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General Topics => Other Sports (Not Football) => Topic started by: Highlander on November 05, 2016, 16:08:19 PM
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OK his opponent withdrew and had didn't have to play but what a fantastic achievement from the boy from Dunblane.
Does being number one make him Britain's greatest sportsman - I think it might.
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Ermmmm....... No.
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Your vote would go to whom ?
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Nobody in particular springs to mind at the moment. However, Murray may be very good, but I don't think he's the greatest.
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Do you mean current sportsman or greatest ever? Not that Murray would get there on either count in my book. I'll have a think about it for the greatest ever British sportsman.
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My candidates would include Mo Farah, Steve Redgrave and Chris Hoy.
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Britain has a history of great cyclists, great athletes, great rowers, so to excel in a sport where we have not been great for over 70 odd years and in the toughest era ever, then yes Andy Murray deserves all the accolades coming his way. Despite what some might see as petulant behaviour when he's struggling in a match, it is rarely directed at his opponent, in fact I think he's one of the most honest and least arrogant sportsmen I've ever heard interviewed.
Had ranking points been awarded at the Rio Olympics (as they were at London 2012) Andy would already have been No 1 in the world, so fair play to him for the hard work he has put in this year. If he does well at the end of year championships I can see him picking up SPOTY for the third consecutive year.
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OK his opponent withdrew and had didn't have to play but what a fantastic achievement from the boy from Dunblane.
Does being number one make him Britain's greatest sportsman - I think it might.
How can being rated No I make him Britain's greatest sportsman. It is just one sport, tennis. And how long will he be No1 for. Not long I fear.
Good achievement I agree. But no, It doesn't make him Britain's greatest sportsman.Not in my eyes anyway.Far to many others have got an argument to be that.
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Why didn't you name one then :(
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How can being rated No I make him Britain's greatest sportsman. It is just one sport, tennis.
Being no1 in tennis is a fact
Being the best sportsman overall is up for opinion
Discussion forum etc
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He is certainly up there with the greats. Redgrave, Farah, Hoy, McCoy, Charlton, Bannister - the list goes on.
Well done Murray!
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Lorimer...Giles...Bremner... ;)
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Lorimer...Giles...Bremner... ;)
Actually the best of that bunch was probably Madeley as he played in every position apart from keeper. Unsung hero I think.
But if I was to add a footballer other than Sir Bobby I would say John Charles. One of the all time greats.
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Lorimer...Giles...Bremner... ;)
And not an Englishman among them ;)
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The problem with footballers is that they played in a team and relied on others to at least some extent.
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I believe Murray's claim is strengthened by the fact that he is competing against three of the greatest ever players.
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I don't think too many will have Paul Madeley down as their best ever sportsman. ;)
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Actually the best of that bunch was probably Madeley
Yeah, he's a passable presenter and his Mrs, Judy writes a good book. But his daughter Chloe !!!
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You could as I said earlier choose many sportsman in many different sports but its just your opinionand preference. Football has been mentioned. So could darts (if you consider it a sport) also snooker. The list goes on really.
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Good grief - of course you could !!!!!!. That was the question.
I'll try again especially for you.
Question 1: Do you think that Andy Murray is Britain's greatest sportsman across all sports.
Question 2: If toyour answer to question 1 is No then who do consider is.
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FFS, he's been number one for about ten minutes and we should now prostrate ourselves on the altar of Murray?
Get a grip.
JF
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Good grief - of course you could !!!!!!. That was the question.
I'll try again especially for you.
Question 1: Do you think that Andy Murray is Britain's greatest sportsman across all sports.
Question 2: If toyour answer to question 1 is No then who do consider is.
Good grief H...Read my first post and you will see both my answers to both questions.
Totally agree with you JohnF.
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Well done Andy, let's celebrate a great British Sportsman and stop bickering.
Glad to see he is No.1 in the World of Tennis, he has worked hard to achieve that and should be congratulated by everyone in Britain.
I also think he is a good candidate for No.1 Sportsman in the U.K at the moment as he has beaten the tennis world to get to his position.
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Formula 1 is my thing really and from there I would choose Stirling Moss.
From other sports Daley Thompson is up there, more recently I would say Chris Hoy.
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Good grief H...Read my first post and you will see both my answers to both questions.
I do apolgise but you will have to remind me who you named as being the greatest Britain's sportsman ahead of Andy Murray.
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I love F1 to and can understand you choosing Moss above the modern drivers such as Hamilton .Not that he isn't a superb driver of the faster
modern cars. But in the earlier era's I think the cars then were far harder to drive so more driver skill was needed to control them. We live near Brands Hatch and when younger often went to watch the British Grand Prix.Brands Hatch was a very difficult circuit to master to.I do miss going there.
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And your greatest British Sports person is ?
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Good grief H...Read my first post and you will see both my answers to both questions.
I do apolgise but you will have to remind me who you named as being the greatest Britain's sportsman ahead of Andy Murray.
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I didn't name anyone one person H. As I said there are so many sports and so many great sportsmen/women to choose from.I think
if you were into darts you would maybe pick Phil Taylor who has won 16 world championships. Maybe if your into snooker you could choose
from a few candidates.The list is never ending.
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James, if you don't understand how to use the "reply with quote" feature, just reply. That way we can work out what bit was yours.
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Scunner you correct I don't know how. I'm just guessing how to do it. The same as I don't know how to take a sentence out of a topic and just quote that.Nothing is really explained to a newbie like me on how to do these things on here.I have looked at "A simple quide to using reply with quote" but it makes no sense to me at all.Maybe its because it was written 7 years ago.Or just maybe I'm just slow. I apologize anyway.
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Comparing then and now personalities and events is unfair in some respects as things have
changed so much. Footballs,boots,pitches, training,sports science ect.Formula 1 cars,tyres,
circuits,electronics, ect. We have our favorite's from our generation but further down the
line the next generation will say "who". I have my favorites but sport has changed beyond
recognition.
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jamesuk
People who know me (and JohnF who doesn't :)) will tell you that I can be a royal pain in the posterior at times but can you indulge me and give me one name.
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From what sport H
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And your greatest British Sports person is ?
From what sport H
My God
Greatest sports person means...
FROM ANY SPORT!!!
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Already answered it. I don't efffing know so leave it ok.
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So why ask which sport?!!
Curious chap
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Already answered it. I don't efffing know so leave it ok.
(https://s14.postimg.org/69rek3km5/white_flag_surrender_233204.jpg) (https://postimg.org/image/69rek3km5/)
You win !
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Jocky Wilson
(https://i.guim.co.uk/img/static/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2012/3/27/1332871526089/Dexys-Midnight-Runners-008.jpg?w=620&q=55&auto=format&usm=12&fit=max&s=2c34627fa0777fffac6b92bcff34f4b4)
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Formula 1 is my thing really and from there I would choose Stirling Moss.
...and I'll raise you a Jim Clark.
JF
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For the umpteenth time I don't know. Is that to hard to take in.Or are deliberately trying to wind me up with your childish way of bullying.Just leave ok.
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You are still here in page 4 of a topic that you haven't got an opinion on? How odd.
By the way, it's called discussing, not bullying.
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Jamesuk
If you don't know how can you challenge my opinion that Andy Murray is.
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He doesn't effing know. Leave it.
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Or are deliberately trying to wind me up with your childish way of bullying.Just leave ok.
Ok, so far you've been both bullied and discriminated against - reckon online forums with grown ups might not be your thing fella.
JF
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Formula 1 is my thing really and from there I would choose Stirling Moss.
...and I'll raise you a Jim Clark.
JF
Decent call but car he as given presumably must have played a part.
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Grown ups lol Funny.
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Yes - since September 2003 (with the odd exception of course)
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Grown ups lol Funny.
Some growing up needed for sure James if you want to chat with the adults
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Formula 1 is my thing really and from there I would choose Stirling Moss.
...and I'll raise you a Jim Clark.
JF
I had to go to John Cleland's house not so long back. Wow, there must be money in rallying :o
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Formula 1 is my thing really and from there I would choose Stirling Moss.
...and I'll raise you a Jim Clark.
JF
Decent call but car he as given presumably must have played a part.
So Murray plays in his bare feet and with a ten bob racquet?
"Britain's greatest sportsman " ROTFLMAO.
JF
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Formula 1 is my thing really and from there I would choose Stirling Moss.
...and I'll raise you a Jim Clark.
JF
I had to go to John Cleland's house not so long back. Wow, there must be money in rallying :o
Might be more to do with the number of Volvos and Jaguars he sells.
JF
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Yes there is that too :)
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When someone asks me a question and I answer it but then he asks me again and I answer. He then does it a further 3 times and I answer the question something isn't right. Then when others start asking the same question FOR NO REASON to me yes it is bullying. For what reason?
Other than getting a CHILDISH kick out it.I noticed it was only me that the question was asked again and again. Nobody else who gave the same answer as I did. Grown ups. What grown ups.
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Are you Alixandria in disguise?
JF
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James,
On here you need to drop the negative, bitter posts and join us in enjoying a unique part of the world and a bit of tongue in cheek banter. Or you need to realise this is not for you and leave.
Only you can make the first option happen. There are several of us who can arrange the second one.
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Are you Alixandria in disguise?
JF
Funny you should have thought that. Won't be given anything like as much rope this time...
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There are several of us who can arrange the second one.
Feck aye, its how some of us get our kicks, allegedly.
JF
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Are you Alixandria in disguise?
JF
Won't be given anything like as much rope this time...
Hang on a sec...
JF
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jamesuk
Please set aside all previous posts and just tell this Forum who in your opinion you consider to be Britain's greatest sports person.
I don't think that's too much to ask
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He can't. Effing leave it.
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jamesuk
Please set aside all previous posts and just tell this Forum who in your opinion you consider to be Britain's greatest sports person.
I don't think that's too much to ask
Sorry folks - fat fingers I think - embarrassing at best :-[ :-[ :-[
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I haven't a clue what you are talking about now. Why am I negative when I do try to join in topics and give an opinion. Where are e my bitter posts because there are none from me.I am all for banter but this topic has got beyond that and been directed towards me. Why I don't know.
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jamesuk
Please set aside all previous posts and just tell this Forum who in your opinion you consider to be Britain's greatest sports person.
I don't think that's too much to ask
I do not have one for the 6th time.
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You haven't got an opinion in this topic so why are you even still here...
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Same reason as others Scunner but they have left. Probably fed up with all this banter. I am now as well so I won't give any more opinions on this topic.
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You don't have any on this topic
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Far to many others have got an argument to be that.
Well you started off having an opinion. But subsequently you haven't seen fit to name one - unless you are sticking with Phil Taylor
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TBH, you started it with such a dickish claim about Murray being a British sporting demi god.
JF
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johnF
My original post read......
"Does being number one make him Britain's greatest sportsman - I think it might".
I do apologise for not including an ? in my post.
And forgive me but I had thought that this was a Discussion Forum and that my post was appropriate.
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I had thought that this was a Discussion Forum
It is. You are allowed an opinion - as am I, and I think your opinion in respect of Murray is dickish.
JF
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Getting back to Highlander's original post....is Andy Britain's greatest sportsman? Given that tennis is one on one (except for doubles before some smartarse steps in) and given that Federer, Nadal, and Djokovic all have the credentials to be considered the G.O.A.T, depending on preference, the fact that Andy has been part of the elite 4 for a number of years is an achievement in itself. He's worked hard to challenge the best his sport can offer. He's inspired our youngsters, Dan Evans and Kyle Edmund to step up and improve their rankings. They were playing on the Challenger and Futures Tours last year, now they have direct entry into all the majors and ATP events and something that Federer, Nadal and Djokovic can never emulate are the two back to back Olympic Gold Medals.
So yes, currently Andy Murray is by far and away this Nation's greatest sportsman and deservedly so.
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I dont think Andy Murrays our greatest sportsman.
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Formula 1 is my thing really and from there I would choose Stirling Moss.
...and I'll raise you a Jim Clark.
JF
That is the main reason I took a while to commit myself to an answer. Then I recall an interview I read with Jim Clark, where he praised Moss' ability.
If Jim Clark reckoned Moss was better who am I or anyone else to argue?
Moss would have won the 1958 Championship if he hadn't supported Mike Hawthorn's appeal against his disqualification from the Portuguese Grand Prix.
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Being No. 1 in the world rankings and, at the same time, reigning Olympic Champion has to give Murray a ticket for the shortlist for current greatest UK sportsman. Of course, if it was all-time greatest the list would include Gareth Edwards. And Barry John. And JPR. And Gerald Davies. And the Pontrypool Front Row. And ... well just all of them.
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I think the greatest sportsman has got to be the old boy who Murray keeps in his bag to polish his balls. (http://i163.photobucket.com/albums/t301/KayaKoyuWalker/Andy%20Murray%202.jpg)
He looks very familiar. Is he related to you H ?
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Formula 1 is my thing really and from there I would choose Stirling Moss.
...and I'll raise you a Jim Clark.
JF
That is the main reason I took a while to commit myself to an answer. Then I recall an interview I read with Jim Clark, where he praised Moss' ability.
If Jim Clark reckoned Moss was better who am I or anyone else to argue?
Moss would have won the 1958 Championship if he hadn't supported Mike Hawthorn's appeal against his disqualification from the Portuguese Grand Prix.
I'm sure he did, that was the essence of the man - modest in the extreme.
JF
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So how many championships did he win?
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Until his untimely death in 1968:
F1 World Champion, 1963 and 1965; runner-up, 1962 and 1964
Indianapolis 500 winner, 1965; runner-up, 1963 and 1966
British Touring Car Championship Champion, 1964
Tasman Series Cup winner, 1965, 1967 and 1968
Trophées de France Formula Two Champion, 1965
JF
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Andy Murray wins in Paris.
Just saying :)
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Still not the greatest.
Just saying.
;)
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For me, Jonny Wilkinson (despite Highlander's assertions that "team" sportsmen shouldn't be in there).
There is nothing about that man that does not command respect as the best we (Britain) have ever had.
New Zealand's Dan Carter pushes him close in terms of ability - maybe even better but as a New Zealander he's not qualified.
Jonny Wilkinson is dedicated, wholly professional, successful and a role model for all.
Andy Murray may well be (Hoy et al aside) Scotland's "greatest" sportsman.
Never Britain's greatest - "ABE" - (anyone but England) - being a great sportsman goes beyond being successful in your chosen sport.
It's Britain's greatest sportsman you're looking for - not the most successful in his chosen field.
If that was the case you need look no further than Phil Taylor.
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In the days of my youthood my hero was Mike Hailwood, a champion on and off race circuits. What a guy.
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And Giacomo Agostini Kevin! ;)
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Yeah, he was one of the best impressionists of the time.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hXGssEbShJY
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...and a little bit too Italian, perhaps?
: )
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Indeed Lotty, I know a guy that owns 2 MVs that were raced by Mike & Ago plus a couple of
Mikes earlier bikes. I got to know some of these guys in the paddocks and I was talking to
Mike in his Birmingham showroom a couple of days before he and his young daughter died
in a car smash.He was admired by every rider and could win on any sort of bike. A true
champion and a lovely, funny man
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Barry Sheene
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Lennox Lewis,
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This little island of ours has produced some fantastic and heroic sportspeople and we should
be justifiably proud of their achievements, and grateful for their sacrifices and dedication.
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Well said that man !.
If I were to consider a member of a team there would be only one winner - Kenny Dalglish not just for his exploits on the field but for what he did at the time and since the Hillsborough disaster.
A thoroughly decent human being.
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I don't think too many will have Paul Madeley down as their best ever sportsman. ;)
Many Leeds United fans would and even more of his team mates from the 70's would too :)
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I love the fact that once Dunblane was known for a very dark day and that is all people knew. Now it is famous for Andy and his brother Jamie. Good on them both.
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I think our dog is related to his dogs
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Many Leeds United fans
I didn't know there were "many Leeds Utd fans"!.
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So how many championships did he win?
I meant Stirling Moss since he was proposed as UK Greatest Sportsperson!
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I don't think he won any...
JF
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Great!
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I think our dog is related to his dogs
I didn't know Paul Madeley owned dogs
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Seriously, best/greatest CURRENT UK sportsmen has to be Andy Murray, as he's currently at the pinnacle of his sport. A couple of years ago it would have to have been Rory McIlroy who was sitting happily as the World Number 1 in his sport.
The 'current' best/greatest will continually change.
How though do you judge it if we have 2 world number ones in 2 different sports? Is one better than the other because he's in one sport rather than another?
It's personal preference.
However, the greatest EVER, that's just opinion.
And even then I think I could only give an opinion PER SPORT
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And still the World Number One !!!!!
Very well done Andy :)
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A very well deserved placing, and now a formidable player.
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Well done to Andy a brilliant performance by the World's No.1.
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Federer, Djokovic and Nadal have, for the longest time, held the upper hand and up 'til now I think Murray has believed that his abilities are somewhat less than theirs.
Now he can wholly believe that he, at his best, can beat all of them.
He is not someone to whom I easily warm but gosh, does he deserve his success. A triumph of determination over natural ability.
As good as the latter half of 2016 has been, 2017 could be even more successful for him.
Lendl should be given great credit for making him believe.
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As Andrew Castle commented during the final game of Wimbledon 2013 "Sporting immortality doesn't come easy"
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Not that short on natural ability stuartT ;)
http://www.atpworldtour.com/en/video/murray-laces-passing-shot-london-2016
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...and to achieve it being successful, even harder.
No "Eddie the Eagle", "Eric the Eel" or "Cool Runnings" for glorious failure.
Huge success, wholly earned.
....and of course, not that short on natural ability, John - but not in Federer's league.
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Apparently Andy Murray posted Rudyard Kipling classic poem IF on his Instagram Account two weeks ago.
What a great poem it is
IF you can keep your head when all about you
Are losing theirs and blaming it on you,
If you can trust yourself when all men doubt you,
But make allowance for their doubting too;
If you can wait and not be tired by waiting,
Or being lied about, don't deal in lies,
Or being hated, don't give way to hating,
And yet don't look too good, nor talk too wise:
If you can dream - and not make dreams your master;
If you can think - and not make thoughts your aim;
If you can meet with Triumph and Disaster
And treat those two impostors just the same;
If you can bear to hear the truth you've spoken
Twisted by knaves to make a trap for fools,
Or watch the things you gave your life to, broken,
And stoop and build 'em up with worn-out tools:
If you can make one heap of all your winnings
And risk it on one turn of pitch-and-toss,
And lose, and start again at your beginnings
And never breathe a word about your loss;
If you can force your heart and nerve and sinew
To serve your turn long after they are gone,
And so hold on when there is nothing in you
Except the Will which says to them: 'Hold on!'
If you can talk with crowds and keep your virtue,
' Or walk with Kings - nor lose the common touch,
if neither foes nor loving friends can hurt you,
If all men count with you, but none too much;
If you can fill the unforgiving minute
With sixty seconds' worth of distance run,
Yours is the Earth and everything that's in it,
And - which is more - you'll be a Man, my son!
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Part of that on the wall of the players' entrance to Wimbledon (triumph and disaster bit)
Wonderful, wonderful words.
Father gave it to me (in a frame) many, many moons ago.
If only I were that good....
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Yes he played realy well, and deserved to be no1 in the world.