Calis Beach and Fethiye Turkey Discussion Forum
Flights, Airlines and Airports => Flights to Dalaman and Turkey, Airlines and Airports => Topic started by: madmart on May 16, 2019, 07:24:16 AM
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Just announced they have lost £1.45 billion
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Did you tell 'em to have a look down the back of the sofa ?
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No chance at the back of mine. Perhaps they could try Scunner's!
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Blaming Brexit.
https://www.bbc.com/news/business-48292318?intlink_from_url=https://www.bbc.com/news/business&link_location=live-reporting-story
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Nothing to do with their reputation for delayed flights and lousy service then
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in my recent travel trade paper it stated that last year 137 T C flights were delayed by more than 3 hours that's part of the losses, take our flight last june for example more than 3 hours delay on the return flight, x that my average 180 passengers each way, x that by £350 per person each way IF they all claimed, there goes thousands ££ loss for just one flight
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They aren't my favourite airline but I'm very grateful that they provide an off season service between Dalaman and Manchester.
It would be awful to lose yet another airline.
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They aren't my favourite airline but I'm very grateful that they provide an off season service between Dalaman and Manchester.
It would be awful to lose yet another airline.
They plan to sell the airline in order to pay for more Thomas Cook branded hotels.
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TC have ploughed a lot of money into hotels recently and many that were upgraded and refurbished three years ago are being given another makeover next year.
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I’m with Menthol re TC really hope all turns out ok if we lose Tommy Cook from Gatwick espec out of season wel be left with Easyjet and Thompson for direct flights think that’s it!
Ridiculous when you think how much money was spent on new airport terminal and it’s still no easier 2 get here!
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Yes a lot of Expats rely on TC for flights during winter time,
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Yes this is something I have previously highlighted and love or hate them, without them the option for winter flights then fall onto Turkish Airlines etc with long gaps between their Int'/Internal flights.
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It's not looking good tonight. Skyscanner and Travel Republic have removed all TC flights.
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It’s going to be such a sad day ( in my opinion) if Tommy Cook don’t get thru this, all those folk who will lose their jobs and from a selfish point of view yet another option to get here will be lost...
I have to agree with you MarKar it’s not looking good is it...
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Nobody in their right mind would lend a company that's already £1.7Billion in debt, a further £200Million. The chances of them surviving today are pretty much zero.
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Won't this be the second time the Government have bailed them out, I recall them doing it around 8/10 yes ago. Would that bail out of been repaid?.
While it's sad for many, you can't keep through ING money at a lost caused.
And just out curiosity why would you when it's then to be sold to a foreign company.
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Won't this be the second time the Government have bailed them out, I recall them doing it around 8/10 yes ago. Would that bail out of been repaid?.
While it's sad for many, you can't keep throwing money at a lost caused.
And just out curiosity why would you when it's then to be sold to a foreign company.
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Not sure why my post has come up as a quote lol ;D ;D
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So TC say “bail us out to the tune of £200 million OR it will cost £600 million to repatriate U.K. customers”. The government haven’t bailed out the NHS so I can’t see them, with all their ongoing problems, bailing out TC. I am upset for people caught up in this. I worked in Corfu when XL and Kosmar went into administration. It was horrendous for guests and staff.
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What gets me though is that the £200m is to enable Forsun to bail out company. Yes its a lot of money - but the Civil Aviation Authority have earmarked £600m to repatriate people stuck on holiday.
Now I'm not one for bailing out companies that are basket cases but surely it would make sense to loan them the £200m and risk losing that rather than spend £600m on repatriation? It's not public money after all.
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The exact point which my OH has been trying to make over the last 24 hours Stoop. (on fb! : :) ) to him it's a no brainer. But not getting many to agree with him.
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Having experienced closures with Sunseekers and Monarch and a close shave with Cyprus/Turkish airlines, I have great sympathy with anyone caught up
in this. Unfortunately as I see it even with a bail out Who will have the confidence once again to book with TC. Sadly I think it's only a matter of time before a final closure.
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The exact point which my OH has been trying to make over the last 24 hours Stoop. (on fb! : :) ) to him it's a no brainer. But not getting many to agree with him.
I think many people don’t agree with bailing out failing companies and I can understand that. However we are talking 19,000 staff worldwide 9,000 Uk based. It’s a massive company.
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I agree, the Monarch crash 2 years ago was bad enough, and we got caught out in that so have every sympathy with people having flights booked with TC. But I don't think everyone will be aware just how big it is and the implications if it can't be rescued.
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And they are the UK longest trading airline maybe that doesn’t count to a lot of people but to me (to you) it should count for something...
As Stoop has said this money is to enable Forsun to bail TC out.
Here is to hoping, it’s going to be so ludicrously hard to get here from uk ( direct flights) and we are going to have to find another destination for our January holiday as we are just not going to be able to get here if they go belly up :(
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....the banks are now demanding that Thomas Cook arrange an extra £200m financing facility to see the firm through what is expected to be an extremely tough winter for the UK travel industry.
Ironic that RBS, which was bailed out using taxpayers money, is leading the negotiations given their own dismal track record.
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I did a search at their website earlier and for Fethiye - a week in August 2020, TC gave me a choice of 1 hotel...
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Can anyone explain the exact reason for ATOL or ABTA if it isn't security to get you home if the company folds. If that's the case then why is it going to cost the Government 100 million to get people home surely this should be coming out of the ATOL and ABTA insurance pot.
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I've booked a Thomas Cook flight or hotel outside a package. Am I covered?
Hotel bookings. You are not covered by Atol, Abta or package holiday protection if Thomas Cook goes bust. You may have protection if you paid on plastic, see the 'Did you pay on credit or debit card?' section below.
Flights booked online or by phone. You are not covered by Atol, Abta or package holiday protection if Thomas Cook goes bust. You may have protection if you paid on plastic, see the 'Did you pay on credit or debit card?' section below.
Flights booked at a Thomas Cook shop. These will be Atol-protected. If Thomas Cook goes under, you can continue your holiday if abroad or get a refund if still in the UK.
Money Saving Expert
https://www.moneysavingexpert.com/news/2011/11/qa-how-safe-is-thomas-cook/
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I'm pretty sure none of that is true.
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I've booked a Thomas Cook flight or hotel outside a package. Am I covered?
Hotel bookings. You are not covered by Atol, Abta or package holiday protection if Thomas Cook goes bust. You may have protection if you paid on plastic, see the 'Did you pay on credit or debit card?' section below.
Flights booked online or by phone. You are not covered by Atol, Abta or package holiday protection if Thomas Cook goes bust. You may have protection if you paid on plastic, see the 'Did you pay on credit or debit card?' section below.
Flights booked at a Thomas Cook shop. These will be Atol-protected. If Thomas Cook goes under, you can continue your holiday if abroad or get a refund if still in the UK.
Money Saving Expert
https://www.moneysavingexpert.com/news/2011/11/qa-how-safe-is-thomas-cook/
That's not what the definition of ATOL (and ABTA) says if you Google it.
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Thomas Cook Chief Executive 'remained silent' when he left the crisis meeting shortly before 5.30pm today.
No idea whether that would be a good sign or not but I would think maybe not :( hope I'm wrong
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ITV appear to be saying that it's all over for TC. Whilst I don't like the firm it's a shocking for anyone who has booked with them and the staff involved.
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Royal Bank of Scotland bailed them out to the tune of £650 million. You cannot keep throwing money into a bottomless pit. Mismanagement of funds, embarking on building projects and hotel refurbishments on condition that hotels adopt the “Smartline” logo hasn’t helped their situation. Such a shame for all their employees who probably won’t get paid despite soldering on.
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Well it is confirmed that Thomas Cook have gone out of business after talks
Collapsed last night ,feel very sorry for people who have booked with them.
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How will holidaymakers get home?
All customers currently abroad with Thomas Cook who are booked to return to the UK over the next two weeks will be brought home "as close as possible" to their booked return date, the Department for Transport (DfT) has said.
Customers will be on special free flights or booked onto another scheduled airline at no extra cost.
Flights will start operating from Monday, with details of each flight to be posted on a dedicated website as soon as they are available.
Remember anyone due home beyond two weeks won’t get repatriated. Same when Monarch went.
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https://thomascook.caa.co.uk/customers/if-you-are-currently-abroad/guidance-by-destination/
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After looking at the flight only options for next year we decided to book an AI in Ovacik for June next year..
Not exactly Calis but close enough for us to get to our beloved Fethiye..
Also after swearing never to use TC again We booked with First Choice who happened to have day flights
yes you guessed it. With TC. ( We don't do night flights anymore.) Depending on what First choice come up with flight wise it looks like we may not make it again. .
On a less selfish note.. I worry for the hotels and businesses in Turkey this year.
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I imagine other airlines will pick up a lot of the vacant slots, weren't thompson (now TUI) in partnership with first choice. Can't imagine tour operates wanting to lose business if other flight can be arranged.
Just thinking about it we did a shirt break to Portugal through first choice and flew on with easyjet so mayby they'll pick up some of the flights.
Where are you flying from? I'd love to see easyjet fly out from more UK airports.
Hoping some good may come from this.
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Royal bank of scotland probably have some directors that are also on the board at thomas cook.dont wonder rbs get themselves in the mire.and dont forget its partly state owned.
Rbs is hardly in a position to bail out anybody.
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Hi all just found out that condor the german wing of TC is still flying from germany to all over spain turkey ect when i flew out this year with TC the plane was logoed condor and my paperwork was headed condor ,it turns out the german goverment bailed out this part of the group as it was forecasted to have a good financial outlook,and just another point after many complaints of airlines increasig their prices just because of supply and demand i have been looking to fly bham to dalaman 18 august to 6 september 2020 and the price with a case and seats was £520 single ,i have just checked and guess what the price has now dropped to £480 this was with jet2 ,the same dates with TUI is over £600 just how much longer will this go on and all before brexit takes hold god help the families prices turkey will lose out big time
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Condor, legally incorporated as Condor Flugdienst GmbH, is a German leisure airline based in Frankfurt and a subsidiary of the insolvent Thomas Cook Group. They have been given a E380m subsidy by the German government,
Condor has about 50 planes currently in operation and, according to the German government, were a far better bet to put money into than TC. There are also a couple of other German based Thomas Cook offshoot companies that'll continue to trade with customers in Europe and Scandinavia.
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Hi all just found out that condor the german wing of TC is still flying from germany to all over spain turkey ect when i flew out this year with TC the plane was logoed condor and my paperwork was headed condor ,it turns out the german goverment bailed out this part of the group as it was forecasted to have a good financial outlook,and just another point after many complaints of airlines increasig their prices just because of supply and demand i have been looking to fly bham to dalaman 18 august to 6 september 2020 and the price with a case and seats was £520 single ,i have just checked and guess what the price has now dropped to £480 this was with jet2 ,the same dates with TUI is over £600 just how much longer will this go on and all before brexit takes hold god help the families prices turkey will lose out big time
What's Brexit got to do with this? TC has been losing money for years and well before the referendum.
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Bizzare...
Package holiday cheaper than flight only (October dates)....
Ian
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Nothing bizarre about it Ian. You often see packages advertised as cheaper than flight only. Many people book the packages and then, on arrival at the destination, tell the rep that they won't be using the hotel but going to their own or friend's properties.