Calis Beach and Fethiye Turkey Discussion Forum
General Topics => The Debating Chamber => Topic started by: Scunner on March 08, 2014, 00:33:51 AM
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http://neonnettle.com/news/211-ex-cia-pilot-gives-sworn-testimony-that-no-planes-hit-the-twin-towers
Discuss..?!
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I am going to pull out this quote:
‘No Boeing 767 airliners hit the Twin Towers as fraudulently alleged by the government, media, NIST and its contractors’, he stated in the affidavit.
And then I am going to back away from this subject. I have always believed, from the moment they reported finding on top of the rubble, a virtually intact passport of one of the 'hijacking terrorists', that 9/11 was a heinously constructed disaster by the Bush family/government.
I have been vilified, mocked and abused for my beliefs and as I am off to start my new life in Turkey next week :D, I think I have to leave this one alone.
But please people, do not believe everything you read or are told. Propaganda is alive and well and living in a town near you.
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In support of Menthol, although she probably doesn't need it, I too will reserve my judgement on this one. If any member has the cojones to ostracise me on this, bring it !! I too, remember the media furore re, the alleged hi-jackers passport, how in the name of all that is sane, could a paper document survive such a disaster, almost unscathed, & be found almost immediately the dust had settled, on top of hundreds of thousands of tons of rubble, and why would someone on a suicide mission, carry his means of exit (passport) on his person , if he knew he wasn't coming back?
I am of the belief that the USA's biggest enemies are those within, i.e. the C.I.A. which is, SUPPOSEDLY, not allowed, by statute, to operate inside of the USA, but is answerable to no-one, NOT even the President !!
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I've always believed it wasn't real. And I also believe Princess Diana was murdered.
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I'm looking forward to the arrival of the Easter Bunny again.
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Good Grief, anyone seen the editor of the New Hampshire Gazette? In the 1960's? Most popular headline was something like "its all a Goddam Commie plot" --- and a small group believed it!
So many people saw it clearly, the glint of sun on the wings, "what is that?" Its a plane -- its going to crash into the World trade centre - it did!
This reminds me of young man I worked with in Cairo, I was discussing people I knew in London who had been in Auschwitz as children with an Italian colleague. Mohammed suddenly piped up, "are you saying that the Holocaust really happened, because at school we were taught it was a Zionist lie and didn't really happen?" We were amazed that such an intelligent young man could have been so hoodwinked -- I suppose if you perpetuate a lie enough them people will believe it. Its possible, but only way to prove it is again to fly an airliner into a building at 1000ft -- any volunteers?
Owamya Bin Keepin
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I aint denying that the likes of the CIA and other reactionary forces exploited the situation to their own warped ends. However, to then say they planned a massive and complex hoax, without flaw, in order to get their evil plans underway is beyond any rational analysis.
Bloody septics have all sorts of conspiracy theories, usually involving government and its agencies, and plenty of loons prepared to believe it ... no not for me. ;)
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Is there a correlation between the length of time people stay in Turkey and their propensity to believe conspiracy theories? After all the inventing and circulating of conspiracy theory is an extremely popular pastime in Turkey - maybe even more common than that other pastime, smoking.
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I wish someone would explain how we actually watched the planes crashing into the two towers. As did many people in the streets of N.Y. How about all the passengers on board... Did the C.I.A. take them away and execute them all??? This is one conspiracy theory I could not even start to believe.
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I saw it on TV I had a relative witness it first hand, as for Princess Diana being murdered I can live with that I despised the devious woman but that's another topic.
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Boeing 767 airliners
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This was one of the "where were you,when this happened?"moments.I was on a 4 hour break between shifts of work.I had nodded off whilst watching the television.I suddenly awoke and thought I was watching a disaster movie.I will never forget the fact that it dawned on me that the aircraft I was watching smash into the twin towers on the screen was the all too real deal.The rest was a surreal unfolding of shock and terror.RIP all victims of mans inhumanity to man.
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My post did not mean that I don't believe that it happened, I was watching it all unfold "live" on television at the Pool Bar at Belcekiz Hotel, Olu Deniz., for Christ's sake !! What I CANNOT get my thoughts around, is the preposterous claim, by C.I.A. , & F.B.I. to a lesser extent, that on top of hundreds of thousands of tons of metal, concrete etc. a passport belonging to one of the alleged terrorists was found !! Just saying.
I also remember an announcement over the Hotel "Tannoy" system, shortly afterwards, demanding that any guest/guests possessing a german Passport MUST report immediately to the reception area, which had been secured !! At thet, most other guests that we spoke to ,believed that Bader Meinhoff were involved !!
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I'm not talking to you Gordon. You've been ostrich-ized.
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I remember I was in the Co-op in Bangor, N.Ireland and the girl at the till told me. I drove back to my Mum in Laws and her and my Sister in Law had the T.V. on watching it. Phil was out on his brother's boat sailing and when they came in they knew nothing about it.
I recall my daughter and I going to N.Y. two years after the Twin Towers and seeing the site, it was so chilling to be there and to see all the boards up with details of the people who had been lost Including all the Firemen Also there where details of the day it happened and photographs, many people were in tears. It was moving and sad.
We did a bus tour of N.Y. and the guy on the mike told us as we went passed a hospital to look at the big tent outside, this was the place all the remains of the victims, even tiny bones where keep and people worked on them to try and identify the D.N.A. to match them up so relatives would have something... That again was very moving.
We also thought it really lovely that all the Fire Engines and and the Fire Station near our Hotel had the American Flags Flying and the Fire Station also had lists of names and photos of he Firemen who died.
We found the way the people in the City had a great togetherness and a great pride in their Fire and Police services so nice.
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I remember where we were - our very first holiday in Turkey, in Bitez. Had just got back to our apartments after a lovely lazy day on the beach when some friends, who were round the pool, shouted to us to come down and watch what was happening on the tv in the bar. Didn't really register until later just how catastrophic an event it was. Shook everyone there, locals and tourists alike.
We flew into New York exactly six months to the day after 9/11. Was on the viewing platform of the Empire State Building that evening when they switched on two laser beams down in Battery Park to commemorate the twin towers.
We visited Ground Zero which I found deeply upsetting.
But what did disturb me was all the guys in the streets selling 'mementos' of the Twin Towers. Photos, tacky plastic models, that sort of thing. Anything to make a dollar I suppose, but I found it disrespectful especially so soon after the event.
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I was at work when a friend's wife phoned to say what had happened. I said it was pretty unlikely, any pilot would ditch into the sea rather than a building - I never thought those sneaky terrorists would have taken flying lessons.
That evening I had to go to Luton Airport to pick up the mother in law - and her plane was the last one still in the air over England. I heard it had been diverted and would land at Stansted and passengers would be bussed to Luton. I wanted to ask the easyjet staff at Luton if I could drive to Stansted and intercept her before she got on the bus. Sadly, they were far to busy as you can imagine on a day like this - getting the lighting right for that Airport programme they were filming back then.
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I'm not talking to you Gordon. You've been ostrich-ized.
OUCH !! I felt that, Colwyn ! Ach well, at least I haven't been "sent to Coventry," I spent a fortnight there one day !!!!
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Lucky you. I "lived" there for four years in the early 70s. It was dire.
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My neighbour's son was in New York on business and saw it unfold from his hotel room a short distance away.
He was supposed to fly home that night but ended up stranded there for nearly two weeks,all flights were stopped.
Apart from a private jet that flew out of the US from Texas the following day containing close family friends of George W Bush
and had been staying at his ranch as guest's. Those friends were the Bin Laden family. The family of Osama.!!
Wonder why they tried to keep it quiet. ??
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It happened !
There is no doubt !
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My daughter was living there at the time, when she woke up her flat mate had left on the TV, she really thought it was a film. She was totally traumatised and a complete wreck, she cannot ever forget the faces of those pitiful people wandering around clutching photos of their missing ones and pleading for anyone to recognise them and assure them they were safe.
Also the son of a friend here in UK was working there, but by a pure act of God or something he wasn't there that day. Imagine though the utter terror of his mum trying to make contact but all lines were down.
It happened.
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Is there a correlation between the length of time people stay in Turkey and their propensity to believe conspiracy theories? After all the inventing and circulating of conspiracy theory is an extremely popular pastime in Turkey - maybe even more common than that other pastime, smoking.
Hey Colwyn, perhaps its WHAT they are smoking?? :) :)
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I think we need to take this testimony very seriously. After all John Lear is a highly qualified airline pilot. He is an expert on UFOs and aliens and has proved that human beings are alien-created mutations. He has also made a close study, over several years, of the mines and cities on the moon, which are serviced by anti-gravity spaceships launched from Antarctica, and are possible because - despite what some so-called "scientists" say - has a breathable atmosphere. A true Renaissance Man for our time.
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Very good Colwyn, do you roll your own spliffs??? :)
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The moon must have a breathable atmosphere cos I saw Wallace and Grommit there in "A grand day out"!
:)