Calis Beach and Fethiye Turkey Discussion Forum
Other Local Resorts & Areas => Fethiye Turkey Discussion Forum => Topic started by: miaspyro on August 26, 2007, 18:58:40 PM
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That got you all wondering didn't it? I do of course refer to the ever growing piles of hard core which are appearing at the bottom of the valley Could this be the beginning of the hoped for road or further supplies for the famed viewpoint. Watch this space. Mia
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Hi Mia
When we were out they were working on the storm drains. This should take a few more weeks to finish but in theory can then start to lay the roads.
With regards to The Viewpoint I would not buy there until the lift up to aparts and cable car to fethiye are finished (and I was sure that power cuts were not going to leave me stranded in a glass cable car with temperatures of 40+ degrees in July!) Turkish time... I guess another 20 years.
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The hard core has been laid on the lower part of the road, and stops just before the old Turkish houses on the middle road. Is this the beginning of "THE ROAD" or is it all a dream. All storm drains in now well as far as i can see, piles of dirt where they surface. Not sure about living at view point, it is a long way up with no electric, i wonder if anyone has thought of using solar powered generators, or water powered as they do on the south coast of England?
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A water powered cable car...there's a thought. :D
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Love the name of this topic! Equally love the content of the topic, the thought of a road is just too much! Thanks for keping us informed. Never thought about the cable car/electricity issue at viewpoint, another thing to keep in mind is if it's windy out- i was once stuck in a ski lift in France with 60 others for 90 minutes due to high winds. Not a great experience but thanskfully it seemed to be windy out and not in!
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hi there.just back from Deliktas.so depressing to be back in this sh***y weather.had a fabulous time but didn't see any of you lot.tried to find you Maria,I know you are near me somewhere.you're right about the piles of gravel.Everyday it all seemed to change position.I think there is a muck fairy at work in the night!!!!!!!!!The viewpoint is coming along now isn't it?still a bit noisy though.Had builders in the appt AGAIN while we were there.Jackhammrs this time.Taken 3 ft off basement walls all round and replaced plaster with some mould free stuff(HA,we'll see).never a dull moment in Turkey!!!!!
Went up to Green Valley bar a few times.got a lovely welcome off Ayan and Adam the chef.lovely appts,very tidy and clean.
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hi Happy they have or had them in Hastings and Folkstone, both built in Victorian era i think. So as you can tell up to date technology, still they have been working a while.
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Hi Amanda, it is lousy to be back, I've been moisturising like mad to try and keep my tan but there is no doubt that when I go back to school(work) on Monday I will look as pale and interesting as always! Glad you went to GV and were warmly welcomed, sorry to here that you had to have workmen in takes the edge off of a holiday! My inlaws are at our place in GV complex at the mo. Just waiting for them to remember to switch on their mobile to catch up with the news and here whose house they have been drinking coffee in this time!
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Thanks for keeping an eye on developments Mia. Amanda - tried calling the number that you sent me when we arrived in Fethiye but no luck. Schools go back next week so all you lucky teachers who spent 3+ weeks in Turkey (my wife Angela is one) are all going to get a bit of a reality shock now!
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sorry to have missed you Doug.maybe next time.Had a fabulous hols this time and like you say,there will be a hell of a come down on wednesday when i go back to work.chin up Angela!!!
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I think it is safe to say that the excitment of the road has come to an end. The hardcore was spread over the road at the bottom and nothing else appeared, so you see it was just all a dream. Mia
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oh how disappointing not not too much of a surprise though. For now we will dream of being able to walk down the roads without mud flicking on our clothes from our flip flops. One day I am sure we will have a road.I still love it road or no road.
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we have diggers everywhere, steam rollers, could i have been wrong, is it going to happen or as my freind said are we have an important visitor!!!!!!
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keep us posted maria.you are the eyes and ears of Deliktas.
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brilliant, I hope they are not just parked up but they are actually going to do something with them. Thanks for keeping us uptodate (http://www.clicksmilies.com/s1106/alles_moegliche/mixed-smiley-012.gif)
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cable car to fethiye.... ??????
i do not know how you came on that idea... the cable car will be purely for the viewpoint complex residence, within the complex...
july, 40 degrees, powercut!!!!! have you ever heared about a machine called generator...???
i hope that you do more research before you start sharing your opinions and not acting on behalf of gossips and rumours...
sorry that i am a bit silly on this... but i know the constuction company who is building that complex since i am a child...
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Originally posted by HappyMonday
Hi Mia
When we were out they were working on the storm drains. This should take a few more weeks to finish but in theory can then start to lay the roads.
With regards to The Viewpoint I would not buy there until the lift up to aparts and cable car to fethiye are finished (and I was sure that power cuts were not going to leave me stranded in a glass cable car with temperatures of 40+ degrees in July!) Turkish time... I guess another 20 years.
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Thanks for your point of view Odoganay. I think many of us have heard many promises from many different people, developers and government 'officials' in the past and have heard it all before. The proof will be seeing it all up and running. Several of us have places close to the Viewpoint and my own personal recommendation to anyone thinking of buying there would be: DON'T UNTIL EVERYTHING IS COMPLETED. The slope is so steep that until lifts, cable cars or whatever are built it makes them unrentable for all but the alpine climbing community. This is a Forum, not mean't to upset but share views. These are mine and I stand by them. It have taken nearly 4 years to get tarmac roads built in the area and I have avoided renting my place out as a result of this.
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I'm with happymonday on this one; what better research can we all have done than to buy here discover first hand if, the dolmus is going to come up here or the space in front of us won't be built on or the facilities in the complex will definitely be up and running and so on. Your generosity in sharing your research findings should be applauded. Should the Viewpoint be as good as their word then no one has anything to worry about, everything will be in place and individuals will be free to buy when they can see everything is there. Who knows what obstacles might be placed in the way of the company some of them beyond their control. On balance it would, in my opinion, always be best to see a finished project and a finished environment and anyone who is thinking of buying prior to that will be taking a risk and given the recent jitters here in GB over money, debt and even the solvency of banks I anticipate we might quite properly see a lot many more risk averse purchasers and who can blame them. Or put more simply caveat emptor.
PS lets hope the pick pick has stopped I want a lie in next week!
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Odoganay - what more research do you suggest? I have spent many an hour hanging in a cable car on ski holidays where cable cars are the crux of the buisness without them no tourists- it does happen on a regular basis and in the same way as 40 degree temps may be an issue so are -10 degree temps. This is not just about power cuts but also about wind which can affect the running of the cable cars and regular maintenance, it wasn't something that I had thought about until I read it on the forum and it made me think - it is one thing to negotiate a few pot holes to get into town - it is another to be hanging around literally waiting for the issue to be sorted.
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pot holes!!!!!!!ha
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Hi Odoganay. You are right in what you say about the cable car. Not to Fethiye but rather, up the hill. Apologies for any confusion.
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Originally posted by thebillet
I'm with happymonday on this one; what better research can we all have done than to buy here discover first hand if, the dolmus is going to come up here or the space in front of us won't be built on or the facilities in the complex will definitely be up and running and so on. Your generosity in sharing your research findings should be applauded. Should the Viewpoint be as good as their word then no one has anything to worry about, everything will be in place and individuals will be free to buy when they can see everything is there. Who knows what obstacles might be placed in the way of the company some of them beyond their control. On balance it would, in my opinion, always be best to see a finished project and a finished environment and anyone who is thinking of buying prior to that will be taking a risk and given the recent jitters here in GB over money, debt and even the solvency of banks I anticipate we might quite properly see a lot many more risk averse purchasers and who can blame them. Or put more simply caveat emptor.
PS lets hope the pick pick has stopped I want a lie in next week!
Totally agree with yours and Doug,s comments.
It is clear that in Turkey things change on the wind from month to month and you cannot rely at all on so called promises related to property.
At Forest Hills the proposed shop and bar in the original advertising material has never materialised and properties spring up in the most cramped areas after assurances of stunning views.
Road building schedules change from week to week as do completion dates etc etc so I would not entertain buying off plan as the plans dont mean anything really.
Forums like this one give the real insight into true situations and I no longer believe sales brochures and pitches in advance.
We love it at Forest Hills but forums like this really open your eyes to actuality as opposed to fantasy.
There is no way anybody would be able to rent a property whilst the roads and works are in the state they are with no public transport etc.
Our agents are even reluctant to drive up the valley due to vehicle damage and the clouds of dust around so the fussy rental market has no chance until the valley is updated. The phrase "excellent rental potential" is ludicrous until building stops and the roads and facilities are in.
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I think the area does have excellent rental potential even in the state it is now. I think honesty is the best policy- I have always been upfront with potential renters in letting them know the state of the roads the amount of building going on in the area etc etc. If they decide not to rent from me then I am rather glad as clearly they were not happy and the last thing I want is unhappy renters especially if they come back and start complaining. I do agree however that their is a huge risk buying off plan- whilst the financial gain can be large, it can be difficult to sort out the advertising from the actual facts regarding what is actually going to be in place. Those who buy when the build is complete and up and running will most likely pay more, however, they get a more accurate picture of what they are buying.
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Originally posted by Gorgeous_bird
I think the area does have excellent rental potential even in the state it is now. I think honesty is the best policy- I have always been upfront with potential renters in letting them know the state of the roads the amount of building going on in the area etc etc. If they decide not to rent from me then I am rather glad as clearly they were not happy and the last thing I want is unhappy renters especially if they come back and start complaining. I do agree however that their is a huge risk buying off plan- whilst the financial gain can be large, it can be difficult to sort out the advertising from the actual facts regarding what is actually going to be in place. Those who buy when the build is complete and up and running will most likely pay more, however, they get a more accurate picture of what they are buying.
It is interesting to read you have no problem renting in the current state because its apparently a saturated market with hundreds of rental apartments available and when you look at their availability on websites they always have loads of free space throughout the year.
Renters on forums currently paint gloomy pictures of a dead business due to the competition from all inclusive deals and hotels.
Furthermore the rental market is extremely picky and prefers pristine views with luxury villas on top of the beach. I wouldnt have thought a valley 2 miles back from Fethiye would appeal at all bearing in mind there is the added competition along the top road in Ovacik and Hisaronu with loads of apartments also up for rent
Your comments provided some optimism but I think the income you get from renting doesnt equate with the hassle,advertising costs,transfers,cleaning costs,damage risks,tax liability etc etc and therefore we have decided not to bother even trying like many others in our position.
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From the adverts it sounds expensive anyway - £41k for a 1 bed apart ?!!!!!
My advice, wherever you buy, buy in winter when everyone is skint - Jan/Feb/Mar.
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telsoo - just to clarify I didn't say that I rented out regularly I simply said that I felt the area did have excellent renting potential and that I was always honest with potential renters about the conditions. We bought our place without the intention of renting out but from time to time we do. The area will certainly not appeal to all but that is where it pays to be honest in giving an accurate picture. Sorry for any confusion and any false hope given to renters!
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Hi Terry. Some interesting comments that you make. I did some maths recently (always a dangerous thing) and after all charges, upkeep, marketing, bills etc and based on a realistic rental period most apartments in the areas around Fethiye can probably make £2000-£3000 per annum in rent. However, for all but the cheapest properties this is unlikely to cover a mortgage. The way things are at the moment it is great if you want to live there (all areas) but as prices are flat at the moment - not so good as an investment supplemented by rental.
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Originally posted by Gorgeous_bird
telsoo - just to clarify I didn't say that I rented out regularly I simply said that I felt the area did have excellent renting potential and that I was always honest with potential renters about the conditions. We bought our place without the intention of renting out but from time to time we do. The area will certainly not appeal to all but that is where it pays to be honest in giving an accurate picture. Sorry for any confusion and any false hope given to renters!
No apology needed
Your advice is always helpful and its your personal experience which adds to our knowledge overall
Take care
Hi Doug
Interesting figure and just not worth bothering for £3k a year by the time you pay costs and tax.
We were showered with "rental potential" quotes when we bought but when you look at the figures and the risks involving what is after all your 2nd home,it seems pointless.
I admire those who make it work but we are so fussy now about our place that we cannot imagine allowing strangers to live in it.
When we first bought it,our agents offered us a years rental with own white goods to a Turkish family for £2k and thought it was a good deal for Turkey but tying your 2nd home up for a whole year with damage risks for probably a net £1500 was not for us. I know it stays empty for much of the year and we have deprived a native family of accommodation but you cant put a price on being able to nip over when you like to your home.
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Hi Terry. Tend to agree and we have steered clear of renting to date for the same reasons although thinking of doing so for peak weeks next Summer. Are you both out in October. We are out on 23rd for a week and it would be good to meet.
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Originally posted by HappyMonday
Hi Terry. Tend to agree and we have steered clear of renting to date for the same reasons although thinking of doing so for peak weeks next Summer. Are you both out in October. We are out on 23rd for a week and it would be good to meet.
Just back from States and having work done on UK house so money tight haha
Next May now and new roads yippee !!!
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Just got back from Green Valley guys - and there are heaps of white hardcore in the middle of the roads now!!! It is all piled up in a long heap - the full length of the roads - and flattened on the top! we are getting there!!!
Driving is almost an impossibility though - even the Taxi Drivers are cussing!
With regards to your comments on the rental thing - thank god we don't need to rent out - or want to rent out - seems like too much hassle to me!
Our place is locked up for 48 weeks of the year - and we like it that way!
We have had so many problems with fellow owners renting out their properties - which has caused a certain amount of grief to other owners it is untrue. We have had "renters" diving off the barriers between the kids pool and the adult pool - owners had their locks filled with "chewing Gum" - rubbish left for days in the stair wells - causing problems for owners in that particular block. Chewing gum was also stuck on sun beds and other communal facilities...... music being played very loadly late at night.
We have now had signs put up in the complex - certain rules which we expect all to live by - thus respecting other owners and renters!
This has caused ill feeling between owners - as the owner who was renting out - having made financial gain - has left other owners there - who are their neighbours !!! with a financial loss!!!!!!
We seem to have had a family from hell renting out from one of our neighbours recently who mistook Tasayaka - which is a beautiful up and coming place for the lesser (and I need to be careful here so as not to upset anyone) 5* areas like Be**d*rm, B*ack**l, Ma*m**is ......!!!!!!!
We have also heard that one of the owners there - contacted a few of the other owners - to sub let (at a charge!) for a group of american wife swappers!!!! We have been told that this is true - but apparently they cancelled last minute! Who knows - fact or fiction!!!!!!!!
Our place is turning into Eldorado - seriously! We have to laugh at the goings on - I am seriously thinking about writing a book! hahahahaha
We have heard of other "goings on" of a certain nature - where apparently video evidence is available ...... but I think this is fabricated - and has been exaggerated to make it sound better .... but it would make good reading in my book hahahahahahahahahahahahaha
Jackie Collins - eat your heart out .........
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That is a problem - how do you know what your renters are going to be like, the world is made up of all sorts of people and they may not have your standards. Personally I would be asking the owner whose guests damaged my lock for some contribution to any financial loss and as the owner of the rented apartment I would have been deducting that from the security deposit. I am sure he would be understanding. As for subletting that is no different to any of the villa rental companies who advertise properties and find potential renters for you without you having to go to the hasssle of doing it all yourself. We certainly had not heard the wife swap story,we heard a party of American and Iranian's over for a wedding. Shame though my husband says he needed a drill for a few days whilst we were out there. LOL!
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ooooh Kirby.sounds like fun at your place.have you got ayans e mail by the way.need to contact him?
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Hi Amanda - yeah I have Ayhans email address - but he is a sod for not replying! hahahaha. I had a little chat with him this time - and I said he should email back - and he laughed - bless him. I will have to email him to see if he is in agreeance with you having his email address - does he know you by any particular name - and where you are? As you know him - he obviously must know you? Hope you can understand that I cannot just hand out Ayhans personal email address without his permission!
If need be - please send me a PM.
Thanks Amanda,
Carole x
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With regards to the rental problems at our place - this is the sort of thing I dare say we will be coming across occasionally! I know (and for obvious reasons cannot name names) that this time the particular owner had renters in - and they were lovely. Very quiet people - and kept themselves very much to themselves! I just think that we should strive to keep a certain standard there at GV - to make sure everyone is happy! And that certain 'rules' (if that is the correct term of phrase) should be lived by (by owners and renters)to ensure no-one is 'upset' by disruptive behaviour. I think that the persons who were affected will be taking it up with the owner who had the renters from hell in - but that is up to them to sort out. It did not affect us personally - but rest assured - if it did - I would have been in touch well before now.
With regards to the wife swap story - Ayhan can tell you all about it!!!! He did us!!!! hahahahahaha
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and I think that is the point, it all depends on what he tells and to who, he plays a little game, he told us a wedding party and he tells you a wife swap group. He plays games looking for reactions all the time.
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Hi Abby,
Sorry for late reply - as I have been in Spain! Visiting two very good friends who decided to emigrate there a few years ago.
Ayhan is a darling isn't he? We have found him out in a few things bless him! But I do believe that this was the case - as he asked another owner to act as his wife - in case there was someone in the 'party' he fancied and he could swap her!!!! hahahahahahahaha! You know the owner Abby - by cannot name names for obvious reasons! We laffed about it as she was in complete shock!!!! Ayhan just kept smiling - all the time. I am sure your in laws were told the story.
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Hope you had a good time in Spain.The renter said wedding party so I am not sure where swingers comes into it. Anyway they didn't stay so it doesn't matter.
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Oh right hahahahahahaha - say no more!!!! We are talking Ayhan here are we not....?
Had a great time in Spain - but so glad we bought at Green Valley you know!!! Their villa is lovely - but they are all on top of one another - worse - much worse than we have in Deliktas !! seriously !!! And they have so many problems there with break ins and petty theft - they even break in whilst the owners are on the property!!! And what makes it sadder is that 50% of the crime is done by Brits !!! The rest is by Morroccans and Spaniards and other nationalities! Everybody - and I mean everybody has the bars on the windows - even 3 floors up - and alarms!!!!!!! It is awful!!!! So so sad Abby.
I just hope that Turkey does not get like that! i know we have problems there - and we know about that - BUT there is nothing like over there ....
Our friends have their own business over there - in Hardware - and you know - they do a roaring trade!!!!! mainly locks, Safes, Alarms and associated items ..... and as they are Brits - they are open all day - no siesta... and the Brits over there love the trading hours ... and the fact they can speak english!
I will take what Ayhan says now then with a pinch of salt!!! lol x
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hey kirby,are you over next may half term or august at all?