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Other Local Resorts & Areas => Hisaronu Discussion Forum => Topic started by: Sleuth on October 21, 2011, 16:49:41 PM
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We have stayed in Hisaronu for 18 weeks this season ( we go back to the UK 24th Oct ) In 10 years of coming here as far as visitors .. this has been the worst season by far.. many establishments closed / closing very early, and many have closed permanently.. it really feels like the `boom time` is over and I fear next season will be worse and it will turn into a `ghost town` in many areas, particularly the side streets off Bar Street. Its not just the bars and restaurants feeling it... many shops also have had a dire season. I must say one could see this coming as H has always, it seems had far to many shops / bars / restaurants / clothes shops etc.. per head of people. With the exchange rate this year the best ever, even that cant draw the visitors in numbers to H .
Olu Deniz and Fethiye have both had a good season we were told by reliable sources... but Hisaronu ? looks like the party is over.
What kind of season has Calis or Ovacik had ? Has it been a similar scenario ?
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I totally agree that there are so many shops and bars per head in Hisaronu but it is a bit difficult to reduce the number of the places after this stage.The main problem with Hisaronu is being depended on British tourists only.Oludeniz,Fethiye and Calis dont suffer much because they already got people from all over the world.Dutch,Russian,German,Polish etc.The high rate Pound get against lira didnt help much either as it can only work if you have some Pounds to change in your pocket :)The last point is we had very rainy and chilly weather both in the beginning of the season and at the end of the season.Hisaronu is located 400 mt above sea level and it is very cold to sit and chat outside with holiday clothes on.Still Hisaronu is a very nice place and it can offer really nice things for all of us once the economy in UK get better and we have visitors with more money but less worries...
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I think you are both entirely right - I was in both during World Cup 2006 and the difference was amazing - it's a really clear indicator when you can see the bars full of German fans one night and the orange shirts of the Dutch the next etc (and the frustrated faces of the England fans!) in Calis - whereas in Hisaronu the football fans were pretty much all English.
Whether one resort in Turkey can survive on clients from one country is debatable to say the least - especially when they are currently English. Things are not good anywhere but particularly tough here in the UK. I also wonder if Hisaronu gave what people wanted - or gave what they thought people wanted. I see nothing remarkable about a row of bars and restaurants up a mountain trying to outdo their neighbours with their "music" and I never have. Do people really want Egg & Chips and an Efes from a menu priced in sterling? I wonder if they have year after year customers returning like Calis does in hundreds, or perhaps the return of Hisaronu holidaymakers is weak. I suspect that it is.
I seem to offend Hisaronu lovers on CBF year in year out and it is not my intention. To me there is no reason for it to be there as a holiday resort, it is a road on the way to a holiday resort. It is sold based on ludicrous cheapness for both hotels and holidays, I have highlighted hotels for £2 per day per room - how can anywhere survive? If it does survive, it will be down to Brits who want 7 days for £99 including flights, full English and an Efes for a fiver and if that can't be done next year they'll go to wherever it can be.
(Scunner ducks...)
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Goodness me Scunner it must be something to do with this time of year, I happen to agree with you yet AGAIN. : :) ;)[:o)]
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That is twice in about six years yet at the same time twice in three days? :D
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We stayed in a hotel in Hisaronu for five years but got fed up because the rooms went downhill. We always liked the atmosphere in the hotel but it could get a bit noisy if folk wanted to sleep and their room was near the bar.
it has ben refurbished and soundproofed and we have always had a great welcome there even when we didn't stay.
The restuarant has some of the best food to be found out there. We don't bother going up the street to eat. here are a couple of out of the way rstuarants we have used but tend to eat mostly in the hotel.That is apart from our favorite Fethiye restuarant. Mosaic Bahce.
Walikng up the street after dinner is nice things to see, Turkish and British families wandering around. The shops however are all selling the same stuff and more variety is needed.
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We stayed up the mountain for 2 nights last month, Gordon loves Hisaronu, the noise the nightlife, bars the lot! me I don't mind it during the day but night time it is all my nightmares comes true! but how could I resist B&B 2 night for £6 total?
(Oh and not to forget the Tsunami and breakfast entertainment, or should that be insults ;))
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The thing is that you can basically get what His offers for £199 ( and as low as £99 in some cases) including flight and accom if you go to Spain or Portugal. Flight costs have been a major factor in why people are probably heading elsewhere. Times are hard for many.
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Originally posted by Scunner
it is a road on the way to a holiday resort.
Don't think we have ever stopped on the way through to Olu Deniz. Hate the look of the place.
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Unfortunately some of the bar/restaurant and shop owners are contributing to the decline by addressing the drop in customers by increasing the costs for those who continue to go there whether for a holiday or for a quick visit.
We've seen a hike in prices which seem to rise as the same rate as visitor numbers fall. Also the bizarre way in which places price in GBP. We got caught out at Codswallop recently when we were conned into paying £8.50 a head for mediocre fish and cold chips.
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Originally posted by heather07
We stayed in a hotel in Hisaronu for five years but got fed up because the rooms went downhill.
That's what happens to buildings on a mountain when Hanel Houses are involved. ;)
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Originally posted by loz
We stayed up the mountain for 2 nights last month, Gordon loves Hisaronu, the noise the nightlife, bars the lot! me I don't mind it during the day but night time it is all my nightmares comes true! but how could I resist B&B 2 night for £6 total?
You will probably think we are mad but we payed £326 + flights for 9 nights. Before it was refurbished we were £126. We are getting older and want to be comfortable. Rooms are great, food is great, all freshly prepared and NOT overpriced and entertainment is there to take or leave. Suits us.
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Couldn't disagree more with the sweeping generalisations and highly partial views being expressed here - and LOL even by people who have never tried Hisaranu:D. There are good and there are bad things to be said about the English Village, but certainly it is not all bad.
There are some of the best restaurants in the Fethiye area, serving great Turkish, Indian, Chinese, Carribean and yes British food. Scunner you'll have to remind me where your favourite curry house is located in the Fethiye area??[ ;)
The bars are not so very different from most of those in Calis or any other Turkish town trying to provide what the visitors like. All trying to pull in the paying punters by a variety of means including loud music. I suppose the big difference is that there are more bars in H than C!!
There are the many fairground type attractions, now I don't want to avail myself of these instruments of torture, but I know that many people, Brits, Turks and others who do. SO H does a great job of giving people what they want. Shopping, I am reliably informed, isn't too bad either.
As to business owners tucking up visitors in Hisaranu, whilst not welcoming it in any shape or form, we all know this goes on at all the 'resorts', including Calis, and from my own experience particularly in Olu Deniz. Blimey CBF is full of those sorts of justified complaints!
I have heard these sniffy types of remarks before expressed about Blackpool, Benidorm or even Brighton, often from people living close by. You know those people living in Hove or Calis actually!! You may not want to spend your whole holiday in H, but it is at least worth a visit for a night or two, for a different - not a bad - experience. Viv la difference ... as they say ;)
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Originally posted by usedbustickets
Scunner you'll have to remind me where your favourite curry house is located in the Fethiye area??
As a person who lived there for 5 years my favourite curry house in the Fethiye area was Shine in Hisaronu. I went there three times in those 5 years. Had I been there on holiday I think I could have managed a week or two without their vague attempts at Indian cuisine quite easily and if I have been to 100 Indian restaurants in the UK (which I probably have) each and every one was immeasurably better than Shine in Hisaronu! Needs must etc and it was a fair attempt but not something I would make the effort to head to Hisaronu on holiday for!!!
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All very good usedbustickets but if, as Sleuth says, the resort is struggling then it's obviously NOT offering what most holiday makers want.
As I said - you can go to Spain or Portugal (on a 2.5 hour flight vs 4 hours)and get the same for less.. and a beach to boot :)
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"Hate the look of the place" is a statement of fact not a sweeping generalisation
I am highly partial to Calis
...by a variety of means including loud music - the very thing I want to avoid.
...the big difference is that there are more bars in H than C exactly very to many for me.
...There are the many fairground type attractions - not what I'm looking for in my holiday resort (shock :))
...shopping, I am reliably informed, isn't too bad either - what can I buy in H that I can't in Calis or Fethiye
...sniffy types of remarks - not sniffy to prefer one location to another.
..it is at least worth a visit for a night or two, for a different - not a bad - experience. What would you recommend and why.
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Quite correct Stoop. I also make my earlier point again - does Hisaronu have the return business that Calis most certainly does? Calis must be one of the most revisited resorts in the World and that still isn't enough to make it look busy at some times during the season. I really can't imagine the vast majority of cheap package Brits being impressed enough to make the effort to go back - next year Magaluf or somewhere new that is giving away hotel rooms.
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Originally posted by stoop
All very good usedbustickets but if, as Sleuth says, the resort is struggling then it's obviously NOT offering what most holiday makers want.
As I said - you can go to Spain or Portugal (on a 2.5 hour flight vs 4 hours)and get the same for less.. and a beach to boot :)
Visiting resorts in Spain and Portugal that are struggling as Hisaranu is suffering, indeed as Calis is suffering, in these tightened financial times. I think you'll find that the overall number of holidays being taken by Brits, and other nationals, are down. And that there are very few - if any - holiday destinations that are doing great business. Unfortunately the name of the game in the holiday industry is beggar my neighbour, as a contracting number of people are taking foreign holiday. Sadly the the different holiday destinations are starting to become involved in a race to the bottom to survive.
All I have said in my piece is that the current economic problems being felt in H and other places does not make Hisaranu - as some are saying or implying in this thread - a bad place to visit. Whether the visit is for an evening or a fortnight, there is something for most people to enjoy ... even just a cooler summer evening than those places in the area at, or just above, sea level.
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Originally posted by Highlander
"Hate the look of the place" is a statement of fact not a sweeping generalisation
I am highly partial to Calis
...by a variety of means including loud music - the very thing I want to avoid. I am sure you do want to avoid it H, but loud music can be heard in, for example, Olu Deniz and Calis .. it is not exclusive to Hisaranu
...the big difference is that there are more bars in H than C exactly very to many for me. I do not have arithmetical proof but I'd have judged that the ratio of bars to other tourist businesses is about the same in Hisaranu as Calis, but you don't have to patronise any bar, whether in Hisaranu or Calis
...There are the many fairground type attractions - not what I'm looking for in my holiday resort (shock :)) Nor me, and that is what I said, but it is one of the things that some people do enjoy, and indeed one of the things that people often like to see in any place, is people enjoying themselves
...shopping, I am reliably informed, isn't too bad either - what can I buy in H that I can't in Calis or Fethiye - don't know, as I implied shopping isn't my thing, but do go and have a look, that it is the sort of things that shoppers tend to do isn't it?
...sniffy types of remarks - not sniffy to prefer one location to another. it is when you haven't tried the other!!
..it is at least worth a visit for a night or two, for a different - not a bad - experience. What would you recommend and why. I thought I had done that in my original note, but obviously not enough to convince you H. c'est la vie ... you can make some of the people happy some of the time, but not all of the people all of the time
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Sorry to state the obvious but what imo has had the greatest effect on H (not highlander) has been the AI hotels opening up every where, you will see a big change in C in the next couple of years when the 2 big AI hotels open up, the small family run hotels will follow as they did in H but just can not compete, most of the small market shops will go, and the restaurants, bars, will follow, progress[?] I am not so sure:-\ I do hope this is not the case, but I very much doubt it.
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BM06 you are so right, and those little things that give Turkey an edge, such as good service, different cultural experience, great food, are either driven out or are all merged into bland sameness, delivered by an ever decreasing number of bigger suppliers.
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When I go up to Hisaronu to get my nails done I often sit next to women who go regularly to the place. In May I was speaking to a lady that has come twice per year for 18 years. I like Hisaronu for the beauty place and for the cheap shops. It's great day time, but we made the mistake of going up there for a meal one evening and afterward decided on a walk around the streets and having drink somewhere. We could not believe the noise and the amount of people trying to drag us into places.
We decided to leave and go back to the peace and quiet of Calis.
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Originally posted by Highlander
..it is at least worth a visit for a night or two, for a different - not a bad - experience. What would you recommend and why.
UBT - I was wondering if you could recommend somewhere in Hisaronu so that I can give it a try next time.
Must be a quiet bar, with a lovely view and soft background music, where I can relax in comfortable surroundings and in the company of friendly staff.
PS Mrs H agrees with you on the sniffy remarks issue:(
PPS Hope I've spelt everything correctly ;).
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Hisaronu's often referred to by locals as Hiroshima. Says it all really. :D
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......and the good thing about living in Kemer is we can take it and leave it when finished (Hisaranu that is!), as with all the resorts around the area. But agree with most money is the thing at the moment.
But tonight for the first time we are off for a look at calis for a while, having a sneaky look round for a bottle of london pride so i can harvest the yeast if possible so off to find cafe pazar - will report back later!
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Unfortunately Highlander `quiet bars ` and there used to be a few here years ago in Hisaronu, but they lacked customers which equated to `no profit ` which mean`t `closures` sadly :( Everywhere around here, most of the brits either want to hear Tom Jones type of stuff or any up tempo / type english music :-( and the turkish bar staff do not, and never will, understand the words `can you turn the volume down please` It is a big problem here.
If you want what you are looking for in Hisaronu... my wife and I always say that the best `bar` for us is... on a balmy night .. sat on our terrace.. lovely view..listening to my music ...looking up at the stars and the mountainous backdrop... good company and a Brandy or two mmmmmmmm beats them all [^]
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KKOB you refer to Hisaronu as Hiroshima ..but much as I love walking to and around Kaya, and enjoy one or two restaurants over there...its nice to visit, but sorry .. to live there with that solititude would crack me up.. not for me I really dont envy you .. but each to their own .
Incidentally we were told today that even Kaya`s restaurants have suffered this season from lack of customers... soooo many people walking around with AI wrist bands apparantly.
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I wonder what Hisaronu lovers would do if they landed the job of marketing the place. Serious point and question - People should holiday in Hisaronu because...
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To KKOB - fancy meeting for a drink in Kaya tonight ;)
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Hisaronu has been in decline for a number of years. When we went there in the late 90s you would struggle to get from one end of the village to the other because of the number of holidaymakers. It has been a long time since those numbers have been there. Over the years holidaymakers requirements have changed and Hisaronu has been left behind.I am surprised that someone has not thought of trying to make the season longer. It has got some of the best walks that you could want. Although the weather is not great during the winter months it is more than acceptable for hiking.
In 20 years the basic structure has not really changed. Many of the hotels are tired and dated.The place became saturated with bars and eating establishments.When we first started going there the food was some of the best that I had ever tasted anywhere. Each year you now have this over saturation competing for fewer customers.As times have got harder it seems that the restaurants have increased their prices and served up inferior food in order to recoup lost revenue and profit.I can understand the shorterm logic of this because the rents in Hisaronu that they pay for their establishments are extortionate. A friend of ours ran a restaurant and at the end of the season he had to sell his car to pay off his debts. I do not remember the exact figure he had to pay but I did a rough calculation and he would have had to fill the restaurant every night of the season to make a profit that would have allowed him to provide for his family for the 6 month off season.
I am probably going to get shot down in flames for saying this. I think part of the Turkish mentality is to keep flogging the same old donkey.If it made loads of money last year, it will do the same this year,next year and every year after.Like everything else if you do not reinvest then you will lose ground and that is what is happening to Turkey.What I have written is pretty general but it does apply to many businesses but not to all and it is not my intention to tar everyone with the same brush.
The Costa Del sol has remarketed itself from the larger louts to the more sophisticated market.This is the problem for Turkey in that the EU countries like Spain, Portugal and Greece are now competing more agressively for the same holiday market.
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Originally posted by Scunner
I wonder what Hisaronu lovers would do if they landed the job of marketing the place. Serious point and question - People should holiday in Hisaronu because...
I saw the pictures of Olu Denis beach on a brochure went to the travel agents and told them that was where I wanted to go. I was worried about the heat and they advised that I went to Hisaronu as it was cooler up the mountain.
I loved every minute of that first visit to Turkey in 2001, so much we went back in September and have returned to Turkey every year since. May and September this year.
I like that we get a great welcome in the hotel, I feel at home, good food, entertainment that I can take part in or leave, handy for Olu Denis beach or Fethiye. I can wander about at night if I want and there is plenty to see. Sitting at dinner or on the balcony there are majestic mountains to look at.
Been to Calis, used villas and other hotels but are happy with our first choice. In Calis I missed the buzz and being able to wander round the shops.
I will never convince you that Hisaronu is better than Calis, but I will advise people that if they want nightlife then go to Hissy and if you want quiet go to Calis...would you give same advice??
PS.... I will NOT tell them to go to the same hotel as me because it is too popular and getting more so since refurb.: :) ;)
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Originally posted by Highlander
To KKOB - fancy meeting for a drink in Kaya tonight ;)
Yes mate, love to.
I might be a bit on the late side though 'cos we're in Wrexham. :(
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Originally posted by Sleuth
KKOB you refer to Hisaronu as Hiroshima
No I don't. I said that many locals refer to it as that. We just call it Hissy.
We rarely go up there during the season as we're not keen on the type of people that it caters for, nor all the "Yes please, yes please" bullsh1t, rip-off attitude and noise. Apart from that, it's fine. ;)
I'd have been more surprised if you'd said that the restaurants in Kaya hadn't suffered from lack of custom. Apart from the Tuesday afternoon hordes bused in after the morning visit to Fethiye Market and the convoys of quad-bikes creating noise and clouds of dust there isn't much to attract the 'Dobbers' away from their All-day Breakfasts, Fish 'n Chips and Efes. :D
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KKOB `the types of people it caters for` are you meaning the big bellied, tattooed, beer swilling, wearing their football shirts types ? ( and thats just the women ) lol or the gangs of girls walking up bar street in their skirts up to their arses, and their 6 inch high heels hoping all the turks will ogle them... and they do of course !! but actually the majority of visitors are decent middle aged well behaved folk who are not here for cheap booze, sun, and english breafasts !!! ;)
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That's the problem mate, the decent middle-aged well behaved folk are in the minority. ;)
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Was on a bus from Olu Deniz in June and listened to this chap telling his daughter that she could go for a sleep before they went to the line dancing and the bingo.:(
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Obviously on there way back to Calis with you then H :-\
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No BM06 - I'm more a dominoes' man :)
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I think it's good to have a place like H, it keeps all the chavs and likewise people in one place, saves them going into Fethiye and Calis, just my opinion!
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Originally posted by Karabag
I think it's good to have a place like H, it keeps all the chavs and likewise people in one place, saves them going into Fethiye and Calis, just my opinion!
I am not a chav and the majority of people I met in the hotel were not chavs. We do not stay in one place and are always welcome any time we go to Mosaic Bahce. Or in Calis when we go to see a rather popular barman there that used to work in Hissy.
So a silly statement in my opinion. Especially when original post was to ask if Calis and Fethiye had a poor season.
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Originally posted by Karabag
I think it's good to have a place like H, it keeps all the chavs and likewise people in one place, saves them going into Fethiye and Calis, just my opinion!
Oh yes, and Calis is full of toffs init, what a silly statement, and as Heather said the topics about the season had by the other areas mentioned, not your opinion on a resort:-\
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And how often has the opening post in a CBF topic still been the question discussed by page 5 :D
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Originally posted by Scunner
And how often has the opening post in a CBF topic still been the question discussed by page 5 :D
probably not a lot ....but I still ain't no chav: :) ;)[:(!]
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I think in Hisaronu people can tend to stay in their hotels
Friends of mine work in Asena Village and it is always packed there, they do half board so people stay for meals then they have lots of entertainment too.
I dont particuarly like Hisaronu but if you want to be near Olu Deniz but need somewhere cheaper to stay then it is ideal
More for kids to do up there what with the little funfair, bouncy castles and go karts
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My original post on here was about the decline of visitors this year to Hisaronu. But of course,I might have expected you `Calis``ites` on here would turn it into your annual `Hisaronu bashing` time :-)
One of Keith`s posts on here mentions " if you were an agent and you had to sell Hisaronu what would you say " ?? ......I have probably said all this a dozen times before but here goes....The number one plus is that Hisaronu enjoys probably the best general location in the area. Its 5 minutes away from one of the prettiest and popular resorts in the area Olu Deniz, which has a safe beach for children swimming and an even safer lagoon.
Hisaronu is also only 5 minutes away from a typical turkish village with a fascinating history Kaya Koy... which is a delightful walk also from Hisaronu.
Hisaronu is also only 20 minutes away from a turkish working town and a pretty harbour called Fethiye.
Hisaronu, with its breathtaking mountainous backdrop .. is very close to a forest area with many lovely walks .
Hisaronu still boasts probably some of the best restaurants around the area catering for all types of cuisine.
Hisaronu itself ( like the majority of summer resorts on that coastline has a Bar street ) If you enjoy that scene then fine. But if you dont, there are quiet areas and Bar street can be avoided.
Hisaronu caters for all ages but the majority of visitors tend to be middle aged couples, or families with children.
Like all the other surrounding areas, you will find the local turks very hospitable and friendly, and there is a hardcore of regular british visitors who return there year after year, so it obviously has a lot of appeal.
Go on you Calis`ites` book a week over in H next year and see that I am right :-)
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Here here Sleuth! Well said.
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I have kept out of this post as they generally turn into a tit for tat our resort is better than yours sort of thing and I am also enjoying a week in Ovacik ;) however I have to agree with Sleuth's comments and that is exactly why we bought our place in Ovacik for its central location to give us the choice of things to do and places to go. It has changed an awful lot over the 8 or 9 years we have been coming and some of those changes are not always for the best in my opinion. When we first visited the area and the transfer bus dropped people off in Calis I remember saying to my mate "glad were still on the bus and not getting off here" I did not like the look of Calis at all. I do however go occasionally and realise my blinkered view was wrong and can see some of the charm in Calis. One thing is certain if all resorts were the same there would be no point in holidaying at all.
I know where I like to go if I am going out in Hisaronu and where not to go (bar street). I also find that we don't get hassled to go into restaurants except one where we were asked every night we passed it as its where we got out of a taxi most nights. It didn't bother us as we ended up having a laugh with the bloke after a few nights.
Bewva (middle aged non chav for anyone who is keeping tally). ;)
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Very well said Paul and Sleuth. I too try to keep out of topics like this, especially as I live in Ovacik so I'm,obviously biased as I'm happy with the area which I live in! However, living out here does offer a different perspective than that of a daytripper from another resort or a tourist here for a week or two, who merely get a snapshot of an area ...
I agree that the joy of the area is that there is something for everyone in close proximity. True there have been a number of business' that have fallen by the way side this year in Hisaronu but I have seen this in Fethiye and Calis as well .... it's a sign of the times I'm afraid!
This forum is 'Calis Beach' .. so naturally there is an allegiance to Calis as a resort. That being said I feel it's unnecessary to so blatently slate another area just a few kilometers away!! Live and let live ....
As for you not being a chav Bewva .... I can definately confirm that you are not 8)
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I must say that I am not slating Hisaronu, I do not "get it" and I have never really made the effort to find out why those who love it, do. Having read Sleuth & bewva's posts...I still don't get it!!! Well I suppose I am a little closer to understanding it but I can't think of any notable destination that is popular not because of it's own charms and offerings, but because of it's proximity to other places that do have something to offer! That's like holidaying in Grimsby because it's as close to Skegness as it is to Scarborough (no offence to Grimsby readers!).
Ultimately it is everyone's personal choice and anywhere around Fethiye has to be better than Altinkum or Falaraki ;)
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Originally posted by Scunner
I must say that I am not slating Hisaronu, I do not "get it" and I have never really made the effort to find out why those who love it, do. Having read Sleuth & bewva's posts...I still don't get it!!! Well I suppose I am a little closer to understanding it but I can't think of any notable destination that is popular not because of it's own charms and offerings, but because of it's proximity to other places that do have something to offer! That's like holidaying in Grimsby because it's as close to Skegness as it is to Scarborough (no offence to Grimsby readers!).
Ultimately it is everyone's personal choice and anywhere around Fethiye has to be better than Altinkum or Falaraki ;)
I must confess that I don't 'get' Calis either but like Scunner have probably never made the effort to find out .. basically because I don't particularly want to! That being said I'm not about to slate a resort that I havent spent much time in myself. Regarding proximity Hisaronu is very close to both Olu Deniz and Kaya ... many tourists who prefer not to stay in these area's, for whatever reason, like Hisaronu as it makes visting these other areas effortless ....
As for virtues of it's own here are just a few ... from someone who does know the area from more than just a tourist perspective:
Hisaronu caters for eveyone from young kids through to lively party animals to the older generation ...
Sleepy during the day with the wonderful mountain backdrop it comes to life at night .....
Unique balcony style bars and restaurants are great for people watching late into the night ...
It's pedestrionised streets make it easy and safe to walk around ...
Spoilt for choice by restaurants, cafes and locantas to suit everyones budget and taste ....
A plentful selection of barbers, hairdressers and beauty salons ajoin a range of shops to satisfy any shopaholic and a weekly tourist market negate the need to have to travel into Fethiye to market shop ...
Three large supermarkets cater for every tourists need, especially those in self catering accomodation ...
Most accomodation is far enough out of the village not to be affected by noise but close enough to walk to without having to use taxis or dolmus'
Ovacik is within walking distance whilst Olu Deniz and Kaya are just a 10 minute dolmus ride away ...
I could go on but feel I have summed up quite a bit of what Hisaronu has to offer as a tourist destination in it's own right ... 8)
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People who come as tourists and people who live here permanently or longterm might see things with different eyes and hear with different ears.
Most of us were tourists once and so was I. I liked the entertainment , the music , the liveliness of any place in the tourist resorts. For a limited time , one can live with all this.Now as I live here in Ovacik , I look forward for the tourist season to end to have some rest and peace. Maybe once or twice a year , we go to Hisaronu to show the place to our guests.
In order to see the other face of Hisaronu , one must be there beyond November. Everything looks very artificial like an empty film set ; OLUWOOD I would call Hisaronu in winter. How long Hisaronu will survive , will depend on the number of tourists who like an artificial atmosphere rather than a natural atmosphere.
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Well here goes, this was a sensible debate untill people who frequent H were called Chavs :( not very nice.
So 8)I prefer Olu, Ovacik, and Fethiye
I dont like Calis and must say H is not on my must visit list either.
Every one cannot like everywhere, its nothing personal. just their own
opinion :-\
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Yes, the forum is a place for people to share their opinions. Different opinions can be shared too.
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H - I come from Grimsby - not offended :) - now live in Ovacik and know which I prefer x
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My fist visit to H was whilst on our first visit to Turkey stayin in Ovacick. I was horrified, it reminded me of a scene from Apocolypse now. However my next 2 visits were to H - my kids loved it and the place grew on us. Now I choose to visit it a couple of times a holiday. It is what it is, trying to eek out a living by catering for a particular market, it doesn't have a harbour, a glorious sea view etc but it does have real Bisto gravy,cheap chinese meals, a great curry house and if these help to make your holiday a great one then who is anyone to judge. It is a shame that H caters in the main for a market whose cash flow has been severely restricted in the current economic situation. As a result it has become harder to make a living from a customer unwilling to pay.
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karabag that sounds a good name for you.You need to watch your mouth calling people chavs in general some will take ofence. This topic was not about slagging of people who prefer Hisaronu to anywhere else. This periodic slagging of Hisaronu by dinasours like highlander who has never been there except on a dolmus and scunner who should know better its pathetic
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Whats a Karabag and whats a Chav???? Are these new insutling names and who should be taking offence at them?
I'd like to know if I'm being insulted in future. I like Karabag, I might use that (if its not too offencive of course)
Ha ha, I love this forum xx
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Originally posted by hugh shaw
karabag that sounds a good name for you.You need to watch your mouth calling people chavs in general some will take ofence. This topic was not about slagging of people who prefer Hisaronu to anywhere else. This periodic slagging of Hisaronu by dinasours like highlander who has never been there except on a dolmus and scunner who should know better its pathetic
Not the first swipe at the forum Hugh, it's every other post from you now - I must insist for your own good that if you don't like CBF then DON'T COME - why are you visiting such a pathetic place, get a different life!!! If you insist on just posting slagging off the forum and thuggishly telling members to "watch their mouth", you will be removed for the good of all including you. No further discussions, this is the last request you will receive.
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Originally posted by Karabag
I think it's good to have a place like H, it keeps all the chavs and likewise people in one place, saves them going into Fethiye and Calis, just my opinion!
Granted not many in Fethiye but I think Calis has its fair share :)
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For info, Karabag is the name of a place and the "G" is silent, as those of you with a little knowledge of turkish will know.
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Some in this topic are still struggling with English, let alone Turkish
Scunner
Dinasour :D
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Sorry for the delay in coming back to this thread, but I have been otherwise engaged laughing at Man U. At least us Gooners managed to score two goals in our Nightmare match:D
Anyway OPO you are right on the saturation point for some areas of Hisaranu, which has not been helped by the economic problems reducing the number of vistors since 2008. The point you made about people going into debt to launch a business in Hisaranu is right, and not the first time I have heard it. Not helped I am told by the ridiculous rents charged for business space in the area:-\
Highlander, you have a very exacting list of requirements for me to meet for your ideal bar. So I can't pretend I can meet all of them, but can I recommend the Caribbean bar near to the taxi rank at the bottom of the main strip in Hisaranu. Only problem is that I cannot remember the name of it, which is a common problem for me these days!!. But when the Present Mrs Tickets arrives home, she can tell me (as she always does) and I will post it. Anyway a great bar, good service, and with live reggae/calypso music in the background, quietly and beautifully performed by the owner, occasionally supported by his son.
Out of a number of choices of restaurant, I think I'd recommend Del Boys Restaurant. You could only get away with that name in Hisaranou ;), although they are trying a rebrand to a more Turkish name, but no shock when I say I can't remember that name either:D. Anyway the food there is good, plenty of choice, reasonably priced and good service. One possible downside is that it always seems to be busy, but that is probably a good sign ... enjoy.
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When I was in Booty in Hisaronu and was sitting next to a lady who came back twice per year every year for the last 18 years.. she had lots of friends also getting treatments in the salon. I asked her what she loved so much about Hisaronu and she dived into her handbag and pulled out her camera. "Wait till I show you this" I was quite excited to see the picture. "We all got this in Del Boy's this morning" she said. "Best Full English I every had, it was enormous" she told me and thrust a picture of a huge plate of eggs,bacon,sausage,tomato,beans etc., into my hand. All her friends then told me I must not miss this place.
I was thinking I was going to see an image of a fabulous view, but then again, to these ladies it was!!
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Originally posted by Jacqui Harvey
When I was in Booty in Hisaronu and was sitting next to a lady who came back twice per year every year for the last 18 years.. she had lots of friends also getting treatments in the salon. I asked her what she loved so much about Hisaronu and she dived into her handbag and pulled out her camera. "Wait till I show you this" I was quite excited to see the picture. "We all got this in Del Boy's this morning" she said. "Best Full English I every had, it was enormous" she told me and thrust a picture of a huge plate of eggs,bacon,sausage,tomato,beans etc., into my hand. All her friends then told me I must not miss this place.
I was thinking I was going to see an image of a fabulous view, but then again, to these ladies it was!!
Oh dear, oh very dear you[|)][|)]
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Originally posted by Jacqui Harvey
When I was in Booty in Hisaronu and was sitting next to a lady who came back twice per year every year for the last 18 years.. she had lots of friends also getting treatments in the salon. I asked her what she loved so much about Hisaronu and she dived into her handbag and pulled out her camera. "Wait till I show you this" I was quite excited to see the picture. "We all got this in Del Boy's this morning" she said. "Best Full English I every had, it was enormous" she told me and thrust a picture of a huge plate of eggs,bacon,sausage,tomato,beans etc., into my hand. All her friends then told me I must not miss this place.
I was thinking I was going to see an image of a fabulous view, but then again, to these ladies it was!!
LOVL and it is good to see that the members of the Usedbustickets Supporters Club are making every effort not to cut the legs from underneath me and my supportive views of Hisaranu:D:D
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Originally posted by usedbustickets
Highlander, you have a very exacting list of requirements for me to meet for your ideal bar. So I can't pretend I can meet all of them, but can I recommend the Caribbean bar near to the taxi rank at the bottom of the main strip in Hisaranu. Only problem is that I cannot remember the name of it, which is a common problem for me these days!!. But when the Present Mrs Tickets arrives home, she can tell me (as she always does) and I will post it. Anyway a great bar, good service, and with live reggae/calypso music in the background, quietly and beautifully performed by the owner, occasionally supported by his son.
The bar you are referring to is Calypso and the owner/singers name is Bert and very good it is too ... 8)
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Good grief - I fully realised that I was a year older yesterday and now I find I'm extinct.:(
Hugh Shaw - if you are going to call me names, then I would be very much obliged if the least you would do is make a fairly reasonable attempt at spelling that name correctly.
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Hugh Shaw is a Hisaronu fan. I'm sure any evidence of chav behaviour is purely coincidental :D
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Originally posted by usedbustickets
Highlander, you have a very exacting list of requirements for me to meet for your ideal bar. So I can't pretend I can meet all of them, but can I recommend the Caribbean bar near to the taxi rank at the bottom of the main strip in Hisaranu.
Thanks for taking the time to reply UBT. Yes, it was an exacting list and I did suspect that Hisaronu was not necessarily the place to find it. However, if Mrs H and I are tempted to spend an evening in Hisaronu we will be sure to look it up.
Thanks for posting the name Linda.
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I think the Turkish name of Dell Boys Restaurant is Aciktim (not sure of the spelling)
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Have been really amused by the coments about Calis verses Hissy, but it's up to individual choice. What is good for one is not necessarily good for everybody. I like the quite life most of the time but it's nice to go somewhere lively sometimes. Just my opinion.
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well i never such childish my place is better than your place remarks,i live in ovacik the location is perfect nice and quiet if you want the night life 10 min.down the road central position for getting about perfect you can keep your mozzy ridden calis
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"such childish my place is better than your place remarks"
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"you can keep your mozzy ridden calis"
Call people childish then do it yourself!!! I suspect in saying that you don't see yourself as childish though lol
Nice first post by the way, very friendly intro.
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What you mean even the mozzys dont like Ovacik, the weather must be crap, glad i dont live there. ;)
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Going back to the original topic - I also think that Hisaronu has become less busy over the last few years, and have to agree on the various reasons given by others - and as for which resort is better - each to their own on that subject - what I do know is that if Ovacik and Hisaronu had not been available 20 years ago then we may have ended up in Marmaris and that would have probably been the end of our Turkish holidays - so thankyou Ovacik and Hisaronu, although they have changed drastically in the time we have known them, its still the location that we initially fell in love with.
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Well what can i say, i'm so pleased i don't play on this forum very often what with everyone 'bitching' about the different villages. I love Hisaronu and I can certainly tell you that I no way a chav, never have been or never will, for me Ovacik is fab, love Olu but I have to say Calis I find to be a dump, i've been a couple of times and wouldn't go back!
At the end of the day I have my place in H and go all over the area visiting different places, if it floats your boat then great but I have to say Calis doesn't mine!!
I think you all need to grow up and have a constructive conversation rather than slagging each other and the different villages off!
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It is amazing how often people accuse "this forum" of something, then immediately do the same thing themselves :D Everyone's reply is "bitching" - oh apart from your reply which is that Calis is a dump!!! Practice what you preach luv lol
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Dizzi, This Forum is dedicated to Calis with 8,000 members who love the place. However, I see your point people should have a constructive conversation and not slag places off, but, that is exactly what you have done. So pot, kettle, which really defuses your argument.
I wonder why you joined this Forum? if Hisaronu is so much better surely there must be a similiar extremely succesful Forum for your destination of choice?
So, don't worry if you don't want to come and "play" again, we will try, hard as that may be, to manage without you.
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OMG you lot make me laugh.
So now I can't have an opinion either.
I think everyone can have an opinion and my opinion is that I don't like Calis!!! All I am saying is be constructive and stop calling people Chavs just because they go to Hisaronu!!
Jacqui I am a member of various forums but have found that people like you aren't actually worth bothering with. If you can't have it your own way you become defensive.
Learn to be considerate and give constructive critiscm if it is due, but don't go bitching about places or people. So yes pot, kettle, but you need to look in the mirror first!!
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You can have your opinion. Here it is:
Your opinion is that Calis is a dump.
My opinion is that Hisaronu is possibly the dullest place on Earth.
Now, explain why my opinion is "bitching" and yours isn't :D
Where would we be without the Annual CBF v Hisaronu topic - and why is it the people that complain EVERY time are all from Hisaronu!!!
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Originally posted by Scunner
You can have your opinion. Here it is:
Your opinion is that Calis is a dump.
My opinion is that Hisaronu is possibly the dullest place on Earth.
Now, explain why my opinion is "bitching" and yours isn't :D
Where would we be without the Annual CBF v Hisaronu topic - and why is it the people that complain EVERY time are all from Hisaronu!!!
I'm not bitching, but I don't agree with what you say about all H lovers are complainers, read the topic and you will see that it is probably 6 of one and half a dozen of the other.
I say you lot are 'bitching' because apparently we are all chavs!! So don't chavs go to Calis, I think they do!
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Well I am new on CBF but have had an apartment in Ovaick for some years now. In my humble opinion when you have such a diverse range of taste for a holiday or to live you will have a mirror effect on the places for people to go to. No one would expect every resort/location to suit all and whilt I am not going to get in to a debate that has no real relevance it appears that whether a visitor of resident there alway seems to be a leaning toward "Little Britain"!!!!
Enjoy what you like and let others do so also and if enjoying the more "Turkish" aspects the all to the good as far as I am concerned.
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Such aggression Dizzi - and not the first Hisaronuer to turn up all guns blazing in this topic. It's difficult to understand how people are so confrontational on our forum which is known for being a place where serious and fun sit side by side. People in Calis often don't like Hisaronu and people in Hisaronu sometimes don't like Calis. Get used to that as part of the joy of these topics is that we know neither group will convince the other.
Please don't accuse us of not allowing you to have an opinion. Your opinion is exactly what you gave and was not deleted or altered. It stays here as you wrote it. If people disagree with it, tough - same as if they disagree with anyone else's. This topic has a rich history and with the exception of a few hotheads coming down the hill shouting is great value and makes no difference to anyone's view of anywhere. If that's offensive or hard for you to handle, the forum is not compulsory.
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Strange, I have not slagged off Hisaronu. I only said I found it very noisy at night. We love to go up there. In fact read some of my posts complimenting aspects of Hisaronu. I get my nails done and have a pedicure, then we have lunch and a walk around the shops. We have now started going up for a meal in the evenings too.
So when I look in the mirror I like what I see. I am happy in my own skin and have not been offensive to Hisaronu or the people who holiday there.
However, you must understand I don't like it when people call my second home a Dump, that makes me very sad, which leads me to be puzzled at your membership of Calis Forum. I sure you must expect a defensive reaction with such a defamatory statement.
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Originally posted by teetee
Enjoy what you like and let others do so also and if enjoying the more "Turkish" aspects the all to the good as far as I am concerned.
Totally agree, each to their own but where would we be if we had a forum where people who like one thing more than another are shouted down for saying so?
I have many friends who prefer Ovacik or Hisaronu over Calis and we have a great time telling each other that we are right ;)
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And there was me thinking this was the Hisaronu Discussion Forum [?] section on CBF as in the title, just to try and get back on topic what was the season like for trade in Calis, Fethiye[?] as was the original question, before the topic was hijacked by the usual Calisites :): :)
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Not "hijacked", "developed" ;)
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How do I know if I am a chav or not please ;)
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{A Link to an old CBF topic was here - no longer available}44138
Let us know how you get on:D
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http://chavstest.com/
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I am surprised that Dizzi has a problem with people saying what they think. She is, after all, a moderator on a tiny Hisaronu website that purports to let people say what they want. The F word is a frequent visitor there. Another indicator of chaviness? (Is there such a word?)
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There's nothing new in this - people from tiny forums have been coming to slag off the hugely successful Calis Beach Forum since we started it in 2003. Or making how crap CBF is a talking point on their forums, where at best their half a dozen posting members all join in.
I won't be losing any sleep over dizzi's opinion of CBF :D
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Oh Dear, I looked at this Hisaronu website and the introduction to the moderators. Is it tasteful and not chavy, because waggling nearly naked bottoms is not particularly upmarket to me, but what do I know.
Also, note the over 18 message. So lots of adult content.
It's no wonder CBF is so popular and has been so successful. It has just the right mix and IS suitable for all ages.
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The forum to which you refer Jacqui is a small 'alternative' to the real Hisaronu forum - which you will find has no wagging bottoms or swear words and where members are courteous to one another. Please don't judge everyone from Hisaronu with the same brush as some who post on the 'wagging bottom forum - many of whom havent been to the area for many a year or pay a fleeting trip once in a blue moon.....
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Originally posted by Lucinda
I am surprised that Dizzi has a problem with people saying what they think. She is, after all, a moderator on a tiny Hisaronu website that purports to let people say what they want. The F word is a frequent visitor there. Another indicator of chaviness? (Is there such a word?)
Right Lucinda I am now offended by what you have said "indicator of chaviness". Can I tell you something my husband has been in hospital hence the reason why I have not been on any forum!
Yes I am a moderator on another forum but you know what its for straight talking people and not people who like to lick ar*e, like obviously quite a few on here do.
As for chaviness, we see it as a bit of fun and it is not for the over 18s, we only warn people that some frank use of language etc could be seen on there!!
As for the the wagging of bums, it is all a bit of fun............ and that's the way we see it.
I have an opinion and my opinion is that I do not like Calis, the sea is dirty and I mean poo in the sea!!! The beach is dirty, there is nothing there that would attract me, and in fact if I were on a package holiday I would ask for my money back!!
Scunner as for you I couldn't care less about whether my comments concern you or not, I gave an opinion but again the people of Calis jumped on the bandwagon, all because I said I didn't like the place. Everyone has an opinion and at the end of the day, if we all like the same things, the world would be a very sad place indeed. In fact, I am now starting to think that Calis is a very sad place if people are so petty.
Jacqui, I have had a couple of run ins with you before, you do not like being put in your place obviously, hence why I don't bother with people like you.
As Hillside has quite rightly said do not judge people, i.e. real people!! We have a forum that is fun, people do like to go on because they can speak their mind without being ridiculed or 'banned'.
Finally, apologies again for not replying sooner but I do think my husband being in hospital was more important than arguing with small minded people.
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Originally posted by Dizzi
As for chaviness, we see it as a bit of fun and it is not for the over 18s, we only warn people that some frank use of language etc could be seen on there!!
"By clicking Register below you agree to be bound by these conditions.
By agreeing to the rules set by the admin here you are confirming that any support you seek here will only be regarding portals for the myfreeforum system.
By agreeing to the terms and conditions I agree that I am aged 18 or over"
You know your stuff, I'll give you that :D
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Originally posted by Scunner
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Originally posted by Dizzi
As for chaviness, we see it as a bit of fun and it is not for the over 18s, we only warn people that some frank use of language etc could be seen on there!!
"By clicking Register below you agree to be bound by these conditions.
By agreeing to the rules set by the admin here you are confirming that any support you seek here will only be regarding portals for the myfreeforum system.
By agreeing to the terms and conditions I agree that I am aged 18 or over"
You know your stuff, I'll give you that :D
Well I do apologise............ how bloody childish!! I did honestly believe that you didn't have to be 18 but there you go, you proved me wrong :P You cannot rile me Scunner, in fact I really can't be bothered with childish mind games, I am more mature than that and I am a lady not a chav!!
I think you and your dear friends need to apologies for calling myself, the members of other Hisaronu forums and also people who frequent Hisaronu chavs!!
Do you lot think your something special being down in Calis? I think not!
What you see with me is what you get and I will say it how it is, whether on a forum or to someones face, is that being a chav, NO it's being an honest upfront person. For a man of your age you should no better!!
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Me and the war minister moved to Hisaronu/Ovacik in 2006. After living there for 3 years, we got fed up with all the sleaziness and tat that it has to offer, and moved to Tasyaka. We love it here 100 times better than Hisaronu and Ovacik, and much prefer the harbour and Calis. So me and the war Minister are now officially "De-Chavinated"
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PS. I do know my stuff that's why I am very successful in my line of business, why I can afford to have a house in a couple of different countries, the list goes on, you don't actually get all of this from NOT knowing your stuff!!
If you want to throw insults that's fine go ahead........... I am a big girl and really don't mind :D
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I note you "have a forum that is fun". You do seem like a laugh a minute, that really comes across strongly in your posts here! No apology from me I'm afraid, I didn't call anyone a chav.
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Originally posted by Scunner
I note you "have a forum that is fun". You do seem like a laugh a minute, that really comes across strongly in your posts here! No apology from me I'm afraid, I didn't call anyone a chav.
How sarcastic can someone be!! Showing your true colours, oh well. I'm pleased to start your week off with a bit humour :P
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Well, Hissy has got a damn good chinese, i will say that for it. [^]
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That's right, and this is not it honest
(http://www.calisvilla.co.uk/chavrest.jpg)
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Originally posted by Jacqui Harvey
Oh Dear, I looked at this Hisaronu website and the introduction to the moderators. Is it tasteful and not chavy, because waggling nearly naked bottoms is not particularly upmarket to me, but what do I know.
I wouldn't be too concerned by the waggling nearly naked bottoms Jacqui. I think they are purely aspirational. It seem a pre-requisite for becoming a moderator on that site is to be plus-size. :P
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...and with that I feel the time has come to halt this interesting topic. The little Hisaronu forum with more moderators than members may allow people to post whatever they like and not have topics locked, but we can only dream of being as anarchic and free as that.