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Other Local Resorts & Areas => Ovacik Discussion Forum => Topic started by: Ovacikpeedoff on May 22, 2009, 22:42:28 PM

Title: Trying to get authority to enforce the law
Post by: Ovacikpeedoff on May 22, 2009, 22:42:28 PM: For 3 years i have been having this running battle with a bus company that has rented a house on our road and has turned the place into a bus station. I have complained to the Mayor;the Zabita and jandarma.

Initially a No parking sign was erected so I thought that would be the end of it. But no it is impossible to get anyone to ensure the no parking. The Zabita says it is the jandarma and the jandarma say it is the Zabita so the buses conyinue to park outside my door. They come and go at all hours.

I cannot find out who I need to bribe to get action.
Title: Trying to get authority to enforce the law
Post by: Crabbit on May 22, 2009, 22:51:30 PM: Did you introduce yourself to the mayor. 8)

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Title: Trying to get authority to enforce the law
Post by: Ovacikpeedoff on May 22, 2009, 23:01:06 PM: Yes I have been to see at least 8 times about the problem. Still gives me the same old crap I will speak to the Zabita. I have provided him with photos of the problem.
Title: Trying to get authority to enforce the law
Post by: Scunner on May 22, 2009, 23:04:22 PM: I think the question was posed because you came here ranting and didn't think to introduce yourself.
Title: Trying to get authority to enforce the law
Post by: Ovacikpeedoff on May 22, 2009, 23:20:57 PM: It is not a rant it is a statement of fact and frustration about trying to get authority to do something.
Title: Trying to get authority to enforce the law
Post by: karenr on May 22, 2009, 23:27:57 PM: Hi,
We have the same problem just down from the Sefa Motel by the second Mosque from H. People who live out there full time have complained. It looks like a coach park and they leave at all hours of the night!! There is one coach driver that has a little wooden chair and sits outside the bus with a mirror and has a shave on a morning. We have had 11 coaches there at most. It started off with one. I understand they have to pay to park up at the petrol station and other places they have had provided. There are plenty of places to officially park.....there just parking anywhere for free. I didnt mind one or two but 11 is not good. I understand and appreciate your frustration. Perhaps were talking about the same venue!!! or it just happens a lot more than we think. I know are problem was somewhere else and desended into our views.
Title: Trying to get authority to enforce the law
Post by: karenr on May 22, 2009, 23:31:44 PM: just noticed were not talking same venue....its obviously more common than I thought......hope you sort it. Its bad enough when I see it on our visits, think Id crumble if it was full time all the time like yourself.I wish you well
Title: Trying to get authority to enforce the law
Post by: Ovacikpeedoff on May 22, 2009, 23:38:22 PM: Hi
Yes we are talking about the same bus company.Last week when walking the dog one of the drivers was changing his trousers behind the bus. I have also seen them using it as a toilet. They have to pay at the petrol station. The mayors excuse is that the parking space at the petrol station is too small. It always has plenty of space. So why should any bus company pay for parking if they are allowed to do park anywhere providing it is not near a Nicholas estate for nothing.

If you would like to discuss further face to face I am sure we can arrange it. maybe a joint effort is needed.
Title: Trying to get authority to enforce the law
Post by: Old Daffodil on May 27, 2009, 15:13:06 PM: Why are this company allowed to park where they do and yet other coach companies have to use the coach park?

Does this mean that any business can come into the area and park coaches all over the roads?

Does this company pay any money to the local authorities for the right to park as they do? Who would be the person giving them the right to act in this way?
Title: Trying to get authority to enforce the law
Post by: brianthegardener on May 27, 2009, 17:09:50 PM: quote:
Originally posted by Daffodil

Why are this company allowed to park where they do and yet other coach companies have to use the coach park?

Does this mean that any business can come into the area and park coaches all over the roads?

Does this company pay any money to the local authorities for the right to park as they do? Who would be the person giving them the right to act in this way?

Have you thought of asking the Mayor these questions..im sure no one on this forum can answer them.[?]
Title: Trying to get authority to enforce the law
Post by: Old Daffodil on May 27, 2009, 20:32:03 PM: I understand the Mayor has been approached on numerous occasions and a petition was written and signed by both British and Turkish residents in the area and presented to him.

Very puzzled why it is still allowed. A company called Turser just seems to be able to do what it likes and park anywhere.
Title: Trying to get authority to enforce the law
Post by: Ovacikpeedoff on May 28, 2009, 09:49:10 AM: Daffodil is correct in that numerous attempts have been made and I have seen the Mayor with my Turkish naighbour at least 5 times. I do not know what hold they have on the local authority and the Mayor. What is even a bigger puzzle is that when we had the local elections in March Turser sent a bus to the Ovacik area that was used to canvas for the AK party and this is not the Mayors party.

Because I have been contacting the Zabita and the jandarma about this parking Turser tried to land me in trouble. They phoned the jandarma and said I damaged one of their buses on Saturday evening. I was taken off by the jandarma and questioned. When I asked for proof or could I see the damage I was told they did not have proof and it is assumed that I did it because I have not been happy with them parking in the streets. When i told the Jandarma is could not have been me because I was at the Calis carnival from late afternoon to midnight they became much more reasonable. One of the jandarma was very helpful and basicallly told me that I should stop fighting this parking as the company will get the drivers together to act as wirtnesses to say I did some damage and that I could finish up in big trouble with the law. He told me he will help me but it is a battle I cannot win.
Title: Trying to get authority to enforce the law
Post by: Crabbit on May 28, 2009, 18:55:15 PM: And he is correct, you won`t beat them, You are a foreigner, it is THEIR country, they can do what they like, you can do as you are told, or accept the consequences.

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Title: Trying to get authority to enforce the law
Post by: Ovacikpeedoff on May 28, 2009, 19:31:34 PM: I have given up. I have put my property up for sale.

So mob rule is acceptable behaviour and breaking the law is fine as long as it is a foreigner that is urinated on.

I would hope that the police and authority in the UK would treat a foreigner fairlyand enforce the law.
Title: Trying to get authority to enforce the law
Post by: tetmeister on May 28, 2009, 20:07:38 PM: Unfortunately,i think the politically correct police in our country would actually come down on the side of the foreigner in fear of upsetting some sect or other,or indeed be seen to be an " ist" of some sort.Why does everyone clamour to the UK shores,and why are so many brits avin it on there toes.At least here ,the Turkish people can be seen to be proud to be Turkish,and rightly so.To be seen to be proud to be British,oh no.Makes me sick.Dont envy your predicament,its fundamentally wrong.shame to have to sell up.
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Originally posted by Ovacikpeedoff

I have given up. I have put my property up for sale.

So mob rule is acceptable behaviour and breaking the law is fine as long as it is a foreigner that is urinated on.

I would hope that the police and authority in the UK would treat a foreigner fairlyand enforce the law.
Title: Trying to get authority to enforce the law
Post by: Ovacikpeedoff on May 28, 2009, 20:52:16 PM: This is going to be the last thing I will say on this matter. I live in a great part of Ovacik. I have more Turkish naighbours than British naighbours. We have a very nice community feeling and we get on really well.The locals have made us very welcome.I let their children use my pool during the summer. If I have a BBQ I will invite all my Turkish naighbours as well. Equally when they have Bayram they invite us and send us meat. It is not the local Turks that are causing this problem but a company that infests the area between May and October. The drivers for this company company come from other parts of the country and have no consideration fot the locals.They pay no taxes. The local Turkish people do not want them here either.

I will be sad leaving my very dear Turkish friends.
Title: Trying to get authority to enforce the law
Post by: marytheresa on May 29, 2009, 10:06:50 AM: have an idea!!! that may help email me ;)
Title: Trying to get authority to enforce the law
Post by: Scunner on May 29, 2009, 10:09:04 AM: Acme drawing pins? I saw it on telly
Title: Trying to get authority to enforce the law
Post by: marytheresa on May 29, 2009, 14:06:13 PM: lol not quite Keith :o the diplomatic route first for want of a better word :o:D
Title: Trying to get authority to enforce the law
Post by: karenr on May 29, 2009, 17:07:40 PM: quote:
Originally posted by Ovacikpeedoff

Hi
Yes we are talking about the same bus company.Last week when walking the dog one of the drivers was changing his trousers behind the bus. I have also seen them using it as a toilet. They have to pay at the petrol station. The mayors excuse is that the parking space at the petrol station is too small. It always has plenty of space. So why should any bus company pay for parking if they are allowed to do park anywhere providing it is not near a Nicholas estate for nothing.

If you would like to discuss further face to face I am sure we can arrange it. maybe a joint effort is needed.

Ill PM you
Title: Trying to get authority to enforce the law
Post by: karenr on May 29, 2009, 17:09:46 PM: Struggling to dp the PM. Please contact me. I believe my email is in my details.:D
Title: Trying to get authority to enforce the law
Post by: marytheresa on May 29, 2009, 17:34:58 PM: Just mailed you :)
Title: Trying to get authority to enforce the law
Post by: simpsons on May 29, 2009, 17:56:40 PM: Quote
Originally posted by Crabbit

And he is correct, you won`t beat them, You are a foreigner, it is THEIR country, they can do what they like, you can do as you are told, or accept the consequences.

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What these people seem to forget is that it is mainly foreign money and tourism that built this town. If it was not for holiday makers and Ex Pats, where would the average turkish person in these resorts be? I think the authorities need to treat Ex Pats and holiday makers with a bit more respect, as we are paying their wages. That's my beef.
Title: Trying to get authority to enforce the law
Post by: karenr on May 29, 2009, 18:08:47 PM: Thank you Mary.I have emailed you and linked in Gerry..fingers crossed.... your a star...bless you x
Title: Trying to get authority to enforce the law
Post by: Crabbit on May 29, 2009, 19:14:40 PM: quote:
Originally posted by simpsons

What these people seem to forget is that it is mainly foreign money and tourism that built this town. If it was not for holiday makers and Ex Pats, where would the average turkish person in these resorts be? I think the authorities need to treat Ex Pats and holiday makers with a bit more respect, as we are paying their wages. That's my beef.

Do you honestly believe that they care what you or any non-turk thinks.

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Title: Trying to get authority to enforce the law
Post by: Scunner on May 29, 2009, 19:25:27 PM: I saw something similar in the UK but with lorries parking overnight outside people's homes. In that case they weren't breaking the law but it was obviously causing problems to the residents of the road. What they did was park their cars on the road in such a way that they were legally parked, easy enough for cars to weave through but a real pain for lorries to negotiate. The lorries soon found another street to park up in for the night.
Title: Trying to get authority to enforce the law
Post by: karenr on May 29, 2009, 19:50:34 PM: quote:
Originally posted by Crabbit

quote:
Originally posted by simpsons

What these people seem to forget is that it is mainly foreign money and tourism that built this town. If it was not for holiday makers and Ex Pats, where would the average turkish person in these resorts be? I think the authorities need to treat Ex Pats and holiday makers with a bit more respect, as we are paying their wages. That's my beef.

Do you honestly believe that they care what you or any non-turk thinks.

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Any thing is worth a try. Im not nieve enougth to think non Turks will be listened to, no different to a minority of complainers from a different country back here. At the same time we are not as dependant on tourism so I hope this may help. If not sounds like I will have to hire a tank and block them all in He...he
Title: Trying to get authority to enforce the law
Post by: marytheresa on May 29, 2009, 20:16:16 PM: Well Simpson and Crabbit a little more faith!!:D
Title: Trying to get authority to enforce the law
Post by: Ovacikpeedoff on June 13, 2009, 22:41:15 PM: At last a minor result. Two Traffik Jandarma that were on duty in Hisaranou gave me a parking ticket and after having had a moan they came up to my villa and issued 5 parking tickets to buses that were parked illegally. They have promised to come back in a few days and take more action where necessary.

Another trip to the mayor with a petition signed by 30 people proved to be a waste of time. I am sending a copy to the Governor in Mugla. A friend of a friend who is a Turkish Lawyer has advised me to send it to the Tourist ministry. He reckons the ministry will take it very seriously as it could impact on Turkish tourism and they may be concerned that we 30 could take it to the UK press.
Title: Trying to get authority to enforce the law
Post by: Bouncer on June 13, 2009, 23:22:49 PM: i wish you would spell Hisaronu correctly,you live there.
Bloody foreigners!!!!!!!!
Title: Trying to get authority to enforce the law
Post by: Scunner on June 13, 2009, 23:32:49 PM: No he doesn't, he lives in Overchick.
Title: Trying to get authority to enforce the law
Post by: Bouncer on June 13, 2009, 23:39:16 PM: I knew that was coming.......
Title: Trying to get authority to enforce the law
Post by: Ovacikpeedoff on June 14, 2009, 14:12:16 PM: Bouncer you are such a smart ass. Who is Rinaldo or did you mean Ronaldo. Remember about people in glass houses.