can support yourself but Istanbul is many times more expensive then the other provinces apart from taxis that is.
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Frank, your visa will run out on the 30 oct 2012 so by my calculations, no you will not be able to stay for 34 days only 32 your 180 days are up on the 30 oct
The 180 days would be finished so surely entitled to new 180 days visa after 30th Oct!!!
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Originally posted by Diverbaz 1
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Frank, your visa will run out on the 30 oct 2012 so by my calculations, no you will not be able to stay for 34 days only 32 your 180 days are up on the 30 oct
The 180 days would be finished so surely entitled to new 180 days visa after 30th Oct!!!
Yes that's correct baz, but the question was will I be able to stay for the 34 days left on the original stamp[?] I think!!!
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Thanks Nicola,
If it takes that long to do the paperwork then I won't get it done in time.
I think I will hold off booking my flights till the mud settles.
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I have been told today that the Turkish government have still not rubber stamped this new rule ???
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You can apply for residency in the first 15 days after you arrive or the last 15 days of your visitors visa - depending on the time of year it can be quite quick a friend did had hers back in a week last February - at the moment they are quoting 3 weeks and that was higher during the summer.
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Ok the rules are the rules BUT having to prove that you have the means of supporting yourself whilst in Turkey really has no relevance as the Turkish Government are not going to help you out if you have difficulty - you're on your own mate ! So why is it necessary to show income or how much money you have in the bank. We all know that there are 'ways and means' of getting round this. It will be interesting to see how this turns out.
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Its the same for a Turkish person wanting to come to the uk,its a work thing. They want to see that you will not need to be looking for work
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Exactly and quite rightly so.
Many foreigners are working illegally in Turkey.
By the way, the Turkish wording of the article doesn't say anything about extending an additional 90 days.
However, it does say that foreigners with a visa period of less than 90 days have to possibility to extend up till 90 days.
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Hi - still on this subject - can anyone on the Forum help with this query please. We are out in Calis on 28th April 2012 until 6th June 2012 but have to visit Kos for a family wedding from 2nd June until 5th June. What is the Visa situation i.e. we will have bought the new style 90 day in 180 day Visa on 28th April 2012 at Dalaman Airport and presume we get into Kos OK because we have EU Passports - but what about returning from Kos ferry port to Bodrum? Do we need a new Visa or is the one that we bought still valid as a multiple entry Visa? Also, will the days spent in Kos count towards our total of 90 in a 180 days or are these days omitted? All so confusing - but no point us buying Residency (a very good deal now) as we only visit Turkey twice a year. Thanks for any advice.
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Originally posted by yakamoz
I have been told today that the Turkish government have still not rubber stamped this new rule ???
It is in the official gazette which means it is rubber stamped.
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Can someone please clarify for me re the new rules so I can decide whether I need to apply for residency.I have worked out if I buy a 180 day period visa from my first visit next year in April it will have expired before October half term holidays, so if I wanted to return at the end of October I would need to buy another visa, under the new law from next year are you able to buy a second 180 day visa or would I not be allowed back into Turkey. Sorry to be a thicky but dont want to book flights for October if I am not allowed in and have not gained residency. Many thanks for any replies :)
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As I understand it as long as 180 days have passed since the issue date of the visa, then you can get another one. So you need to count the number of days from when you arrive in April to when you intend returning in October.
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hi kentish maid, from my calculations your visa on arrtival 28th April will be ok until you return on 6th June (38 days).
This visa canot be renewed until 28th October(approx)
90-38 days =52 days available up to earliest renewal date :)
hope this helps you
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Many thanks Philrose, I have just counted up and the 1st visa will have expired by my return in October with more then 180 days having passed,just one more question, on the 1st visa can I have 90 days in Turkey in total if they are spread over several trips, i.e April, May and July/ August these are my normal visits as I work in education so have to come during school holidays. Thanks as always for the help :)
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Originally posted by Karennina
Many thanks Philrose, I have just counted up and the 1st visa will have expired by my return in October with more then 180 days having passed,just one more question, on the 1st visa can I have 90 days in Turkey in total if they are spread over several trips, i.e April, May and July/ August these are my normal visits as I work in education so have to come during school holidays. Thanks as always for the help :)
Yes - As long as you don't exceed 90 days in total :)
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Brilliant thanks so much have just counted the days and I will have 40days left shame I cant use them:(many thanks again Philrose:D
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Originally posted by kizkucuk
You can apply for residency in the first 15 days after you arrive
You can actually apply for residency up to one calendar month after you arrive, just done it today & was told that it was the last day I could have applied before January
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Does anyone know if wage slips as opposed to pension slips can be used to show proof of income
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again not sure about the exact criteria for Mugla province but it would not be accepted in Istanbul. It has to be money in a Turkish bank or exchange receipts in your name.
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Originally posted by saoirse
Does anyone know if wage slips as opposed to pension slips can be used to show proof of income
Correct me if Im wrong, but I think you have to show sufficient income,i.e pension, or savings in a bank account, that prove you will have sufficient to live on, during your period of residency.
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Yes so are wage slips sufficient
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I dont think so, as they would want to see some sort of savings, or income for the period of residency.They may not accept wage slips as they are not proof of future income. However, it may be best to query this issue with the Passport police.
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Simpsons thanks
Was thinking along the lines of a teacher who has sufficient ongoing income and may also be able to visit Turkey for more than 90 days hence an RP being more useful than normal visitors visa
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quote:
Originally posted by saoirse
Yes so are wage slips sufficient
No, definitely not acceptable in Istanbul anyway.
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Thank you Frank - we got a 2012 calendar out and followed your arithmetic and will be able to have a second trip out Sept/Oct providing we go home before the 180th day! Had a blonde moment about re-entering Turkey from Kos - the same Visa will be OK!
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Does anybody know what is the current visa ruleing. I have searched the Government web sites and none are updated to show any change in the old 90 days.
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http://ukinturkey.fco.gov.uk/en/help-for-british-nationals/travel-advice/travel-advice-turkey#entryRequirements This is the latest from the Embassy site,(updated 3/1/2012 and dated today 11/1/2012) I think they would have mentioned something by now [?] if indeed things were changing next month[?] as I read it its still 90 days[?] nothing has changed............ yet ;)
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It is published in the official gazette and has been since last October
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Members in the Wetherfield area should have seen it.
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Is that near Uzumlu?
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Not when it comes to drama, no...
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Dont forget when you are calculating using your fingers and toes it is is a leap year.
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You would have thought they might have informed the UK government of the so called changes to the tourist visa by now as over 2.5 million visit every year............would'nt you ? I called the embassy in Ankara today and they did not have a clue what I was on about! (nothing new there then)
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Not just the 2.5 million overall - with places like Istanbul and Belek being year round destinations, the next few weeks will see a sharp rise in cases of people arriving in Turkey but leaving after the 12th of February - what does it mean for them? And just another thought, if the new visas come in on the 12th of Feb, will you receive a 'normal' 90 day visa stamp if you arrive on the 11th? And if you do, what would happen in May if you stayed for 89 days and returned to the airport with a long ditched visa?
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According to the article, the new law will take effect on Feb 1st and not 12th.
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Who will be the first to take me up on this bet. I bet £1 that the 90/180 day visa will be history before next January.
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Keith its stated on the embassy websight that the only reason the 90/180 visa was issued was because they had ''run out of the 90 day ones'' that article is dated in August last year! I just can not see it happening, as I am sure they said they would give three months notice to the UK government?
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But it has been published in the Resmi Gazete in November.
Why should they give an extra notice to the UK government?
Doesn't the embassy read the official gazette?
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quote:
Originally posted by Dutchie
But it has been published in the Resmi Gazete in November.
Why should they give an extra notice to the UK government?
Doesn't the embassy read the official gazette?
Can you post the link to the article you have read Dutchie (in the official gazette) the Turkish government said they would inform the uk three months in advance of any chages to the tourist visa rules, and as far as I am aware no they do not read the ''Resmi Gazette'' they take the times (finacial)
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The first text that Starman has placed in this topic comes from the Resmi Gazete.
Here's a link: http://www.resmigazete.gov.tr/eskiler/2011/10/20111024-9.htm
Maybe they haven't informed the embassy since it doesn't make a big difference for regular tourists.
For them it will only be cheaper if they visit Turkey often but for short periods of time.
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Looks like the only way we will know the answer to this one is when we arrive at the airport after Feb 1st.
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I will lay odds with Kieth.
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quote:
Originally posted by Dutchie
The first text that Starman has placed in this topic comes from the Resmi Gazete.
Here's a link: http://www.resmigazete.gov.tr/eskiler/2011/10/20111024-9.htm
Maybe they haven't informed the embassy since it doesn't make a big difference for regular tourists.
For them it will only be cheaper if they visit Turkey often but for short periods of time.
so its the same link as before and translated by Highlander, it does not say you can not renew a tourist visa after the 90 days expires anywhere in that article/amendment, I will wait until I see it on the official UK embassy site. Thanks for the link Dutchie :)
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Originally posted by jackstee
I will lay odds with Kieth.
The bet is on :D
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My money's on Kieht ;)
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Originally posted by BM06
so its the same link as before and translated by Highlander, it does not say you can not renew a tourist visa after the 90 days expires anywhere in that article/amendment, I will wait until I see it on the official UK embassy site. Thanks for the link Dutchie :)
No offence to Highlander and Google Translate but it does say very clearly that the visa will be valid for 90 days within a period of 180 days.
Like it has been said before, we'll probably know in a few weeks. But then again...maybe they will finish the old stickers first and we won't know until March or so :D
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http://kalkan.turkishlocalnews.com/portal/kalkan-news/198839-new-90180-day-visa-update-3-weeks-to-go
http://www.fethiyetimes.com/expat-zone/visa/6829-new-turkish-tourist-visa-regulations-1-february-2012.html
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Never ever trust google translate or other online instant translators. They cant even correctly translate a short sentence let alone a whole page.
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Well, not that is any concern to most of you, as most of you are from the UK, but just to add to the confusion:
visitors from Belgium, do not come into the country with a passport. They just show their identity card, and get a paper slip on which the visa sticker is stuck.
Imagine, for example: a visitor from Belgium booking his holiday, being stranded at the border, because - for example - he cannot buy a new visa, because his old slip (that he threw away after his previous visit) is still valid, but will expire during his stay. Or he cannot buy a new visa because he was already 90 days in Turkey over the last 180 days, which he did not check, because he did not keep the slip.
We all know that a passport is a valuable item, so we care about it, and it is general knowledge that you need it for travelling but not for Belgians!
Furthermore these paper slips Belgians get, fall to pieces sometimes even before the end of a holiday, just by keeping it in your wallet. So for the future they will have to start keeping a file at home, to carefully preserve the slips? Well, in that case, because most of them will not remember or have kept that little piece of paper,booking a holiday in Greece sounds so much easier (same food, same weather, same sea, and nowadays same prices...), and on top of that even a bit charitable, as they help the Greek economy ;-) hmmmm.... Well, just some thoughts, maybe Belgium does not fall in the category of the 63 countries for which the new rule applies.... Just like the residency is so much cheaper for Belgians as well.... Don't ask me why.... But as usual: we will see what the future brings.... (or more accurately: what surprises the future holds for us ;-) )
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Just for the record, according to the Istanbul passport police, this new 90/180 day ruling as of Feb 1st is for all nationalities and not just at Brits.
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Sorry if this is a repetative question but with all the recent discussions concerning visas etc I have lost the plot
I ask - have we officially been advised that the 90/180 visa date of 1st February is sanctioned and holding??
If so and I have come in to Turkey prior to the 1st February (i.e. on the 'old 90 day' visa) can I still use this and do a last 'visa run'??
quote:
Originally posted by starmanTM
Just for the record, according to the Istanbul passport police, this new 90/180 day ruling as of Feb 1st is for all nationalities and not just at Brits.
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NO
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I didnt think the ruling could be anymore simpler to explain. Basically no more border jumping, 6 month visa for 90 day stay. No different then a lot of other countries. If you want to stay longer just get a short term residence, you can get them for as short as 15 days.
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Just read the latest uk gov advice which states the same 90 day multi entry rules apply, as the turkish gov have not decided when to impliment new 90/180 legislation
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Irish Embassy site says 90/180 starts for all nationalities next week, 1/2/12
http://www.embassyofireland.org.tr/home/index.aspx?id=51617
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I must say, no reply to Braveheart's final question actually answers it...I can think of no reason why he couldn't do an April 2012 island hop on an expiring 90 day visa issued the day before the 90/180 comes in, and get a new 90/180 day visa on his return..?
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This link maybe puts it into respective sand clarifies some points
http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/foreigners-leave-turkey-amid-new-residence-law.aspx?pageID=238&nID=12391&NewsCatID=339#.TyK-LwshDJI.facebook
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Possibly, but it doesn't answer Braveheart's question... :)
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is this visa law coming in to action as i come back to turkey this month and the 3 months would be out before my work permit kicks in for the summer season idont want to go out of the country for 3 months and the way the residencies are going it might be the only way which is no life to lead wen you are there full time. is there any talks like before that this law will be thrown out again n never be brought back in?
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Getting residency is "no life to lead"? Do you think you'll have to wear a headscarf or something?? What possible consequence of getting residency do you think is going to ruin your life?!
Also, I doubt you'll be getting a work permit while only holding a visitor/tourist visa.
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i work for a travel company who does my work permit for me an i dont wanna be in the country 3 months n out for 3 months my lifes there not in uk for half the yr. with residencies as they are n this im surprised if there will be many xpats left in turkey in 5 yrs time
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What on Earth are you talking about? You get residency, you then don't need to have 3 months in & 3 months out and it doesn't mean you have "no life to lead"!!! Why will there not be many expats in 5 years time??!! You are making no sense at all...
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You also need a residency to get a work permit! so the visa situation really doesn't concern you berrygirl91.
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Not that I am thinking of working here in Turkey but do you need residency if you get a work permit organised by your employer? I believe some people have this type of "licence" to work for tour companies etc. through the summer season & just wondered what they need.
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you have to have residency first, then the employer can apply for the work permit. Whether they are actually issued one or not is a different story. In the situation that you have been told you have a work permit... it's always best to check this out too.
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Originally posted by berrygirl91
and the way the residencies are going it might be the only way which is no life to lead wen you are there full time.
..... no life to lead.... hmm what do you mean by this?
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the company i work for does my residency and work permit for the summer season as i have had to go back to the uk to get the permit so it could be sent away wen the season begings. wat i mean by no no life to lead is tht when u are settled in one place last thing anyone needs is to move away ever 3 months thn back again. the 5 yrs time for xpats i mean tht they government turkish keeps puttin obsticals in the way from insurance on the rediencies wen you have thm a yr or more wen not every one can afford it or tht it wont even cover thm when they have on going illnesses so if u dont want to do tht you cant go in and out every 3 months to mais or rhodes as the new visa comes in to force in feburary to stop you. for people like i am and my family living there an happy doing the 3 month run can do it any more and the residecnys arent helpin wen people are happy paying for the treatment as an when they need it. no matter what it seems the government are tryin to get money out of the xpats no matter english dutch german or anything else its pushing people out who live there by puttin obsticals in the way
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berrygirl91 - I sympathise if you are struggling to get your points across because of langauge difficults
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I think she is from Plymouth H[?] "who da thought it" ;) :)
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I am sorry but that is one of the funniest things ive read. :D:D:D
Hahahahaha. : :) ;)
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Originally posted by berrygirl91
the company i work for does my residency and work permit for the summer season as i have had to go back to the uk to get the permit so it could be sent away wen the season begings. wat i mean by no no life to lead is tht when u are settled in one place last thing anyone needs is to move away ever 3 months thn back again. the 5 yrs time for xpats i mean tht they government turkish keeps puttin obsticals in the way from insurance on the rediencies wen you have thm a yr or more wen not every one can afford it or tht it wont even cover thm when they have on going illnesses so if u dont want to do tht you cant go in and out every 3 months to mais or rhodes as the new visa comes in to force in feburary to stop you. for people like i am and my family living there an happy doing the 3 month run can do it any more and the residecnys arent helpin wen people are happy paying for the treatment as an when they need it. no matter what it seems the government are tryin to get money out of the xpats no matter english dutch german or anything else its pushing people out who live there by puttin obsticals in the way
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I think she has done well to get a job considering.
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quote:
Originally posted by mercury
I think she has done well to get a job considering.
:D:D:D
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thanx guys i thought there was some right weirdos on here and the couiple tht have taken the mick becuase i want to make sure tht i knew the law and wat i would have to do as and wen i came back, just goes to prove that wen someone wants to know and find stuff out on this site they just get abuse and even of the one tht runs it thanx everyone but for now on i wont be comin on here again would rather find out from the man on the moon thn touch here.
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wos it sumfink we sed ?
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She probably works as an English Teacher in Turkey.:D
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I think she is from Plymouth H "who da thought it"
It's actually in "bumpkin" land just outside Plymouth.:D
http://www.whodhavethoughtitdevon.co.uk/
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Another one that has bit the dust :o
Be careful Keith the way your going you only have another 8848 members to go and you wont have a site left ;).
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I am now lmao, :D:D:D
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Hope the man on the moon knows his stuff:D
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At least he lives close to her
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Official notification of the 90 days within 180 days visa starting tomorrow.
https://www.facebook.com/ukinturkey
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Have you got a link for people that dont use facebook?
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this contains the new healthcare and visa changes
http://ukinturkey.fco.gov.uk/en/help-for-british-nationals/important-update
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thanks loobyloo, at last we have something definitive. :)
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Or do we??
http://aegeanindependent.com/?p=1324#more-1324
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How can we ever get the truth in an ever changing situation. Would like to sort out our 2012 plans for our visits to Turkey but would like to know when visa decisions will come into force or NOT?????
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They came into force today. Unless it comes from an official source, I would treat these sort of articles from these places with a pinch of salt. I could throw up a newspaper website in minutes and make an article about scunner abducted by space pikeys and half of you lot would believe it. :-)
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Keith should be so lucky :)
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Especially the half with a permanent Efes in their hand. Actually it did happen - they abducted me and hid me in Catalarik.
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Blimey, you were lucky to escape with your life Keith, some right dodgy characters up there!
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I think I know a few of them ;)
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Just so I can get it clear in my head, can we still have multiple entry up to a max 90 days in the 180 ? or is it a new visa every time.
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You can make as many trips as you like so long as the days do not add up to more then 90 in that 180 day period. You can not purchase a new visa until that 180 day one has expired, I am assuming that on day 181 you could if need be purchase another 180 day visa. Please anyone correct me if I am wrong, as that is how I am working our dates out for this year and into 2013 as my second visa I will be purchasing in October this year will still be current in 2013, so there for I am having to work out 2013 dates before booking any flights 8)
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Is there any way to purchase a 180 day visa from the UK (without actually entering Turkey till a later date) so that the first one would expire in say mid-August (when I shall be back in the UK) and then purchase a second one when going back to Turkey late August?This really does affect the flexibility of being able to travel on an unplanned basis for a flexible length of time and will probably affect the attraction of buying in Turkey in the long run. It is certainly making me think about keeping my property on for much longer!
Carpete
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I have asked this question a while back Carpete as I was thinking like you how the new visa will effect my trips, I work in education so have to go away when the schools close.Apparantly you can purchase a visa from the embassy in London and I believe it is around £58, plus the expense to get to London,the only other thing to do is forward planning (where possible) or get residency which is what we will probably do at some stage though I dont think we will do that this year :)
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Unless you live in London and can afford a few hours of queuing and hanging about, I should think residency is a far better option.
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Yes I totally agree KKOB that is the route we will go down eventually, just have to see how the new visa pans out for us first of all:D
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Karennina, I was lead to understand that once a 180 day visa expires you cannot renew until 91 days has elapsed.
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www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZImSdnanWhs
:D: :)
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Oh my gawd I dont know now Kenkay! I thought as soon as day 181 or more rocked around you could then buy a new 180 day visa, if I am wrong then I have to do more planning and rethinking:(
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As I said before would like to sort out our trips to Turkey but the rules seem to be ever changing. If you had to wait another 90 days after 180 to go back to Turkey surely that would mean 90 in any 270!?!?
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If the purpose of the visa is to stop ex pats residing in Turkey using tourist visas then they cannot be consecutive or the Mais/Rhodes trips would still be possible.
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There really is no need for all this confusion - you can stay for 90 days in any 180 day period. It is impossible to island hop as you can only stay for 50% of the year. The best you could do is line two up, stay the last 90 days of the first and the first 90 days of the second (if it could be practical) - meaning a 6 month stay preceded by a 90 day period out of Turkey and followed by another 90 day period out of Turkey. This quite obviously does not allow expats to live full time in Turkey without residency, I am sure that is now crystal clear. The nett result, however you use your 90/180 day visas is: 50% of the year in Turkey, 50% out.
The 91 days people are talking about is where you get your 90 day/180 visa and take it to the maximum straight away (i.e. use it to stay the first available 90 days. Due to the 180 day rule, you have now used you 90 days up for that visa and 91 days later is your next chance to enter Turkey - 91 days being the day after the 180 day visa you took runs out. Nothing to do with 91 days after the 180 days!!!
Also, if that wasn't explanation enough, I understand issue of consecutive visas at places like Kas is over for good.
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The reason I was getting confused again today was where the need to leave Turkey for 90 days came into the equation, the way you have put it Keith I now understand, as soon as you have used your 90 days up during that visa you have to leave the country.If you do not use the 90 days up you still have to wait for that visa to expire before purchasing a new one, but once day 181 rocks around you can buy your 2nd visa and so on. In fact I will be saving money as I often only have maybe five days left on arrival so have always had to buy a new one again, with the new rules it is not possible to buy any more then two in one calander year. Please anyone correct me if what I have put is wrong I too am keen to get the facts 100% right before I book flights that I may not be able to use due to maybe having already had my 90 days[:o)]
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Well it does give you twice the length of time to fit your visits into so that is a positive. Unlike the 90 day visa, you can have a week in May and a week in September on the same £10 visa now. How you use your 90 days is entirely up to you - from visiting for the 1st day of the 180 and the last 89, or the first 90, or 12 separate weeks etc. - The only important thing to keep in mind is to know the actual date of the 180th day and make sure not be in Turkey for a period including the days and after that date - even if you have plenty of your 90 days left. Make sure you are home and dry before that 180th day, or your trip to Dalaman will be even more annoying than it normally is :)
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Its my understanding from all that I have read including some posts on this thread that its a 180 day visa within which time you are allowed to stay up to 90 days and if you are in Turkey on the 180th day and this is the 90th or any other day of the 90 you must leave Turkey on that date but can return on the 181st when you can obtain a new 90/180 visa; but you need to spend that one night outside of Turkey, there is no overlapping of visas any more
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Yes - but to be clear this does not allow continuous full time living in Turkey.
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At the risk of being dense, can I get a visa here in the UK say 20th Feb for 180 days.Use it for 21 days in March, 49 days in May,June,July (total)70 days. The visa would expire presumably on 20th August. Then I could reenter Turkey on 26th August and stay for about 42 days on a second visa of 180 days which would presumably expire mid Feb 2013? This would at least give flexibility regarding flight and length of stays. I have tried to phone the Embassy but no joy. Anyone know what their requirements are please? I now have a headache with all this counting :)
Carpete
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Are you really saying that you prefer to make an appointment at the Consulate and pay £68.00 plus the cost of travelling to and from London rather than get a RP as soon as you arrive in March.
Don't forget that the visa runs from the date of issue and the timing of the appointment and issue is out of your hands
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Yes Carpete but you have the date wrong for leaving. If you purchase a visa 20th Feb it is calculated on 180 days not 6 months. After having stayed 90 days in total at various times you must leave on or before 18th August. Then you can return 19th August for another 90 days out of 180 but you must leave on or before 15 February 2013.
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Carpete if you are going to be in Turkey for a period of 42 days you would defo be better off getting a rp, there is plenty of info on here on how to go about it and I believe you can apply for one whilst you are there on a 180/90 day visa it is much cheaper now and I think a simpler process to go through, though I think someone has posted on here that it has to be obtained at a certain period within your trip,that is what we are going to do eventually when the time comes that we will be spending longer periods in Turkey, I too was thinking like you about obtaining the visa in advance but the expense and hassle of London has made me realise obtaining an rp will hopefully be far cheaper and easier in the long run :)
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Can we do 180/360 ?
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Where is the shoot myself in the head smiley?
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Try the 'temple' it's sure to work and causes less mess provided you stand with your back to a wall !!!!!
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I can't see what all the fuss is about here - you can stay for 90 days in any 180 days. You can come and go as many times as you wish within that 180 days as long as you do not stay more than 90 days in total. If you use the 90 days straight away you will have to leave the country for 90 days before you can renew your visa.
At the end of the 180 days you start again with another 90 days allowance.
For those that want to stay more than 90 days in 180 then it's about £50 for a 1 year residency permit.
Simples.
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Can I just say that although it doesn't affect us, it seemed quite clear to me from others and now stoops post as to what the prevailing conditions were.
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Ah!....but what happens if there is a 'R' in the month?: :) ;)
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Stoop.Thats now 3 of us who have said exactly the same thing on the last two pages alone and still someone will wake up from their winter hibernation ,not bother reading what has gone before and ask the same question.
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Nah ! this topic is dead :D: :)
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I have dual nationality and could get 2 passports. Will that mean that I will be able to stay for 360 days without leaving and could I spend the missing 5 days in Rhodes?
(just joking)
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Ah, but.....this year is a leap year so you would have to stay in Rhodes for 6 days.:D
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Originally posted by Highlander
Can I just say that although it doesn't affect us
It could affect you - and anyone - if you visit in (say) May and decide it was so good that you book to go back in October - booking flights/a holiday arriving within the original 180 days but leaving after the 180 days is up.
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Originally posted by Scunner
There really is no need for all this confusion - you can stay for 90 days in any 180 day period. It is impossible to island hop as you can only stay for 50% of the year. The best you could do is line two up, stay the last 90 days of the first and the first 90 days of the second (if it could be practical) - meaning a 6 month stay preceded by a 90 day period out of Turkey and followed by another 90 day period out of Turkey. This quite obviously does not allow expats to live full time in Turkey without residency, I am sure that is now crystal clear. The nett result, however you use your 90/180 day visas is: 50% of the year in Turkey, 50% out.
The 91 days people are talking about is where you get your 90 day/180 visa and take it to the maximum straight away (i.e. use it to stay the first available 90 days. Due to the 180 day rule, you have now used you 90 days up for that visa and 91 days later is your next chance to enter Turkey - 91 days being the day after the 180 day visa you took runs out. Nothing to do with 91 days after the 180 days!!!
Also, if that wasn't explanation enough, I understand issue of consecutive visas at places like Kas is over for good.
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No Marggie, the idea is YOU write something, not repost something someone said days ago...
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The way I understand it is if you have been in Turkey for a maximum of 90 days out of your 180 days and leave Turkey on your 180th day you can then purchase a new 90/180 day visa on the 181st day. Surely you do not have to return to the UK to obtain this!
Surely it an be obtained in Meis or Rhodes!
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http://www.timeanddate.com/date/dateadded.html?d1=01&m1=06&y1=2011&type=add&ay=&am=&ad=89&aw
I think I got this off here a while ago and it's very handy for time/date calculations
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quote:
Originally posted by Marggie
The way I understand it is if you have been in Turkey for a maximum of 90 days out of your 180 days and leave Turkey on your 180th day you can then purchase a new 90/180 day visa on the 181st day. Surely you do not have to return to the UK to obtain this!
Surely it an be obtained in Meis or Rhodes!
Turkish Visas have never been obtainable in Meis or Rhodes. Even if you could go to Meis or Rhodes, you STILL can't stay in Turkey permanently - 90 days after returning from Meis or Rhodes, you must leave Turkey for 90 more days. So to explain once again - you can stay in Turkey for 50% of the year maximum, whether you choose to go to Rhodes, or Meis, or the UK.
And to reiterate the other point - I understand people going to Meis from Kas for the day will not be getting a new visa on their return anymore - and this is likely to be the same in Marmaris and Fethiye for those having a nice day in Rhodes.
The days of living in Turkey permanently on consecutively running visitor visas are well and truly over folks - 6 months in every year is all you will be able to wangle from now on.
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I am struggling to see what all the fuss is about. You can spend a maximum 90 days in a 180 consecutive day period in Turkey.You can come and go as much as you like providing you do not spend more than 90 days in that 180 day visa period. If the 90th day is also the last day of the 180 day period, yes you can go to Rhodes and get a new 90/180 visa on the way back.bear in mind what Scunner said this is stopping because people living the islands near Turkey will be able to enter without a visa.You will still have to spend 90 days out of the country during the life of the new visa.That is how I understand the rules.
If you visit Turkey more than once you will just have to plan it to ensure you stay within the 90/180 day rule or you may have to do a trip out of the country during your visit.
This subject has been beaten to death.
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So as I see it its 90 in 90 out thats what its all about woorrrrrrrr http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qK0M0v-j4-c :D:D
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PMSL! :D:D:D
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Smoke has got in your eyes BMO6
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Originally posted by BM06
So as I see it its 90 in 90 out thats what its all about woorrrrrrrr http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qK0M0v-j4-c :D:D
love it :D:D
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how are the Brits that i know who are working in Calis going to get around this,or can you work with a residency permit.
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No, you can not work with a residency permit alone you need to have a work permit as well as residency to work legally here.
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I assume you meant "comply with" rather than "get around this" jan deli.
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I know this couple have always done the visa run and work at pool cleaning/gardeners I just feel that it's taking work away from the local people.Theres a lot of unrest in the UK about overseas workers taking jobs with high unemployment here,do the Turkish feel the same or are there working resrictions for non Turkish.
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It would seem to me that this couple must know that they need a work permit :o.
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It also seems to me that the least they can do is return some of that illegally made revenue back by buying a residency permit - even before the new changes and they are forced to do so!
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Surely it would make much better sense and be financially beneficial for the Turkish economy if people could stay for 180 days/360. People with property here may not want a residency visa but they may wish to use their property from May through to October,
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Why? Turkey has harmonised its visa regime with the rest of Europe. many other countries have the same visa rules so I fail to understand what the big fuss is. After all it is a tourist visa you get and normally how many tourists stay for longer than 90 days in a 6 month period.
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Well said Starman !
If people do want to have 90/180 visas they can always go on the 180th day and play tourist for a day and night in Rhodes, Kos or wherever
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Originally posted by starmanTM
After all it is a tourist visa you get and normally how many tourists stay for longer than 90 days in a 6 month period.
Retired ones that wish to come and go to their Turkish holiday homes for maybe more than 90 days in the summer months but spend the rest of the time - and 6 months in the winter at home in UK - their country of residence.
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Retired ones that wish to come and go to their Turkish holiday homes for maybe more than 90 days in the summer months but spend the rest of the time - and 6 months in the winter at home in UK - their country of residence.
Its not as though there isn't a visa option to enable them to do exactly that,and all of the people I know who fall into that category and who's Turkish residency pattern does not fall into the 90/180 day cycle have taken out RP.
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The Turkish consulate states this:
Please note: tourist visas do not give you the right to take up paid or unpaid employment or to reside, or to study (including student exchange program) or to establish yourself in business in Turkey.
If one wants to stay longer than 90 days then just get a RP for 3 months, works out a lot cheaper then a plane ticket out of the Country and back again and doesnt effect your residence in the UK.
You become a non resident of the UK if your visits to the UK do not average 91 days or more a tax year over a maximum of four years.
So a person who spends more than 91 days in a tax year in the UK is still resident of the UK.
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Originally posted by Scunner
Who will be the first to take me up on this bet. I bet £1 that the 90/180 day visa will be history before next January.
I am beginning to think that you could be quite right on this scunner.
Did anybody take you up on your bet?
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Ha ha artie - sadly not one person...