Calis Beach and Fethiye Turkey Discussion Forum
Other Local Resorts & Areas => Ovacik Discussion Forum => Topic started by: kayakebab on August 18, 2012, 07:15:21 AM
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As we know on this forum officials in Olu Deniz aren't too concerned about animal related issues!
The problem of cats ( and most likely birds, insects, lizards etc ) being injured by this English mans razor wire has been highlighted in local newspapers, Land of Lights, and tv after Haytap became involved but there is of course a waiting game now to see if it can be resolved.
After discussion with Haytap we decided that maybe a petition would raise further awareness and let the officials know the level of disapproval.
Please sign and share the petition, we know how strong people power can be
PLEASE HELP !!!
https://www.change.org/petitions/officials-in-and-around-fethiye-turkey-enforce-the-removal-of-razor-wire-which-is-injuring-pets-and-wildlife?utm_campaign=autopublish&utm_medium=facebook&utm_source=share_petition&utm_term=26403467
Thank you
Linda
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Thanks for the private messages and support so far.
Keep signing and sharing please
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I have two neighbours, one with two cats and the other with three. The two use my back garden as a loo and the three my front garden. I'm glad you have suggested the razor wire as it might keep them in so I can sort them out with my 9 iron. My three under 5 grandchildren who play in my garden are more important than any buggers moggies!!!!!
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Injuries from the wires, I'm saddened that Kenkay feels he'd like to do the same
https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.10151060445629936.447722.682869935&type=1&l=1a4e983751
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Signed.
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I am not sure that we have the full story. Maybe this poor guy, or his neighbours, have been victims of break-ins and he is doing his best to protect his property.
I have protected one of my garden boundaries with the stalks of palm leaves ( very effective they are too).And at the same time provide natural habitats for the wild life.
If the use of razor wire is illegal, for private use ,then he should take it down. If not, then good luck to him and I might consider investing in some too.
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signed.
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Signed
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I shouldn't really be surprised by some of the selfish replies I see on forums , but this one has really takes the biscuit. I suppose they may just be idiosyncratic jokes by would-be Victor Meldrew’s. If they were genuinely serious .... fingers crossed no "grandchildren" get torn to bits by anyone’s razor wire .... no matter how deludedly well meaning it was intended.
Too bad folk went to all the trouble of freeing those dolphins ... it could have kept the whole are in free tuna-like sandwiches for ages. (hyperbole to make an “insensitivity” point)
PS. I am not cat lover or a dolphin hater. It’s humans who give me the pip !
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What surprises me aside from the obvious is that after 3 days we still haven't reached 100 signatures.
On here there can be pages and pages about the price of beer, and restaurant recommendations, but someone's life being made miserable by someone injuring their animals and the costs of veterinary treatment etc only warrants a few posts and most of the comments are beyond my comprehension.
This forum has thousands of members. The numerous animal related Facebook pages have hundreds of animal lovers between them, but hardly anyone has taken the time to sign and share, even admins and people who are actively raising money for animals haven't signed.
Is it just the bargains and the parties they want?
We could all get together and help this guy, help his cats, help the street cats who can't always be caught to get vital treatment, protect wildlife, show the authorities that people don't approve of cruelty, raise awareness, and maybe start getting some test cases in the papers as a step towards improving things in Turkey.
Animal welfare laws exist, but sadly unless situations are brought to the attention of those who should be enforcing the laws it will never improve.
It's the same Mayor who thought it was ok to put dolphins in a swimming pool who has control over whether this wire is removed, your help is needed again to show right from wrong.
Oh and the wire isn't there for security, it's pretty much known why it's there, but I'm unable to elaborate further.
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I agree that such extremes as razor-wire are unacceptable and can appreciate the concern for pets and more importantly people / children however, I also completely understand Kenkay's anger and frustration at other people's pets using his garden as a toilet.
I don't hate animals but I do detest cats coming to poo in my garden and will frighten them away with whatever comes to hand at the time like a hosepipe or a well aimed tennis ball! We want our grandkids to play safely in our garden and not have to look out for disgusting mess left by someone else's pet. As I said, I don't hate animals but I do not like cats for this reason.
On the subject of animal petitions - whilst I disapprove of cruelty in any shape or form, I'm not so fired up I want to join the crusade on this occasion without knowing more. Maybe the person involved has reached desperation point - What would I do if the safety of my grandkids was at stake or all my hard work and expense was being ruined by animals - pets or otherwise. I don't know?
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Signed and shared.
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I'm sorry for the injuries suffered by various animals, birds etc. but I have to wholeheartedly agree with Bluwise's post. People want these animals as pets, they should also think of the problems they cause their neighbours.
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Still trying to read somewhere just why this man has this wire round his property, I love animals, but I do hate cats coming into my garden and using it as a loo, I know you cannot stop a cat from roaming, but I do think that cat owners should think about what the neighbour thinks regarding them having them in their gardens.
Plus Cat Poo and Urine is dangerous to children and adults.
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Most of the cats in the area are feral cats and they will roam and do what ever they want to. We try and discourage them, with limited success, with a water pistol.
We have been adopted by 3 cats, we have had them neutered, and we give them some food twice a day. They do not come into the house and when we are away they have to look after themselves.
We also give the odd scraps , along with some of our Turkish neighbours, to half a dozen bin cats.Some have the bin cats have been neutered some have not.
Yesterday, we discovered a cat with seven kittens in our wood pile. When they are a few weeks older we will try and catch them and take them to the animal sanctuary and let them sort the problem.
None of these cats are ours but we do what we can. Are we selfish so and so's who allow cats to crap in other peoples gardens or do we let them all starve? Or, do we leave people alone to, by whatever means they can, and prevent strays from using their gardens as a toilet?
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One flavour of kind acts does not "trump" other selfish acts.
I don't see how feeding stray cats (and adding to the problems of more cats defecating in gardens) makes it right to "invest in" your own razor wire which is only there to damage anything it touches
This post was asking for help removing razor wire. You would like to install some of your own so it seems clear where you are on the subject.
What I find really hard to belive is someone who is kind enough to feed stray cats would not be completely guilt ridden if their own "stray cats" or anyoneone elses animal was badly injured on their own new razor wire.
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Given that we do not know the circumstances why this guy has decided to use razor wire. And that its use , as far as we know, is not illegal . It is difficult to condemn his actions out of hand.
We do not know how he was approached, the conversations involved or wether alternative systems were discussed, when he was asked to remove the razor wire.
For my part. In my first post I stated that I might consider its use but the stems of the palm fronds were also effective and conducive to wild life.
If you remove from your mind the evocative images of men and animals hanging from the wire as in The Great War.
A strand or two of this wire placed along the top of iron railings does two things.
1. It acts as a deterrent to any one who wants to clamber over the railings.
2. It allows animals to pass freely between the railings.
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Was one of the first to sign this petition.I am a true cat lover in every sense of the word and not ashamed to admit it.My three personal cats are house cats and only get let out for a couple of hours in the morning if I am at home.The only reason for this is I get very anxious if they are out for any length of time in case they get injured or lost.I also feed 2 street cats who have both been neutered.In answer to the negative posts........I feel that anything that causes undue suffering to any animal should be made illegal,Turkey does have certain laws pertaining to the welfare of animals but seems to have difficulty putting them into practise........To those concerned who are concerned for their gardens? and grandchildren can I just remind them that children can easily fall into this wire and cause serious damage which can disfigure them for life.
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Street animals are a reality in this country. Everybody living here has to accept this. We try to solve this problem by feeding , catching and neutering them. This is a great effort and needs dedication. It will take time , but in the end pet lovers and pet haters will benefit from the results. If anybody does not want to be part of the solution , they just should not be part of the problem.
Soon a new animal protection law will pass and those harming animals will also face prison charges. Those who are for wires should start to think removing them. Just a friendly reminder.