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General Topics => Football => Topic started by: desmartinson on January 06, 2014, 07:29:11 AM
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Is it just me? or has anyone else noticed how well Everton are doing without him, and how badly Man Utd are doing with him ;)
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But, but, he's "the chosen one". ;)
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I am torn here, I, of course, am not a M.U. Fan, but I always liked Moyes, however, Everton do seem to have benefitted from a new Manager, but I think Fergie knew he was getting out at the right time when the team needed rebuilding. He left Moyes with a hard job and some would say, a poison chalice.
I see now some of the M.U. fans are calling for a new Manager already and some want Malky MacKay.
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He left a good squad at Everton and inherited a crap one at Manu.
I love it :)
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I said it before on an earlier thread - Fergie chose his time to exit very shrewdly.
The legs were going on his centre halves - he had never replaced the mad Irishman in midfield and the everton fan up front was unreliable and badly managed by his agent.
Too many others were mediocre - fabio - cleverly - anderson - nani - smalling etc etc
The writing was on the wall - complete clear out required and he had neither the enthusiasm or the time to do it again. (accepting he has been the greatest manager in my lifetime)
I think Moyes should be given time but with booing yesterday somehow I doubt he will be given enough time!
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OK like many I am having a good time looking in at the problems of Manure, and particularly enjoying baiting their supporters.
However, I think they have the right man in Moyes to take the club on - although may be not to the levels they achieved under Fergie - from the poor squad he has inherited from Fergie and the American Owners. So he will need the rest of this season and the summers transfer window to make his stamp on the club.
Although this could mean that Manure will be out of next seasons CL, mind you so will Liverpool so they will be in good company. Interesting to see how much these club's no 1 stars (Shrek and Squarez) are content to continue playing for a club out or never in the CL.
BTW anyone noticed how RVP has dropped off the radar with injuries, and his return is delayed for one reason or another. Funny how that is aligned with the time that the club/team are not doing so well .... saw it too frequently at Arsenal to think it was pure coincidence.
Oh yea and I did enjoy the Cup Game on Saturday and I almost blushed at my heavy laughing at Walnut giving the Spuds the 2-0 to the Arsenal sign .... a thing of beauty ;D ;D ;D
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Don't be so nasty Pete, or if you are going to be, do it with a bit of decorum. im a bit of an arsenal fan, but they could go tits up again, then we get the flak, be nice like me. ;) :)
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I have learnt over the years that if you are going to dish it out, you have to learn to take it when things are not going so well. And I always do it with complete decorum for all supporters, whether they be a Manc (whichever) Blue Scousers, Chelski, Irons (not the hoof type), even teams who were good once like Leeds, Liverpool and Spurs .... oh yes especially Spurs ;
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How anyone can say he inherited a "poor" squad from Fergie is ridiculous. He inherited the premier league champion team and a massive squad. A team that won the title by a massive 11 points . If that's a poor squad I'm a Dutchman. The only problem with Manure is that Moyes does'nt know how to manage the biggest football team in the World and by the end of the season he will be gone.Mark my words.
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Not a championship winning team, they just didn't throw it away as badly as the other usual suspects. I agree with Ian - too many players that simply aren't good enough as he listed, and too many under achievers - I can add Valencia, Fellaini, Carrick, Buttner & the hapless diver Ashley Young to his list - almost a team of players who should have been shown the door. I hear Carrick is finally delivering after years of absence and poor form - well I haven't noticed him delivering much?
This squad would be pulled apart by several of Fergie's United teams - most of them in fact. I well remember them terrorising opponents with a 50 yard throw from Schmeical to the pace of Giggs on the left or Kanchelskis on the right to attack within the blink of an eye - exciting football indeed. No evidence of exciting football there this season. Of course Fergie knew when to go - there's no way he could have this squad sitting on top of the league while the same players languish under Moyes.
This season is the same, it may well be a championship won by the team who slip up fewer times rather than a strong team.
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I think Scunner has summed up the strength or otherwise of the inherited 'championship winning squad for Moyes. Not forgetting of course Man U also benefited from the arrival of a motivated RVP in his first season putting in goals for fun, that made a big difference to carrying an otherwise very poor squad across the line.
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I think I summed it up better ;)
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....as I was saying :)
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Another loss last night to Saints. Can it get any worse for Moyes. Not much.
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Another loss last night to Saints.
They played Sunderland last night
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Listening to Talksport particularly after the game last night - it was amazing how patient United fans were being.............NOT!
Today a lot of callers referring to "feeling sorry for Moyes" re the squad he took on.
All reminds me of Wilf McGuinness - but you youngsters won't know what I am talking about :D
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Oh when the
Saints Makems, go marching on lol
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It was the Black Cats, good game and I note M.U. are playing with a distinct lack of confidence. Fergie, Charlton and Robson all sitting together did not look happy at all. However, I have an idea M.U. will beat Sunderland on the second leg at Old Trafford.
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Probably 3-2 Jacqui and go out on away goals ;)
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I think Man untd will beat Sunderland 3-0 at Old Trafford.
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I would'nt bank on it with the home form they have right now.
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I don't see United having to much of a problem at Old Trafford. At Wembley now that could be a different kettle of fish….hopefully. ;)
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I can't believe that anyone can actually think that they would have been this bad under Fergie.No fight and no idea.
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Well I think Moyse is doing a great job :)
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Well he has been nominated for manager of the month for December!
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Very interesting article today in the Daily Record from Tommy Docherty, where he lays the blame at Fergie's feet.
http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/blame-sir-alex-ferguson--3003587
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"Docherty – who led United to FA Cup glory in 1977"
Yep, we should listen to his opinion of Sir Alex Ferguson - such a winner himself.
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Yes, but unfortunately, they beat Liverpool 2-1 at their next try 1976-77 boo hoo. He only got the boot because of his affair with the Physio's wife.
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And the record of one trophy in 5 years...
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No, I remember it well he was booted out because of the affair. This would never happen now.
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No, the affair made it most convenient to boot him out. For a man that promised everything, one cup and no titles in all his five years was not good enough by a long way. The club probably paid the physio's wife to have an affair with him so they could get rid.
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They are still together after 30 years, that's a long payoff.
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Yeah he was a crap manager but he didn't deserve that.
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I remember them interviewing him years ago on T.V. when he was a Manager and he was asked about violence on the pitch. He said "They should bring back Capital Punishment" The interviewer asked him did he mean Corporal Punishment..."Yes" he said, "That's it".
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Tommy is a neighbour of mine, often catch him going for his morning paper, really nice chap.
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I said it before on an earlier thread - Fergie chose his time to exit very shrewdly.
The legs were going on his centre halves - he had never replaced the mad Irishman in midfield and the everton fan up front was unreliable and badly managed by his agent.
Too many others were mediocre - fabio - cleverly - anderson - nani - smalling etc etc
You may love him or hate him - personally I love Robbie Savage when he agrees with Ian and I :D
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/25665649
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We only thought it should be 11 players - I suppose that's why he earns £100,000 a week :-)
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How anyone can say he inherited a "poor" squad from Fergie is ridiculous. He inherited the premier league champion team and a massive squad. A team that won the title by a massive 11 points . If that's a poor squad I'm a Dutchman. The only problem with Manure is that Moyes does'nt know how to manage the biggest football team in the World and by the end of the season he will be gone.Mark my words.
Told you he would be gone by the end of the season :) And I got odds of 6/1 of it happening. Only had £20 on it though. but I'm happy. :) :)
The job was far to big for him.
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And they are giving him £5 million for leaving the whole team in a bloody mess. Whats the betting
the special one is'nt in the frame again.
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Ryan Giggs to be announced as interim manager.
United acknowledged he has no managerial skills
but hoped his moral values would have an impact on the team. :(
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Moral Values and Ryan Giggs now that sounds interesting :)
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They can have the Leeds manager - pleeeeease!
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Louis Van Gal is favourite, personally I would like to see fat Sam be given the chance ;D
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As I said when I opened the topic in January, he did nothing for everton and definitely the wrong choice for man utd, he inherited a championship squad who won it by 11points. don't know why they didn't wait till the end of the season to sack him though, only 3 games left, they,re out of champions league for next year and its not as though they are going to be relegated. PS- nice one from engineeerdave on moral values. only need to bring in John Terry as Giggs assistant now, would love to hear the team talk there. ;) :)
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In some respects I am sorry to see him go, but not a great surprise, but many in the Man U squad of players have got to take their, not insignificant, share of the blame of what has consituted failure this year for Man U. So what does constitute failure here, probably not qualifying for the Champions League.
Apparently Man U have already been talking to other potential replacement managers, or at least sounding people out on a what if basis. Sounds classless move to me, but if you want to continue as a big club then this is how ruthless you need to be.
The Moyes situation, and arguably at Liverpool with their managerial woes over the post Benitez years, does beg the question though, how come Arsene Wenger has been so lucky in avoiding the tin tack over the last 7-8 years? Mind you judging by the Guardian today he is now starting to be focussed in the football press as a potential sacking.
'Meanwhile Arsene Wenger cruises along at Arsenal, another huge contract signing no doubt imminent. Maybe he should take some time to reflect on his fortune at finding himself at a club like Arsenal rather than a genuinely big one, as this is the sort of judgement he would have been subject to.'
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Never mind Terry - just make Rooney number 2. His moral values will fit in well with Giggs :)
Moyse was always on a hiding to nothing - as was any manager following Fergie. It's taken years for Liverpool to find someone to win the title (if he actually does it this season) and we at Leeds are still looking for our own 'Revie'. Wilko gave us the last every First Division title but could not continue to inprove the team for some reason. Maybe selling Cantona was the reason we declined anf Manu improved? Who knows.
The massive problem they have is finding someone who is strong enough to manage the expectations of the fans and media as well as identify the players who are strong enough to play for such a big club. In our own way it's the same at Leeds - the players have to be strong enough to play in front of such demanding suporters and unfortunatley we don't have enough of them at the club.
I see Manu struggling for the next 3 - 4 years even if they do find the right man. There is a big re-building job required and whoever goes in has got to be strong enough to sell some of the top earners and bring in hungry players who will 'die for the shirt'. I'm also struggling to name any youngters coming throughthe Manu accademy this season. Anyone?
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"Maybe he should take some time to reflect on his fortune at finding himself at a club like Arsenal rather than a genuinely big one"
I realize now why I don't read the Guardian! What tosh saying that Arsenal are not a genuinely big club!
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Stoop your right Arsenal are a big club, but in the last few years we have not delivered the results/trophies you would expect from a big club.
I think you may also be right on the rebuild project for united taking 3-4 years, part of which will be to clear out some of their current players, in order, in part, to bring in or rather attract the sort of winning mentality players United have always seemed to have had under Ferguson.
And honestly I really do not like to intrude into the grief of the ManU supporters at the moment ;D ;D no no I do not ;D ;D ;D ;)
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Apparently Giggs doesn't want the job full time as he wants to spend more time with his Brothers family
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Naughty Strange, bit off topic I would say. :o
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Whoever is appointed I bet you won't see Alex Ferguson sitting the stands looking down at him like he did with Moyes. I don't like Moyes but Ferguson was bang out of order doing that.
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Whoever is appointed I bet you won't see Alex Ferguson sitting the stands looking down at him like he did with Moyes. I don't like Moyes but Ferguson was bang out of order doing that.
And Daglish with Hodgson??
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Thats another topic :)
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Whoever is appointed I bet you won't see Alex Ferguson sitting the stands looking down at him like he did with Moyes. I don't like Moyes but Ferguson was bang out of order doing that.
As a Director he would have been expected to be there.
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I dont know about him being expected to be there Jacgui. But I would have thought it would have been a Directors choice as to where he watched the game. I would also have thought that after the bad results they were getting and the comments from the media about why was he watching Moyes he would have stopped sitting there. Like I said it was out of order and just added more pressure on Moysie.
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David Moyes has been offered another job already!
The Great Britain Tobogganing Team have said they have been looking for years for someone who can push a team downhill at that sort of speed.
;)
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All the coaching staff sacked as well....all except guess who....Phil Neville...I wonder why that is.
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Apparently Jurgen Klopp as already stated that he is not interested in the United managers job. But added his brother Klipperty may consider it!
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You seem in a joyous mood Tiggsy, got nothing to do with the demise of Man Utd has it? ;) :)
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Apparently Jurgen Klopp as already stated that he is not interested in the United managers job. But added his brother Klipperty may consider it!
Oh Dear Tigsy, I will have to get in touch with Eamonn Holmes, he may want a fee from you for pinching the joke he told on Sky news yesterday morning. : :)you really must start writing your own material.. :o :-X
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Apparently Jurgen Klopp as already stated that he is not interested in the United managers job. But added his brother Klipperty may consider it!
Oh Dear Tigsy, I will have to get in touch with Eamonn Holmes, he may want a fee from you for pinching the joke he told on Sky news yesterday morning :o ;D you really must start writing your own material.. ;) ;D
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This was one of the best from yesterday :)
(http://s30.postimg.org/mdnerb7p9/image.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/mdnerb7p9/)
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I also understand one or two players are concerned that Giggs has started calling them 'brother'!
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I also understand one or two players are concerned that Giggs has started calling them 'brother'!
But is Giggsy able to keep clean sheets?
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funny :)
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Giggs doesn't want the job full-time 'cos he wants to spend more time with his brother's family.
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Moyse 12-1 next Leeds manager :/
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If he does get the Leeds job, lets hope he can get the correct names on his team sheets ;)
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Lol
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He will be Newcastle's next manager.
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Good call Dave? How about Norwich?
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A possible Stoop, as is Aston Villa. But I think Alan Pardew is very vulnerable and Mike Ashley would
give him more time than Manure did. And above all its a bit like your Leeds a big club that has been
under performing for a long time. Money wouldn't be a problem either I dont think.
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Very poor jokes so far. I will try to raise the standard a little...
(https://scontent-b-lhr.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn2/v/t1.0-9/10313383_10201009201906768_1316438262263240297_n.jpg?oh=caef38debb7289100c03cffcc5e39f3e&oe=53C94E45)
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I wish I had a 'Like' button !
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Please Please have mine George. :)
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Papers here are running with the news that Louis van Gaal has singed a longterm contract with ManU. An excellent club-coach with the abillity to produce a squad that performs better than the sum of the individual players. On the other hand a former schoolteacher with a rather peculiar relation with the press. Could make for interesting headlines in the papers the next years.
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Singed! Verbal contract only then ;)
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Music to his ears
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Hot off the press.
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Y es Van Gaal. New manager,will he be. The savior of Man Untd
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Well this appointment came as a big surprise.......had no idea.
So how long will he last if results do not improve markedly?
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Got something to prove then according to The Guardian today:
The subsequent years have been good, if not as luminous. It is worth noting that Van Gaal, widely proclaimed serial winner, has won two league titles and the German DFB-Pokal Cup in the last 15 rather staccato years, taking in his disorientating, aborted succession to Alex Ferguson in 2002, a difficult second spell at Barcelona and periods with the Dutch national team.
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Well he cant win a trophy in his 1st game as manager of Man Utd, poor old Moyes did. ;) :)
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In my humble opnion Van Gaal is one of the best coaches in the world, able to create a tight team that performs way better than the sum of the individual players. Give him time and ManUtd will truly dominate the world of football with fantastic football. As Liverpool-fan, my greatest fear.
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As a Liverpool fan I think we are doing fine, so I am not concerned about M.C. and it will take a few years to build M.U. again and remember this guy never stays very long at any club, also he is not like Fergie starting off in his forties and staying for over 20 years. He is already 63. I think the plan may be to keep him for a few years and pass the mantle to Giggs.
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In my humble opnion Van Gaal is one of the best coaches in the world, able to create a tight team that performs way better than the sum of the individual players. Give him time and ManUtd will truly dominate the world of football with fantastic football. As Liverpool-fan, my greatest fear.
John - as of now both you and VG look pretty good :-)
Great performance and your "sum of the parts etc" was spot on.
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Thanks Ian. It was a good result against a Spanish team that totally lost it during half-time. I wonder what tea they got served...