Calis Beach and Fethiye Turkey Discussion Forum
Property For Sale in Calis Beach & Turkey => Moving To Turkey => Topic started by: garyo on October 14, 2004, 17:23:53 PM
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Can you still draw your disability pension from the UK if you are living in Turkey?
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no you can't
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We have been told that it is still possible to draw incapacity benefit it you have been on it a long time is this true?
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No you can't
You are suppose to advise them if you leave the country, even on holiday. No-body does but officially you should.
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Yes it is possible in certain circumstances to get certain benefits whilst in Turkey but as always the rules are complex. If you go to the DWP web site it will give you information and also contact numbers for further information. Hope this helps
Janet
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The question was about Incapacity Benefit.
This you cannot get.
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The question was about Disability Pension. Incapacity Benefit is different and the rules are as follows for IB:
I go to live abroad or visit?
Let us know as soon as you can that you are going abroad. You can usually do this by contacting your Jobcentre Plus office or social security office.
If you are going abroad permanently, you may be able to get a benefit for incapacity if you are going to a country within the EEA or one that has a social security agreement with the UK covering incapacity for work.
If your stay abroad is temporary, you can get Incapacity Benefit paid abroad for the first 26 weeks if:
* you have gone abroad only for treatment of an illness or disability which began before you went abroad (pregnancy itself is not counted as an illness), or
* you were incapable of work for at least 6 months before you left the United Kingdom (UK) and have been continuously incapable of work since then.
You may be able to get Incapacity Benefit paid abroad for more than 26 weeks if your stay abroad is temporary and you get Attendance Allowance or Disability Living Allowance.
You may be able to get a benefit for incapacity in a country that has a two-way agreement with the UK. For more information, contact your local Jobcentre Plus or social security office.
For Disability Living Allowance:
To get Disability Living Allowance you must be in Great Britain, or be treated as living here, and meet certain other conditions about your residence and presence.
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Stoop
I moved here 3 years ago.
My Incapacity Benefit and Disability Living Allowance were stopped the day I moved here, because I was honest and told them I was going to live in Turkey.
Crabbit
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Dave,
I'm only quoting the DWP website.
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And I`m only speaking from experience.
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Dave,
I've also been on IB and can speak from experience as well. Unfortunately the DWP try their damndest to stop people claiming IB which means that the only way to stay on it is to play the system. I was given it and then it was taken away but I went to see a solicitor at the CAB and after an appeal I got it back again.
It can be claimed abroad if you fit the criteria. Funnily enough if you are an immigrant in the UK and have not paid a penny in NI contributions you can still claim it.
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Any one know what the criteria is?
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Stoop
Sorry, I didn`t realise that you had moved to Turkey.
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Crabbit
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stoops last line in last post says it all
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Mercury - I copied the wording below from the DWP website - it might be worth looking on there to see what's required.
"If you are going abroad permanently, you may be able to get a benefit for incapacity if you are going to a country within the EEA or one that has a social security agreement with the UK covering incapacity for work.
If your stay abroad is temporary, you can get Incapacity Benefit paid abroad for the first 26 weeks if:
* you have gone abroad only for treatment of an illness or disability which began before you went abroad (pregnancy itself is not counted as an illness), or
* you were incapable of work for at least 6 months before you left the United Kingdom (UK) and have been continuously incapable of work since then.
You may be able to get Incapacity Benefit paid abroad for more than 26 weeks if your stay abroad is temporary and you get Attendance Allowance or Disability Living Allowance.
You may be able to get a benefit for incapacity in a country that has a two-way agreement with the UK. For more information, contact your local Jobcentre Plus or social security office."
As I said above, past experience tell me that the DWP will try anything they can to refuse payment so I wouldn't hold out too much hope.
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Thanks Stuart. We are selling up in the U.K so not relying on it but will look into it. Anne x
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I give up
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Nobody could say you didn't try!
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Anne,
I would try the CAB as well. They were a great help to me when I had my IB stopped.
Stu
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I just found this website - read page 11 and 12 as it gives lots of info on the agreements between the UK and Turkey.
http://www.dwp.gov.uk/lifeevent/benefits/recip_health_pdfs/2005/sa22-oct05.pdf
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quote:
Originally posted by Crabbit
Stoop
Sorry, I didn`t realise that you had moved to Turkey.
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Crabbit
I didn't realise moving to Turkey would make me an expert in the UK benefits system - maybe that's where I've gone wrong :)
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Crabbits posting is correct - they will stop benefits as I found out when I investigated this with the benefits people - anything not to pay out
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Thanks again Stu for the effort U put into answering my question it is much appreciated. Maybe I shouldn't give up without trying. I have spoken to the people in Newcastle who put me on to the International benefits section. They say that if you are chronically sick. ie on DLA high rate you can clain IB in Turkey. However he is only on middle rate so I don't know yet. I will let you know how we get on but I am not holding my breath. Yes Crabbit you are sometimes very trying. (but funny). x
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Anne,
It will be interesting to see if anything has changed since the Social Securty Agreement bewtween the UK and Turkey came into effect. I know damn well they will try there best not to pay you and if you have a Personal or Company Pension that you are being paid then you might as well forget it as they will reduce the IB dramatically based on your pension income (as I found out to my dismay earlier this year).
Those that have moved to Turkey and had their IB stopped are obviously more knowledgeable with regards to claiming IB (or trying to) in Turkey but things do change and it's always worth having a go at them just to see what there latest stance is regarding benefits.
Stoop
ps - Crabbit is usually correct but never say never -lol
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Don't for goodness sake let Crabbit know that he is usually correct we will never hear the end of it. X
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Originally posted by mercury
Don't for goodness sake let Crabbit know that he is usually correct we will never hear the end of it. X
:D:D
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when discussing benefits please be careful in the terminology you are using. There is no such benefit as Disability Benefit! incapacity benefit, disability living allowance, attendance allowance, industrial injuries disablement benefit and income support are the correct names.please if you are looking anything up on websites please ensure you look at the goverment websites, yes they are long and confusing but if you follow the wrong advise you could find you owe money back or in some cases you may you be ok. The best you can do is to talk to your local office or contact the newcastle office that deals with overseas payments.
Stoop you,ve done well in quoting the website but you are wrong in one thing people who have NOT paid National insurance cannot get incapacity benefit - i should know i worked for 20 years for the DWP as it is now called,dealing with customers who were sick or injured.
People who do not pay into the scheme either get income support or disabilty living allowance and they have to have the correct paper work to say they can stay, or are waiting for a decision to say they can stay in the uk, which is the immigration office.
Please don,t get caught out as it is normally your ''friendly neighbour'' who looks after things for you that will report you to your local office.Pegs