Calis Beach and Fethiye Turkey Discussion Forum
Information and Services in Turkey Section => Residency in Turkey, Visas, Work Permit Questions => Topic started by: JambeckGill on April 26, 2014, 01:05:07 AM
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I have spent hours researching the latest information on Residency application and today have seen that you will need to get your passport notarised. Please can somebody advise where I can get this done in Fethiye when I arrive next month, and how much it is likely to cost for 2 passports?
I will have an annual travel insurance that provides medical cover for £10 million and it will cover me for the one year Residency. Does anyone know if this will be accepted by the Police?
I have also read that a form has to be signed by the Nufus - sorry what does this mean?
I am not looking forward to this process- if we experience difficulty getting Residency then we will have to return to the UK after 90 days.We own a villa and it's my first few months of retirement where we plan to spend 6 months. We did not envisage these difficulties trying to get Residency!
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Hi - can't give you all your answers but we have some friends who were one of the first through the system this week and in almost the same position as you. They used a "guide" - Yakub was his name (there are others who members may recommend) and said "at this stage (lots of confusion on part of the authorities) you could not do it on your own so we concluded we were right to pay for the guide"
They said for 2 of them it came to 1400 lira and this included 2 x 190 lira for medical insurance which hopefully you won't need to purchase but if you do - it won't break the bank at 190 lira each - interestingly it is called "emergency medical cover" but they nor the guide could work out what it covered - even with the guide reading the policy document - but it was purchased from an insurance broker that the guide had found who did a "cheap option" and the polis accepted it!!!
The passports had to be translated / notorised - I think this was about 100 lira each - they had to go to the Muhtar - this was about 30 lira each - the guide was 150 lira (recent increase!) and the surprise to me was they both had to pay a "tax" of almost 200 lira each.
So if your medical insurance is accepted you should end up at about 1000 lira - including the price of the guide and the actual 1 year residency at 50 lira each - so at current rates £290.
I would identify a good guide and pay it as opposed to getting stressed out and messing up the first flush of retirement.
On a separate note it is beautiful over here at the moment - lovely weather - not too hot - and everywhere looks marvelous with all the road / kordon developments - I am now going to juice the fresh oranges for our breakfast - add fresh strawberries to the cereal followed by fresh bread and jam and this after an early morning walk before going to the Saturday Market - it will add 10 years to your life - so come and enjoy !!! s :)
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Ref passports, you actually need to get them translated & this is done at the notary office, if you've bought property recently, & still have the same passports, you may already have had this done.
Nufus is just one of the offices in the belidiye building, it deals with the population.
However, as Ian has already said, if you use a guide, they will take you to all the necessary offices, fill in your forms & do some of the legwork where your presence isn't needed. IMHO it was worth every kurus, I used Arzu Kantur at A&A Translations.
To be fair, I haven't heard of anyone having their residency application refused, including people who live on boats in the various local marinas, so wouldn't worry too much on that score.
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I'm not nit picking but does your annual travel insurance cover you for 12 months 'holiday' I know there are companies that will cover you for this length of time but does this include non UK residents - which you will become when you move to Turkey surely?
I would go through the small print with a fine tooth comb if I were you. Insurance companies will find any possible way to get out of paying - so best not to give them any options!
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Although I might be wrong Stoop - I would hope most people who prefer to "pay as you go" will continue to do so in spite of the "emergency cover insurance" on offer at 190 tl and others should do what they would normally do as regards personal heath cover - in other words treat this "emergency cover" as not being worth the paper it is written on at this stage but it "ticks a box" and if - God forbid - you end up in hospital and you produce your "emergency cover" first and they tell you this policy will cover the treatment then don't claim on your own insurance.
When it becomes clear just what it covers - we may take a different view - but I will continue to pay SGK for 12 months of the year even though we are only out here for 8 of them - for peace of mind!
Finally I know a few people who take out continuous lots of 4 or 5 or 6 months or longer (backpacker type) travel insurance with Staysure or similar and they ignore some important UK rules about being registered with a doctor / being out of the UK for more days than permitted to maintain your doctor etc etc and like you I have advised them that "if" you make a very large claim they will look under every stone to get out of paying and just asking for your passport - as they will - could land you with a very big problem.
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I believe you only have to pay "tax" for your first application and this has always been the case.
Passports needs to be notarized which is a change but the advantage there is that they no longer send your passport off with your application.
Another change is that applications now go to Ankara instead of Muğla and are returned to your home address, so of course you need to be there for when it arrives.
Muğla used to have the whole thing completed and returned in two weeks under the old system a huge improvement on the 6-8 weeks they used to take.
It will be good to know Ian how long your friends application takes and if it is sent signed for as the delivery of post is a bit hit and miss at the best of times.
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Thankyou for your constructive and useful comments.
Ian-if you're able to please can you send me details of how I can contact Yakub.
If anyone else knows of other good contacts who offer a similar service with residency application perhaps you could send me details. My email address is xxxxxxxx@btinternet.com (gill.motley53@btinternet.com) should you not want to put them on an open forum.
Regarding the medical ins I'm up to speed with this and familiar with the small print. In our circumstances we will be ok with this as we will be in the UK for a period of 6 months which meets the criteria. If required we will purchase the emergency cover in Turkey.
Finally Ian, thankyou for your lovely comments regarding current weather and lifestyle. Looking forward to returning to our beautiful villa in Turkey and getting this residency sorted once and for all!
Nichola - it's good to hear that we won't have to send our passports with the application as we need to pop back to the UK for a quick visit in July.
If anyone can update us when they know the length of time it takes for submission and return of the new completed application process it would be appreciated.
Once again thankyou everyone . :)
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I removed your email address, members can contact you through your profile. Not a good idea to have your email on a forum, too many Spambots regularly scan them.
JF
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Just a quick note.
Are members aware that renewal of residency has to be applied for no later than 10 days after the expire date and NOT 15 days which was the norm before April 1 this 2014.
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Nichola - hi - I will try to update when they get their application returned and as you say it has gone to Ankara.
As regards to the "tax" they have had up until now a 1 year residency so this is their 2nd one year arrangement so maybe the tax is paid "once" from the onset of the new system?
I am sure it will have a few more twists and turns.
JambeckGill - Yakub - I am pretty certain he is based close to the Mulberry Tree in Fethiye but I have seen his name mentioned favourably by other members so hopefully one will provide you with his contact details if not I will get them for you in a few days.
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Why, oh why would a passport need to be notarised. There are only three dates 1) D.O.B. 2) Date of issue and 3) Date of expiry, I always thought that passports could be read internationally! Forgive my scepticism but I just see this as another way of making more money. Ours are due for renewal at the end of March next year, hopefully by then all problems will have been ironed out.
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JBG I have pm'd you Yakup's mobile phone number. It will be in your CBF message folder. By the way if you add your email to your CBF profile people can use that to email you without you making it public.
Marggie I would definitely prefer to pay a few quid than send my passport to Ankara especially as they are going to use the Turkish postal service to return it and not knowing how long it will be before it's returned, although I am hoping they'll use a cargo company but I can't see that.
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Nichola, when you say a few quid, what is the cost?
I believe, correct me if I'm wrong, that paperwork is only being sent to Ankara in the interim period because things have not been set up locally yet - despite the fact that it has been on the cards for one year now.
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I think you can get your passport notarized for about 80-100TL.
Unless I am mistaken and it is possible because I have read something somewhere about a One Stop Shop in Fethiye my understanding was they would be going to Ankara but maybe the regional offices that keep getting mentioned will be issuing the permits and I am wrong. I will be happy to be wrong :)
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It might only be 80 to 100 lira Nichola, but with all the add ons,and people are being confused.with the goal post moving all
The time
I think its putting people off living in Turkey.
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Maybe that's the plan after all this is a nationalist government!
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Just renewed my residency and yes expensive couldnt get 5 years only 1. Passport had to be translated and notorised but when you hand over your documents to the passport police they give you a receipt for your residency and return your passport to you. Without doubt until things have settled down use an official translator its a minefield. As for getting your residency back I asked him how long
the answer maybe 1 week maybe 2 weeks maybe a month in other words he doesnt know, but he said call back in 10 days which to me implies it is delivered to the passport police office from Ankara. I too was led to believe it was posted back to you, anyway I have my passport and receipt for the residency. Hope this helps. Total cost for everything 600tl
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Friends of mine got Carole & Tayfun to do their residency and it took all the stress out of it, wasnt expensive in the big picture, i think they have an office beside the Mulberry tree.
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Interesting article here;
http://kalkan.turkishlocalnews.com/portal/kalkan-news/359884-removal-of-our-article-on-obtaining-residency
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Our RP's are due for renewal end of August, we hope they have sorted it by then, but I won't hold my breath.
At least the prospect of the Police accepting an "emergency insurance cover policy" is encouraging, does anyone know if there are age restrictions for this?
As for getting passports translated and notorized, surely once done you could make several photocopies for future RP renewals, or is that to be a "nice little earner" each year. (As Marggie suggests) She and we are obviously cynical types, might have something to do with having been here a few years.
The Kalkan newspaper article makes interesting reading - thanks.
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Post ıt back to your address. They wıll be lucky here ,we dont have a postman never have. I thınk you wıll fınd that 50tl ıs for the new card and 200tl ıs for a years resıdency not tax, but you pay for ıt at the tax offıce.
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Not wishing to be the harbinger of doom - I was in an insurance brokers office in Fethiye yesterday sorting out my house / buildings & contents / dask and motorbike insurance.
I know from reading other sources that from Bodrum to Alanya many people are taking up the cheap "emergency cover insurance" at prices from 105 to 180 lira to submit with their applications - so.......
Whilst there the lady serving me took a call from someone in the polis - might have been an officer or a "guide" but either way she said to me "we have been issuing emergency cover accident insurance for 180 lira to help people get around the health insurance requirements - it covers for emergencies up to 10,000 lira - a number of people have used them last week to get a one year residency but the polis now say Ankara have been in touch and said it is not enough cover" - "so I have proposed another policy at 350 lira which covers anyone up to age 60 for 30,000 lira emergency cover and they have said - ok - that should be ok"
So in some towns that "cheap option" may be falling down already and what happens to those initial applications then?" - Chaotic to say the least..........
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I had my application 'approved' and sent to Ankara last week for a 1 year extension to the 3 year permit that expired on 29 April, and I had included a medical cover by a Turkish broker, I can only hope that this is accepted in Ankara. I can only hope that my permit is returned sometime in the near future, I am now splitting my time between Fethiye and Marmaris (I sail in the summer and would like to get going, and had hoped to check out to Greece before 16th June when the Yachts annual transit log expires - more paperwork). Anyway, whilst my neighbours are all keeping their eyes peeled should my permit be lobbed into the complex by the post man....I should be grateful if any member could post an alert when they start being returned from Ankara. Thanks in advance.
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An update:
http://issuu.com/ukinturkey/docs/residency_issues_q_a.docx (http://issuu.com/ukinturkey/docs/residency_issues_q_a.docx)
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I submitted my residency application on the 25th April along with my emergency health cover 105 tl .
I have today received a phone call informing me that this is not acceptable. Does anyone know what
is acceptable and how much it is.
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We finally managed to do ours yesterday (well get it approved to be sent to Ankara anyway). The passport police will not accept the application without comprehensive health insurance. The cost is dependent on sex and age
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We. Are trying to get comprehensive insurance at the moment, broker we got hasnt had any luck,
We are 73/72 so it looks like a trip out of turkey for visa stamp,as emergency insurance not being accepted,
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That appears to be a problem as the insurance quotes we saw only went up to about age 62. We were lucky as that is fine for us. However, at the moment, there does not appear to habe been any thought given to people who are older than this. Hopefully they will sort it out soon.
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So is their anybody out there who has applied for residency under the new rules and regs and has Full Insurance had there's returned successfully?
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I am also part of the nightmare of trying to renew my residency, after being informed that the emergency health cover 105 tl is no longer being excepted, and that I would need comprehensive health insurance. she also told me that some people were getting insurance for about 600tl but that also will not be excepted by Ankara, She was talking to the harbour police who said they are taking the applications but have not sent them off to Ankara yet. I am 59yrs and have been quoted 6000tl for total cover (outpatient, G.P, Day care & Inpatient) I was also told by the insurance agent that I could not get SGK as I need a valid 1yr residency when I have had a 3yr residency she said that I need to have 1yr left on it to get SGK. But how can you get that as you can now only get 1yr and you need to buy private health insurance then at the same time at the start of your new residency get the SGK, ie pay twice. this is mad. Now with all this change I am running out of time so I am going out to get a visa so that I will have another 3mths to try to sort this mess out :(
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We saw Yakup yesterday and he advised us to wait another week to see if there are any further changes!. He has been unable to make any applications for other clients as the Police will Only accept the comprehensive ins cover. It is Very frustrating that we have Worlwide Full Comprehensive Ins Medical cover for £10 million that we are prepared to have notarised and this won't be accepted. is our first TR application and unclear what will happen IF the Police allow us to make an application and we don't receive it back from Ankara by the time our 90 day evisa expires, I wonder whether we will be able to stay in Turkey pending our TR being returned?? After all we can't even purchase another evisa until November.
I have spent further time researching all other sites/ Embassies etc but no answers. It would be nice if we had some support from the UK embassy- perhaps I've missed something.
It's a shame that the Government are implementing this in such a disorganised manner and not taking into account that foreigners have spent a thousands of £s on properties.
I hope that people who are thinking of moving to Turkey or buying property here read this information before they go ahead because it is very worrying and TOTALLY unacceptable.
Where is the support in all this?
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JambeckGill, you ask "where is the support in this" ..... well the simple answer is that there isn't any. We had the same fiasco back in Jan 2012 over SGK, now this.
The British Embassy/Consulate seem to be the last to know anything about what is happening here to their citizens and the Turkish government seem to take a delight in bringing in half assed laws without prior thought or consultation with the people they will affect. Welcome to Turkey LOL.
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I agree the British consulate couldn't care less,
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of course they care, check out the link
http://www.fethiyetimes.com/news/44-news/11501-trafalgar-square-host-first-ever-turkish-day.html
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Law number 6458 Law on foreigners and international protection (residence permits) In English
http://www.goc.gov.tr/files/files/eng_minikanun_5_son.pdf
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Thanks for that Eric
Clear as mud
33c states you will be refused short term RP if you have been out of Turkey for more than 120 days in previous year
Yet you can have a short term RP for periods up to 12 months. Surely anyone who takes an RP for less than 8 months will then fall foul of 33c?????
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I know this sounds awful but if you are in your sixties/seventies then do you really expect a foreign country to allow you to live there and pay for your health requirements?
Medical insurance will cost the earth at that age and they will completely bar any existing conditions without excessive premiums.
It's ok trying to circumnavigate the problem with a cheap policy but if this is accepted (which it seems it won't be now) then what happens when you become seriously ill and it won't cover you?
Sorry to be so blunt but many many countries would have the same stance.
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Whilst I fully agree with your sentiments Stoop, I think the big problem is that, as things stand, no insurers are willing to offer the level of cover that is currently being demanded. Not at any price.
Therefore, people over 70 who are more than willing to pay for insurance cover, or who have the financial means to pay for any medical needs as they go are, in effect, going to be exiled without any option to stay whatsoever. That, I think, is a very harsh indeed.
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Friends of ours put in for 1 year resedency (in Fethiye) 2 weeks ago with emergency insurance only -residencys back yesterday all ok.
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Well good luck to them Evie,just shows what a b---ls up it is in Ankara
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Evie where did they get insurance how much and how old are they please. :)
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Friends of ours put in for 1 year resedency (in Fethiye) 2 weeks ago with emergency insurance only -residencys back yesterday all ok.
Well that is good news, really pleased for them and hope others have the same outcome. It's been traumatic enough for those applying and testing out the new system in the first phase of this.
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Please take time to read the various posts/articles regarding the General Directorate of Migration Management and residence permits on the UK in Turkey facebook page to see what the British Embassy, our Ambassador and the consular team are working on in respect of the difficulties British nationals are currently facing during this transition period following the introduction of the new Law on Foreigners and Internatinal Protection.
To say you have no support or that the consulate do not care is wrong, as an expat myself I am ensuring that our teams are doing as much as they can to help, but it is the Turkish authorities that determine the laws and the process of gaining clarity and definition to ensure consistency of rule application and understanding is a slow and difficult process. As soon as we receive information it is published, firstly on UK in Turkey facebook page and then on our website GOV.UK.
If you wish to contact us please do so on britembcon@fco.gov.uk.
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Stopping the ten days grace and bringing in full insurance strait. Away,before anyone knew what is happening
Is not a slow process, tell that to over 30 people,on the Meis ferry,Wedensday pannicking,to get a visa,
And all the expats that have families coming out to visit them in the summer months.
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No use having a go at the FCO, their hands are tied by what the various ministries in Turkey decide, and lets face it... it is Turkey we're talking about here. If you wanted an easy ride with residency, health cover etc then there are numerous EU countries to choose from. Jumping through hoops has always been part of the RP process, and that fact that no-one knows which hoop they have to jump through just now is all part of the charm of living in Turkey, so I've been told.
Stoop is bang on the money in respect of health insurance. What happens when you do need care and find out the "policy" you used to obtain residency isn't worth an elastoplast at the ezcane? The way they've gone about it is so typically Turkish, but I must confess that I agree with the sentiment of the new regulations.
JF
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I also agree with the sentiment, to live here without insurance is risky although the risk isn't for the Turkish system to pay for your treatment, it's the individual who would get a huge bill.
The number of times I hear people say they would go back to UK for treatment, well, if it was a heart attack, stroke etc that would be impossible.
So I totally agree that people should have cover, but... Feel dreadfully sorry for people over 70 and those who cannot get cover due to pre existing conditions.
Those people, need to decide if they take the gamble and stay and examine whether they could afford to pay for their treatment should the worse happen.
I don't believe it's for the Government to make it compulsory. ( although it doesn't say it is compulsory anywhere in the legislation anyway)
What's wrong is that the different areas are making up their own rules or don't know the new rules because the body who should be dealing with it isn't in place yet.
Also I feel sorry for those who've had to surrender their blue books and are technically illegal now and are being told they shouldn't leave the country til it's sorted.
God forbid they had an emergency and needed to fly back.
What worries me most is WHY it's changed to one year, whats the agenda???
What's to say they couldn't stop issuing residency altogether one day, its scary and very unsettling.
What's also bad is all the insurance people jumping on the bandwagon and selling policies without knowing if they're fit for purpose and giving people false hopes.
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What worries me most is WHY it's changed to one year, whats the agenda???
Think politics, as opposed to pure immigration issues...
JF
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Yes...
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After all the stress we have today had our application accepted by the Passport Police in Fethiye. It was a straight forward process that cost us 3700TL for the two of us which includes health insurance. Our passports were notarised which we were happier with knowing that we can still leave the country in an emergency, plus they won't be lying on a desk somewhere in Ankara. When we visited the Police in Fethiye they told us exactly what we needed, including the comprehensive medical cover. We were quite happy to pay this as we have the peace of mind and we can now start to enjoy our retirement by spending 6 months this year in our villa.
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JBG I have pm'd you Yakup's mobile phone number. It will be in your CBF message folder. By the way if you add your email to your CBF profile people can use that to email you without you making it public.
Marggie I would definitely prefer to pay a few quid than send my passport to Ankara especially as they are going to use the Turkish postal service to return it and not knowing how long it will be before it's returned, although I am hoping they'll use a cargo company but I can't see that.
Please be aware that the translators may charge 150tl (this is what they charge for going from a to b with your paperwork) but there are additional costs for translations of papers that need to be noterized. The final bill will be higher than you first think so get the translator to be transparent with his hidden costs.
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Why, oh why would a passport need to be notarised. There are only three dates 1) D.O.B. 2) Date of issue and 3) Date of expiry, I always thought that passports could be read internationally! Forgive my scepticism but I just see this as another way of making more money. Ours are due for renewal at the end of March next year, hopefully by then all problems will have been ironed out.
Its not your passport that is being notarised, its the copy.
Unfortunately in Turkey the law is that when a foreigner does business at a Notars, there must be a translator present to ensure the foreigner is aware of what they are signing.
I know it doesn't work in Fethiye but usually 30-50tl under the table will get your business done without the need of a translator. When we first set up our company in Istanbul I actually spent more in bribes that day than I did on beer. That situation is most unusual - but it saved us several hundred lira's worth of a superfluous translator (over several visits to notar) telling us what we knew already.
JF
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With respect I do not understand some of the responses to my post in relation to the recent residency application etc. I was merely advising that it was very straightforward, no problem having our passports translated and notarised- we were in the Notary office 15 mins. The whole process took us 5 hours which included visiting the Police beforehand to confirm exactly what we needed in order to submit our application that day, together with a visit to the Insurance Broker to complete the documentation for the two medical policies.
I thought the CBF was a useful means to help and support each other. It's a shame that there are people who find it necessary to be critical and make unnecessary negative comments when they respond.
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Was you health ins expensive?
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With respect I do not understand some of the responses to my post in relation to the recent residency application etc. I was merely advising that it was very straightforward, no problem having our passports translated and notarised- we were in the Notary office 15 mins. The whole process took us 5 hours which included visiting the Police beforehand to confirm exactly what we needed in order to submit our application that day, together with a visit to the Insurance Broker to complete the documentation for the two medical policies.
I thought the CBF was a useful means to help and support each other. It's a shame that there are people who find it necessary to be critical and make unnecessary negative comments when they respond.
You have only made 20 posts on The Forum, and you are complaining about what you term " negative responses " ? I think, no, re-phrase, I KNOW that, if you give The Forum time, you will find it, & it's members, to be a fountain of useful information. Not everyone will agree with everything you have to say, but rest assured, you will soon learn to appreciate exactly what The Forum is, an oracle of free, relevant information. Enjoy it, my friend.
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My residency expired 25th April it has travelled more miles than me.I now have full health cover 2,215tl fully inclusive. My origional one was refused it apparrently did not give me enough cover when you get yours back successfully feel free to gloat. Mine was away 3 weeks before we were told it was unacceptable.
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Loiner - I can't think that anyone will gloat over you paying whatever for health cover. It's good you have got cover that has been accepted at a premium you are happy with.
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Exactly.
Comprehensive cover, fully inclusive for less than £2 a day is well worth it for total peace of mind
Btw - I know of quotes over 3 times what you paid
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Loiner could you please tell where you got your insurance from. TiA
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Well done loiner,getting your insurance but I don't know anybody over 70 that's got it,
I went to Meis yesterday and got a 90 day visa,I was 3 day's over on my residency,also met a
Dutch person on the trip he was 6days over his time,but got our visas' with no fines or problems,
The cost for trip and visa,for two of us was 106 euros,so hopefully this will tide us over till
We know for definite what's' happening about the residency,
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my translator said yesterday that someone with emergency health insurance ( mine cost 120tl) has now received their 1 year residency. I applied 1 week ago,still waiting.
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I was phoned last thursday and told that my application had been turned down because of the emergency cover was not acceptable so I took out the full cover for1723 lire. I have not yet been to the passport police with the new policy I intended to go down on Monday. Just 5 mins ago a PTT van pulled up outside our appartment and delivered my wifes and my residency which we had to sign for. I did my insurance through Cagri nebioglu First floor where the consulate is. There are a few insurance offices there his says insurance agency.Hope this clears everything up. Clear as mud.
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Lioner was that for a years residency and was that price for one or two people .thanks.
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The price was for each person which is very reasonable. We could cancel it as it is not needed but its better to feel secure knowing you are fully covered
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The other thing that confuses me is I paid for 1 years residency mine commences 26th April 2014 and finishes 25th March 2015 to my mind that makes 11 months and not 12. The other thing is check the residence card to make sure the details are correct mine has the wrong date of birth on it. The card does not carry your picture on it so should you travel abroad and the details dont match the passport you can guess what will happen. I have been told to return it to Ankara for replacing.
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Our Turkish friend sorted the medical cover out through Ankara Ins, he was also advised by the Passport Police that medical cover was being accepted by this Provider.It cost approx 1200TL for my husband and 1700 TL for myself. It was calculated by age groups and we came into the 56 - 60 yr band. I thought that it was strange for the female to be more expensive! We were more than happy with this and it meant that we could put an application in for our TR.
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When I took out my insurance I was told that it's more expensive for women's because of the incidence of female cancers.
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Any chance of Ankara ins phone nos or address thanks. :)
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We went to Uckunlar Sigorta Ve Aracilik Hizm in Gunlukbasi (on LHS from Fethiye before the traffic lights at the turning for Uzumlu ) tel 0252 613 55 60. I hope this helps.