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Title: Russian Embargo Hurting Fethiye - and it Hasn't Even Started Yet
Post by: Scunner on December 02, 2015, 19:30:33 PM
Fethiye fruit & veg producers report great hardship due to the Russian/Turkish situation - even though the embargo doesn't come into play until January.

"Regional industries are losing as much as TL 1 million per day, said Fethiye Fruit and Vegetable Brokers Association President Atabey Akgün. Prior to the crisis, 30 trucks were departing from Fethiye every day for Russia, but the halting of trucks at the boarder has resulted in great losses."

This is just the start - how awful for the farmers and local economy, over a battle of idiot egos.


Today's Zaman (http://www.todayszaman.com/business_russian-embargo-forces-farmers-to-make-painful-price-cuts_405935.html)
Title: Re: Russian Embargo Hurting Fethiye - and it Hasn't Even Started Yet
Post by: Stuart T on December 02, 2015, 19:49:01 PM
Agree wholeheartedly, Scunner.

Rare, it seems, that you and I find common ground.

This is "my d***s bigger than yours" nonsense.

The little guy gets hurt.

So wrong....
Title: Re: Russian Embargo Hurting Fethiye - and it Hasn't Even Started Yet
Post by: usedbustickets on December 02, 2015, 21:36:40 PM
Battle of the ego emperors it maybe, but perhaps before we start throwing sympathy in the direction of the Turkish losers, like Fruit and Veg merchants and growers or hotel/tourist owners and employees, we should ask how many of them voted for the AKP in the recent election... at least 1 in every 2 adults I'd suggest!!

The sky is starting to darken with chickens coming home to roost  .... too late now for large number of the Turkish people to start complaining about their lot in Turkey and in the wider world, methinks.
Title: Re: Russian Embargo Hurting Fethiye - and it Hasn't Even Started Yet
Post by: Scunner on December 02, 2015, 21:40:58 PM
Do you think the Russian plane wouldn't have been shot down if there was a different party in government?
Title: Re: Russian Embargo Hurting Fethiye - and it Hasn't Even Started Yet
Post by: usedbustickets on December 02, 2015, 21:57:19 PM
I absolutely do .... The Turkish military did not just make a decision to shoot the plane down in the minutes before it was shot down, because Reg had already given his authority/instruction to shoot the next Ruski plane out of the sky that got near/in the direction of/ or even into Turkish airspace.  And only that power crazy religious zealot, out to build the new Ottoman Empire starting in Syria, bolstered by the General Election result would be religiously charged and/or mad and/or stupid and/or power crazed enough to shoot down that plane.  He must see some advantage in it, but not for the people of Turkey, only for for himself.
Title: Re: Russian Embargo Hurting Fethiye - and it Hasn't Even Started Yet
Post by: Scunner on December 02, 2015, 22:09:11 PM
Maybe so. I doubt a Fethiye tomato farm worker would consider that as part of their election evaluations.
Title: Re: Russian Embargo Hurting Fethiye - and it Hasn't Even Started Yet
Post by: stoop on December 02, 2015, 23:08:27 PM

Quote from: Scunner on December 02, 2015, 21:40:58 PM
Do you think the Russian plane wouldn't have been shot down if there was a different party in government?

100% yes to that.
Title: Re: Russian Embargo Hurting Fethiye - and it Hasn't Even Started Yet
Post by: kevin3 on December 02, 2015, 23:22:23 PM
 
  They may well do come the next election. The more I read about ISIL, oil sales and resales, the Sultan,
  his family,their shipping companies, oil transporting, Russia's decision to spill the beans on it all, the more
  I think the Sultan will face some big problems soon.He can't be too popular in his own party, just tolerated
  out of fear.I think Russia were / are shutting down his oil supply so he decided to stop them.
Title: Re: Russian Embargo Hurting Fethiye - and it Hasn't Even Started Yet
Post by: Scunner on December 02, 2015, 23:26:51 PM
If all that is true, maybe they deliberately got one of their planes to encroach to provoke all this plan into action?
Title: Re: Russian Embargo Hurting Fethiye - and it Hasn't Even Started Yet
Post by: kevin3 on December 02, 2015, 23:39:58 PM


  Time may tell. The one thing for sure is the average Turk is in for hard times.   :(
Title: Re: Russian Embargo Hurting Fethiye - and it Hasn't Even Started Yet
Post by: Scunner on December 02, 2015, 23:49:37 PM
Not just the average Turk either - it means less business for the lokanta, the barber, the local shop - and that means less barbers and shopkeepers in restaurants, taxis, hotels etc - couple that with 4.5 million Russians and however many nervous Brits/Europeans deciding not to come in 2016 and I think it's hard times for all :(
Title: Re: Russian Embargo Hurting Fethiye - and it Hasn't Even Started Yet
Post by: usedbustickets on December 03, 2015, 08:11:35 AM
Quote from: Scunner on December 02, 2015, 22:09:11 PM
Maybe so. I doubt a Fethiye tomato farm worker would consider that as part of their election evaluations.
Well perhaps they should have, because Reg had already shown what he would do to stay in power by re-igniting the war in Kurdish areas and across the border in Iraq.  And this all took place well before the General Election in order to win that election, and was all about strong man power politics, and that Turkish strong man was no longer Ataturk but Reg himself.  And the Turkish majority loudly cheered and voted him in, as indeed the Turks did when they shot down the Ruski plane.
Title: Re: Russian Embargo Hurting Fethiye - and it Hasn't Even Started Yet
Post by: Colwyn on December 03, 2015, 11:21:54 AM
We are a long way from:
"Yurtta sulh, cihanda sulh"

(Peace at home; peace in the world)

Attaturk, 20 April 1931


[The full sentence was:

"To describe the stable and general diplomacy of the Republican People's Party (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republican_People%27s_Party_%28Turkey%29),

I think this short sentence is enough: We work for peace at home, peace in the world."
Title: Re: Russian Embargo Hurting Fethiye - and it Hasn't Even Started Yet
Post by: mercury on December 03, 2015, 11:31:34 AM
Fethiye area are not usually AKP voters.. which is why they struggle to get funding from the government.
Title: Re: Russian Embargo Hurting Fethiye - and it Hasn't Even Started Yet
Post by: Colwyn on December 03, 2015, 11:52:38 AM
Quote from: Colwyn on December 03, 2015, 11:21:54 AM
Attaturk, 20 April 1931
Whoops. Sorry. Ataturk.
Title: Re: Russian Embargo Hurting Fethiye - and it Hasn't Even Started Yet
Post by: JohnF on December 03, 2015, 12:06:17 PM
Quote from: mercury on December 03, 2015, 11:31:34 AM
Fethiye area are not usually AKP voters.. which is why they struggle to get funding from the government.

Correct.  Fethiye been CHP for as long as I can remember.  Same as Izmir, which has been subject to retribution by way of lack of funding and a few land grabs (Diyanet) as well.

JF
Title: Re: Russian Embargo Hurting Fethiye - and it Hasn't Even Started Yet
Post by: usedbustickets on December 03, 2015, 13:57:10 PM
Your missing the point altogether.  Perhaps because of being locked into the Fethiye bubble.  Thinking that what goes on here in this untypical Turkish town is the same for the rest of Turkey, and that in some way the people living here, are exempt from what goes on in all of the rest of Turkey. Do you really think the tail wags this particular dog? I don't think so.  Mind you plenty round here did vote for the AKP.

In the November General Election, which had one of the largest turnouts for any election in Turkey. Turkish voters,  both here in Turkey and abroad, gave Reg and the AKP an overwhelming endorsement, with more people voting for the AKP than ALL the other parties combined. I'd like to see the results of Reg's governance only hit the AKP voters, but it just does not work that way  .... and like I said above it was not just AKP supporters who cheered when the plane was shot down.

Title: Re: Russian Embargo Hurting Fethiye - and it Hasn't Even Started Yet
Post by: mercury on December 03, 2015, 14:50:52 PM
The discussion was headed Fethiye embargo hurting Fethiye...and you commented that they shouldnt have voted AKP.. Hence my comment and I stick by it that the majority do not.. This is why the schools etc. have to be helped out by charities because Central Government punish the areas that on not vote for the,, A discussion about the rest of Turkey should be under another heading.. I have yet to meet anyone from Gunlukbasi or Calis that vote AKP..Erdogan is not populat there trust me.
Title: Re: Russian Embargo Hurting Fethiye - and it Hasn't Even Started Yet
Post by: yabanci on December 03, 2015, 17:23:41 PM
Quote from: mercury on December 03, 2015, 14:50:52 PM
I have yet to meet anyone from Gunlukbasi or Calis that vote AKP..Erdogan is not populat there trust me.

27,873 people voted for the AK party in Fethiye in the June 2015 election,32.0% of voters.In the November election that figure rose to 36.3% of voters.
Title: Re: Russian Embargo Hurting Fethiye - and it Hasn't Even Started Yet
Post by: Scunner on December 03, 2015, 17:44:32 PM
I don't quite get the logic UBT - if many Brits lost my job because Cameron ordered a plane be shot down and the affected country put in place hardship causing sanctions, it would serve the people right for voting Tory?

Title: Re: Russian Embargo Hurting Fethiye - and it Hasn't Even Started Yet
Post by: usedbustickets on December 03, 2015, 21:37:04 PM
Yes that about sums things up, hard as it might seem.  The warning signs of the madness and tactics of Reg were there in the run up to November's General Election.  Also as Yabanci has confirmed to my assertion that plenty of people in Fethiye were not innocent of supporting this mess, with over 36% of the Fethiye voters supporting the AKP.  Perhaps we should ask that all those people in Fethiye who voted AKP - and it looks like there are enough of them - should take the hit in economic or employment terms for the problems likely to be faced by this area.  Then again it looks like no one wants to own up to the fact that they did vote AKP, or perhaps they have been avoiding Mercury's company?
Title: Re: Russian Embargo Hurting Fethiye - and it Hasn't Even Started Yet
Post by: Scunner on December 03, 2015, 21:57:56 PM
No, still not getting it.

A tomato picker with limited (if any) appreciation of foreign policy feels that the AKP might allow him the best chance of putting a meal on his family's table. AKP cause (let's go with that being the case) an international incident many hundreds of miles from Fethiye and the outcome is economic hardship for tomato picker.

He only has himself to blame? Seriously?

Scenario 2

A tomato picker with limited (if any) appreciation of foreign policy feels that the MHP might allow him the best chance of putting a meal on his family's table. AKP cause (let's go with that being the case) an international incident many hundreds of miles from Fethiye and the outcome is economic hardship for tomato picker.

It's his fault for what...being amongst tomato pickers who voted AKP?

With all due respect (and you know what that means    ;) ) you are talking absolute rubbish.
Title: Re: Russian Embargo Hurting Fethiye - and it Hasn't Even Started Yet
Post by: usedbustickets on December 06, 2015, 09:38:42 AM
I am talking rubbish...really?

I'm not the one using tomato pickers as an example.  AKP support is strongest in agricultural areas, you'll find it hard to find CHP supporters amongst that pious reactionary group.  Besides which most of the tomato pickers I see are women, as the men stand over them supervising or driving the tractor!!

Scenario 1 - Is their ignorance or ill education over foreign affairs a reason for me having to be sympathetic towards their plight from a Russian embargo?  Of course not, neither is it a reason/excuse for a chance that they may have 'misvoted' for the AKP, they knew what they were doing.  You take the consequences of your vote, good or indifferent, and in the case of shooting down the Russian plan...bad.  And like it as not they probably loudly cheered when the plane was shot down, and almost certainly gave a nod and a wink of support to the ISIS bombing against the Kurds during the general election, and were probably rapturous as Reg declared war against his own citizens in Kurdish areas - mind you enough of those pious silly buggers still voted for him!!

Scenario 2 - This is why I said to you need to look further than the Fethiye bubble-land, he has to take responsibility for what Turkey's politician are doing/saying in his name or protest loudly against it - and with a couple of notable and noble exceptions we have seen little protest across Turkey - certainly not from the MHP unless it is to try to firebomb out local Kurds!.... but in the case of the MHP voter  he probably cheered louder than the AKP supporter I described above. Indeed so many of the MHP supporters liked what Reg was doing, they went and voted for him.  You expect me to be sympathetic towards him when the likely response of an MHP government would be worst than REg and his cronies.

Scunner old son, you've got to take off those rose tinted glasses.  Things are coming to a nasty head in Turkey, and all Turks need to take their share of the blame, particularly those  - on all sides - who think they are doing it in their god's name!!
Title: Re: Russian Embargo Hurting Fethiye - and it Hasn't Even Started Yet
Post by: Highlander on December 06, 2015, 11:07:40 AM
Quote from: usedbustickets on December 06, 2015, 09:38:42 AM
......and all Turks need to take their share of the blame..............!

Does that mean that all Brits need to take their share of the blame for the bombing of Syria ?
Title: Re: Russian Embargo Hurting Fethiye - and it Hasn't Even Started Yet
Post by: Scunner on December 06, 2015, 11:09:18 AM
Uneducated, manual farm labours vote for party with blatant disregard and ignorance of potential foreign policies that may cause trade embargo - and with that they voted full in the knowledge that it would mean providing for their family very difficult.

Or maybe as you say, that's the "rose tinted" view. If you vote for a party for your reasons, you are responsible for everything they do?