Calis Beach and Fethiye Turkey Discussion Forum
General Topics => The Debating Chamber => Topic started by: Scunner on November 23, 2009, 12:28:53 PM
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I was watching one of these programmes that follow the police during their daily routine.
They received a call saying that a gang had attached a card skimming machine and were back to take it away, together with all the information they had skimmed so they could start using it to make thousands of pounds worth of fdraudulent transactions with other people's cards.
It was very impressive as false things go - painted the correct colour, all required electronics inside to read the magnetic strip and a camera to record the PIN number being inputted. The commentary confirmed that £1 million A DAY is lost to card fraudsters.
The police were, in fairness, brilliant. They got to the scene, blocked their car in and unbelievably perhaps managed to arrest all 5 of the gang members, even though they scarpered off in all directions. One was floored within about 2 metres, another policeman managed to detain two gang members on his own, great stuff.
Now, due to the appearance, and more importantly their reactions to police orders, it seemed quite apparent these conmen weren't British. They didn't seem to understand what they were being ordered to do at all.
They were all charged, then bailed to appear at a later date.
NOT ONE OF THEM TURNED UP AND NOW NOBODY KNOWS WHERE THEY ARE!!!
Why the hell do the police even bother.
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it's the way the country is right now Kieth, however you, as the police know where you live etc and me are stuffed for even a parking ticket etc.
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TOUGH ON CRIME--TOUGH ON THE CAUSES OF CRIME. blairio 1997. :-\:-\
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Identity cards.
Steve.
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slightly off topic ok way off, I went to shop in MK today and was about to park my car out side the some council office which used to be cheap parking when I noticed that the parking had moved to peak charges and looking up I noticed the coucil offices building was empty what a suprise!
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You don't need identity cards. When, on a rare occasion, you catch criminals red handed, don't let them out of your sight until they are through the courts and banged up.
Simple really.
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There are a few of solutions to this.
1 no parole the sentence you get is what you do
2 deport all illegal immigrants straight away
3 make the prison regime harsher criminals would think twice
4 build bigger prisons with smaller cells then all offenders can be locked up until court appearance no bail
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5. Build bigger prisons and add 2p to income tax to pay for them all. But use every 2p to do this, with fully open accounts.
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Put then on chain gangs they can pay for there own keep
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When I used to sell paint (come on someone had to) this is what EVERYONE thought. I used to speak to dozens of people every day from shop floor to boardroom and EVERYONE was talking about it, north to south, east to west. If everyone agrees, who is preventing it?
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its all this human right tosh it should be that when you commit more than a minor crime you sign away, that right
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I travel all over the West midlands,meet new people almost daily,some of them second generation immigrants,and everybody is raising the same concerns.Fergies former maid,jailed for a minimum of 12 years,put in an open prison after 6,and promptly walked out,is being sought as the police are "worried about her welfare".What about ours?.She clubbed her boyfriend unconscious,then sat on him and repeatedly stabbed him for refusing to marry her.See this link for police priorities.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-1230680/What-kind-country-arrests-innocent-people-boost-DNA-database.html
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Watching this one with interest as I like seeing peoples opinions and views.Little bit shocked to see somone totally taken by the well known anti police,anti govt Daily Mail slander tactics.It is the law which allows the taking of DNA,the police can only act within the law therefore the taking of samples is legal,simple really !I have been in the job 22yrs and have NEVER heard of or known of anyone arrested just to take DNA this would be illegal and certainly challenged,I HAVENT SEEN ANY EVIDENCE OF SUCH A CHALLENGE.
The article then waffles on about ID crds and the writers daughters medical records etc etc - nothing to do with the police or the ARTICLE HEADING - somewhat sensationalist I say.
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Steve A.I was a little bit shocked when I was wrongly arrested,humiliated,put in a cell,released the next day from the cell,told I had been cleared of any wrongdoing, BUT,I now had to be photographed,fingerprinted,DNA tested,drugs tested,and give a taped interview.Since then I have fought to get my details removed from police records and the database,Three weeks ago I won,and they have now been removed.During this period I have found out a few things about "the system".The UK was ordered by the EU Courts to remove innocent peoples details from record as it is ILLEGAL to keep them.Following lobbying from the chief constables the Government has chosen to ignore the courts,so it is now acting unlawfully.It is also easier to arrest someone now than take them in for questioning.So more people are ending up on the database.How can any of this be allowed??
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Kevin3 Iam sure you were shocked by the whole experience but it is nice to see that the due process of law was followed through, an investigation into the circumstances carried out and the facts prevailed hence your release.The law in this country allows the taking of photographs,DNA and in certain cases drug test from those arrested for a recordable offence hence my statement"It is the law which allows the taking of DNA,the police can only act within the law therefore the taking of samples is legal,simple really !"
The keeping of samples taken when a person has been released with No Further Action is something subject of massive debate at present ,it would appear to breach European law,was appealed and subsequently ignored by the Govt as at present the premier legal framework in this country is still British law not EU.This may change in the future in the meantime there are various complaint mechanisms from local complaints regarding procedure etc ,through IPPC enqs right up to judicial review for matters of legislation etc.Because of the free democratic society we live in we are allowed to follow these paths without hindrance or prejudice and again the "system" appears to work as you have had your samples removed,well done to you.
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Steve A.The "system" got me into my predicament.Determination,and some very helpful and concerned police officers got me out of it.
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Glad to hear it Kevin3 good luck