Calis Beach and Fethiye Turkey Discussion Forum
Property For Sale in Calis Beach & Turkey => Buying Property in Calis Beach, Fethiye and Turkey => Topic started by: Yoshi on May 21, 2015, 22:59:25 PM
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Can anyone help please.
We are looking at a house that has been constructed using 19 Luke isi block
My research suggests that that these are a thermal block.
Does anyone have any experience of using or having these in the properties, if so how good or bad are they ?
Eric you were right these are a terracotta block that you see during construction.
Thank you in advance for your help
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I can't help Yoshi and forgive me, but how will you know that the house was constructed using 19 Luke isi block.
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Well it's difficult, we only have the builders word and photos of the build to go by but the company are prepared to include it in the buying contact to include a full refund if the villa is seen not to comply in the future.
Because the build is almost complete, it is the same as buying a resale who knows what your buying !
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Email me marshallcolin2@gmail.com
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Well it's difficult, we only have the builders word and photos of the build to go by but the company are prepared to include it in the buying contact to include a full refund if the villa is seen not to comply in the future.
Because the build is almost complete, it is the same as buying a resale who knows what your buying !
You are obviously approaching your previous thread from a different angle Yoshi !! ....With that in mind, you just carry on taking the word of your Turkish builder, rather than extremely experienced British owners, / ex-owners, with regards to the materials SUPPOSEDLY used to build your new home, then when you have chased him all over Turkey, in order to take him to court, once he has buggered off with your hard -earned, you will very soon discover that the contract for a " full refund " ( in Turkey ?, now there's another oxymoron !! ), IS definitely worth the paper that it was written on, no more , no less, just the value of the paper !!!!
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Thermal building blocks, the strange way they build, it is not unusual to see them using thermal blocks but not really built to the standard of insulating.
First the mandatory steel and concrete shell and platform, then the thermal blocks are laid between the shell apertures, no cavity walls and no insulation. the blocks are then usually render over with cement to a rough or smooth finish, then painted. Yes the property has thermal blocks, but absolutely useless with out a cavity wall or insulation between.
There was one company that had started to use cavity walls and infilled with insulation, this was ack in 2004/5 they had to stop this process as it was far to expensive.
Your property probably has got thermal blocks, the contract is not lying, you have not a case for them to answer. You WILL be cold.
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Dear Yoshi- on this forum are people from all different walks of life with different backgrounds etc. Most of the time members can't agree on anything, even the colour of the sky. That's not necessarily a bad thing though. But, a lot have been through the experience of buying/ renting properties out here and you can see from your two threads that there is a united consensus all essentially telling you the same thing.
STOP AND TAKE STOCK. SEEK INDEPENDENT ADVICE. CONSIDER PROFESSIONAL ADVICE. PUT YOUR BEST BUSINESS HEAD ON. TAKE EVERYTHING WITH A PINCH OF SALT UNTIL YOU HAVE DEFINITE PROOF ETC. ETC...
Caveat emptor.
p.s. has your avatar anything to do with Yoshimura exhausts?
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I would rent in the Winter and not buy if I where you. This will give you an idea of whether you want to stay in Uzumlu and buy. I know there is a big ex-pat community up there and they all seem to enjoy the place.
However, you are a lot high up in the mountains than down in Fethiye or Calis, so it will be colder.
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My place in Hisaronu was constructed with two courses of terracotta blocks with a cavity filled with 1 inch Polystyrene sheet.
But this was purely because the two partners having them built intended to live in two of them full time so everything was
done to a higher standard.But all the floors are marble so I think this would cancel out any benefit of the walls construction.
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If you are unsure about the building quality or the materials used in its construction I would suggest that you find a local trustworthy builder and pay for his time to look over the property for you.I am sure many on here can recommend one.What ever it costs to have his report will be far less than anything else if issues are found later.
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Oh look here it is...hmmmm I'm no expert but are they Thermalite heat insulating blocks or standard shyte local cheap terracotta pots?
(http://www.calis-beach.co.uk/terpots.jpg)
Mmmmm toasty warm, just like the builder said.
Oh and sold too, now I wonder who already bought that :D
And now I shall butt out of this topic too ;)
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A concrete floor + concrete ceilings + concrete roof & frame + terracotta pots + lots of glass + Uzumlu's altitude
= no thermal value and a frightening heating bill. !!!!! But there again, if the builder/seller says it's cozy. :(
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One, ( or maybe even two ) would certainly be a lot warmer in a tent, than in that abortion of a " building ". Methinx that this particular " builder , barman, waiter, shoe-shine boy ", has found an easy , gullible mark, or an even easier, more gullible, yoshi, and will continue to systematically " suck him in " to his vast web of lies!! The only thing resembling the WHITE so-called Thermalite blocks, is the name of the " builders " company !!
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Thank you Scunner but your too late I already have this photo !
I can see for myself what the bricks are, nobody has said any differant but what I am trying to investigate is their quality because they vary so much, oh and yes some are called thermal blocks.
Unless you know something I dont the house I have viewed is still for sale. The photo you have is not the same house.
Why you choose to be so rude about this topic is beyond me, I choose to be polite and gracious to those that have offered advise unfortunately it can't be said for everyone.
And why everyone assumes I am gullible is ridiculous, i have simply asked a few questions about the project and the retaliation is no better than being in the playground.
Let me make it clear to prevent anyone else jumping on the band wagon. I have simply viewed a property that I am now investigating no more no less. I have not brought it and until I am completely comfortable I do not intend to. We are a successful and intelligent couple that will do the same investigations that you all would do in the same situation.
Such a shame
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Their quality is poor. In terms of thermal insulation they do not vary so much, they do not vary at all. Thermally, they are all poor. The name the builder gave you "Luke isi" appears a total of 0 times on Google so researching them would probably be difficult.
Yesterday they were Thermalite blocks (a trademarked, white concrete block manufactured by Thermalite) and you know that because you saw them in the garden - today they are terracotta as shown in the photograph that you claim you already had when claiming they were Thermalite! You also claimed it is impossible to know what the fabric of the building was, under the façade, because the properties were nearly finished. Again, you wrote that -nthen claimed you already had the photo I posted. The photo that shows....let me think on this one...ah yes, the fabric of the building under the façade..!
I have no idea why you think people are being rude. People (not just me) have seen the fresh British lamb going to the slaughter many, many times in the Turkish property market and we have members of this forum who are paying a mortgage they obtained for a property in Turkey they didn't even get to legally own, and will be doing so for a decade or two yet - because they fell into well known traps.
These people (not just me) are quite possibly rude, but we are trying to help you - you can't see that and assume we are ridiculing you or something. We are not - we are offering, freely, our experience and if there is any sense of rudeness it is actually frustration that you are going out of your way to find ways of convincing yourself that your builder and therefore you are right, and all of us who went through this (some of us many times) are wrong, and nasty.
I would call this rude, but not rude enough to have bleated on about it:
As for you having a million more times experience than me in the Turkish property market, good for you !
I find it rude firstly because it is at a level I would expect in an argument with my kids. But mainly because me having experience of many hundreds of property purchases in Turkey, and now no longer having any property or involvment in property there now, it is not good for me. It is of no use to me at all. The whole idea was that it might be good for you.
But one thing I did learn in my years of property dealing is that there is a certain number of people that cannot be saved from themselves. All the rest of us can do is realise that and let you get on with it.
CBF is 12 years old and we have had countless requests for information on all manner of things, not just property. Regular members will recall the number of times people have asked for advice and get upset when the advice doesn't match exactly their own thoughts. They don't want any opinions that don't agree with their own.
If you found this post rude, good for you. For the record I can do rude very well, I haven't for many months though.
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= no thermal value and a frightening heating bill. !!!!! But there again, if the builder/seller says it's cozy. :(
Now Kevin it states on their website £75 a month will "easily" cover all the utilities!
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For the record I can do rude very well, I haven't for many months though.
I don't know sh1t about modern concrete and bricks, but I can do rude far better than you ;)
These two threads are all about horses + water + dehydration.
Oh, and someone who wants the facts to fit their vision, and getting upset when it doesn't. Haven't had one of these for a while.
JF
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I have no idea why you think people are being rude.
I've been reading this post and the one of Uzumlu winters and am equally mystified why this "rude" thing started. I can see that some posts after the rude accusation was thrown about show some members' exasperation but nothing rude before the complaint was made.
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The only builder that I can recall using good insulation methods was an English man called Colin who lived in Ovacik.He built some properties in Uzumlu a few years ago.
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It's not just Turkey that doesn't build well insulated homes other Med Countries are just as bad f o r rougue builders and freezing conditions. I remember when I owned a house in Paphos Cyprus struggling to keep warm and coping with minus temps. It may shine for a few hours in the day but lose the sun and temps plummet. These countries get snow and ice just like back home.
Also...remember living here all year you get acclimatised and feel the cold as badly as a local. It's n o t the same as flitting here for a couple of weeks mid winter and feeling the difference to back home and then thinking you can cope. You won't unless your a millionaire who can afford Mahoosive fuel bills!!!
Caveat emptor !!!
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I have no idea what bricks these are
(http://s18.postimg.org/ygu376jid/image.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/ygu376jid/)
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Light brown ones 8)
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Are they not terracotta pots
Sorry just spotted Scunners previous post :(
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Depends who you're asking ;)
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Thought Terracotta pots were for planting up bedding plants....well in my garden they are ;D
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That's about all Turkish bricks are good for too.
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Can I ask all those that have commented on this subject what their homes are built with as it appears to me that there doesn't seem to be much of a choice out there unless you manage the build yourself.
Turkish builds all appear to be built with these bricks though be it differant qualities.
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Our family home was built with them. Once again I will say that there are no different qualities no matter how often you say it. They are all crap.
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..... and now back to the Studio.
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Seconds out round three ;)
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Scunner you keep saying this and they may well be but they do come in differant thicknesses and supposedly differant thermal qualities. Although you had 0 found on your google search there is a infact an English site that discusses this.
I accept they may be rubbish for insulation purposes but it appears they are used widely in Turkey and not every one I have spoken to, including residents of Uzumlu, are unhappy with them.
There does not appear to be too much choice when building in Turkey.
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We may now be on the home straight....... maybe!
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Scunner you keep saying this and they may well be but they do come in differant thicknesses and supposedly differant thermal qualities.
When doing your research on the internet you will find different types with different thicknesses and that could mean different levels of insulation. In Fethiye you will find pretty much one type, made in Denizli as far as I know. And that one type is crap. That one type is the type the developer you are considering uses (just like pretty much everyone else) and shown in the photo I posted of the property on housing development you are considering.
There does not appear to be too much choice when building in Turkey.
Correct. Locally, there is the one type of terracotta pot, and there are other options available, like white Thermalite and Thermalite type blocks.
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We may now be on the home straight....... maybe!
No I have been doing this a while now, I think I will have to say the same thing another 3 times at least. We can see this developer's blocks in the photo from the developers website and they are the crap one everyone uses. No magical thermal quality, no fancy reference or name. Standard local pots.
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Oh and
they are used widely in Turkey and not every one I have spoken to, including residents of Uzumlu, are unhappy with them.
Then you are talking to idiots, name and shame them
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There does seem to be a bit of a point lurking in all this wrangling. If ALL construction materials in Turkey, at least in the Mugla province, are cr*p then what is the point in doing research on them?
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Our family home was built with them.
Was it indeed. Should have got a decent builder then mate.
Our place in Karagozler is built with concrete blocks, hand poured on site by a harem of dusky maidens and transported to the third floor by a team of specialist Kazakhstani brick carriers. The mortar was mixed with same care applied to the finest gozleme batter using a silver plated "stirry thing".
Unfortunately from that point onwards Emrah's wee bricky (the one with the severe astigmatism in his right eye) did the rest.
If only Marks & Spencer built villas and apartments.
JF
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I didn't have it built!
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You could have had them replaced you know?
"Problem yok my friend, problem yok. Me and my five brothers will have all those nasty clay brick replaced by Wednesday"
JF
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Wrong J.F. It is me and my 10 Brothers, each one with a different trade. They will tell you it is their problem now... Heard that a lot in Turkey. ;D
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I did consider it actually and the cost of removal, replacement, re-rendering and replastering would have saved on heating bills and paid for itself in x number of years.
Where x = more years than I could see me staying there :)
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I can't imagine how this thread has stretched to 5 pages. Surely by now there must have been a waiter who you've spoken to and got the definitive answer ?
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Oh and
they are used widely in Turkey and not every one I have spoken to, including residents of Uzumlu, are unhappy with them
Then you are talking to idiots, name and shame them
No one has spoken to me about them ;(
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There does seem to be a bit of a point lurking in all this wrangling. If ALL construction materials in Turkey, at least in the Mugla province, are cr*p then what is the point in doing research on them?
Exactly.
Cotton thread comes in different thicknesses and qualities too. When it comes to towing the QE2, they are all crap.
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Oh and
they are used widely in Turkey and not every one I have spoken to, including residents of Uzumlu, are unhappy with them
Then you are talking to idiots, name and shame them
No one has spoken to me about them ;(
That surprises me ;)
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John F. Have you got a contact number for your Karagozler Construction Team.They sound brilliant, just what I need.
I'm setting up a Circus. :)
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Ooooooooooo, Can I be Ringmaster ?
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Get in the queue. I mentioned it on the Forum 'cause I need a load of clowns.
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is this not somebody just winding you up scunner
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I don't feel in the slightest wound up Kev, I'm thoroughly enjoying it :D
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I'm glad your enjoying it Keith, I was brickin' it. I thought you'd be mortar fyed. :D
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I'm glad your enjoying it Keith, I was brickin' it. I thought you'd be mortar fyed. :D.......................................................................
Oh no !.... I might have known this would be taken to another level Kevin3............ While there is a heated discussion going on about thermalite blocks the resulting discord is leaving me very cold... I hate to see disagreements like this plastered over the site and think maybe we should put a roof over this thread before it builds up to more antagonism. Perhaps Scunner should put a block on further posts........... even if its a thermal one..... ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
( back on thread )
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My quote paste did'nt work out :( But you know what I mean. At least the foundations have been laid for more humorous posts...............
I should stop now shouldn't I ? :-[
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(http://angiedonovan.files.wordpress.com/2013/06/oops.jpg)
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Mental block
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An insulated one obviously, i'm intelligent and i've done my research.! :P
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Ok here goes...the terracotta bricks we are talking about do have some thermal qualities if laid correctly in two separate rows(cavity wall construction) with the correct amount of cement to hold it all firmly( not the standard dib and dab Turkish method). Then insulation is placed in the cavity.
In 8 years we have seen one house in Turkey built like that and a few with Ytong (insulated concrete block) and hundreds built with single skin terracotta blocks (laid which ever way they think it will fit) with the minimum amount of cement required to stop the brick falling off!
There is absolutely NO thermal qualities about this building method.We have never heard anyone say that their house is warm built that way unless they have spent thousands of £'s to get a reliable form of heating installed.
As for £70 will sort out your utilities ....well it gave me a laugh but it will not cover your costs!
Good luck
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is that the last word on the subject lol lol 8) lol
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We've been around the block a few times
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That's a hod thing to say.
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We just seem to be going around and around the houses here, folks , ( if any are still standing ), has anyone come to any concrete decision re. these " insulating " blocks ?
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We're just pointing out the pro's and cons Gordon, and believe me, there are lot's of cons in the Turkish Building Industry.
Just don't get on a line, stay level headed.
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We really don't seem to be getting anywhere with this.. Looks like we've hit a brick wall.. : :)
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It's a blockbuster of a thread though! 8)
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I take it the serious discussion about thermal efficiency and photos showing that when builders look a customer in the eye and say they used Thermalite blocks, only to be caught out by their own photo on their own page has run it's course?
Great! It was getting a little repetative anyway,
Interestingly, local goat farmers use these "terracotta pots" to make a warm floor for their animals to give birth on. This is believed to be the origin of the phrase "New Kids on the block".
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Now, " ewe " are really getting my goat, I am on the " Horns Of a dilemma " at the moment !!
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Keith I'm on tapatalk at the moment why do I not have the like facility. Im pmsl here.
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Apparently you've been dislikated, your account blocked, rendered unusable.
You have to provide concrete proof of membership.
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Groan Kevin, I'll just go out and get plastered instead.
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Spot on. ;)
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The only builder that I can recall using good insulation methods was an English man called Colin who lived in Ovacik.He built some properties in Uzumlu a few years ago.
I am sure there are 2 of Colins properties for sale in Uzumlu at the moment. I believe they are concrete block, in fact I know they are because a friend of mine bought one last year and I had to drill the wall for him and got whitish dust coming out and the drill did not fall into oblivion as soon as it broke through the render. I am no builder but I have to say they do look a good build and finished to a good standard.
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I believe he built a group of four very pleasant houses around a pool in a pretty area of Uzumlu . It is some time since I have been to Turkey and do not know if they are sold or not.
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2 for sale on there.
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Then
(http://s18.postimg.org/ygu376jid/image.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/ygu376jid/)
And now
(http://s16.postimg.org/e11uy0d7l/house1.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/e11uy0d7l/)
PS I hope it's thew same house. :-\ :-[