Calis Beach and Fethiye Turkey Discussion Forum
Information and Services in Turkey Section => Health & Healthcare => Topic started by: sannyrut on January 23, 2007, 13:10:47 PM
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Can members please advise whether MRSA is also in Turkiye?I learned that a friend who works with my wife,had a neighbour,who had a cancerous prostate removed.He survived the operation,but died within a week of MRSA.He was 70 yrs of age,and was operated on,in a hosiptal in Scotland.
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Yes, MRSA is also found in Turkey.
JF
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Staphylococcus aureus is found on many individuals skin and seems to cause no major problems. However if it gets inside the body, for instance under the skin or into the lungs, it can cause important infections such as boils or pneumonia. Individuals who carry this organism are usually totally healthy, have no problems whatever and are considered simply to be carriers of the organism.
The term MRSA or methicillin resistant Staphylococcus aureus is used to describe those examples of this organism that are resistant to commonly used antibiotics. Methicillin was an antibiotic used many years ago to treat patients with Staphylococcus aureus infections. It is now no longer used except as a means of identifying this particular type of antibiotic resistance.
Individuals can become carriers of MRSA in the same way that they can become a carrier of ordinary Staphylococcus aureus which is by physical contact with the organism. If the organism is on the skin then it can be passed around by physical contact. If the organism is in the nose or is associated with the lungs rather than the skin then it may be passed around by droplet spread from the mouth and nose.
IN OTHER WORDS - Yes, Staph Aureas is present in ALL countries. You've possibly got some on you as you sit here typing. However whether you get internal organs infected depends on whether at the particular hospital you are in their cleaning & sterilisation is up to par & whether they use proper aseptic techniques when you're being operated on.
It's our own fault for taking too many antibiotics & insisting on them at docs when they are really NOT needed & don't do anything to help the infection we may have.
I used to take antibiotics at least 3 times a year for septic throats UNTIL some kind person told me about Bee Propalis capsules - a NATURAL antibiotic from bee hives. Not had a really bad strep throat that hasn't gone within days since, no more tonsils swollen up so bad I can't swallow. I suffered from age 13-45 at least 3 times a year. YES - I suffered from the same Staph Aureas that has become resistant to antibiotics through mutation. Now it's Bee propalis or zapping for me. Hopefully then if I did get the nasty kind the antibiotics might work better. I also think the hospitals should look at zapping the bug, it makes sense to me.
Zapping - every organism/organ resonates at a different level. If you zap you send different frequencies through the body to eliminate the bad organisms - there has been much work done on this & many frequencies have been found & used many, many times.
Think of it like an opera singer - if they can hit a certain note a glass shatters as that is the frequency the glass resonates at.
Each microrganism has its own frequency therefore zap the body with the correct frequency & the organism explodes, implodes & cannot reproduce etc. Think of other infected cells in the body - find the right frequency & you can kill off the bad cells. There has been a great deal of research done on this & some claim astounding results but the medical establishment are so stuck on invasive treatments & won't look outside the box. Some will - but they are very few & far between. Hopefully as more docs. find this & experiment with it it'll eventually become more common to try this alongside conventional treament.
Off my soap box now - It's something I feel VERY strongly about.
If you meant have there been cases in hospitals - I haven't heard of any BUT then again don't they really hush it up here too. I personally knew of 2 people who died from it & nothing in the papers here about any outbreak at the hospital concerned.
Linda
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"the old adage that doctor bury their mistakes" seems to be true
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If you meant have there been cases in hospitals - I haven't heard of any BUT then again don't they really hush it up here too. I personally knew of 2 people who died from it & nothing in the papers here about any outbreak at the hospital concerned.
I was meaning in hospitals.
Just did a quick search of BioMed, an online academic journal, and came up with several papers relating to MRSA in Turkish hospitals. The administration may very well hush it up, but the clinicians are busy beavering away writing articles about it. From what I can see, it's no different to any country in respect of nosocomial infections.
JF
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MRSA is in every hospital because it is in every community. As Linda has said healthy people carry it. My take is that Turkey hospitals appear to be much cleaner than UK hospitals (though there will be exceptions) so no need to be unduly worried.
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Originally posted by lindacarl
IN OTHER WORDS - Yes, Staph Aureas is present in ALL countries. You've possibly got some on you as you sit here typing. However whether you get internal organs infected depends on whether at the particular hospital you are in their cleaning & sterilisation is up to par & whether they use proper aseptic techniques when you're being operated on.
I recently accompanied a gentleman to hospital and noticed that at the door of every ward there was an antiseptic spray for hand use before entering the ward. The doctors and nurses appeared to have been issued with them as well.
As a patient you have the right to tell a member of staff to wash their hands if you see that it has not been done.
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Heather
This should have been happening for many years in ALL wards. Every visitor & nurse/doctor should use.
I've often watched nurses/assistants washing their hands & often they were NOT washing them properly. If staff don't know how to wash properly or don't bother washing properly then I'm not surprised we have problems.
When Carl was in hospital here in the UK 2 years back there was urine from a full leaking bag on an unconscious patient all over the floor. I went & told the staff. It was 2 hrs & 2 tellings later that they changed the bag but the floor was still not cleaned. I was totally horrified - you know how warm they keep the wards.
Carl was supposed to be monitored as he kept frequently blacking out & stopping breathing but in the end I stayed with him as nurses were nowhere to be seen - all chatting in a room away from the patients. Wrong medication was given which enhanced the problem & it was only because we checked the medication that it was noticed.
I was in Esnaf for a day & at least the nurses appear almost immediately you press the buzzer. It certainly looked far cleaner than most UK hospitals I've been in.
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In respect of using anti bacterial spray or soap there is another argument which goes along the lines that the more it is used the more it undermines our own defences and our own resistance to germs; and that the bugs also get super resistant so I think the advice is use such products sparingly and not routinely. At least that is what I been told by infection control nurses.
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Stuart - That is total bull.... The antibacterial spray is to KILL the bugs so you don't pass them onto the patient. As an ex microbiologist I am amazed that nurses who should know MUCH better can spout such total rubbish.
It's like saying -'Never wipe down your kitchen worksurfaces' as dirty kitchens are good for you, as your defences are heightened & your resistance to germs will increase.
TOTAL & UTTER TWADDLE!
Bloody hell - it's totally frightening that nurses who should know much better are spouting this complete & utter bull...t - no wonder MRSA is so rife here. Maybe they are just too bloody lazy to do it? As I said many nurses do NOT wash their hands properly - maybe training is very, very lacking.
What hospital do they work in? - I'd avoid it like the plague. Possibly the next plague could originate there.
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But don't they say the same about the increasing use of antibiotics is harming our own defenses so that is why they don't like prescribing them? Also it is said that the use of rat poison is producing super rats immuned to the poisoning effects.
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Yes - but that's got NOTHING whatsoever to do with using an external antibacterial spray so patients don't die of MRSA bacteria which is possibly/probably on the skin of nurses & visitors.
I'm just TOTALLY & utterly appalled that so called infection control nurses could be so very, very ignorant & pass their misguided totally wrong information onto others. I'd report them immediately (as I did when I saw the uncleared urine on the floor when Carl was in.) & I'm being serious about that as when even infection control nurses get it totally wrong then they open the doors to serious infections of MRSA on many patients.
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i did not want to really get involved in this discussion,but the hospitel i work in has all the procedure in force for the bug MRSA ,and all anti-bacteria gel is on the door to the wards and everyone must use it and if they don't they are reported regardless of position,i agree with what lindacarl says and it is very hard to get rid of as we carry it,so hopefully all patients if they can will ask the doctor/nurse if they have used the gel or can they use it in front of the patient before they are touched this reassure the patient, i know that we have increased the cleaning schedules on each ward by taking on more domestics and we have a team that goes round each ward inspecting the cleanest of the bays and they do report back any problems.
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Linda - take it easy!
The advice given was that the increased use by individuals of bacterial spray, alcohol gels and other products designed to kill germs might be producing super bugs; because bugs want to survive and they adapt - and that the spread of MRSA is a bit like this. The nurse was not saying not to use the products in hospital, but merely saying when used, they need to be properly targeted and applied.
It is interesting why people in occupations where one might find a lot of bugs don't all drop down dead but people who live very sanitised lives catch quite a lot of germs. Why are we more susceptible to disease; yet we have higher standards of sanitation and personal cleaning, with a products allegedly made to kill all known germs!
The other issue about the spread of MRSA in hospitals is the proximity of beds. The closer they are the more likely of cross infection. I don't know if hospital in Turkey have beds as close as in UK hospitals but it wouldn't surprise me if they were not.
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What can I say,apart from thank you,(but no arguments please),to members who contributed to this topic.I did read in a newspaper,think it was last week(Daily Mail)that if you are an in-patient,you should have a shower/bath,before visiting time,and put on clean clothes.Also ask visitors NOT to sit on your bed,but before that,make sure they have used the gel at the room door.Same applies to all staff who may have to examine you. :)
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But we now have the new one - C.... difficile! Lethal!
(I can never remember the proper name!)
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Originally posted by puma
can they use it in front of the patient before they are torched
Setting fire to patients seems a bit drastic. :D
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LOL one way to get the bed shortage solved
been corrected before i get the sack
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Stuart
The nurses have STILL got it totally wrong. The hand wash/sanitisers/alcohol rubs etc. KILL the bug - whether the bug be super duper or whatever? They ain't going to mutate as they are dead, they've gone to meet their maker, deceased, shuffled off their coil or their cell wall has ruptured.
The nurses have no idea what they are talking about. From their statement the dead bacteria are reacting to being killed by communicating somehow to other bacteria in the vicinity saying 'mutate, mutate'
Super bugs come about when LIVE (not dead) bacteria inhabit us. We take antibiotics & they mutate so they are resistant. You might get many multibillions of mutations before just one cell is immune to the antibiotic. It might never happen but obviously did at some stage in the case of MRSA.
Super hygeine is ESSENTIAL so that already vulnerable ill patients with lowered immune systems don't get it transfered from other patients/nurses hands. It's not just MRSA there are millions of bacteria which might mutate into something more serious eg. e. coli, salmonella etc. The hand wipe KILLS them all.
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Linda - you write with feeling and some knowledge - but that still doesn't fully explain why some bugs get resistant to the poisons we throw at them. Of course many do get killed off but like us they are programmed to survive and reproduce. In other words they try to outsmart us. I think you are assuming all bacteria will be killed off!
I am not one for blaming medical staff for people dying in hospital or getting infections. This is because I feel as a society we can too easily get in to the victim role. There no such thing as perfect health and no such thing as perfect health care - only people wanting to be healthier and people wanting to achieve this goal by the work they do. The recent phenomena of "lets blame someone" doesn't help people very much. It is destructive and costly and it puts people off from working in the caring professions.
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If the hand wash/alcohol is used properly Stuart then ALL bacteria will be killed off, their cell walls will collapse, shrink, whatever. Unfortunately people don't use it properly they miss deep down between their fingers & their nails. However it's better to use & at least kill most bacteria than go into a ward covered in bacteria & yes you will be covered as all you need to do is touch any surface - door handles are really bad - to pick up more bacteria.
The bacterias resistance to antibiotics - which I suppose you mean by poison- is because they have mutated so the antibiotic won't work on them these mutated bactera are also on everything we touch.
You can fit billions of bacteria on a pinhead - they are single cells.
To enable you to see if a room surface is contaminated you have to grow the bacteria for at least 3 days usually 5 until so many bacteria (billions or zillions) have been reproduced that you can visually see them on an agar plate.
Consider the fact that 1 bacteria becomes 2 in say 20mins, 2 become 4 in 40min, 4 become 8 in 1 hr.
In 2 hrs you have 64 bacteria, in 3 hrs 512, 4hrs 4096, 5hrs 32,768 in under 7 hrs the 1 bacteria you started will have become 2 million et. etc. Any one of the splitting of any of these bacteria into 2 could result in a mutation which is resistant to antibiotics. It's a wonder really why we don't have more bacteria that are resistant.
Trust me we used to check whether people in the sterile dept. were washing & using proper aseptic techniques. If handwash is used properly very few if any (for those with the better technique) bacteria will grow on the agar plate. If it's notr used or used incorrectly a mass of bacteria will grow.
They haven't got a brain Stuart so they're not trying to outsmart us. They're just trying to divide & grow but sometimes it doesn;t happen properly & they don't make an exact copy of themselves. This is the mutation. Millions of the mutated bacteria are harmless but just 1 might be harmful to us - as in the casr of MRSA.
If it were your partner that caught MRSA & died from bad working practices that shouldn't have been allowed to continue - you wouldn't blame anyone?
Ignorance & bad working practices is why MRSA is so rampant. Cross contamination is rampant because the standards in many hospitals have slipped.
Can you imagine a matron from years ago allowing rooms to get into a filthy state as so many hospital rooms are? - not all I grant you.
You might not blame the ignorance of the nurses but I was totally horrified that ANY basic nursing auxilliary let alone infection control nurses could spout such utter garbage.
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I can truly say Stuart, when people complain about the care they receive, 99 times out of 100 it is on the basis of "I don't want it to happen to anyone else". Money is not an issue.
I would certainly feel the same.
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Lynne that may be the case but the are many examples where people complain because someone died - as if death is avoidable. As a society all too soon we easily forget how skillful and courageous doctors, nurses, other medical staff including researchers are. For every procedure carried out, someone did it first. The courage that must take when doing say a heart transplant, or face transplant or trialling a new drug is beyond question. The insertion of stents into arteries to unblock them, which I am told is now the most common medical procedure performed in hospitals, was first tested by its inventor on himself. Of course mistakes are made but for me the question is what is the best way of learning from them. I am not convinced that naming, shaming, blaming staff is the best way forward. The other issue is that people sometimes expect paid carers/medics to care better for their family member than they themselves cared for them. I have seen many examples of people feeling so guilty about this that their way of coping has been to blame the hospital staff for the persons condition when in truth they themselves contributed to it, or ignored it. The increase in the number of nurses and doctors attacked by their patients especially in accident and emergency centres might just reflect this blame culture.
And just for the record I have issued my wife instructions that in the event of my death under no circumstances do I want anyone to sue anyone or seek retribution for its cause. I want to believe that lessons will be learned regardless. Treating and caring for other people is hard enough. All I expect is that they do their best, in the circumstances they find themselves.
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Hi Linda and Stuart.I empathise with Stuart's remarks,about assaults on medical staff.As a retired detective,I used to have to go to Glasgow Royal Infirmary,(anti violence patrol)viz attending GRI after violent incidents:(.Patients who had been stabbed,refused to co-operate with either hospital staff,and police. We had to hold them down to protect staff.Assaulted party usually refused to make a statement.Staff were always glad when we came.Linda,you are obviously a very talented lady,and would like to thank you for your comments.Lynne made a good comment(sorry,bad) about another strain a superbug.What is this one Linda?
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Stuart. I think you have me totally wrong - the only reason I complained about the filthy floors & the urine was as Lynne said we didn't want it happening again. I also complained about the fact that Carl was left alone with no machine to monitor him - when he was supposed to be monitered closely as he was blacking out & stopping breathing. I ended up staying at the hospital sitting by his bed as I was so worried about him & although they thought I had gone NO-ONE came to the ward for over 2 hours even though one of the patients was constantly pushing the call bell & crying 'nurse'.
Previous to me staying there although supposed to be monitored constantly Carl got out of bed to help another patient, blacked out went down on the floor hitting his ribs on the table as he went therefore breaking 2 ribs & the table, he was on the floor apparently for quite a while & despite one of the other patients shouting & pushing the bell for help no-one came. Thankfully I was told by the other patient he came around after 20-30mins. Carl didn't know what had happened as he was still groggy so he got back into bed. The nurse was told when she finally came round what had happened to him but she chose to ignore what she was told & instead of looking at him to see if he was OK she chose to take the broken table away - when questioned afterwards by the sister to whom I had complained she denied doing this.
A different nurse was putting the wrong medication through the nebuliser which was exacerbating the problem Carl had. The medication in question had been withdrawn by the doctor but was administered to him whilst he was groggy & unable to stop her. It was only because I had some pharmaceutical knowledge & read his notes that I realised what was happening.
Thankfully Carl recovered despite the hospitals attempts for him not to. However he was in pain for months afterwards with the broken ribs - which were not diagnosed until later even though he had bruises the size of large dinner plates.
I did complain - LOUDLY! That doesn't mean I shouted - it means I made sure that I was taken seriously. But we didn't ask for any compensation or sue anyone. I didn't want what happened to him to ever happen again. I was totally horrified at the care received at the hospital, it was as bad, if not worse, than he would have received in a third world country.
I don't expect anyone to care for my nearest & dearest better than I would. I cared for my mother for quite a few years until she died & even though her death & long painful illness was from a prescribed drug interaction which she complained about - but no-one listened to her until far too late & the damage was done we didn't sue anyone. I wrote about it many times on various sites on the internet to stop the same thing happening to others. I made sure that I reached as many people as possible to try & stop the same thing happening to them.
I don't want to sue anyone BUT I DO want hospitals, doctors & nurses to exercise care & follow EXTREMELY NECESSARY HYGEINE REGULATIONS. A Hospital - because of the sick, wounded patients should be as clean as possible & staff should have good working practises to cut down any risk of cross contamination. If this isn't adhered to then you stand a much better risk of going into hospital & not coming out except in a body bag. So COMPLAIN & make sure someone listens - but don't sue.
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Clostridium difficile, or C. difficile - the major causative agent of colitis (inflammation of the colon) and diarrhea that may occur following antibiotic intake. C. difficile infection represents one of the most common hospital infections around the world. This bacterium is primarily acquired in hospitals and chronic care facilities following antibiotic therapy covering a wide variety of bacteria (broad-spectrum) and is the most frequent cause of outbreaks of diarrhea in hospitalized patients.
Again - using hand wash will cut down the risk of infection. Again this one because of excessive use of antibiotics in the past has got resistant.
Use Bee Propalis people instead of antibiotics - it's natural & works far better & quicker often with no nasty side effects.
Holland & Barrett do it 1000mg capsules x 100 costs around £10. 3 a day for 5-7 days as you would a normal antibiotic. If you're really suffering you can go up to 6 daily. I've given this to people who have had no joy with antibiotics & it usually clears everything up within 3 days - but take for at least 5.
Sannyrut - I'm not at all talented, I just have some experience of work in this field, microbiology is what I trained in. However it is the most boring experience you could imagine working in a microbiology lab so for the sake of my sanity (after I started talking to the one celled bacteria) after a couple of years I quickly transfered to the analytical labs of the pharmaceutical company.
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I know what broken ribs feel like.Extremely painful,and inhibiting normal movements.I fell when coming down from a Scottish mountain,and broke two of my ribs.Also landed that hard on my butt,that I later developed problems with my spine.Linda,that is awful what Carl had to endure,his family too.I have recently been discharged from the Southern General,Instute of Neurological Science Ward,Glasgow,as result of disc damage.I can say that the ward was cleaned twice a day,floors,toilets,etc.The food,however,was awful,and I had to ask my wife to bring me in a sandwich.I think I was lucky.Alec.
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Linda - It is not my place to make a judgement as to whether you or anyone else complains to a hospital. That's your business but you did invite me to name and shame the hospital, though you did not quite put it like that!
The good thing about this forum is that people can post different view points. The reader will generally decide on the merit of what is posted. I have found you posts on this thread interesting and clearly knowledgable. They certainly have informed the discussion.
My take is different one. The NHS service has saved my life twice. Without doctors and nurses, researchers and scientist I would be dead by now. Actually I wouldn't have survived child birth, let alone a recent heart attack. Obviously I am grateful, but the experience has made me more philosphical too. We all have to die sometime. I don't want some hard working, under paid, over worked, devalued health care professional feeling bad because they were not able to prevent me dying or because they feel they made a mistake in the care they gave me. In all walks of life mistakes are made and hopefully most people will learn by them. I kind of accept that without making mistakes patient care cannot progress because that is how people learn.
I also feel that too often now people take on a victim role when things go wrong - things will go wrong; some are not preventable. We seem to sometimes want to blame everyone but ourselves and sometimes we expect others to provide solutions when there are none or we stop asking what we could have done to help.
One of the characeristic that appeals to me about Turkey is that there is more acceptance of, "what will be - will be". Others might tell me I wrong about this and I claim no expertise on Turkey but that is how it feels to me.
I agree hospitals should be clean. My first post attempted to reassure that Turkey hospitals and the Turkish culture are problably cleaner, with higher standards than British hospitals so no need to be over anxious that MRSA is more prevalent in Turkey than in The UK
Anyway I written enough about this. I did not mean to cause you offence - if I did I am sorry.
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i will share a sad story with everyone my daughter-in law told me about a little old lady who was dieing and she did not want to die alone as she was scared she had no relatives so doreen sat with her way passed her shift time and held her hand till she passed away this is another view of the nhs of caring and dedicated staff who are facing cutback to a service that's full of bureaucrats and pen-pushers
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Originally posted by Stuart Barnes
The NHS service has saved my life twice. Without doctors and nurses, researchers and scientist I would be dead by now. Actually I wouldn't have survived child birth, let alone a recent heart attack.
Stuart
There was I thinking you were male :D
No offence taken.
I agree with you that there are some wonderful caring doctors & nurses around. Unfortunately when Carl was in we found the worse kind working at that particular hospital.
The ward sister was fine although totally over stressed by all the paperwork etc. that never used to be the main part of her vocation. She explained to me that many of the staff she had were 'bank staff' i.e. from agencies. She complained that the NHS was now relying more & more on bank staff whereas before they had their own staff who they knew well & knew what their shortcomings (if any) were. She said she didn't know from day to day who she'd get working in her wards.
She also explained that 'bank staff' cost twice as much to employ as normal staff as their rates of pay were higher & the agency also got a cut. The local health authority had also contracted out the cleaning to a cleaning firm.
It's like any big operation - too many pen pushers & not enough staff on the ground where they are actually needed. Toio many pen pushers also who have no idea of the havoc they are causing to the NHS.
Our health authority was the one who was paying one such pen pusher around 100K a year to stay at home as they hadn't considered her for a higher position & she wasn't expected to work under such ill treatment. Don't know if she's still drawing a salary but that situation went on for at least 2 years.[?][?]
Personally I wouldn't dream of going to that hospital again as an emergency admission unless I had absolutely no choice in the matter - it was an eye popping experience. We live midway between 2 hospitals - the one to the south of us is fine. I haven't named the hospital but we won't be taking a trip up to A......... no matter how catchy the tune is. :D
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I agree with Linda on the previous post she made,about pen pushers etc,in NHS.It does not only happen there.The police are handcuffed by it :(,and other professions too.Pumping money into the NHS,only to be paid to managers to cut costs is wrong.Pay staff a decent wage,and bring back Matrons.I am a retired detective(think I mentioned this somewhere previously)?Why bring in hired nurses,at better wages,than training more NHS staff.?Do I have brain fog,or what?[?]
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Hi Linda. thanks for the tip on Bee Propalis, I have bought some today. I had a nasty reaction to some anti biotics last yrar and was off work for five weeks! I have been nervous of taking any since so will try those. Do you take them all the time or just when you are ill? Thanks, Linda
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Take only when you're ill. Sometimes if we feel like we're coming down with something we take for 5 days as a precautionary measure. I haven't taken antibiotics for well over 8 years since finding these & haven't had a really bad infection. Previously I was on antibiotics it seemed like half the year as I really used to suffer (& I mean suffer) with septic throats. Haven't had a bad throat now for over 8 years & no sign of any septic throat since discovering bee propalis & gargling with 1 drop of tea tree in 10ml of water as soon as my throat feels a bit scratchy.
I gave a course to an elderly neighbour who was on her 4th lot of antibiotics & still was being driven mad by a badly infected ear. Within 3 days her ear infection was cleared although I told her to keep taking as you would an antibiotic. She told me later that she'd stopped her antibiotics as she believed me when I told her it was a wonder drug - I wouldn't advise this as you should ALWAYS finish a course BUT then again I haven't been to the docs for antibiotics for a long time.
We never travel anywhere without Bee Propalis, Tea Tree Oil & Pawpaw Ointment.
Those 3 just about cover you for most problems - infections, cuts, chaffing etc. etc.
Plus some Aloe Vera - in hot countries, just in case you get sunburnt & we bought some GE Oral in Turkey (like dialoryte only cheaper) so we're pretty much covered apart from a few painkiller tablets (just in case!)
Another thing for those of you with asthma - try & find some local bee pollen, if you can't find that then some local honey. Tip of a spoon of pollen or a heaped teaspoon of honey daily helps boost your immune system & make you less likely to have an attack.
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Thanks Linda, great tips.
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Hi Lindacarl.I know how you felt when working in a lab.I did too,but gave up.Mind you I was only 18.I wanted to get out and about.I too have problems (with pharyngitis),and will be trying the bee propalis,tea tree,(and paw paw).The last doctor I saw refused to give me any more antibiotics as he said the pharyngitis was viral:(.That was the last thing I wanted to hear.I queried him about whether the fact that I had suffered ME for several years(resulting in being pushed to resign from the job I was in at the time),could be a contributory factor.He replied that it was,and that my immune system would always be compromised.However I DO have good spells,but winter does not help me.You should get a fee paid to you for all the good advice you have given pro bono.Alec.
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You may be interested to know that Bee propolis is available here in Fethiye, it is not quite as strong a potency as available in the UK.
It is available just past Eren Spot heading into town on the left hand side from a shop that sells honey and all related bee equipment. I am just about to try it after a chest infection picked up in the UK and two lots of different antibiotics, one in the UK and one here and four or five bottles of cough syrup and a tickly cough that just won't completely go away.
Watch this space results will be published! 8)
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Three days completed.........No noticeable improvement at all. Will continue on to five days as suggested.
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I will get some of the Bee Propolis for my daughter who was suppoesed to have a tonsilecomy next week but has chosen not to.
On the MRSA subject, my fathers partner had an op on her hand 2 years ago. She checked on the hospital and discussed her concern regarding this infection. She was assuered that she was to be the 1st patient to use the theatre in this hospital and so there wouldn't be any contamination. She's since had an operation to remove the lymph glands under her arm and recently had to endure a mastectomy due to MRSA contracted during the procedure 2 years ago. Even now, the antibacterial gel doesn't seem to be used on enteriing wards or patients area by the medical health professionals and in fact, when we visited her, I noticed that on one door through which we exited, there was no hand gel at all.
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Tried the beepropolis,Linda,but it set off my allergies.Swollen eyes,wheezing,tight chest etc.Had to stop taking it.Still taking the gargle concoction,which seems to help.Their was a warning on the beepropolis container about pollen asthma sufferers.Thick I may be(no pun intended),but it is nice for people to give advice.Alec.
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the hospital i work at does have this facility and is now bringing in a new procedure to decaminataion all new patient admissions to the wards
the rules and regulations do differ from one health authority to another,maybe if people went to the monthly/quartly meetings of the public and health officials that authorities are suppose to hold they could voice their concerns then
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Both Hubbie and I have used Bee Propolis in the last week and it fought off both our colds...we have usually taken Echinacea but think the Bee Propolis is better.
As Alec points out ...be careful if you have allergies I was going to give some to my son's girlfriend as she seems to be going down with everything-but Holland and Barrett's contain Brewer's yeast (she is yeast intolerant)so had to find one without by which time she was better!
Thanks Linda.
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Have now done five days with no positive results. Maybe it is horses for courses but it did not work for me. I have just purchased a mix of roots and herbs which you infuse into a tea and drink twice a day. This was on a recommendation from a Turkish person.....we will see how that works. :)
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Four days of drinking this infusion night and morning (with honey to sweeten it) and hey presto cough gone! Can't prove that this was the remedy but would certainly try it again. 8)
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If the Bee propalis is equivalent to an anti-biotic it would not work either as you probably had a virus.
The mix you used probaby eased the symptoms but I don't think it would cure you. I swear by Covonia cough mix if I get an annoying cough.
I was told by a wise person one day that a cold if treated would last a fortnight if untreated would last two weeks.
BUT-If you could now go out and get a bacterial infection and repeat the treatment you might get a different result.
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Did try Covonia but had no effect. Bee Propolis is apparently what bees use to disinfect their hives (No comments about bee size capsules!) so I am not sure about it being considered to be equivalent to an anti biotic or not. As mentioned I did try antibiotics here and in the UK but was advised not to take more as the original infection was not the cause of the problem any more.
So I don't think there is a definitive answer. Just have to increase the Raki intake to build up immunity levels.:D
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Just have to increase the Raki intake to build up immunity levels.:D
Husband swears by it for keeping mosquitos away. Still gets bit but excuse is it would be worse if he didn,t drink Raki
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I have just read the posts with great interest. I am a staff nurse in mental health, an ex-hospital administrator, and have a son who, whilst recovering from near death due to meningitis, was infected with mrsa.
I agree with linda regarding the need for extreme hygiene measures in hospital. I agree with stuart in that it is still possible to be infected,whatever measures are taken. I take offense when people bat on about "pen-pushers" in the NHS. Before privatisation and the internal market,admin costs in the uk were 4%. Politicians of all colours were and still are interfering with our structure.Admin costs are now 14%. Please don't blame the office workers who keep the wheels oiled (ordering food,salaries clerks,telephonists etc). The increased costs are mostly due to quantifying and charging for an unnecessary fictional market.
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Tribalelder - you possibly had a virus - antibiotics don't work on these. Although in the past doctors used to prescribe them for viruses, that was mainly because patients expected them to & they didn't realise that by overprescribing antibiotics they were leading the way for many more antibiotic resistant bacteria. Let's face it antibiotics haven't been around for that long. Now they do know this so therefore antibiotics are not prescribed like sweets any more.
For those with lots of allergies then bee propalis might not be the best thing as a massive dose can bring out your allergies. HOWEVER a lot of allergies can be brought down to a much more manageable level & often eliminated if you take VERY SMALL amounts of the substance you are allergic to regularly - to build up a resistance.
Carl used to live in the allergy centre of the US & had VERY bad allergies & asthma. There were more allergy specialists in his area than any other as it was really big business.
We used to work at alternative health shows every weekend & obviously got to know many specialists in different areas. The general concensus was that if you can get local honey a teaspoon (or less if really, really bad) a day is a super way to start reducing allergies. Once you're OK with this then build up gradually & then take bee pollen - build up gradually from 1 or 2 grains (little balls) of this to about 1/2 to 1 gm daily. If you can do this you might find like Carl that his allergies no longer bother him unless he spends all day next to a tree which he's allergic to & whose pollen is dropping. He has only been really ill twice from allergies since using honey & bee pollen - both times we were at Ealing at a Jazz Festival with an alternative health marquee & we stayed in the park in our caravan - under the same trees each time. We only did that particular show two years running as I wouldn't put him through that again. Didn't realise what had caused it the 1st time but it was obviously tree pollen as second time we went was same time of year. Both times I had to rush him to a doctors to have injections & be put on oxygen. You'd think he'd be worse living in the country but instead he frightened me stiff in the middle of a London park.
He doesn't need to take the bee pollen all year round, just start before the pollen season starts. they sell bee pollen in Fethiye & Calis (Seckem market - 2nd roundabout up from beach).
Tribalelder - I'm pleased to know the bee products shop now sells Bee Propalis as I think it might have been us who persuaded him to source it & start stocking it. We had a long discussion on how good it is & we were surprised he sold just about every bee product except propalis.
I'd be interested in knowing what concotion you were told to use? Many people don't realise it but the majority of the pharmaceuticals around started off as little more than infusions of plants. The pharmaceuticals don't want you to know this - it's one of the reasons they are trying to get alternative remedies off the market - so they can exploit the remedies that work.
In olden days the local wisewomen (witches) or the medicine man were skilled in knowing which plants were remedies. Many people knew what remedies to use as it was passed down (a simple example is to use dock leaves for nettle stings, which most people are aware of). Unfortunately we've lost so much of this now as we rely too much on modern pharmaceuticals - where they've synthesised the active ingredient from many plants & often forgotten what the ancients knew well,that you needed the whole plant to stop some of the more nasty side effects.
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Hi Linda, does it have to be local honey or will any do. Linda
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Lindacarl....the first antibiotics were prescribed in the UK by a doctor in response to a diagnosis of a chest infection so I dont know if it was a virus or not but in view of your comments there was obviously no need to prescribe antibiotics if it was!
The local mix was Ginger, ginseng, cinamon sticks, cloves and linden flowers brewed for about twenty minutes which I sweetened with honey. :)
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It's best if it is local - as local as possible, as you're building up an immunity to pollen in the local area - one of the main culprits of allergies. Try a farmers market if you have one near as they are usually a good source. Ask around as you might find someone knows of a VERY local source.
There's loads of local honey available in Calis & Fethiye. The supermarkets here sometimes sell local - due to more demand now but often the honey sold could be from anywhere in the EU - look on the label.
We even managed to get some Australian honey from just outside Brisbane, Queensland in our local supermarket before we went to Aus so Carl took that for a couple of weeks before we went.
I'd also be tempted to bring some Calis/Fethiye honey back with you & start taking a week or more before you next visit. Honey is the one food that doesn't go off. It may crystallise but it doesn't go off.
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Thanks Linda, not much local honey in Manchester, will try one of the farm shops next time we go to Cheshire. Linda
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I just put in a search for Manchester Honey as when I lived in the area I'm sure my best friend used to go to Stockport market to buy local honey & found the following.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/manchester/5157916.stm
My friend Chris is nursing in Manchester at the present time & her daughter is a doctor, I nearly trained at Christie as a radiologist but decided against it, as the cases there were often so severe & distressing that I think I'd have ended up in tears most of the day. I will tell both about Bee Propalis & see if they can pass it on to Christie - the work they do there is wonderful. They'd probably not take it seriously if I told them.
Honey trialled on cancer patients
A Manchester cancer hospital is importing manuka honey from New Zealand to treat patients after surgery.
The honey is believed to have healing powers and doctors at Christie Hospital in Didsbury, Manchester, plan to use it on mouth and throat cancer patients.
They hope it may reduce the patients' chances of contracting MRSA and help lessen inflammation.
It has been used on special honey-coated dressings at the Manchester Royal Infirmary since May.
Now 60 patients at the hospital are taking part in a study to see if the honey can prevent infections which can be resistant to antibiotics.
Honey has been used as a medicine since the Ancient Egyptians, who regarded it as a cure all.
Dr Nick Slevin, the specialist leading the programme, said: "Manuka honey has special anti-inflammatory and anti-infection properties and is believed to reduce the likelihood of MRSA infection.
"This study has been generously funded by local people and patients - and we are extremely grateful to them."
The honey is produced by bees which mainly feed on the Manuka bush.
It can be expensive - up to £12 for a jar - but the hospital is buying in bulk to help keep costs down.
The hospital has so far imported 400kg of honey for the clinical trials.
Update.
I've written to Christie Hospital as I really strongly believe in Bee Propalis. Read a few things now from Man Eve News & they are using Manuca Honey internally as well as in dressings as it seems to help cut down throat infections drastically - Propalis would do FAR better especially if they can find a Manuca Propalis - their suppliers probably make it or know who does. (Manuca Honey is supposed to be more beneficial than other honey - I wonder if it's because the bees visit the tea trees?)
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Thanks Linda, totally agree about Christies, my sister and my mum were both treated there for breast cancer ( my sister was only 30). It is a wonderful hospital and thankfully both doing fine. I am not sure I could work there either, it was always difficult at visiting time seeing the ones they sadly couldn't help especially the younger ones. I hope they act on your letter. Linda
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Interesting topic, babies under a year old should not be given honey for the following reason---
It can contain a type of bacteria. If given to a baby under one year old, the bacteria can grow and produce toxins in the baby's intestine. This can result in a potentially dangerous illness called 'infantile botulism'. After the age of one, the baby's intestine matures so that the bacteria are not able to grow.
Makes me wonder if the same bacteria has the ability to heal.
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I don't think it's the bacteria Heather that heals. It probably shouldn't be given to babies under a year old because the Clostridium botulinum bacteria produces toxins which for a larger child or adult wouldn't be a problem but for a baby could overwhelm their system.
Maybe the toxins produced by the C. Bot. could also produce a response in the body which means that we produce antibodies or suchlike which also act on all bacteria helping to eliminate them. Then again it could be the toxins also which help to eliminate MRSA?? I don't know but it's an interesting thought.
If someone wants to provide me with a decent microscope, sterile lab facilities & some MRSA samples - when we get over to Calis I'd love to do some research on it as we often toss ideas around & I've got a lot of different things I'd like to try. I'd work for free if they'd just let me try some of the things going through my mind. Just heard this moment on TV 5,436 people died of MRSA last year - shocking, isn't it!
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Can you give me any more information on honey for cancer patients.
I recently cared for a guy who had bowel cancer. In a wicked twist of fate one of our staff's wife has been diagnosed with the same condition. Is this something I could recommend to someone undergoing chemotherapy treatment or would the lowered immune system make this dangerous.
Hope you get the chance to try some of the things going through your mind. Most inventions and cures have started in that way.
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I've no idea Heather - really wish I did. My dad died of bowel cancer at just 50 & he suffered badly for over 10 years, which was the start of me looking at alternative therapies.
I don't think honey would harm an adult otherwise Christie wouldn't use but whether it would have any effects on the lower part of the intestines once it's been through the digestive process I honestly don't know. I suspect not, but then again it could help raise the immune system which is a good thing.
Can I suggest a book by Dr Hulda Regehr Clark - A Cure for All Cancers. I find some of her ideas a trifle off the wall BUT some make incredibly good sense. It's well worth a read. Amazon have it at just £20 - just a few years back the book cost hundreds or thousands of pounds & was incredibly hard to find - it was talked about often in the alternative therapy world but few people could afford to buy it.
Many doctors will say it's complete rubbish BUT we've heard of clinics worldwide that use some of her methods & have a very high cure rate. Sometimes we need to look 'outside the box.'
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i don't think there is going to be time to buy the book and find cures . Also I don't think I have the knowledge to make decisions. What I will do is speak to an excellent health store manager that we have here who will know.
If it is able to aid the immune system this could only be good. The gent I cared for was doing so well and then contracted bronchitis. He reacted badly to anti-biotics then everything went downhill from there. It may be a shot in the dark but if it can help in any way at all I will let my friend know. Thank you.
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Heather - I've sent you an email
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Jeez - I've just read a bit more about Manuka honey & it combines 2 of my all time favourite remedies. The plant it's taken from is a form of tea tree & often it has a high percentage of Propalis.
You can buy it in supermarkets here - at a premium price, BUT could be well worth it.
Anyone got stomach ulcers? Read this!!!Losing sleep over stomach ulcers?
Don't let H. Pylori bug you anymore. Fight the bacteria right now with Active Manuka Honey, and feel the difference within weeks!
If you thought that simply cutting back on your favorite spicy food would do the trick, well, here's something to chew on! Treating the symptoms may provide short-lived relief; but, the most effective way to deal with stomach ulcers is to address the ‘root cause'. This is exactly what Active Manuka honey does.
Most stomach ulcers are neither caused by stress nor dietary or "lifestyle' issues. It's a different can of worms altogether! It's the H bug, commonly know as H. Pylori or helicobacter pylori. This bacterium was recently established as the main cause for more than 90% of duodenal ulcers and 80% of gastric ulcers, by two Australian researchers, who won the Nobel Prize for their discovery, in October 2005
Active Manuka Honey: It really works!!
Active Manuka Honey from New Zealand
Obtained from the native New Zealand Manuka bush (Leptospermum scoparium, a type of tea tree), Active Manuka honey possesses an extraordinary antibacterial quality that is particularly effective in killing H. Pylori without interfering with the beneficial bacteria present in your body
Dosage: Even a teaspoon of Active Manuka Honey a day, can keep the doctor away!
The unique properties of UMF manuka honey allow you to self-medicate, adjusting the dosage to suit your specific condition. The key to dosage is to take as much honey as required to ease the discomfort or burning sensation. For most people, this will be as little as 1 teaspoon at a time. Take the honey when the burning sensation arises or aim for regular doses up to 30 minutes before meals. Important: Do not heat the honey in any way, as this will destroy the natural antibacterial properties.
How long should this H Pylori treatment take?
The pain and discomfort associated with your ulcer should decrease during the first few days of your Active Manuka honey course. However, complete eradication of all the bacteria can take 2-4 months. A little patience can save you a lot of frustration. Unlike the triple therapy course of antibiotic treatment which is much quicker, an Active Manuka honey course has no nasty side effects, and is absolutely natural.
Manuka Honey for stomach ulcers
As I've got Acid Reflux this will be on my shopping list next visit to the supermarket/health shop. Tea Tree can't be ingested so this is the only way I know of to gain the natural antibacterial benefit of Tea Tree internally.
I'm so glad I looked up Manchester Honey - as otherwise it could have taken me a few more years to find this. I don't believe too much in co-incidence but do believe that sometimes things are really meant to happen & what goes around, comes around.
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Thanks Linda, I find your research very interesting. They discovered I had H Pylori last year during an endoscopy and I also have an ulcer. I am taking lansoprazole for the ulcer and reflux. Please keep us up to date with any info, many thanks. Linda
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www.nutrisun.co.uk sell manuka honey £10.31 with 10% discount and free delivery if you spend £19. Shop.com have a whole list of suppliers.
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Tescos sell it for under £6, Holland & Barrett for about £11.
Last year it was selling for £2-£3 at Tescos & £6 at Holland & Barrett.
I'm going to stock up at Tescos tomorrow. I guess since they have discovered how good it is the prices have rocketed.
If anyone sees it cheaper elsewhere can you let all of us know? It's quite possible that it might be found cheaper as stock bought before demand went sky high.
Bit annoyed as we stopped doing shows about 2 years ago - they had got too expensive to exhibit at (often £2,000 a weekend) due to new Government legislation which meant insurance costs went sky high + electrical costs alone often were in region of £200 a weekend as any electrical appliances had to be checked out every show (often not done but they charged for it anyway). Had we kept doing the shows I'd have found out about this long before now. We used to also run our own shows but as we prefered abiding by the rules (just in case someone came in to check - as they do!) it wasn't worth continuing as it was a major hassle.
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Me too, thanks. Linda
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Linda - be careful taking lansoprazole as I believe that it's a proton pump inhibitor - I take omeprazole which defo. is. I very recently came across some info - haven't researched it yet - that said in Canada? they have banned it for longer than 12 months usage as long term use has led to many severe hip problems.
I'll look for info over the weekend & let you know the facts. I been trying to cut down on my usage since I caught this on some TV program so finding out that Manuka was good for ulcers is a Godsend for me.
My doc hadn't heard of this so I said I'd research it for her - she thankfully is one doctor who is into alternative therapies, big time - she even sent her mother (who was dying of cancer) to one of our shows to see if anyone thought they could help her. Past treatment stage, unfortunately, but one of the mediums did apparently help her greatly come to terms with dying.
Done a bit of research haven't seen them banned for long term usage - yet! However they say it can increase the risk of hip fractures by 44% in usage of over 12 months. If used for over a few years increased by over 200%. My intake of Calcium products is probably way too high & it's those it cuts down on absorption of. Sunshine helps in Vit D production which also helps in absorption of Ca so moving to Turkey will help greatly.
They haven't been out too long so I'm going to err on the side of caution & go get manuca honey & see if I can get off these totally. - After working for a major pharmaceutical I really don't trust them to do the right thing. Profit in front of people is often their aim.
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Linda, yes it is a proton pump inhibitor and the doctor said I will probably have to stay on it long term. I will get some of the honey and look forward to the results of your research or any other info. thanks again, Linda
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The Manuca Honey 10+ active is £5.49 for 340gm in Tescos.
Bought some yesterday & hadn't taken my Omeprazole since Thursday. Normally I can only leave them off 1 day before I start feeling really acidic. Took just 2 teaspoons full Saturday as late buying it & the acidic feeling that was starting went away. The last spoonful was taken last thing & I slept without waking up coughing acid. If any of you have ulcers & reflux you'll know exactly what I mean.
I've just taken my next teaspoon as we went out early & I forgot, was feeling a trifle acidic but it went within a few minutes of taking. This is the LONGEST time I've been able to avoid taking Omeprazole for the last year. If I'd have taken the Omeprazole I would have stayed acidic for a few hours before it kicked in - so I'm very hopeful that this will work. I'm ecstatic!
UPDATE Took just 1 Omeprazole Monday & 1 today - Friday. I could have held out -both times- for longer as wasn't too acidic BUT am allowing the Manuca to get into my system & I don't want to be really uncomfortable. Went to docs today & told her what I'm trying to do, took her lots of info.
Doc. said she'd heard good things about Manuca but didn't realise it would do so much. When I told her you could buy in Tescos at a pricey but affordable £5.49 a jar she said she's going to read all the info & will tell other patients (she thought it was only available at health stores at £20+ a jar).
Buy it NOW before everyone cottons on. Anyone else trying it? I'll start another topic when I'm totally off the tablets. I have NO doubt whatsoever that I will get off them & fairly quickly too. I don't want to take a tablet that could lead to me having brooken hips a few years down the line.
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Yes Linda I know exactly what you mean, also after food it feels like its coming back before its gone down! (sorry for being a bit graphic) I will be passing Tesco on Tuesday so will get some, we will have to compare notes. I certainly haven't been able to miss my tablets, even if I forget one I can tell within a few hours but I don't fancy crumbling hips either. Linda
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Hello Lindacarl.I have read all of the responses to my original post.I have recently been to a G.P. who prescribed Lansoprazole, and Gaviscon Advanced.They both help the acid reflux,but I have been awake sice 0415 hrs today in U.K.,with excess acid:(:(.What a bummer.Alec.
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Well Alec - you now know what to do - Manuca Honey!
Update. I wish I hadn't taken the Omeprazole last Friday as I have the feeling that when it went into my system it made more MORE acidic on Saturday. It would have been so easy to take another yesterday. I didn't however, I just took the honey & the acidity is fine now. Slept last night with NO reflux problems & today I don't feel at all acidic just with the honey. I've bought some Bisodol & I'm not going to take any more Omeprazol. If I have to take anything it will be the Bisodol.
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I also take Omeprazole and boy don't I soon know if I ever forget. If I need to supplement it I use Gaviscon. I used to take Bisodol but it stopped working. I think the best non prescription solution is Xantac but be warned. You cannot use it if you are taking any of the prazole types.
Ken
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It was EXACTLY the same with me. Bisodol used to work OK & then stopped hence having to go onto Omeprazole.
I'm sticking with the Manuca Honey - it might be more expensive than a prescription for the first 2-3 months BUT it stands an excellent chance (from the research I've done) of licking the problem totally. Once you've done 2-3 months you will probably bne able to knock it down to a couple of spoonfuls a week to keep it under control.
MUCH better than taking any drug - especially with the side effects that are starting to be noticed after such a short time of its inception.
We both swear by Tea tree & Propalis & everyone we've told about them once they've tried they have agreed - we have told literally hundreds of people - every time we used to do a show we'd get at least a dozen or so people coming back thanking us for giving them the info. (We could root out sore throat problems very easily from an aura photo so just told people we knew were having problems).
Manuca gives the benefit of BOTH of these powerful antibiotic/astringents. What a product!
Linda
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We only have a Tesco metro near us and they didn't have the manuca honey. I will have to wait until I am near a bigger Tesco. Your results sound promising Linda.
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If you can order online from Tesco - delivery from £3.99 - they have it online.
There are a number of £5 discount off a £50 shop or 500 extra points on www.hotdeals.com - click on vouchers. You can also get all the BOGOF offers - ulike in stores where they are often out of stock.
They've only recently started doing deliverys here. If you shop at tescos normally & have a clubcard - look at favourites & virtually everything you've bought is on there.
Used a few times for convenience, the 1-2hr delivery slots are adhered to & the frozen items are still frozen. Often the things we go to the local shop especially for are not available as ours is a small store.
Sainsburys do their own brand online 10+ active @£5.49 for 340gm or another variety for £4.99 for 250gm but only 5++ active i.e. don't buy the 5+ as it's not as good as their own + more expensive. Presumably they should carry it in all stores.
Morrisons also do some - not sure how many gms for £4.99
If you can't find it near the 'normal' honey look around the specialities area. In our local it was by all the honey but in a large extra it took us ages to find in their huge specialities section, couldn't see any in with the other 100+ selection of normal honeys.
You NEED the ACTIVE - minimum 10+. 20+ or more would be great but should also be prohibitively expensive. If you see it & it isn't grab it & let me know too!
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Hello Lindacarl.I have visited my GP today.I was taking Lansoprazole,but he has now prescribed omeprazole.Apparently my stomach is producing to much acid.I hope that this works.
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Lansoprazole & Omeprazole are BOTH proton inhibitors - one & the same thing.
Why don't you try Manuca? - I've (touch wood) now got myself off the Omeprazole by using Manuca Honey. I don't want shattered hips in the future & since they haven't been around that long & problems are already occuring I'm not prepared to risk taking them for any longer when a natural alternative works BETTER than them. Why pop pills if you can get rid of the problem altogether using NATURAL products?
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Linda can you give me the website where you get this information from.
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Heather - I NEVER use just 1 website to get any information. I ALWAYS go to at least 10 or often many more if it's something I'm researching. 1 website can give you totally inaccurate information.
The initial information I got from The Christie Hospital website in Manchester & then I looked at the other websites they & others recommended. I ended up many places including Yale University, Universities in Canada, New Zealand & Australia. Also the Manuca producers give you links to trials that have been carried out. I looked for clinical trials also etc.
I don't have a list of sites visited. I did print off a lot of information but I gave it all to my doctor as I'd read it all. I don't have a trail you can follow.
The info regarding Omeprazole/proton pump inhibitors I caught on a TV program briefly & had researched this prior to finding out about Manuca.
Anyone can do the same as I've done & find the same sites. I'm off researching something completely different now & don't want to backtrack. If I wasn't positive what I found was accurate - I wouldn't have posted it.
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I am not questioning your information Linda I am looking for some good sites to find out if there are complications to the mix of tablets I am on at the moment.
I have a gp appt tomorrow and I wanted some information as to whether I should be taking the mix I am on-Tramadol,Fluoxetine and Lansaprazole.
I have been having some weird symptoms and think it may be down to this. I have actually had suspicions for some time that the joint pain I am suffering from was due to Omeprazole and when I went to gp and told her this she changed me to Lansoprazole. The symptoms if anything got worse. I also believe the Tramadol has made me so drowsy and the Fluoxetine has made it difficult t sleep all night so I am going round permanently knackered.
I have got the manuka honey but so far it hasn't worked for me. Probably because I am fighting so many tablets.
I did visit one of these chinese herbal shops that are in most centres these days. I was looking for a miracle cure for weight loss. he actually told me he would have to treat my stomach first and prescribed a mix of various teas and pills that would cost £25. I got a bit suspicious at this point and said I would go back but I didn't. I may have boobed there. So if anyone has any experience of these shops or any other info I would love to hear it.
An old crock looking for that youthful feeling again!!!!!!!!
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Heather
Look at the crimp sheets you should have with your tabs & look at the the contra-indications. See if they say that some of your tabs shouldn't be used together.
You could also pop in to see the pharmacist before you go to the docs. Pharmacists should know far more about different drug interactions than your doctor.
Listening to your own body though is very important. My mum did & took herself off her diabetic tablets she felt were harming her BUT the doctor made her take them again as he told her they couldn't have such side effects. 6 months down the line & the damned things had granulated her liver & lungs. A fit healthy youngish woman was bedridden & suffered horribly before she died 3 years later. Mum always told me - 'Remember you know your body best, don't let anyone ever tell you they know your body better than you, if you feel that any drug isn't right for you - then don't let them force you into taking it.'
A chinese herbalist is great - IF they all well trained. My cousin in Australia trained as a chinese accupunturist & herbalist - it took her 5 years at University & she's still learning. There is a great deal that the chinese know that we don't although some of their remedies are a bit strange. Same with the American Indians. Don't forget the majority of our pharmaceutical drugs came originally from herbs. 100 years ago & the pharmeceticals were no more than herbal infusions - until they learned how to extract the active ingredient & later to synthesise it. Some herbalists know however that we NEED the whole plant as often the possible side effects would be lessened by another ingredient that is no longer there.
I started off putting 'Manchester honey' in search box & went everywhere from a Manchester Evening News story to Christies Hospital & then to links from their site. I went all over the place just by clicking on further links & then putting my own searches in.
Heather I was trying to take myself off Omeprazole as I've been very achey in my hips & after catching on TV the bit about hip fractures I wasn't too happy.
When I found the manuca I was taking Omeprazole evry 36hrs - couldn't leave off longer than this otherwise I'd have acid in my mouth. I only started taking Sat 24th? & the last tablet I took was last Friday. I'm NOT taking the things again as the one I took last Friday I'm sure made more acid. I'm just taking a bit more Manuca than before & I have been fine. I do feel a bit acidic at times but I just reach for the Manuca & it goes away pretty quickly. I've just got through 2 jars but I know I'm off the Omeprazole for good. I haven't taken any Bisodol or Rennies etc. just Manuca.
I'm sure we'd all love the miracle weight loss - there isn't one! Eat less & exercise more is the only option.
Unfortunately.
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Hello Heather07.This is really weird.I was on the same medication as you are.I have just returned them to the Pharmacist because I did not wan't to get hooked.I too have a problem with weight gain,due to an inability to exercise,because of a prolapsed disc.Lindacarl,you may remember that I tried the bee propolis,and suffered from an attack of asthma as a result.I am allergic to pollen.I will try the Manuca honey.If it doesn't work,so be it.(Should that be,so bee it).
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Sannyrut
Did you have any side effects with that combination of medication?
The forum bosses
I feel at times thistopic is getting conversational. If this is so I am sorry but I also think there is some valuable information coming out that may help someone else.
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Hi Linda
Sue just got me some 10+ active Manuka Honey from Tesco. 340 grams for £5.49. Good job she has staff discount and club card. I am going to take it as an extra for a few days then knock off the Omeprazole and see what happens. As you said earlier both Lansoprazole and Omeprazole are PPI's. There are also a couple of others and each can have different side effects. My doctor tried 3 on me before prescribing.
All the best
Ken 8)
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Conversational and diagnostic - no harm in that hopefully!
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Keith - if you want me to I can try & take this off Calis Beach onto email. I realise I've gone way off topic now - SORRY! Just got excited at finding Manuca. I do tend to go a bit OTT. at times especially when I believe in something REALLY strongly. You have no idea how finding my 2 favourite remedies in one product that could be taken internally was just so unbelievable to me.
If I eventually find out how to set up a forum OR even upload things onto my website I can take off here. Don't hold your breath everyone!
Sannyrut - be careful - just a VERY small amount to make sure you're not allergic as there WILL be bee pollen in it. Kenkay - have my fingers crossed for you - 6 days without them now - NEVER going back.
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Was in CarreFour (gima that was) and noticed that in the honey section they had a product which was a combination of Royal jelly and bee polen. Wondered if it was of any interest to those who are into the honey thing. Think a small jar was about 14 YTL. :)
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Tribalelder-Thought I would look it up and this is what I found. May be useful for someone.
Royal Jelly is believed to be a potentially useful supplement as it has wonderful benefits for the growth, strength, stamina and longevity of queen bees compared to other bees. Due to the complex combination of biological substances found in royal jelly, a queen bee can live up to forty times longer than a normal female bee. Royal jelly is viewed with very high regard as a Chinese traditional medicine for its efficiency in restoring strength after illness.
Royal jelly is known to contain B vitamins, minerals and trace elements such as copper, iron, phosphates, potassium, silicon and sulphur. It also contains acetylcholine, essential for the transmission of nerve impulses and inositol which helps with the breakdown of fat and lowering of cholesterol levels.
Each capsule provides 200mg of concentrated extract equivalent to 600mg of fresh royal jelly and is standardised to contain 6% 10-2 HDA. This natural unsaturated fatty acid has anti-inflammatory and immuno-regulatory properties. This extract is the recognised gold-standard royal jelly and thus the best you can take.
It is not recommended for people allergic to Bee products.
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What I saw was the Royal Jelly PLUS bee pollen as a honey like mixture but the blurb on the box was very similar to your description. :)
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Hi heather07.Yes I did have side effects.Loss of appetite,headaches,fatigue,and generally feeling unwell.To the bosses of CBF.This subject has gone from MRSA to different medical issues.It is however comforting to know that members ask for advice on a multitude of issues and members respond to try and help.
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I also saw the honey type stuff mixture of bee pollen and royal jelly. Anyone know how much you should take a day - teaspoonful? for general well being purposes
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Royal Jelly is the most concentrated goodness. Eat enough & you too might live 40 times as long as us normal beings PMSL - NOT! I don't think I'd want to be around that long in one incarnation.
Many people swear by 1 tsp daily. We brought a load back from the US at $5.99 reduced to 1/2 price therefore $2.99 for 326gm. If ever you see honey or Royal Jelly reduced as it's near to date - buy! Honey doesn't go off - EVER - well not for thousands of years. Got a feeling I read somewhere that it was found in mummies tombs & was still edible.
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Newspaper and TV today in UK said the Government said that incidents of MRSA were decreasing :)but C dificile was increasing:-\A pat on the back or a kick up the but[?]
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Reading this thread has been fascinating and informative. My dad [82] was recently in a London hospital, he caught a "hospital transferred chest infection" :pneumonia, then got MRSA and another superbug - when he was transferred from the high dependency unit to a ward he was in isolation, but we, his family had to remind staff to put on aprons and clean their hands with gel, nor did they keep the door closed, so other patients were at risk of contacting it from him. Dad died of cancer anyway, but not before he fought off all the infections, which astonished everyone. I'm now thinking it may have been the fact that he used to eat a spoonful of honey first and last thing every day that enabled him to fight the infections even while he was so seriously ill. I have always had great regard for the medical professions but I'm afraid I have to say that I now agree with Linda. A member of the family had to stay with dad all the time to ensure that he recieved care, as a lot, not all, of the nurses were appalling. I can't go into detail as it is all too raw.
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Surprised this thread has been brought back after all this time.
Sannyrut - they are actually using the hospital Carl was in (the one with urine all over the floor which wasn't cleaned up) as an example of how to do things now. No wonder their MRSA went down!
In Wales the cleaning staff are now hospital employees instead of bringing in outside contracters - that really makes more sense as now they are more liable for their actions/inactions.
I had to go to Newport this week for a pre admittance check - this should have included a few swabs for MRSA etc. - unfortunately they forgot to do this so I guess I'd better ring them tomorrow as I'm due in on 2nd. I was talking to the doc. & the sister about my experiences with Manuca - which they are now doing trials on in Cardiff apparently by putting on bandages. I'm taking a jar in with me (needless to say).
I found quite a change as the hand gel was everywhere, not just outside wards & huge signs up all over reminding people to use. Needless to say I didn't notice anyone else using except the staff & myself. Have we become a nation of illiterates? Or do we all think we are immune?
My acid reflux has gone - I used Manuca for approx. 21/2 months VERY regularly. (It's no good going at it half heartedly - you must use daily a few then couple then once a day for it to work properly.) Haven't used for months now but still keep it here - just in case! No more omeprazole for me - I actually think it was increasing the acid reflux if not taken regularly.
Jan, sorry for your loss. Unfortunately no-one will care for our loved ones as much as we will. Although to be fair many of the staff do try but for some it's a job not a vocation.
In the old days everyone seemed to take honey as a pick me up, lots of remedies had honey in - substituted now in most remedies for sugar syrup - which is a much, much cheaper alternative but it doesn't have any of the many benefits of honey. Maybe grandma did know best?
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As an Hospital employee of some 30 years it is mine and many colleagues thoughts that some of the infections on the wards could be caused by the fact that nurses are now allowed to wear their uniforms out of the hospitals and they launder them themselves. We also see theatre staff in the canteen in their "blues". We have complained to the canteen hierarchy, who are supposed to refuse to serve them but to no avail. We also see patients with drips and catheters being served in the canteen.
So why don't we go back to the days when nurses were NEVER allowed to wear uniforms out of the Hospital as to avoid the risk of cross infection and uniforms were washed "in house".
Pashka
Just a couple of simple things, but maybe, it just might help.
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Pashka
As well as having 'in house' cleaners now in Wales none of the hospital staff are allowed out of the hospitals with uniforms & all uniform laundry is done in house.
I don't know whether the hospitals have reinstated their own laundry facilities - years ago all hospital laundry in the area was taken to one hospital site where there were huge laundry facilities. That was before the powers that be decided that contracting out the laundry was the way forward.
You never know in the future they might also decide to retain their trained nurses rather than employ 'bank' agency nurses. I've never figured out how paying an agency their astronomical fees is viable for the NHS?
Perhaps they might also buy back the hospitals they have sold to private corporations? How is the NHS going to afford increasing rental costs in the future without it affecting the standard of care that it would wish to have?