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Re: Turkey raising the stakes
« Reply #20 on: November 25, 2015, 11:47:29 AM »
Latest from the BBC:

Breaking off military contacts with Turkey, Russia has announced fighter jets will now escort its bombers during air strikes over Syria, and Moscow is sending out its most anti-aircraft missile system, the S-400.



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Turkey raising the stakes
« Reply #21 on: November 25, 2015, 12:22:44 PM »
"Davutoglu told his party's lawmakers on Wednesday that Turkey didn't know the nationality of the plane that was brought down on Tuesday until Moscow announced it was Russian."


What? They are telling us that they had time to give out ten warnings yet after all that they had no idea who's jet it was? So they shot it down anyway!

I find that very worrying if true.


http://bigstory.ap.org/article/072308dda5d84180bd2f1e1028853772/latest-russia-says-1-downed-pilot-held-syrian-army

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Re: Turkey raising the stakes
« Reply #22 on: November 25, 2015, 12:32:29 PM »
They were making a point.  They knew full well what nationality the aircraft was.

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Re: Turkey raising the stakes
« Reply #23 on: November 25, 2015, 12:42:23 PM »
Does anybody really still think it is a good idea for the UK to get involved after this latest debacle?

France is there (look where that got them), Russia is there, Turkey is there, the US, Israel (who knows what they are up to), Iran is involved. And they all have their own agendas that in most cases are more important to them than taking out ISIS. It's a flipping minefield!

Really! What good will it do for the UK to get involved?

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Re: Turkey raising the stakes
« Reply #24 on: November 25, 2015, 12:57:22 PM »
France is there (look where that got them)

It's actually the second time the French have "been there".  A bit of me wonders if the attacks in Paris were also a bit symbolic, given that they could have easily carried out the same style of attack in Brussels.

The French occupied Syria from the early twenties right up till 1946 and it wasn't a happy occupation for many, and I include the French in that.  There were several years of revolt resulting in thousands of casualties on both sides.

Anyway, it was just a thought...

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Re: Turkey raising the stakes
« Reply #25 on: November 25, 2015, 13:49:58 PM »
Last month the UK Government recorded its highest October deficit for 6 years. In the first half of the year the Chancellor had already borrowed £54.2billion out of his 12 month target of 69.5. He is at the moment up in the Commons on his hind legs announcing massive spending cuts across the board (except for pensioners and the NHS). What better time to throw a few billion pounds at intervening in a complex civil war, of which we have little or no understanding, and is probably a proxy war for fundamental hostility between Sunni and Shiite nations across the Middle East, joining with unreliable partners holding conflicting interests?

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Re: Turkey raising the stakes
« Reply #26 on: November 25, 2015, 14:31:27 PM »
Just seen this posted on the Trip Advisior forum by MorselAliet ( it's their first, and probably last, post ):

Greetings from Dresden, Germany. For me, my family and friends since now muslim Turkey is done. Totally done, I say! Last week fans of Turkey's national soccer team booed and cried out 'allahu akbar' during the moment of silence to honor the victims of Paris attack. Yesterday Turkish F-16 shot down the Russian jet that been delivering strikes against IS terrorists. One questions: since Turkey has openly demonstrated to the whole world on which side it stands in war on terrorism, why Turkey is still a member of NATO? Since yesterday Islamic State of Turkey is a branch of IS! FACT! Hope European tourists that are currently staying in Turkish seashores still have some time to leave Turkey before Erdogan will order to execute all infidels.

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Re: Turkey raising the stakes
« Reply #27 on: November 25, 2015, 15:28:36 PM »

  I've just watched the chancellors speech and didn't notice any hind legs. or massive spending cuts across the board.
  Perhaps I was watching the wrong channel.
  One of the Russian pilots, now back at his airbase in Syria, claims that they did not receive any warnings from Turkey.
  Putin is saying Reg ordered the shooting down because they were bombing the pipelines that ISIL were using to supply
  oil to Turkey. In any conflict the first casualty is always the truth. Putin is also saying he will pass on information about
  Turkey's "dealings".?


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Re: Turkey raising the stakes
« Reply #28 on: November 25, 2015, 16:36:24 PM »
What? They are telling us that they had time to give out ten warnings yet after all that they had no idea who's jet it was? So they shot it down anyway!

I find that very worrying if true.
Putin doesn't believe it to be true. Russia is calling the incident "planned provocation". It is also suggesting Turkey doesn't like it bombing oil pipelines delivering illegal oil to Turkey. Long way away from saying the plane was shot down by ground forces in Syria.

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Re: Turkey raising the stakes
« Reply #29 on: November 26, 2015, 00:15:46 AM »
I read that the warnings were given in the English language, what if the pilots do not speak English?




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