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Calis Beach Forum => Expat & Property Owners Q and A Forum => Topic started by: ArtyMar on October 13, 2016, 12:24:12 PM

Title: A Sad Story
Post by: ArtyMar on October 13, 2016, 12:24:12 PM
We’ve had quite a lot of problems, one way and another, in the building of our villa – as those who’ve been reading my blog, “Buying the Dream” will know.

The question is: when will it end? When I get tired of writing, when you get tired of reading – or when the problems finally end?

Well, it’s now October 2016, seven years after we first signed up to buy and the problems go on.  Here’s the latest: a Turkish contractor who has a company in the Calis Beach/Fethiye area, owes us money, nearly 650TL. He took the money to put in a wi-fi system, which he promised would be in place before our next guests were due to arrive in July this year. It didn’t happen. The guests, promised wi-fi, did not get it and were understandably very upset. We hired another contractor after these guests left (because the original guy kept promising them but kept coming up with excuses and never got it done). He doesn’t dispute what he owes – it’s in a written contract, signed by him – and he promised to pay. Promised, and promised – and is still promising.  He has an endless list of excuses, some quite amusing, as he puts off the payment week after week. The latest: “My bank day Monday and I pay Monday”.

I hate having to do this as he seems a personable guy, but I warned him that I would name and shame on this popular forum if he did not pay by a final deadline of Wednesday 12 October – yesterday. Surprise, surprise: no payment.  He now says he will definitely pay up by Monday 17 October – after all, that’s his ‘bank day’. Hmmm - strange for the owner of a large local building/property & pool management company to be reliant on his ‘bank day’ to pay a long-standing but paltry sum of less than 650TL. Yet another delaying tactic -

So-o- what’s his name? And what’s the name of his company? If you need small scale building work, pool maintenance, property maintenance, or wi-fi installation, and if you come across him, please be warned! He seems a really nice guy but do not trust his ‘sincere’ promises!

His name is . . .

Heck, I’ve decided to give him the very last benefit of the doubt, as I am reluctant to name and shame him, but if Monday comes and goes with without payment, I’ll reveal it on Tuesday for sure :(. . watch this space.
Title: Re: A Sad Story
Post by: Toky on October 13, 2016, 12:34:25 PM
You are much too kind ArtyMar. Think you've given him many opportunities by the sounds of things.
Title: Re: A Sad Story
Post by: AOK on October 13, 2016, 14:28:51 PM
He wont pay ,so you might as well name him now >:(
Title: Re: A Sad Story
Post by: JohnF on October 13, 2016, 14:50:18 PM
Quote from: ArtyMar on October 13, 2016, 12:24:12 PM
Heck, I’ve decided to give him the very last benefit of the doubt, as I am reluctant to name and shame him, but if Monday comes and goes with without payment, I’ll reveal it on Tuesday for sure :( . . watch this space.


Bolloxs to that.  He deserves naming and shaming simply for that fact he's a) been paid to do a job which he didn't complete and b) hoping that as a non resident foreigner you'll eventually "just go away".

How many other folks has he taken money from to do jobs and hasn't either done the job or returned the money?  A lot of folks will simply put a situation like this down to experience and not chase him.

JF
Title: Re: A Sad Story
Post by: BernieTeyze on October 13, 2016, 15:00:16 PM
If he was paying you he would have by now.. I've had skyfibernet fitted,wonderful service,TV and WiFi package.  Y hey also do short packages.x
Title: Re: A Sad Story
Post by: Jacqui Harvey on October 13, 2016, 15:22:37 PM
This is why a lot of these dodgy Turkish businessmen like to deal with us Brits.... We are too nice and too forgiving.  Name and shame him.
Title: Re: A Sad Story
Post by: Laura B on October 13, 2016, 16:11:55 PM
Never never never pay upfront for any job and never expect a job to be done to your satisfaction in your absence.  Too late now for this one but everyone should understand this.
Title: Re: A Sad Story
Post by: kevin3 on October 13, 2016, 16:13:20 PM

   Name and shame him on all the forums and social media you are a user/member of.  And a photo

   may help others avoid him.           He deserves it, and it may make others think twice.
Title: Re: A Sad Story
Post by: sadler on October 13, 2016, 17:43:28 PM
Must be a serious problem to you Arty. You have suddenly morphed into the present. Name him, it doesn't matter one jot to me, we have sold, but others may benefit.   :)
Title: Re: A Sad Story
Post by: legless on October 16, 2016, 19:57:48 PM
I to believe in name and shame, i shall shortly be doing just that to a builder who is held in high regard by many on this forum. Watch this space                                                                         
Title: Re: A Sad Story
Post by: Menthol on October 16, 2016, 21:47:23 PM
Oh dear Arty, more problems!

Name him - he clearly has no respect for you.

Wishing you, OH and your family well  :)
Title: Re: A Sad Story
Post by: Lorraine on October 17, 2016, 14:33:05 PM
ArtyMar you paid him in July, trusting him to ensure WiFi was available for guests...it wasn't. You should certainly name this person to ensure others do not have to endure the same stress as you. You have been far too forgiving to this individual. I just hope he has paid you the money today as promised.
Title: Re: A Sad Story
Post by: ArtyMar on October 17, 2016, 14:45:41 PM
Believe it or not, he still has not paid. I gave him a deadline of 4.30 Turkish time (2.30 pm UK time) which has now passed. He still is saying that he will pay today! He asked our property care company, Rainbow, to go to him to collect the money (cheek) but they have no-one available anyway. He seems to want to eek out each delay while still promising to pay >:(
Title: Re: A Sad Story
Post by: Lotty on October 17, 2016, 14:52:35 PM
Just DO it ArtyMar. He's laughing at your trust. Name and shame - this is so unfair.  :-\
Title: Re: A Sad Story
Post by: ArtyMar on October 17, 2016, 15:10:04 PM
OK, finally, enough is enough. Even on the day he finally promises to pay, it is now 5pm Turkish time, and he still has not paid - yet he is still promising.
His name is Emre Kaymanli
His company belongs to SUN GROUP and is mainly a pool chemicals and equipment / pool maintenance company - they do pool terraces, put in external showers, walls etc as well as supply pool chemicals and kit.
In addition he has a cafe. He also wants to get in on the property maintenance market. He will take on any building job, hiring people to do it. He offered to do the wi-fi for our villa in time for the next tenants and I paid him as we had to go back to the UK (big mistake, obviously!).
His address is
Adnan Menderes Bulvari Yeni Mahalle no: 252/A Fethiye.
Tel 0252 613 13 28
Gsm: 0531 648 61 38
Fethiye V>D. 117 445 73620
email emre.pmm@hotmail.com

This has taught me a big lesson. I hope I've done you a favour by naming and shaming. I find it hard to believe that people like this are in business.

 
Title: Re: A Sad Story
Post by: JohnF on October 17, 2016, 15:17:17 PM
Quote from: ArtyMar on October 17, 2016, 15:10:04 PM
He also wants to get in on the property maintenance market. He will take on any building job, hiring people to do it.

I find it hard to believe that people like this are in business.

Oh my...  now where have I heard a story like this before  >:(   

They're still in business because so many folks don't do what you've done, i.e. not let him away with it.

JF

Title: Re: A Sad Story
Post by: KKOB on October 17, 2016, 15:41:21 PM
He owns the Sunshine Cafe.
Title: Re: A Sad Story
Post by: Jacqui Harvey on October 17, 2016, 16:07:28 PM
Glad to see you have named him.  I would never use this man and I am sure others would not either.  So thank you for that, you are doing us all a great favour.
I think you need to let him know if he does not pay, you are seeing a solicitor.  As you have a rock solid case, he would also be liable for your charges.
There is a very good lady Solciitor that always gets great feedback on this forum.
Title: Re: A Sad Story
Post by: legless on October 17, 2016, 18:45:19 PM
At least it wasn't ENGIN FERSIZ from Fethiye Property Services, my story will come soon. As soon as I have sorted all my paperwork out and text messages
 
Title: Re: A Sad Story
Post by: kevin3 on October 17, 2016, 22:43:09 PM

    Well done Arty, you have probably saved many others a lot of stress and money.

    I hope your money costs him thousands and thousands of TL.   Emre Kaymanli of Sun group.

    I'll pass his details to all my contacts to warn them of him.      ;)
Title: Re: A Sad Story
Post by: JohnF on October 17, 2016, 22:45:53 PM
Quote from: legless on October 17, 2016, 18:45:19 PM
At least it wasn't ENGIN FERSIZ from Fethiye Property Services

What?  You've had a problem with Engin...  surely not!

 >:(

JF
Title: Re: A Sad Story
Post by: legless on October 18, 2016, 07:30:50 AM
Once all my information and texts are sorted I shall give the full story on here, it will be another warning not to use unskilled labour 
Title: Re: A Sad Story
Post by: mercury on October 18, 2016, 10:57:46 AM
I am sad to read this about Engin.. He did a lot of work for us a few years ago and it was excellent.. He also fitted a school with new windows FREE  of charge for The 3 Cs   About 10 windows if I remember rightly....
Title: Re: A Sad Story
Post by: ArtyMar on October 18, 2016, 12:25:00 PM
I am now going to retract my post and say SORRY to Emre. I know he will pay this small sum of less than 650 TL. He has a family (two young sons) and prior to the wi-fi which he had asked others to install, he did a good job for us on replacing my our pool terrace and installing an outside shower. We are happy with the work done for this. I do not want to ruin his reputation or his business (just wanted an overdue payment!)
Emre now says he has lost a big job due to someone on the forum reading about this. If that is correct, please understand that the actual work he did for us was very good - with no problem as to payment for that. 
Title: Re: A Sad Story
Post by: JohnF on October 18, 2016, 12:29:22 PM
Quote from: ArtyMar on October 18, 2016, 12:25:00 PM
Emre now says he has lost a big job due to someone on the forum reading about this.

Well, it kinda serves him right for trying to rip you off.  If he'd simply refunded your money as any tradesman with an ounce of integrity would have, then your post would never have seen the light of day.

One a scale of one to ten on the sympathy meter, zero.

JF
Title: Re: A Sad Story
Post by: KKOB on October 18, 2016, 12:31:05 PM
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Title: Re: A Sad Story
Post by: Scunner on October 18, 2016, 12:32:53 PM
All he had to do was to pay you this 'small sum' as you now call it
Title: Re: A Sad Story
Post by: stoop on October 18, 2016, 12:47:55 PM
So has he actually paid back this 'small sum'?
Title: Re: A Sad Story
Post by: Scunner on October 18, 2016, 12:59:26 PM
No, it says she believes he will pay it.
Title: Re: A Sad Story
Post by: JohnF on October 18, 2016, 13:00:15 PM
Quote from: ArtyMar on October 13, 2016, 12:24:12 PM
to pay a long-standing but paltry sum of less than 650TL.

To be fair, ArtyMar has always described it as a "small sum", she just used a different term  ;)

JF
Title: Re: A Sad Story
Post by: Lorraine on October 18, 2016, 13:03:22 PM
It's not just the money you entrusted him with. He agreed to ensure your property had WiFi before guest came. He didn't do this despite you paying him, you and your guests were let down. Surely an honest person should have been totally honest from the start and not made promises they could not meet or take your money.
Title: Re: A Sad Story
Post by: Scunner on October 18, 2016, 13:18:21 PM
Yes basic rules of business

1. Don't take money then not do the work

2. If you don't do the small stuff correctly, you lose the big stuff

That's how it works.

You are either feeling misguided blame or guilt, or you are being threatened. I wonder which.
Title: Re: A Sad Story
Post by: mercury on October 18, 2016, 13:42:48 PM
Sorry but it serves him right,,, I hope you actually got the money before you retracted this statement?  We would never pay for anything upfront in The UK never mind Turkey....You are being too soft with him Arty...
Title: Re: A Sad Story
Post by: BernieTeyze on October 18, 2016, 14:32:22 PM
You told him what you would do, he had enough warning. He should have paid you...simple as. He lost more than a job, he lost his reputation.  That is HIS fault not yours arty. You get a good reputation by offering a good service, and doing what  you  say you will do. It's not enough that he did good stuff before.  What about  the inconvenience to You?  I think you are too forgiving Arty..please tell me this guy has paid you Now?
Title: Re: A Sad Story
Post by: kayakebab on October 18, 2016, 17:16:46 PM
Thats a lot of money for wifi .
I assume he was installing sky fibre net system?

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Title: Re: A Sad Story
Post by: Anne on October 18, 2016, 19:25:49 PM
For me it would be too little too late.
Had you not named and shamed him on here I am quite sure you would not have seen a kurus of the monies owed.  You still may not receive your refund so why the change of heart?
It was his choice not to heed your warning that you would name him here telling of his conduct.  The fact that you now want to retract your post makes no difference.   
It is here for all to see and no matter how many good, decent jobs he did for you in the past this is the one which will stick in peoples mind.
The fault does not lie with you Arty but with him. 
Title: Re: A Sad Story
Post by: legless on October 18, 2016, 22:36:15 PM
Isnt this forum great, I get a text message tonight from Engin wanting to put things right for me, why the  ---- didnt he do it 2 months ago when i had no hot water, and was at my villa, after paying a dodgy plumber to install solar water that hasn't worked correctly from day 1 
Title: Re: A Sad Story
Post by: davybill on October 19, 2016, 07:52:45 AM
If he lost a big job, why didn't he have the money to pay you? Arty Ma.
Title: Re: A Sad Story
Post by: KKOB on October 19, 2016, 11:38:48 AM
Quote from: legless on October 18, 2016, 22:36:15 PM
Isnt this forum great, I get a text message tonight from Engin wanting to put things right for me,

So, are you going to take the opportunity that he's offered you ?
Title: Re: A Sad Story
Post by: trainer on October 19, 2016, 12:18:57 PM
After having a bad experience with Emre and sun group I would never use them again sun group where doing our complex pool and ground maintainance so I asked them to quote for my apartment to be painted (internally) the job was to paint all walls, ceilings, doors and door frames it all came to 2000tl with exchange rate at the time it worked out quite cheap this work was all to be completed in the winter. When we arrived the following trip all the work was completed to be honest the walls and ceilings looked quite good but the door frames had been painted a cream colour with a patchy nicotine colour running through it we had originally told Emre to paint it white so gave him a call he came round took one look and said not a problem will sort it straight away we where only there a week so said do it while we are away. We came back a few months later still not done got him back out he was full of apologies and said he would do it a soon as his painters where available to be honest we where not pushing it that much as his company where still doing the site maintenance and he was coming round as soon as we called and he seemed quite genuine. Unfortunately we had to leave without it being completed. This time we left it with the person who deals with our apartment and said keep chasing and she did but to no avail so when we came back in the September (a year from the date he quoted ) I was on a bit of a mission to get the job done,  now I was there for 2 weeks I rang him every day for 10 days he always answered with I will be round in the morning and guess what he never did. I went in to his cafe but he was never in like I say this went on for 10 days so I got some one else to call saying they wanted work doing in there apartment he came straight round then but unfortunately for him I was sat there waiting to say he got the shock of his life was an understatement after I had vented my anger with a lot of expletives and told him where to go (by that time I knew he wasn't going to do the job) I got Ozgur to repaint the doors and frames. Also when it came to renewing the complex maintenance contract well let's just say Ozgur does a great job and will most likely have the contract for the next few years. :D
Title: Re: A Sad Story
Post by: JohnF on October 19, 2016, 13:18:49 PM
All too familiar stories and a "tradesman cycle" we've seen before on so many occasions.
You could change "tradesman" to cafe, bar, restaurant... whatever.  The cycle has been the same for as long as I can remember in this area.

JF
Title: Re: A Sad Story
Post by: kevin3 on October 19, 2016, 16:17:17 PM


    I think Emre  Kaymanli of the Sun Group will end up wishing he had paid Arty the money he owed her
Title: Re: A Sad Story
Post by: Scunner on October 19, 2016, 17:00:43 PM
I think it is phenomenal that he took someone's money in July to do work and then never did it, refused to return the money, despite countless chances to, then when named and shamed he didn't feel bad about what he had done, he made Artymar feel bad about naming him (which she only did in desperation after exhausting all other avenues)...

...and after all that STILL has kept her money!!

Many people are watching, hundreds of British people on Facebook & Twitter with properties and/or money to spend in bars in Calis/Fethiye.

Do the decent thing

Title: Re: A Sad Story
Post by: Scunner on October 19, 2016, 17:05:36 PM
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Spread the word so other Expats don't get lose their hard earned money for no return.
Title: Re: A Sad Story
Post by: JohnF on October 19, 2016, 17:21:04 PM
Quote from: kevin3 on October 19, 2016, 16:17:17 PM
I think Emre Kaymanli of the Sun Group will end up wishing he had paid Arty the money he owed her

Did you really mean Emre Kaymanli of the Sun Group Kev?

I thought you might have meant Emre Kaymanli of the Sun Group.

Nothing like adding some keyword density for the sake of Mr Google and his rather large family of little googlebots  ;)

JF
Title: Re: A Sad Story
Post by: Diverbaz 1 on October 19, 2016, 17:53:37 PM


I had a similar experience as Trainer with Emre Kaymanli of the Sun Group. Had a few jobs doe by him all at the same time. It appeared to me that they were not his workers but sub contractors he was an agent for. Door painting from cream to white, he took me to the supplier so I could buy all the "special" paint, doors full of runs, called him to come back and sort it, eventually the painter showed up, but no big difference when he left. Another job was our roof leak, after many years try of tracing the leak, I found it was the flashing where the solar heating tank supports go through the roof, the roofer came, I explained to Emre where the leak was he told the roofer (I think) the roofers mate knocked up 2 buckets of red cement, and promptly cemented the ridge tiles and left. less than 30 minutes on the roof and I was 1400tl lighter and still had the leak. At that rate the roofers were on 22,400tl for an eight hour day. Naturally I called Emre to explain and he told me it was to cover the twelve month warranty period??? and I was to call him if the roof still leaked. As with Trainer he was called many times, once they came again I explained where the leak was and the universal repair item, "silicone" was used, and it hasn't really rained since, so the warranty has run out.
Our first pool match of the season is against Sunshine, I will ask if he has paid his debt to Artymar, if enough people "remind" him maybe he will cough up. By the way it's, Emre Kaymanli of the Sun Group. I would never use them again for ANYTHING.
Title: Re: A Sad Story
Post by: Old Boy Racer on October 20, 2016, 04:37:51 AM
Emre has done unsatisfactory work for us, as well. He has also borrowed money and not repaid it. Like Artymar we were loath to name and shame, for the sake of his family.
Emre comes across as a personable, reliable and friendly person. To begin with nothing is too much trouble, and when we moved here 5 years ago his help and knowledge were invaluable. We finally fell out this year. My advice is the same as other members. Never give Emre money upfront, and check the finished job thoroughly before parting with your cash.
Title: Re: A Sad Story
Post by: davybill on October 20, 2016, 08:15:24 AM
Well I will be one person not to use the Sunshine again.
Title: Re: A Sad Story
Post by: legless on October 20, 2016, 10:15:58 AM
Quote from: KKOB on October 19, 2016, 11:38:48 AM
Quote from: legless on October 18, 2016, 22:36:15 PM
Isnt this forum great, I get a text message tonight from Engin wanting to put things right for me,

So, are you going to take the opportunity that he's offered you ?

the opportunity offered is "too little & to late " you may pass that info on to Engin too
Title: Re: A Sad Story
Post by: stoop on October 20, 2016, 12:29:26 PM
Quote from: legless on October 20, 2016, 10:15:58 AM
Quote from: KKOB on October 19, 2016, 11:38:48 AM
Quote from: legless on October 18, 2016, 22:36:15 PM
Isnt this forum great, I get a text message tonight from Engin wanting to put things right for me,

So, are you going to take the opportunity that he's offered you ?

the opportunity offered is "too little & to late " you may pass that info on to Engin too

Did you get the money for the emergency plumber you had to get out?
Title: Re: A Sad Story
Post by: KKOB on October 21, 2016, 04:42:47 AM
Quote from: legless on October 20, 2016, 10:15:58 AM
the opportunity offered is "too little & to late " you may pass that info on to Engin too

Sorry, I aint your messenger !
Title: Re: A Sad Story
Post by: Scunner on October 29, 2016, 11:15:13 AM
More than two weeks have passed since you posted this Arty...

You've got your money back by now...surely..?
Title: Re: A Sad Story
Post by: stoop on October 29, 2016, 17:30:56 PM
Taking bets Scunner?  ;)
Title: Re: A Sad Story
Post by: Scunner on October 29, 2016, 17:49:54 PM
Long odds Stoop
Title: Re: A Sad Story
Post by: BernieTeyze on October 29, 2016, 19:07:10 PM
Hope she's ok. Her husband  wasn't well, didn't she have to go back to uk early. If she reads this, sending you all the best Arty and hope you n yours are well x
Title: A Sad Story
Post by: Scunner on October 29, 2016, 19:16:30 PM
Well he is aware that his 'activities' are very public (because he told Arty he had lost work because of her post) and due to the silence presumably still has not returned the money he took to do a job and then keep it and not bother to do the job.

It truly is likely to be a hugely expensive "paltry amount' as far as his activities are concerned.

Some people simply don't have any grasp of the economics of bad publicity.

Or the simple need to do the right thing.
Title: Re: A Sad Story
Post by: Jacqui Harvey on October 29, 2016, 20:41:19 PM
We walked passed his restaurant last week.  He had a sign outside to say Efes 8TL at bottle.  However, would not touch his place with a barge pole after reading Arty's post and will pass the word on.
Title: Re: A Sad Story
Post by: Scunner on October 29, 2016, 21:28:11 PM
Where is it Jacqui? I genuinely don't know and I'm sure other members would like to know where to avoid
Title: Re: A Sad Story
Post by: Jacqui Harvey on October 29, 2016, 21:36:57 PM
Sunshine Cafe, next to The Calis Beach Restaurant (The Indian) on the Prom.
Title: Re: A Sad Story
Post by: Scunner on October 29, 2016, 21:53:50 PM
Incredibly, I'm still sketchy :D

Is the Indian still at the same place it started at - i.e. The old Calis Beach Restaurant?
Title: Re: A Sad Story
Post by: Liz 101 on October 29, 2016, 21:56:32 PM
But there's also a Sunshine Cafe near Sunday market, by the traffic lights as you head towards Kipa. So which Sunshine Cafe is it??
Title: Re: A Sad Story
Post by: Scunner on October 29, 2016, 21:57:58 PM
Hmmm...

Let's be 100% here, it would not be good to boycott the wrong people...
Title: Re: A Sad Story
Post by: Highlander on October 29, 2016, 22:07:03 PM
Absolutely !
Title: Re: A Sad Story
Post by: kevin3 on October 29, 2016, 23:22:08 PM


  I hope Arty and her family are well, they've had a lot to put up with and could have done without

  this cowboy robbing them.
Title: Re: A Sad Story
Post by: Gary-O on October 30, 2016, 04:46:30 AM
The Sunshine Cafe owned by this particular person is next to the traffic lights on the market road.
Title: Re: A Sad Story
Post by: davybill on October 30, 2016, 08:48:11 AM
That's the one it used to do a Quiz at one time,
Title: Re: A Sad Story
Post by: Jacqui Harvey on October 30, 2016, 08:48:45 AM
I did an internet search and there is another Sunset Cafe near the market and this is the one owned by this guy Emre as there is an advert on it's F.B. Page for the Maintenance Business with his name.
This is the link.  https://www.facebook.com/Sunshine-CAFE-295030407336863/
However, can find no information about the other Sunshine Cafe on the Prom next to The Calis Beach Restaurant (The Indian). So not sure if it is the same owner or a different business with the same name, as often happens in Turkey. 
Title: Re: A Sad Story
Post by: marina on October 30, 2016, 10:57:57 AM
Quote from: Gary-O on October 30, 2016, 04:46:30 AM
The Sunshine Cafe owned by this particular person is next to the traffic lights on the market road.

Well let's hope everyone on here reads this and doesn't start boycotting the other one on the prom who are possibly quite innocent in all this.  These guys have had a tough enough season as it is!
Title: Re: A Sad Story
Post by: yabanci on October 30, 2016, 11:00:07 AM
Maybe because the place next to the Calis Beach Indian is called The Sunset Restaurant not The Sunshine Cafe.
Title: Re: A Sad Story
Post by: Jacqui Harvey on October 30, 2016, 13:12:29 PM
My Apologies.  O.K. So don't go the the Sunshine Cafe. 
One review on CBF
http://www.calis-beach.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=57388.0
Keep going to the Sunset Restaurant. 
Would like to know if anyone on CBF has been and would like to review it?  We only ever pass it on the way to the Indian.
Title: Re: A Sad Story
Post by: Scunner on November 04, 2016, 23:00:37 PM
Another week passes

Can we officially conclude that Artymar's money has been stolen by this Emre Kaymanli of the Sun Group and owner of Sunshine Cafe?

I fear we can - absolute theft - money taken for services not provided and money kept. Shameful human being.


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Title: Re: A Sad Story
Post by: kaymanli on November 05, 2016, 12:54:35 PM
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The story finish 3 weeks ago this subject is now CLOSED ! SUN GROUP is a consruction firm NOT ANYTHING TO DO WITH INTERNET OR OTHER JOBS. just if anyone needs help ı do what ı can to help . until now ı stop help anyone!!!. IF ANYONE HAS PROBLEM PLEASE TALK TO ME MY SELF !!!. This problem has continued too long now!!! I think other people are still complane about me because they are another places like clowns !!!. The SUNGROUP and SUNSHINE CAFE are good places full of good people ! If anyone comes here monday nights, Friday nights, saturday nights or thursday nights come and they will see !!!!  If anyone has problem these are pleces we are !!! Please everyone this subject is now complete finish and closed !!!
Title: A Sad Story
Post by: Scunner on November 05, 2016, 13:08:18 PM
Subject closed? Listen pal, the one person who doesn't decide when this subject is closed is you.

When Artymar posts here to say you have given her money back it might be closed. Currently, this subject is very much open.

Also there are posts in this topic from several other Brits who confirm you took their money and didn't do the job it was for. Or borrowed and didn't pay back their money. We'll need those repaid too fr this topic to be closed.

The screenshot above does you no favours at all; it purely confirms she feels bad because you still haven't paid her the money you took, and you then made her feel guilty for telling others.
Title: Re: A Sad Story
Post by: Jacqui Harvey on November 05, 2016, 13:37:07 PM
This Forum reaches lots of people and when we were in Calis last month a local Turkish shop manager asked us had we heard anything about someone not paying back a lady for WIFI he had not fitted. He told us he had heard this from other Turkish friends in Calis as it had been on CBF.  I told him the name of the business and he actually said to us Oh no not Emre??   So, word has gotten around Calis and will get around even more.
If I was Emre, I would be paying Arty back the money I own her as bad publicity is the worst thing a business can get.  Everyone now knows where the business is and what they do and if the money is not paid back, will avoid this business.    I think the groundswell here  is lots of sympathy for the way Arty has been treated.
Title: Re: A Sad Story
Post by: kevin3 on November 05, 2016, 13:45:49 PM

    Thanks to Forums like Calis Beach Forum ANYONE that rips off Yabanci's  are finding

    out that it can come back and bite them on the arse, and hit them in the pocket.     ;)
Title: Re: A Sad Story
Post by: Colwyn on November 05, 2016, 14:39:47 PM

There's been a lot of this going on lately.



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Title: Re: A Sad Story
Post by: Scunner on November 05, 2016, 14:54:58 PM
Possibly the most expensive 650 lira acquired in the history of property management
Title: Re: A Sad Story
Post by: kevin3 on November 05, 2016, 15:11:38 PM


   I hope Arty is ok, and wasn't threatened.     She hasn't posted since.
Title: Re: A Sad Story
Post by: kayakebab on November 05, 2016, 15:12:56 PM
Funny they dont provide internet ..
A friend of mine has got hers from Sunshine. 

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Title: Re: A Sad Story
Post by: marina on November 05, 2016, 15:22:23 PM
Quote from: kevin3 on November 05, 2016, 15:11:38 PM


   I hope Arty is ok, and wasn't threatened.     She hasn't posted since.

Me too kevin, have been thinking the same thing.
Title: Re: A Sad Story
Post by: sadler on November 05, 2016, 15:29:22 PM
I also have been thinking of Arty a lot lately. I really hope she is in a good place at the moment and that her husband has recovered from his recent ordeal.   :)
Title: Re: A Sad Story
Post by: mercury on November 05, 2016, 17:49:57 PM
I have shared this on Fethiye Ex Pats
..
Title: Re: A Sad Story
Post by: BernieTeyze on November 05, 2016, 18:02:47 PM
Please send her our best wishes..she's missed x
Title: Re: A Sad Story
Post by: ArtyMar on November 05, 2016, 18:33:36 PM
Quote from: marina on November 05, 2016, 15:22:23 PM
Quote from: kevin3 on November 05, 2016, 15:11:38 PM


   I hope Arty is ok, and wasn't threatened.     She hasn't posted since.

Me too kevin, have been thinking the same thing.
Yes - Scunner guessed it some posts ago.
Thank you everyone for your support - what an incredible forum this is! Inspector, special thanks to you too, as unasked, you stepped in to try to help - but so far, to no avail. I live in hope.
OH was taken ill when we were there in September, as I posted, and we had to cut short our holiday and fly home - straight from airport to A & E, but he is now recovered (suffered awful psychotic symptoms even after the infection was cured which was frightening, but is now ok on that score also).
Title: A Sad Story
Post by: Scunner on November 05, 2016, 18:41:01 PM
Great to hear from you Arty. And great to hear my good friend Inspector is there to help.  You couldn't have a better man on your side.

 Money not returned - one of our lady members threatened when she was so desperate she named names...

Do you still believe this subject is closed, Emre Kaymanli of Sunshine Cafe and Sun Group?
Title: Re: A Sad Story
Post by: Bluwise on November 05, 2016, 18:49:46 PM
So unfair.  You don't deserve to be treated like this Arty.  Pleased to hear OH is recovering.  Wishing you both well x
Title: Re: A Sad Story
Post by: sadler on November 05, 2016, 18:59:17 PM
So lovely to hear from you Arty. Stay strong.  :)
Title: Re: A Sad Story
Post by: JohnF on November 05, 2016, 19:21:40 PM
Quote from: Scunner on November 05, 2016, 18:41:01 PM
Do you still believe this subject is closed, Emre Kaymanli of Sunshine Cafe and Sun Group?

What an effin big man, eh? Has to resort to threatening a couple of folks who are probably old enough to be his parents, çok ayıp sen korkak.

Anyway, that'll be Emre Kaymanli of Sunshine Cafe and Sun Group you're talking about Keith? 

I wonder if we could get this thread to the top of Google for Emre Kaymanli of Sunshine Cafe and Sun Group  :)

JF
Title: Re: A Sad Story
Post by: Scunner on November 05, 2016, 19:25:27 PM
Not just threatening senior folk John - but threatening them over a poxy 650 lira!

650 lira is £ 164 today - and a businessman's reputation lies in the gutter for significantly less that £200. It's almost beyond explanation.

Working on Google...shouldn't be too long...
Title: Re: A Sad Story
Post by: Menthol on November 05, 2016, 19:26:11 PM
Arty - glad to hear that OH is feeling better. Please tell him that I was asking after him. Tell him that I'll be happy to take him to market again!

It would be nice for you to be repaid the monies owed to you if the service has not been provided. Unless you have the service or a refund I don't see how the matter can be closed.

Perhaps it's time to have a word with our mutual friend, Sule  ;)

All the very best xx
Title: Re: A Sad Story
Post by: KKOB on November 05, 2016, 19:28:30 PM
Quote from: JohnF on November 05, 2016, 19:21:40 PM
Quote from: Scunner on November 05, 2016, 18:41:01 PM
Do you still believe this subject is closed, Emre Kaymanli of Sunshine Cafe and Sun Group?

What an effin big man, eh? Has to resort to threatening a couple of folks who are probably old enough to be his parents, çok ayıp sen korkak.

Anyway, that'll be Emre Kaymanli of Sunshine Cafe and Sun Group you're talking about Keith? 

I wonder if we could get this thread to the top of Google for Emre Kaymanli of Sunshine Cafe and Sun Group    :)

JF

I'm sure it IS Emre Kaymanli of Sunshine Cafe and Sun Group that Keith's referring to.

I'm also pretty certain that he's the same Emre Kaymanli of Sunshine Cafe and Sun Group who's been mentioned somewhere else as being a rip-off merchant.
Title: Re: A Sad Story
Post by: Scunner on November 05, 2016, 19:29:40 PM
Thank you KKOB

For the avoidance of doubt, I confirm it is Emre Kaymanli of Sunshine Cafe and Sun Group being discussed here.
Title: Re: A Sad Story
Post by: KKOB on November 05, 2016, 19:32:31 PM
I'm so glad that you confirmed that Emre Kaymanli of Sunshine Cafe and Sun Group is the one you were referring to Scunner, as there was a scintilla of doubt in my mind.
Title: Re: A Sad Story
Post by: JohnF on November 05, 2016, 19:34:55 PM
All this for 650 poxy lira.  What a bellend.

Wait a minute,  are you sure it's Emre Kaymanli of Sunshine Cafe and Sun Group FETHIYE we're talking about?

 :)

JF
Title: Re: A Sad Story
Post by: Scunner on November 05, 2016, 19:37:04 PM
No definitely Emre Kaymanli of Sunshine Cafe and Sun Group John/KKOB - in Calis, Fethiye - you know, in Mugla area of Turkey - Dalaman region. They do pool chemicals, building and maintenance  work, threatening but I do understand not internet. They do take the money for internet installation but Emre Kaymanli of Sunshine Cafe and Sun Group confirmed today they don't actually do the installation bit.

Where is the Googlebot when you need him  :)
Title: Re: A Sad Story
Post by: Highlander on November 05, 2016, 19:40:48 PM
Quote from: Scunner on November 05, 2016, 19:37:04 PM
No definitely Emre Kaymanli of Sunshine Cafe and Sun Group John/KKOB - in Calis, Fethiye - you know, in Mugla area of Turkey - Dalaman region. They do pool chemicals, building and maintenance  work, threatening but I do understand not internet. They do take the money for internet installation but Emre Kaymanli of Sunshine Cafe and Sun Group confirmed today they don't actually do the installation bit.

Where is the Googlebot when you need him   :)

Oops - pressed the wrong key.
Title: Re: A Sad Story
Post by: Scunner on November 05, 2016, 19:42:08 PM
Quote from: Highlander on November 05, 2016, 19:40:48 PM
Quote from: Scunner on November 05, 2016, 19:37:04 PM
No definitely Emre Kaymanli of Sunshine Cafe and Sun Group John/KKOB - in Calis, Fethiye - you know, in Mugla area of Turkey - Dalaman region. They do pool chemicals, building and maintenance  work, threatening but I do understand not internet. They do take the money for internet installation but Emre Kaymanli of Sunshine Cafe and Sun Group confirmed today they don't actually do the installation bit.

Where is the Googlebot when you need him    :)

Oops - pressed the wrong key.


Me too
Title: Re: A Sad Story
Post by: JohnF on November 05, 2016, 19:47:09 PM
Quote from: Scunner on November 05, 2016, 19:42:08 PM
Quote from: Highlander on November 05, 2016, 19:40:48 PM
Quote from: Scunner on November 05, 2016, 19:37:04 PM
No definitely Emre Kaymanli of Sunshine Cafe and Sun Group John/KKOB - in Calis, Fethiye - you know, in Mugla area of Turkey - Dalaman region. They do pool chemicals, building and maintenance  work, threatening but I do understand not internet. They do take the money for internet installation but Emre Kaymanli of Sunshine Cafe and Sun Group confirmed today they don't actually do the installation bit.

Where is the Googlebot when you need him     :)

Oops - pressed the wrong key.


Me too

Glad you did that, making a simple post is a struggle on a phone for me.  Mibbe I need a fethiye maintenance company to look at it for me.  A phone or Internet installation company that is as opposed to a property management or maintenance company in fethiye or Calis.

JF
Title: Re: A Sad Story
Post by: JohnF on November 05, 2016, 19:49:05 PM
I wouldn't worry   Mr G will pop his nose in soon  ;)

JF
Title: Re: A Sad Story
Post by: kevin3 on November 05, 2016, 19:50:22 PM
  Does anyone have a photo of Emre Kaymanli of Sunshine Cafe and Sun Group FETHIYE.??

  That is the Emre Kaymanli of Sunshine Cafe and Sun Group Fethiye who steals 650 lira

  then threatens the lady and her seriously ill husband  to shut them up.

  Lets hope that Emre Kaymanli of Sunshine Cafe and Sun Group gets all the BAD PUBLICITY

  he deserves. A photo would help people to avoid parting with money.
Title: A Sad Story
Post by: Scunner on November 05, 2016, 19:55:03 PM
A photo?

Ok



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Title: Re: A Sad Story
Post by: kevin3 on November 05, 2016, 19:57:42 PM
   Does anyone have a photo of Emre Kaymanli of Sunshine Cafe and Sun Group FETHIYE.??

  That is the Emre Kaymanli of Sunshine Cafe and Sun Group Fethiye who steals 650 lira

  then threatens the lady and her seriously ill husband  to shut them up.

  Lets hope that Emre Kaymanli of Sunshine Cafe and Sun Group gets all the BAD PUBLICITY

  he deserves. A photo would help people to avoid parting with money.

  Emre Kaymanli doesn't sound very personable to me.

  Oops, you beat me to it.       :D :D :D :D
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Title: Re: A Sad Story
Post by: JohnF on November 05, 2016, 20:03:03 PM
Anyone a member of TripAdvisor?

 :)

JF
Title: Re: A Sad Story
Post by: kevin3 on November 05, 2016, 20:10:28 PM


   Where's Jacqui when you need her.



   signed

   United Yabanci's       ;)
Title: Re: A Sad Story
Post by: faymoore on November 05, 2016, 20:21:47 PM
Sorry guys I missed all the earlier posts...
Are we definetly talking about Emre Kaymanli of Sunshine Cafe and Sun Group FETHIYE.??

What the  Emre Kaymanli of Sunshine Cafe and Sun Group Fethiye who steals 650 lira

then threatens the lady and her seriously ill husband  to shut them up.?

Well if it is then I hope  Emre Kaymanli of Sunshine Cafe and Sun Group gets all the BAD PUBLICITY coming to him....because that's not very nice!

Anyhow can someone please confirm if it is indeed Emre Kaymanli of Sunshine and Sun Group, I would be grateful
Thanks
Dave.







Title: Re: A Sad Story
Post by: Scunner on November 05, 2016, 20:33:55 PM
Quote from: kaymanli on November 05, 2016, 12:54:35 PM

This problem has continued too long now!!! I think other people are still complane about me because they are another places like clowns !!!.


Outwith the shocking treatment and threatening of dear Artymar, and the refusal to return the money taken from her for work not delivered - can I also point out how this character has also 1. taken money from other CBF members for work never carried out, 2. Taken money from CBF members and carried out hugely substandard work and 3. Borrowed money from CBF members and not felt the need to pay it back.

In the quote above from today, he describes all of these CBF members as "clowns".
Title: Re: A Sad Story
Post by: kevin3 on November 05, 2016, 21:40:38 PM

 Hi Arty

 Thanks for coming back and keeping us in the picture. Hope things are picking up and

 you are all turning the corner.I bet you will be glad to see the back of this year.This

 thread is almost a blog in itself.I wish you and your family a Happier New Year.      ;) 
Title: Re: A Sad Story
Post by: Scunner on November 05, 2016, 21:43:23 PM
I knew it wouldn't take long, we're pretty good at this

Enjoy your £164 Emre, we're going to make you famous   :)


(http://www.calis-beach.co.uk/emrekaymanli.jpg)


Give our friend the money back you stole from her, it's costing you so much more each day you keep her money in your pocket...
Title: Re: A Sad Story
Post by: JohnF on November 05, 2016, 23:02:38 PM
Quote from: Scunner on November 05, 2016, 21:43:23 PM
I knew it wouldn't take long, we're pretty good at this

We are good, but I'm even better.  Mr G is my bitch  :)

A bit light on "Sun Group Fethiye", an "Sunshine Cafe Fethiye", coupled with"property maintenance" and "pool maintenance".

JF
Title: Re: A Sad Story
Post by: Scunner on November 05, 2016, 23:08:02 PM
All in good time JF  :)
Title: Re: A Sad Story
Post by: JohnF on November 05, 2016, 23:15:12 PM
Quote from: JohnF on November 05, 2016, 23:02:38 PM
A bit light on "Sun Group Fethiye", an "Sunshine Cafe Fethiye", coupled with"property maintenance" and "pool maintenance".

Quote from: Scunner on November 05, 2016, 23:08:02 PM
All in good time JF   :)

I know, but right now we got six googlebots plus yahoo having a peek because I asked them nicely.

JF
Title: Re: A Sad Story
Post by: Colwyn on November 06, 2016, 08:23:27 AM
And the result is ... a search for "sun group" Fethiye Calis brings up, in third place, this thread and features JF's post immediately before this one. You know the one referring to Sun Group Fethiye and Sunshine Cafe. On Yahoo this thread appears in second and fourth place.
Title: Re: A Sad Story
Post by: Stopfordian on November 06, 2016, 10:21:24 AM
 Are we talking about the EMRE KAYMANLI SUN GROUP who steals money from a vulnerable lady, or the EMRE KAYMANLI  from the SUNSHINE CAFE who threatens ladies who ask for work to be completed ??
Not a very good review for anyone willing to invest money in his city. Maybe Jacqui and I need a rethink
About where we choose to spend our time and of course our hard earned retirement fund??
Title: Re: A Sad Story
Post by: KKOB on November 06, 2016, 10:24:24 AM
Quote from: Stopfordian on November 06, 2016, 10:21:24 AM

 Are we talking about the EMRE KAYMANLI SUN GROUP who steals money from a vulnerable lady, or the EMRE KAYMANLI  from the SUNSHINE CAFE who threatens ladies who ask for work to be completed ??
Not a very good review for anyone willing to invest money in his city. Maybe Jacqui and I need a rethink
About where we choose to spend our time.

Yes, we are we talking about the EMRE KAYMANLI of SUN GROUP who steals money from a vulnerable lady, and the very same EMRE KAYMANLI  from the SUNSHINE CAFE who threatens ladies who ask for work to be completed. What a twunt eh ?

He also seems to be the same EMRE KAYMANLI  from the SUNSHINE CAFE who has a page on Facebook.

https://www.facebook.com/sunshinecafee?fref=ts
Title: A Sad Story
Post by: Scunner on November 06, 2016, 10:27:29 AM
And the same Emre Kaymanli who threatens a vulnerable lady and when that shuts her up, posts  on here to say the problem has been sorted!
Title: Re: A Sad Story
Post by: Scunner on November 06, 2016, 10:52:37 AM
All going well



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Title: Re: A Sad Story
Post by: Stopfordian on November 06, 2016, 10:54:30 AM
 Hmm, yeah same EMRE KAYMANLI AND SUN GROUP & SUNSHINE CAFE -CALIS/FETHIYE on FACEBOOK.
 Seems like a nasty conniving man to me. I can't think of another business that would THREATEN a VULNERABLE LADY in that way.
On second thoughts, does THEFT count as a business ?
Title: Re: A Sad Story
Post by: Scunner on November 06, 2016, 11:08:34 AM
Turkish people look out for each other, even strangers. I remember a commotion spilling out of a Calis shop - there was an English family and the shop owner arguing very aggressively. As it went into the road, Turkish guys came from all directions to help the shopkeeper. They didn't know (couldn't know) what it was all about but they were there without a second's thought. I remember admiring this unquestioned support for a fellow countryman in need.

This forum does the same, that was part of the whole initial concept - to advise other Brits of good service, or when one of our own had been scammed - and to give everyone the facts and the option to stand shoulder to shoulder with the wronged member.

Of course, when it is against one of the few bad apples over there who is at fault, he will generally not appreciate the noble act of people standing together in the face of wrongdoing.
Title: Re: A Sad Story
Post by: JohnF on November 06, 2016, 11:20:31 AM
Quote from: Stopfordian on November 06, 2016, 10:21:24 AM
Not a very good review for anyone willing to invest money in his city. Maybe Jacqui and I need a rethink
About where we choose to spend our time and of course our hard earned retirement fund??

To be honest, you come across guys like this everywhere, not just Fethiye.  In my experience, compared to other areas of Turkey, the level of dishonesty and scams on foreigners in Fethiye and the surrounding areas is a lot lower, especially where property is concerned. 

I wouldn't let it put you off, seriously.

JF
Title: Re: A Sad Story
Post by: Stopfordian on November 06, 2016, 11:23:34 AM
Quote from: Scunner on November 06, 2016, 11:08:34 AM
Turkish people look out for each other, even strangers. I remember a commotion spilling out of a Calis shop - there was an English family and the shop owner arguing very aggressively. As it went into the road, Turkish guys came from all directions to help the shopkeeper. They didn't know (couldn't know) what it was all about but they were there without a second's thought. I remember admiring this unquestioned support for a fellow countryman in need.

This forum does the same, that was part of the whole initial concept - to advise other Brits of good service, or when one of our own had been scammed - and to give everyone the facts and the option to stand shoulder to shoulder with the wronged member.

Of course, when it is against one of the few bad apples over there who is at fault, he will generally not appreciate the noble act of people standing together in the face of wrongdoing.

It takes a reasonable person to appreciate what has taken place in this thread Scunner. I spent a couple of years browsing the forum before deciding it was a good place to be and registering. This has justified that decision. I don't post much mainly because I have nothing to say, but like everyone who has posted here I don't like injustice, and particularly against a countryman/woman.
Title: Re: A Sad Story
Post by: Scunner on November 06, 2016, 11:25:42 AM
Quote
To be honest, you come across guys like this everywhere, not just Fethiye.  In my experience, compared to other areas of Turkey, the level of dishonesty and scams on foreigners in Fethiye and the surrounding areas is a lot lower, especially where property is concerned. 

I wouldn't let it put you off, seriously.

JF

Absolutely - take recommendations from people who have actually been through the process before you. Here's one to kick things off for you: Cenk & Olga at Interturk Estates - www.interturk.co.uk and Mete at Golden Moon Estates www.goldenmoonestate.com/. Good people who would help you not scam you, and well known locally.

Nobody on here has ever recommended this Emre character as far as I recall.
Title: Re: A Sad Story
Post by: Stopfordian on November 06, 2016, 11:29:32 AM
Quote from: JohnF on November 06, 2016, 11:20:31 AM
Quote from: Stopfordian on November 06, 2016, 10:21:24 AM
Not a very good review for anyone willing to invest money in his city. Maybe Jacqui and I need a rethink
About where we choose to spend our time and of course our hard earned retirement fund??

To be honest, you come across guys like this everywhere, not just Fethiye.  In my experience, compared to other areas of Turkey, the level of dishonesty and scams on foreigners in Fethiye and the surrounding areas is a lot lower, especially where property is concerned. 

I wouldn't let it put you off, seriously.
This won't put us off

JF
This won't put us off JF. We have spent many years around Turkey. It just may make a few Turks aware of the impact one bad apple can have upon a lot of livelihoods.
Thanks for the replies,
Title: Re: A Sad Story
Post by: Scunner on November 06, 2016, 11:43:18 AM
Google is so outraged by this sorry tale that it is replying  ;)



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Title: Re: A Sad Story
Post by: madmart on November 06, 2016, 14:52:13 PM
No definitely Emre Kaymanli of Sunshine Cafe and Sun Group John/KKOB - in Calis, Fethiye - you know, in Mugla area of Turkey - Dalaman region. They do pool chemicals, building and maintenance  work, threatening but I do understand not internet. They do take the money for internet installation but Emre Kaymanli of Sunshine Cafe and Sun Group confirmed today they don't actually do the installation bit.

Where is the Googlebot when you need him  :)
Title: Re: A Sad Story
Post by: KKOB on November 06, 2016, 15:01:48 PM
Quote from: madmart on November 06, 2016, 14:52:13 PM
No definitely Emre Kaymanli of Sunshine Cafe and Sun Group John/KKOB - in Calis, Fethiye - you know, in Mugla area of Turkey - Dalaman region. They do pool chemicals, building and maintenance  work, threatening but I do understand not internet. They do take the money for internet installation but Emre Kaymanli of Sunshine Cafe and Sun Group confirmed today they don't actually do the installation bit.

Where is the Googlebot when you need him   :)

Here boy ! Fetch !
Title: Re: A Sad Story
Post by: mercury on November 06, 2016, 16:53:47 PM
Has anyone heard from Arty Mar lately?
Title: Re: A Sad Story
Post by: Scunner on November 06, 2016, 16:58:34 PM
Yes after a long silence Arty posted yesterday in this topic:
http://www.calis-beach.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=61868.msg430763#msg430763
Title: Re: A Sad Story
Post by: foggiestmeldrum on November 06, 2016, 19:40:56 PM
Could the forum not have a Named  and Shamed section for dodgy dealers or call it Dodgy Dealers beware
Title: Re: A Sad Story
Post by: Scunner on November 06, 2016, 21:47:39 PM
It's a decent idea FM, in reality I don't believe it works - in that it works better when these topics appear in the relevant selection - bad hotel experiences in the hotel section, bad property services in the property owners section etc.

The real problem isn't naming names to be honest - it's getting people to search names on the internet before handing cash over to them. That one I can't claim much success on improving over the years.
Title: Re: A Sad Story
Post by: Diverbaz 1 on November 07, 2016, 13:22:07 PM
He is fighting back, just posted a load of pictures on facebook of works in progress/completed. So I asked if he had made enough to pay back the money he stole, and I put a link to this thread. All now have been deleted. Strange that    ;)

He has just written to Kaz saying money was paid back yesterday. Can anyone confirm this? Ohh!!! and he paid it back with money HE EARNED!!!!
Title: Re: A Sad Story
Post by: kevin3 on November 07, 2016, 13:37:05 PM


                                                    Or Borrowed. !!        ;)
Title: Re: A Sad Story
Post by: Scunner on November 07, 2016, 18:17:17 PM
Months on, and a topic viewed by over six and a half thousand different people - I can happily confirm that things have been going on behind the scenes for a few days and

I UNDERSTAND ARTYMAR'S MONEY HAS BEEN REPAID!!!


Emre insists he entrusted another company with the job and paid them the money - and feels he has been done too - but now accepts that it is his responsibility. Artymar had asked for the money to be handed to a friend of hers and it is our understanding that the money has been delivered.

I would ask members to see the positive end to this - Artymar started this topic as a final attempt to get her money repaid, and that aim has been achieved. I will leave the topic open tonight for thoughts and messages to Arty - then lock it as a mission accomplished.

Can I particularly thank our friend Ronnie Higgins (Shamrock, Irish Bar, Coast2Coast Properties) for his significant part in securing this positive outcome - he freely offered to help sort this face to face over there, and sorted it is.

Please...positive comments only? If it gets lairy I'll lock it early!!

Thanks to everyone who rallied to help Artymar, you helped make a difference - she can now concentrate on looking after her poorly husband. Hope this bring a smile to your face Arty   :)
Title: Re: A Sad Story
Post by: JohnF on November 07, 2016, 18:21:36 PM
Well done Ronnie.  All this for 650tl - a salutary lesson for Emre Kaymanli of Sunshine Cafe and Sun Group, don't feck with CBF members  :)

JF
Title: Re: A Sad Story
Post by: Colwyn on November 07, 2016, 18:24:17 PM
Very pleased to see the right result. Also, well done CBF. Any chance of sorting out the AKP Gov next?
Title: Re: A Sad Story
Post by: ArtyMar on November 07, 2016, 18:32:33 PM
Thank you, all at CBF! Without your absolutely extraordinary support, I'm sure I'd still be waiting.
 
Emre emailed me to say he'd left the money with one of the directors at Rainbow, our property care management company but they were closed today so he evidently left it with a neighbouring shop. I'm presuming he left the correct amount but I was going to check when Rainbow open tomorrow -  before posting the good news. He also sent me an apology which I appreciate. I hated having to name and shame but in the end, it was my only resort. Obviously I'm glad that he finally paid up and couldn't understand why he did not do so a lot earlier. That's now all water under the bridge.

I'm very happy to call an end to the matter - and thank you all again. Thank you, Emre.
Title: Re: A Sad Story
Post by: Jacqui Harvey on November 07, 2016, 18:35:13 PM
Well done CBF what would we do without this great Forum??    Best wishes to Arty and hope her husband will recover and they both will look forward now to their life in Turkey with no more problems.
Title: Re: A Sad Story
Post by: marina on November 07, 2016, 19:21:40 PM
Pleased this has all been resolved and send Arty and her husband my best wishes for the future   :)
Title: Re: A Sad Story
Post by: Stopfordian on November 07, 2016, 19:53:58 PM

 That's great news   :)  ;).
Title: Re: A Sad Story
Post by: kevin3 on November 07, 2016, 19:56:39 PM

   Hi Arty, well done and best wishes to you and yours. Well done CBFers. Mission accomplished,

   stand down until next mission.   ;)  ;)  ;)
Title: Re: A Sad Story
Post by: BernieTeyze on November 07, 2016, 20:12:25 PM
Great news Arty. Great Forum.
Title: Re: A Sad Story
Post by: kayakebab on November 07, 2016, 21:09:53 PM
Excellent.

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Title: Re: A Sad Story
Post by: Jack13 on November 07, 2016, 21:21:01 PM
i phoned ronnie on sunday to explain just what had happened. he was totally unaware of the situation. great to see everything has worked out to everyones satisfaction. thanks ronnie and keith for closing this post. cbf strikes again.
Title: Re: A Sad Story
Post by: Scunner on November 07, 2016, 21:33:50 PM
And well done to you Jack for getting involved.
Title: Re: A Sad Story
Post by: trainer on November 07, 2016, 21:38:38 PM
Well done to all who posted just goes to show the power of the forum let this be a lesson to all unscrupulous blagards   :)
Title: Re: A Sad Story
Post by: Scunner on November 07, 2016, 22:05:28 PM
Thank you to all for keeping the mood celebrationary    :)

This topic will be locked now as it is concluded - but it will not be deleted.

I would like to think that as well as achieving a great (and at times unlikely) result, it also serves the bigger purpose to show that some may see yabancis as easy prey - but while they are CBF members they are never alone - people following their dream should never feel exposed, or vulnerable. There's thousands of us and we want to see fair play.

Again, many thanks for the support and unity shown in this topic - it means a hell of a lot to Artymar and to the CBF team.