Calis Beach and Fethiye Turkey Discussion Forum
General Topics => Football => Topic started by: Highlander on March 05, 2013, 22:02:28 PM
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1. was the red card decision correct and
2. was Mourinho's comment about the best team losing his honest opinion or really wicked
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1. No
2. The best team won
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Yes - a little harsh but Yes and Yes without a doubt the best team won
Ps The special one was getting his cv across to his new employers as an example of how he has changed and can be humble in victory
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1. Yes.
2. Didn't see most of it.
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"and can be humble in victory" - aye right - you surely forgot the wink smilie Ian :)
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1. Yes
2. No
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the best team won
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I would just like to point out that my second question has alternatives :)
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He was doing what Fergie always does and playing mind games. Of course, he did not mean it.
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"and can be humble in victory" - aye right - you surely forgot the wink smilie Ian :)
Quite right as usual ;)
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Probably the worst sending-off decision by a so-called 'professional', that I've seen for a long time. And by the way, the 'better' team won, there were only 2 teams playing, not 3 or more !! Get your grammar sorted out !! ;)
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Could be classed as dangerous play which is red? Brave ref to give it there!
Only saw highlights and it looked 50/50 to me.
Bad losers though. No dignity at all - apart from maybe Ferdinand and we must have taught him that at Leeds ;)
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apart from Ferdinand ??????
did he not mockingly applaud the rereree - and right up and full on into his face :o
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Well he did eventually shake hands withe the officials.
Maybe he was embarrassed by his applause in the refs face?
The reason I dislike that club so much is due to the players being the image of their horrible manager.
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1) Absolutely wrong decision.
2) The full team won, otherwise who knows?
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1. No
2. Yes
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the red card was the right decision, the referee gives his judgement on what he sees, he doesnt get the benefit of slow motion from 8 different camera angles, so the decision was his honest opinion and nobodies opinion is wrong.
The best team did win as they scored more goals, the pressure was mounting before the sending off it's not Joses or the referees fault Man u collapsed because one player got sent off.
How can it bee the worst decision when people differ between a yellow or a red?
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Good prediction from Des though, man utd player sent off and a 2-1 madrid win, although i got the players name wrong, meant to say Nani. ;)
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Nani's foot was up long before the defender ran straight into it - it's a little like the bit in Blackadder where he tells Baldrink he is too tired to punch him, and requests he runs into his fist quite fast. I think the defender did a brilliant job of getting booted.
Remember, if this is dangerous play, overhead kicks are all red card offences and should be stopped.
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1. The sending off I was surprised, but we have had this ref before and I knew what to expect. He sen Mario against Kiev in the Europa cup, for a less dangerous tackle. The own goal shouldn,t have been allowed, Van Persie was offside when he received the ball. The sending off over saw the main change in the game, which was the substitution that saw Modrich enter the game. I have no Idea of what goes on in the head of Mourinho whether it be praise for a defeated United or eye gauging the opponents trainer. Best team did win. Oh and I thought Ferguson and Ferdinand should have shown a little more class in defeat.
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Mourinho was so friendly with Fergie last night and so humble in his winning, praising M.U. It's obvious he is buttering up the fans and the staff as he wants Fergie's job. However, he may have a long wait as I cannot see Fergie ever leaving. They will have to carry him out feet first. ;)
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Ex ref Dermott Galagher says it was dangerous play but he would have given a yellow.
The rules state dangerous play is a red! Even Roy Keane says it was a red.
No wonder players are confused when our ex top ref doesn't know the rules himself!
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The turkish ref was brave to give the sending off decision I feel it was right and the best team won,and i feel jose was at the wind up with fergie .Hence Turkey 2 Man Utd 1
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Never
Yes
Good old Stoop ,anything to have a pop at United of course Roy K says its a red card,he has had a downer since Fergie rightly sacked him.Scunner bang on with your black adder senario.
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Oh Dear, and there was only me thinking english football is crap.
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As others have said the ref gave the red card based on what he saw at the speed and time of the incident. It was not a knee jerk reaction as he had thinking time before he showed the card. Having watched it in slow motion and real time both a few times, I think the ref was correct to issue a red.
My assumption on Jose's comments regarding the best team losing, I suspect that this was an attempt at a subtle sarcastic comment, it was not a compliment and Jose does not do. Good old Jose always worth listening to ;) ;)
Finally, the behaviour of the MU players at the end typified the spoilt nature and lack of sportsmanship that prevails in modern day football, as always it is a shame that professional footballers cannot adopt the model set by Rugby Union player. Mind you I think the Turkish ref would be quite a good union ref!
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should,nt we just end it here. and simply say the best team won.
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That's not quite how discussion forums work Des.
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should,nt we just end it here. and simply say the best team won.
Even Stoop writes more sense than that Des. :P
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I love to have a pop at Fergie but in this case I do think it was a red.
It is dangerous to go in studs first at that height.
No other option if the ref applies FIFA rules.
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should,nt we just end it here. and simply say the best team won.
Even Stoop writes more sense than that Des. :P
really. i cant recall seeing that lol.
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One things for sure though - Fergie's face got redder than ever last night :)
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yeah ok Des,maybe a bit hasty . ;)
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:)
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(http://i828.photobucket.com/albums/zz207/Ged_1957/General%20Football%20Pics/manu_n_zps963a3d81.jpg)
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Interesting that ex top ref Graham Poll said when he first saw it he thought yellow. Then after speaking with two current top international refs he was told 'in Europe it's a red'
Fact is you cannot get away with that type of action in Europe and a player on cica £100k per week - a professional at a top club, should have known this.
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Is it a different game played with different rules in Europe then?
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You know as well as I do that players in the UK get away with far more than those in Europe. You only have to fart in Euro games to get a booking.
I'm not sayings its right or wrong but remember the little 'flick' that Beckham got a red for? Would he have got red in the Premier? No way.
Same game but the rules on high / dangerous tackles are more strictly adhered to in Europe/Internationals.
So - it's a red in FIFA's eyes and probably only a yellow in the eyes of the FA.
That's the reality.
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never saw a 70 year old fly down the steps so fast , red card best team won
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You should have been there when my granny stood on a roller skate on the top step
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Turkish referee Cuneyt Cakir's record to date:
Number of players from English teams he has sent off: 7
Number of players from teams playing an English team he has sent off: 0
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Is that because of the way we play the game in the UK or is it more sinister?
You would think his assessor reports would get him de-listed if he was looking for opportunities but still the numbers look odd unless the other six were Suarez - Suarez - Suarez - Suarez - Suarez - Suarez :-)
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Collina was the assessor evidently and he agreed with the decision.
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With a record like that, I would have expected Ferguson, to have warned his players not to commit to dangerous play. Nani did spend time rolling on the floor feigning injury, I suspect he knew he was in trouble with the ref.
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We could debate this all day but the fact is that if your foot is that high there is the potential to cause serious injury to your opponent. Hence the need for a red card.
Having been on the end of one or two sets of studs I can vouch for that.
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So do you agree that every over head kick is dangerous play and should result in a red card, not goal of the season?
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Not all but if thereIs is potential to cause injury then yes. Players safety must come first.
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Actually Keith I think they should be a red if an opponent is caught by the kicker. They are very dangerous and I've seen players laid out cold from over head kicks.
Feet high is ok if you are in a position to see that no other player can be injured. If you can't then the potential is lethal. If you catch someone then you should expect to walk.
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As far as I know you cannot raise your leg above waist height without showing your studs. If this is deemed dangerous play then every time a player raises a foot to waist height it should be deemed dangerous and therefore shown a red card. The argument that it depends on whether there was any other player in close proximity is nonsense surely. A player must check first to see if there is a possibility of someone being caught by his high foot???
I think a yellow card would have been harsh let alone a red.
For me it spoilt a very good game of football that could have gone either way. It is what the Champions league is all about. Games like these are won and lost by small margins and time and time again we see the outcome decided by a poor refereeing decision.
In just about all forms of sport today technology has been brought in to assist officials. Why not football? Why can't we have officials sat in the stands who do have the benefit of replay and close-ups etc. helping the referee decide what the appropriate action should be. Rugby benefits from this hugely. It would stop all the diving cheats too as the ref can ask for a review
As for Roy Keane. If he is correct then he for one should have been sent off ten times more than he already was. What a T*****r!!
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It's not showing studs that got him sent off but slamming them into the chest of an opposing player. Whether intended or not it was deemed as serious foul play by the ref and carries a red card and ban.
That's what the ref saw and I think many refs in Europe would have given a red. Only our useless refs would have given him a yellow and then maybe sent him off later for scratching his bum or something.
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You don't actually have to "slam" your studs into a player for it to be deemed dangerous play. Dangerous play can be punished for intent, and also where contact was nearly made. We often see people recoil from a flying foot heading towards their face, and it is punished.
As overhead kicks don't often scream in from 35 yards, you can assume that anyone attempting one will be in or around the penalty area and in the majority of cases will have an opposition player directly behind him with a head about the same height as the attackers foot is just about to be. This IS dangerous play. Football may soon lose some of it's classic goals if we continue down this route.
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I would suggest that only one of these can be construed as being dangerous play.
(http://s24.postimage.org/nqh4xu8cx/dangerous.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/nqh4xu8cx/)
(http://s2.postimage.org/oe8ramc45/overhead.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/oe8ramc45/)
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Only because the defender is too slow in one of them
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I can only say in this instance the Rooney scissor kick was not dangerous, as Richards was behind him. The other player Zabaleta was at least 5 yards away (the photo is misleading) This was a great goal and was well deserving of the accolade it was given.
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Another thing - how often do we see a high foot penalised, when in reality it is a low head...
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I think the rule states something about the proximity of the opposing player. If there is nobody near when a player tries an overhead or a scissors kick then it's OK. If he stands the chance of knocking someone's head off then it's seen as dangerous and the ref can blow for a free kick.
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Another thing - how often do we see a high foot penalised, when in reality it is a low head...
Totally agree. That's the problem - the refs are not consistent. However I do honestly thing the guy who sent Nani off was sticking to the letter of the law - as he saw it as a high foooted, studs showing tackle which could have caused serious injury.
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But my point is that how on earth can you distinguish between what is deemed dangerous and what is not? Are we seriously suggesting its not dangerous to lift you foot above waist height so long as you have checked the proximity of opposing players and they out of harms way? If someone is near by then it's dangerous and a player is sent off? On the basis that no-one has 360 degree vision it can only ever be deemed as dangerous and therefore lifting your foot above waist height and thereby showing your studs is a red card offence. If that is what we are saying then we should have at least half a dozen red cards for every game.
Nani clearly didn't see the defender who was racing towards him. The defender ran in to Nani's high foot as he was attempting to control the ball coming to him at above waist height yet it was Nani who was deemed as playing dangerously.
If this is the way the rules are going then I despair.
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So is this a dangerous challenge or not :)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sDTYUFn1RRY&feature=endscreen&NR=1
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OUCH !!!!!
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So.
Was RVP's opener for Manchester United today dangerous play ;).
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No.
(http://s7.postimg.org/4jayswczr/image.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/4jayswczr/)
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No, and I'm biased.
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Interestingly, on Goals on Sunday, it was suggested that if the defender had at least moved towards the ball with his head then it may have been disallowed.
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I refer you to my post on page 6:
I think the rule states something about the proximity of the opposing player. If there is nobody near when a player tries an overhead or a scissors kick then it's OK. If he stands the chance of knocking someone's head off then it's seen as dangerous and the ref can blow for a free kick.
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Same old message from me ...... Wenger out