Calis Beach and Fethiye Turkey Discussion Forum
General Topics => The Debating Chamber => Topic started by: mercury on December 08, 2013, 17:56:36 PM
-
MPs to get 11% pay rise.. Apparently even though they are "embarrassed" about accepting it. They cant actually refuse it!!!! They can give it away if they want too. Angry doesn't cover it..
-
Taking a "rise" out of the rest of us, more like !! >:(
-
Poor loves, they need a rise now they can't fiddle their expenses anymore. ;)
-
Disgusting.
-
How considerate of them to opt for the minimum rise due to the economic climate ;)
-
Well they are certainly "all in it together" :(
(http://s16.postimg.org/docufil9t/ipsa.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/docufil9t/)
-
Apparently they're also getting an 11% extension in their penises so that they can shaft us all even deeper !
-
Sexist, not all M.P's are men... ;D :o :P
-
All the good looking ones are ! ;)
-
KKOB :o you really know how to live dangerously 8).
-
Proves, I think, not all thieves and conmen/women are in prison :( >:( some we allow to just overfeed at the trough while we are just pushed further into penury >:( >:( Don't you really, really love them .....
-
Obviously THEY dont need sharp accountants.
-
There is a petition you can sign
http://www.change.org/en-GB/petitions/stop-mp-pay-rises-until-other-public-sector-wages-increase-freeze-mp-wages-until-other-public-sector-wages-share-the-same-economic-growth?share_id=MLlBpJmUBQ&utm_campaign=share_button_mobile&utm_medium=facebook&utm_source=share_petition
-
Not much support for the alternative "We must pay high salaries to get the best people" point of view here. Difficult to see how this is going to become a 'debate'.
-
Many if them don't need a pay rise, in fact they don't even need to be paid at all.
-
High salary does not mean high quality,I mean look at the current bunch,do you think paying them more will make them better?certainly not is my view,the mere fact that no one has stood up and said ,look this is crazy and immoral in the current climate when our public sector workers are bringing home less now than they were 3 years ago.let's make a stand ,refuse the rise and show the country that we are all in this together!
-
It makes me so cross, within the NHS our pay has been frozen for the last two years, and before the freeze I only got 1% then if my memory serves me correctly. I never wanted to be a nurse for the money (just as well), it was always my burning ambition from being a very little girl,and I'm very lucky I think to have been in my job in some of the better times, so it makes me mad not so much for myself as I've nearly done my time, but for all those aspiring nurses etc, who will be put off.
-
The Independent Parliamentary Standards Authority is not the only "independent" body set up to overview public sector pay awards. Many public sector employees (which is what MPs are) find themselves under independent pay review bodies - particularly where they are not legally free to, or are strongly encouraged not to, take industrial action. These bodies review pay and report their recommendations to the Government. The Government, however, is not bound by these recommendations and may well reject them. In March this year, for example, Health Secretary Jeremy Hunt rejected an NHS independent review body's conclusion that GP practices should have an increase of 3.4% to cover increased staff costs. Instead he set the increase at 1% "to reflect public sector pay policy".
So what is wrong with doing exactly the same thing with the IPSA recommendations? Thank the Authority very politely for their endeavours but set aside the 11% proposals and set the rise at 1% "to reflect public sector pay policy". Whether this is done by Government or by Parliament may depend on constitutional niceties - but one way or the other I think it should happen.
-
Totally agree with you Colwyn
-
Apparently they're also getting an 11% extension in their penises so that they can shaft us all even deeper !
wow 3 inches then!
-
Oh now come on Colwyn, this makes 3 in a row I agree with you :)
JT
-
Petition.
I realize that Nicola has already posted one petition in this thread but this one is specifically aimed at forcing a House of Commons debate on the issue. For this 100,000 "signatures" are needed. Let us force MPs to debate and offer justification for this rise.
http://epetitions.direct.gov.uk/petitions/44225
-
Thank you; shared on Facebook :)
-
That will be a quick debate, MP's debating if they should get 11% rise. To have a proper debate don't you need people involved who won't all agree.
-
This Country needs a revolution, seriously, a complete change and investment in the right areas, a major shift back to education for the future, produce the right engineers, technologists, craftsmen and not a Wunch of Bankers and Lavatory of Lawyers (collective terms) to defend their nefarious activities! Massive tax breaks for manufacturing Companies, overseas Companies tax dodging stopped. Do we need Westminster in these modern days? NO. Not as it exists.
Move toward the system of Federal government. Scotland, North, Midlands, South, Wales, Ulster all with our own Regional governments (Prescot had far too many on his list) and a Federal Authority with a fraction of the current MP's debating and Legislating only on matters agreed are truly National such as Defence and Foreign Policy at regional level. We would save a fortune in MP's expenses -- they can drive home or take a train so no second homes, the Federal Members only to have allowance for living in London, no issue with Buildings to house local assemblies, as there would no longer be County Council's needed so one of those could be used.
I mentioned to a supposedly intelligent Colleague in London that Manufacturing was still our biggest sector and he thought I was joking and that we hardly made anything and all the money was made in Banking and Financial services -- all the time we have those biased "city" perceptions we have no chance! Does it work, well, the Germans did it, and look at them now! The best standard of living in Europe and the only vibrant Economy, for goodness sake they have managed to compete against the World making Pencils of all things!
Guido of Scotton Hall
-
I mentioned to a supposedly intelligent Colleague in London that Manufacturing was still our biggest sector and he thought I was joking and that we hardly made anything and all the money was made in Banking and Financial services
Try this.
"The service sector dominates the UK economy, contributing around 78% of GDP, with the financial services industry (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Financial_services_industry_of_the_United_Kingdom) particularly important." Manufacturing accounts for less than 15% of the UK economy.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_the_United_Kingdom (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_the_United_Kingdom)
-
Well, there you are then, close all the Universities, no need as everything you will ever want to know is on Wikipedia -- and of course it is 100% accurate and nothing to do with Lies, damned lies, and Statistics!
Well, I did say he thought we hardly made anything at all, I may have been wrong about it being our biggest sector, (depends on your point of view) but it is very important and needs to grow dramatically -- look what has happened relying on the Bankers and Economists telling us Financial services is all! Nobody is working to spend any money on Financial services!
If Manufacturing isn't important, why do we not close Rolls Royce, British Aerospace etc.? Why do Toyota and Nissan invest so heavily in Car production here, cant be low wages or they would have shut up shop here and gone to Eastern Europe or somewhere else. Maybe, just maybe we can be good at it, if supported by Government not destroyed by them. (Well done Margaret! :( )Again, look at Germany, about 22% of GDP is Manufacturing, and growing, and they are the best off in Europe, so, not being the centre of Financial Services doesn't seem to have done them any harm has it?
I think I would rather work in the German pencil factory than be unemployed in a Country with such a wonderful Financial Services Sector and Benefits systems! They have good labour laws there and strong Unions, but a work ethic our whole system does not encourage! Nobody takes anything but emergency personal calls while working, or texts, do that in your break!
Nothing will change, until the whole system of Government is changed.
Catesby R