MRSA

[jo b]

Both Hubbie and I have used Bee Propolis in the last week and it fought off both our colds...we have usually taken Echinacea but think the Bee Propolis is better.

As Alec points out ...be careful if you have allergies I was going to give some to my son's girlfriend as she seems to be going down with everything-but Holland and Barrett's contain Brewer's yeast (she is yeast intolerant)so had to find one without by which time she was better!

Thanks Linda.

[tribalelder]

Have now done five days with no positive results. Maybe it is horses for courses but it did not work for me. I have just purchased a mix of roots and herbs which you infuse into a tea and drink twice a day.  This was on a recommendation from a Turkish person.....we will see how that works.

[tribalelder]

Four days of drinking this infusion night and morning (with honey to sweeten it) and hey presto cough gone! Can't prove that this was the remedy but would certainly try it again.

[heather07]

If the Bee propalis is equivalent to an anti-biotic it would not work either as you probably had a virus.  
The mix you used probaby eased the symptoms but I don't think it would cure you.   I swear by Covonia cough mix if I get an annoying cough.

I was told by a wise person one day that a cold if treated would last a fortnight if untreated would last two weeks.

BUT-If you could now go out and get a bacterial infection and repeat the treatment you might get a different result.

[tribalelder]

Did try Covonia but had no effect. Bee Propolis is apparently what bees use to disinfect their hives (No comments about bee size capsules!) so I am not sure about it being considered to be equivalent to an anti biotic or not. As mentioned I did try antibiotics here and in the UK but was advised not to take more as the original infection was not the cause of the problem any more.
So I don't think there is a definitive answer.  Just have to increase the Raki intake to build up immunity levels.

[heather07]

quote:Originally posted by tribalelder

 Just have to increase the Raki intake to build up immunity levels.

Husband swears by it for keeping mosquitos away.  Still gets bit but excuse is it would be worse if he didn,t drink Raki

[mike]

I have just read the posts with great interest. I am a staff nurse in mental health, an ex-hospital administrator, and have a son who, whilst recovering from near death due to meningitis, was infected with mrsa.
I agree with linda regarding the need for extreme hygiene measures in hospital. I agree with stuart in that it is still possible to be infected,whatever measures are taken. I take offense when people bat on about "pen-pushers" in the NHS. Before privatisation and the internal market,admin costs in the uk were 4%. Politicians of all colours were and still are interfering with our structure.Admin costs are now 14%. Please don't blame the office workers who keep the wheels oiled (ordering food,salaries clerks,telephonists etc). The increased costs are mostly due to quantifying and charging for an unnecessary fictional market.

[lindacarl]

Tribalelder - you possibly had a virus - antibiotics don't work on these. Although in the past doctors used to prescribe them for viruses, that was mainly because patients expected them to  & they didn't realise that by overprescribing antibiotics they were leading the way for many more antibiotic resistant bacteria. Let's face it antibiotics haven't been around for that long. Now they do know this so therefore antibiotics are not prescribed like sweets any more.

For those with lots of allergies then bee propalis might not be the best thing as a massive dose can bring out your allergies. HOWEVER a lot of allergies can be brought down to a much more manageable level & often eliminated if you take VERY SMALL amounts of the substance you are allergic to regularly - to build up a resistance.

Carl used to live in the allergy centre of the US & had VERY bad allergies & asthma. There were more allergy specialists in his area than any other as it was really big business.

We used to work at alternative health shows every weekend & obviously got to know many specialists in different areas. The general concensus was that if you can get local honey a teaspoon (or less if really, really bad) a day is a super way to start reducing allergies. Once you're OK with this then build up gradually & then take bee pollen - build up gradually from 1 or 2 grains (little balls) of this to about 1/2 to 1 gm daily. If you can do this you might find like Carl that his allergies no longer bother him unless he spends all day next to a tree which he's allergic to & whose pollen is dropping. He has only been really ill twice from allergies since using honey & bee pollen - both times we were at Ealing at a Jazz Festival with an alternative health marquee & we stayed in the park in our caravan - under the same trees each time. We only did that particular show two years running as I wouldn't put him through that again. Didn't realise what had caused it the 1st time but it was obviously tree pollen as second time we went was same time of year. Both times I had to rush him to a doctors to have injections & be put on oxygen. You'd think he'd be worse living in the country but instead he frightened me stiff in the middle of a London park.

He doesn't need to take the bee pollen all year round, just start before the pollen season starts. they sell bee pollen in Fethiye & Calis (Seckem market - 2nd roundabout up from beach).

Tribalelder - I'm pleased to know the bee products shop now sells Bee Propalis as I think it might have been us who persuaded him to source it & start stocking it. We had a long discussion on how good it is & we were surprised he sold just about every bee product except propalis.

I'd be interested in knowing what concotion you were told to use? Many people don't realise it but the majority of the pharmaceuticals around started off as little more than infusions of plants. The pharmaceuticals don't want you to know this - it's one of the reasons they are trying to get alternative remedies off the market - so they can exploit the remedies that work.

In olden days the local wisewomen (witches) or the medicine man were skilled in knowing which plants were remedies. Many people knew what remedies to use as it was passed down (a simple example is to use dock leaves for nettle stings, which most people are aware of). Unfortunately we've lost so much of this now as we rely too much on modern pharmaceuticals - where they've synthesised the active ingredient from many plants & often forgotten what the ancients knew well,that you needed the whole plant to stop some of the more nasty side effects.

[linjim]

Hi Linda, does it have to be local honey or will any do. Linda

[tribalelder]

Lindacarl....the first antibiotics were prescribed in the UK by a doctor in response to a diagnosis of a chest infection so I dont know if it was a virus or not but in view of your comments there was obviously no need to prescribe antibiotics if it was!
The local mix was Ginger, ginseng, cinamon sticks, cloves and linden flowers brewed for about twenty minutes which I sweetened with honey.