Personally, I'm very scared.I don't think it is quite as bad as that, Villain. Certainly the decision will do serious long-term damage to the UK economy and has already trashed the £. However, I would stop short of saying it is a disaster. We maybe able to stage some sort of recovery well into the future (just not in my lifetime). Perhaps I'm just a wide-eyed optimist!
Must say I'm surprised.
Personally, I'm very scared.I don't think it is quite as bad as that, Villain. Certainly the decision will do serious long-term damage to the UK economy and has already trashed the £. However, I would stop short of saying it is a disaster. We maybe able to stage some sort of recovery well into the future (just not in my lifetime). Perhaps I'm just a wide-eyed optimist!
Must say I'm surprised. Just about all the fallout from the referendum has been negative. None of the Leave campaigns promises have come to fruition, the pound has taken a battering, inflation is on its way, the government appear to be in disarray, if we leave the single market there'll be no trade deals in place and even the leavers can't agree what "Brexit" looks like.
Personally, I'm very scared.
Hands up anyone who thinks the government has a clue what to do with this mess? They are constantly backtracking and contradicting themselves.But the government has put the Three Wise Men in charge - Boris Johnson, David Davis and Liam Fox. Surely you have faith in them? [If you reply, please remember this is a family forum!]
If you think the UK will sink jump ship. I'm staying in the wheelhouse and sailing for adventures new. onward's and upwards.Not quite got the grasp of this sea-faring lark, Kevin.
Goodness knows how we managed before we joined the E.U. I am not worried at all.
The three spivs Blair, Brown and Mandelson were all for the EU. That is three good reasons to leave.
Good to see that the debate has moved on to serious, mature discussion.The three spivs Blair, Brown and Mandelson were all for the EU. That is three good reasons to leave.
Putin, Trump, Nigel Fromage.
I win with a straight flush.
We will not tender for new customers. Once our current customer base is depleted we will sell off the rights to the software. It will have little value as it will be out of date. We will then close the company.
Must be a horrible experience having to kill off a business you have cared about.
We will not tender for new customers. Once our current customer base is depleted we will sell off the rights to the software. It will have little value as it will be out of date. We will then close the company.Must be a horrible experience having to kill off a business you have cared about.
This is not an isolated situation. There are many small to medium businesses facing the same fate. My OH is in a similar(ish) position - our solution is to relocate to Spain several years before we intended to.
JF
It would seem that Nissan don't seem to be too bothered at the moment.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-37787890
While I'm here, do you remember that WTO Rules fall-back option? (you know, the "God help us" trading option assuming that we can't keep access to the Single Market AND kick Johnny Foreigner out)
Well, we'd even have to renegotiate entry to that club too - we can't just waltz in. And God-forbid if a WTO member had a long-standing UK thorn in its side, like ownership over some obscure South Atlantic islands, for example, and decided to be difficult about admitting us.
Hey, your contributions are improving; much more coherent; try to keep it up old chap.
ZZZZZZZzzzzzzzz.
We will not tender for new customers. Once our current customer base is depleted we will sell off the rights to the software. It will have little value as it will be out of date. We will then close the company.Must be a horrible experience having to kill off a business you have cared about.
This is not an isolated situation. There are many small to medium businesses facing the same fate. My OH is in a similar(ish) position - our solution is to relocate to Spain several years before we intended to.
JF
Till they boot you out. ;)
Why would Spain boot out JuanF?
While I'm here, do you remember that WTO Rules fall-back option? (you know, the "God help us" trading option assuming that we can't keep access to the Single Market AND kick Johnny Foreigner out)
Well, we'd even have to renegotiate entry to that club too - we can't just waltz in. And God-forbid if a WTO member had a long-standing UK thorn in its side, like ownership over some obscure South Atlantic islands, for example, and decided to be difficult about admitting us.
(http://s4.postimg.org/ctru8x5ah/image.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/ctru8x5ah/)Whether or not, and which of, these predictions were correct we will find out when we leave.
What lies you were told to make you vote remain!
While I'm here, do you remember that WTO Rules fall-back option? (you know, the "God help us" trading option assuming that we can't keep access to the Single Market AND kick Johnny Foreigner out)
Well, we'd even have to renegotiate entry to that club too - we can't just waltz in. And God-forbid if a WTO member had a long-standing UK thorn in its side, like ownership over some obscure South Atlantic islands, for example, and decided to be difficult about admitting us.
Did you not listen to what the WTO head said yesterday or have you conveniently dismissed it?
(http://s4.postimg.org/ctru8x5ah/image.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/ctru8x5ah/)Whether or not, and which of, these predictions were correct we will find out when we leave.
What lies you were told to make you vote remain!
While I'm here, do you remember that WTO Rules fall-back option? (you know, the "God help us" trading option assuming that we can't keep access to the Single Market AND kick Johnny Foreigner out)
Well, we'd even have to renegotiate entry to that club too - we can't just waltz in. And God-forbid if a WTO member had a long-standing UK thorn in its side, like ownership over some obscure South Atlantic islands, for example, and decided to be difficult about admitting us.
You obviously do not believe in referenda (unless the result goes your way). As I seem to remember that the Falkland Islanders voted to remain under UK control.
For the record I did vote to leave and my reasons are I admit entirely selfish.
I last had a pay rise in 2011, since then every year I have been told by one of our directors (this is a FTSE 250 company by the way) that. For what we are paying you we could get 2 eastern Europeans in I am quite certain that similar conversations have happened elsewhere.
Do you not listen Brexit Means BREXIT.
It would seem that Nissan don't seem to be too bothered at the moment.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-37787890 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-37787890)
I wondered about this new found enthusiasm from Nissan for the United Kingdom of England and (maybe) Wales, then I saw Nissan have been given the equivalent of a BLANK CHEQUE (how generous of us):
"Britain has given Nissan (7201.T) a written commitment of extra support in the event that Brexit reduces the competitiveness of its Sunderland plant, in return for new production investments by the Japanese carmaker, a source with knowledge of the matter told Reuters.
In addition to unconditional investment aid, Britain pledged in a letter to offer further relief if the terms of Britain's European Union exit ended up harming the plant's performance, the source said."
http://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-britain-eu-nissan-support-idUKKCN12R1AK (http://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-britain-eu-nissan-support-idUKKCN12R1AK)
Who was it that said lies, damn lies and statistics? Believe me wages ARE being held down and not just in very low paid jobs.For the record I did vote to leave and my reasons are I admit entirely selfish.
I last had a pay rise in 2011, since then every year I have been told by one of our directors (this is a FTSE 250 company by the way) that. For what we are paying you we could get 2 eastern Europeans in I am quite certain that similar conversations have happened elsewhere.
I will not question your experience, but statistics suggest that migration has not held down wages, except possibly at some very low wage jobs. It is also widely believed that migration has had a positive effect both on taxation revenue and overall GDP, which boosts the UK economy as a whole.
he stated that the Government didn't have an economic plan for an out vote.
Is this why we are now in this mess?
The saying is 'fail to prepare, prepare to fail'.
Who was it that said lies, damn lies and statistics?
(http://s4.postimg.org/ctru8x5ah/image.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/ctru8x5ah/)Whether or not, and which of, these predictions were correct we will find out when we leave.
What lies you were told to make you vote remain!
From the FT
Do migrants reduce UK wages?
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The chart shows the change in the share of EU immigrants for every local area in the UK (left to right) and the change in local wage levels (up and down). There is no correlation, indicating that areas with high levels of immigration do not have lower wage growth. There is no indication that immigration reduces wages.
A Bank of England study found a small effect on the lower paid, with a 10 percentage point rise in the share of low-skilled migrants reducing wages of the lower paid by 2 per cent. But the increase in EU migration share has been only about 2 percentage points between 2008 and 2015, suggesting the effect on low pay is about a cut of 0.4 per cent over seven years.
Alternative explanation
While the Leave campaign grossly exaggerated the very small measured effect of migration on low skill wages, there is a question whether normally high growth areas should be expected to have had larger increases in wages. This could explain why there is no positive correlation in the chart between areas of high immigration and higher wage rises.
Assessment
The available evidence suggests EU migration does not cut people’s pay, even for the low paid. But there is a possibility that it allows employers to increase employment in high demand areas without raising pay but allowing EU migration to be a buffer.
Who was it that said lies, damn lies and statistics? Believe me wages ARE being held down and not just in very low paid jobs.For the record I did vote to leave and my reasons are I admit entirely selfish.
I last had a pay rise in 2011, since then every year I have been told by one of our directors (this is a FTSE 250 company by the way) that. For what we are paying you we could get 2 eastern Europeans in I am quite certain that similar conversations have happened elsewhere.
I will not question your experience, but statistics suggest that migration has not held down wages, except possibly at some very low wage jobs. It is also widely believed that migration has had a positive effect both on taxation revenue and overall GDP, which boosts the UK economy as a whole.
not held down wages except possibly some very low wage jobs, answered yourself there? Taxation revenue at what cost paying more benefits & housing, imprisoning all these legal & illegal migrants.For the record I did vote to leave and my reasons are I admit entirely selfish.
I last had a pay rise in 2011, since then every year I have been told by one of our directors (this is a FTSE 250 company by the way) that. For what we are paying you we could get 2 eastern Europeans in I am quite certain that similar conversations have happened elsewhere.
I will not question your experience, but statistics suggest that migration has not held down wages, except possibly at some very low wage jobs. It is also widely believed that migration has had a positive effect both on taxation revenue and overall GDP, which boosts the UK economy as a whole.
How you can rely on any survey when we do not who or how many have entered or are entering illegally the UK is beyond me, I have no problem with genuine migrants but not all these adult males our government is trying to fool us into thinking are children.
But immigration is not all about wages and jobs is it? It's also about the impact on our services such as the NHS, housing and schools. Some areas are in dire straights already due to uncontrolled immigration yet the remainers just turn a blind eye and call the leavers racist or bigots!
I've heard that corned Leave compaigners have repainted their bus "We give £350m a week to the EU. Sod the NHS and let's give it to Nissan instead"
I am delighted that 7,000 people have job security - end of !!!!!!!!
ever nastier posts
The myth: [quote="madmart] The EU accounts have not been signed off for nearly 30 years
The myth: [quote="madmart] The EU accounts have not been signed off for nearly 30 years
The truth: https://fullfact.org/europe/did-auditors-sign-eu-budget/
Reading between the lines you do not believe my statement about the conversation with a company director at work.
I will not question your experience, but statistics suggest that migration has not held down wages, except possibly at some very low wage jobs. It is also widely believed that migration has had a positive effect both on taxation revenue and overall GDP, which boosts the UK economy as a whole.
And how about accepting the DEMOCRATIC result and moving on?
And how about accepting the DEMOCRATIC result and moving on?
That's what this is all about. How are going to do it? None of you have a clue!
Single Market? Customs Union? Fire away...
Where are my ever nastier posts, by the way? When you attack me for something I haven't done, and not what I have posted, you make it look very much like you've lost the argument.
Retract, please.
And how about accepting the DEMOCRATIC result and moving on?
I don't know if you've noticed, but ALL of the substantive questions I have asked of Brexit voters have gone unnanswered.
When I have been challenged, I have given you and others the courtesy of researched and meaningful answers. I will happily answer your question if you could first respond to questions i have asked several times already, like:
After Brexit, should the UK retain access to the single Market and/or Customs Union?
Should legislation to enact Article 50 be passed through Parliament?
There's a few others. Take your time.
Answers that include "brexit is BREXIT" are disqualified.
I don't know if you've noticed, but ALL of the substantive questions I have asked of Brexit voters have gone unnanswered.
When I have been challenged, I have given you and others the courtesy of researched and meaningful answers. I will happily answer your question if you could first respond to questions i have asked several times already, like:
After Brexit, should the UK retain access to the single Market and/or Customs Union?
Should legislation to enact Article 50 be passed through Parliament?
There's a few others. Take your time.
Answers that include "brexit is BREXIT" are disqualified.
It is a simple question with a simple answer why so coy about answering? Or is it as I suspect you never thought the country would vote remain.
I don't know if you've noticed, but ALL of the substantive questions I have asked of Brexit voters have gone unnanswered.
When I have been challenged, I have given you and others the courtesy of researched and meaningful answers. I will happily answer your question if you could first respond to questions i have asked several times already, like:
After Brexit, should the UK retain access to the single Market and/or Customs Union?
Should legislation to enact Article 50 be passed through Parliament?
There's a few others. Take your time.
Answers that include "brexit is BREXIT" are disqualified.
It is a simple question with a simple answer why so coy about answering? Or is it as I suspect you never thought the country would vote remain.
Ha. Ha.
I asked first.
A word for those concerned about cutting down "uncontrolled EU immigration".
Only about 1/3 of net migration over the past few years was from the EU.
Q. Which means that 2/3rds wasn't. Why didn't the then Home Secretary do something about the presumably "controllable" 2/3rds, then?
A. Because her name was Theresa May.
I did not say brexit would stop asylum seekers but when/if it happens & we finally have a say on who & how many genuine people we allow to stay in the UK with our own rules not rules decided in Brussels by unelected people who don't give a toss about the UK.How you can rely on any survey when we do not who or how many have entered or are entering illegally the UK is beyond me, I have no problem with genuine migrants but not all these adult males our government is trying to fool us into thinking are children.
Remind me why Brexit will stop Asylum seekers.
You Brexiters are obviously very confused about all this.
The Nissan deal looks like we're remaining in The Customs Union, by the way, which will mean we won't be able to negotiate our own trade deals.
Now that may be bad news for you lot, and believe me, I feel for you, but let's look at the bright side: Liam Fox is effectively redundant.
Rejoice!
I did not say brexit would stop asylum seekers but when/if it happens & we finally have a say on who & how many genuine people we allow to stay in the UK with our own rules not rules decided in Brussels by unelected people who don't give a toss about the UK.
Herr Blair flounced into a BBC studio this morning and said he is demanding a second Referendum or
a General Election. What a self-opinionated,undemocratic,hypocritical,lying,deluded slimeball.
He should be standing in a dock for all his deception and the loss of life and destruction he caused.
I suspect this is a start of his desire to claw back control of the Labour Party. I think they deserve him.
You may feel safe walking anywhere in Brum but would you be happy for any older/ young female members of you're family walking anywhere in 'brum' ? Of course you will most likely reply yes to this as I think you are just out for a discussion on something you disagree with & are unwilling to accept a public vote.I agree, you're right, having lived in Southsea/Portsmouth for a couple a years too, there are places there I wouldn't want female family members to walk around late at night.
Urban Dictionary: sore loser
www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=sore%20loser
A sore loser is someone who loses in a fair competition but whines about it on a constant basis, blaming everyone around them for their loss excep... ;)
BREXIT MEANS BREXIT. !!!
Point remains: Brexit isn't going to happen any time soon and no-one - me or you Brexiters is going to be happy.
The Conservative manifesto was to retain UK access to the Single Market. That means EU contributions and probably some sort of nonsense fudge on Freedom on Movement. They can't reverse that pledge. Not in this parliament.
Nissan deal points to Customs Union: No independent trade deals and Fox out of a job.
So brexiters, you'll still be at the mercy of EU regulations, except you'll have virtually no say over them. You can't do deals with the Aussies, Pakistanis, whatever, either.
Question my analysis if you like. Believe me, I'm not happy about it either, but was this what you were expecting?
Let me guess....
Now I'll ask you a question.
Where in the manifesto does it say the Tories want to remain in the single market?
A new entrant to the thread! Welcome. I'd love you to add some flesh on the bones of your thoughtsHow would you like it to look like? Let me guess.
I'm fascinated by the "nuts and bolts" of Brexit.
I was just wondering: If/when we do have a blueprint for what Brexit looks like, should it
a. Be allowed to progress just on the PM's say so (Royal Prerogative)
b. Be voted upon in Parliament
c. Be put to a simple "yes/no" referendum?
Secondly, how would YOU like Brexit to looks like? Single Market? Customs Union, Nissan-style sweetheart deals etc?
Let me guess.
ZZZZZZZzzzzzzzz.
With the utmost repect, Lotty, what's your view on the subject?
Villain, don't you think it is about time you stopped torturing these people who voted leave? You keep asking them what it was they voted FOR.You've put on the thumbscrews and twisted them and still they don't answer. You ask them time and time again and ... nothing, not a sausage, bugger all. The simple reason is that they don't know! They weren't voting FOR anything. They were voting AGAINST. Silly though that may have been they did have the right to that. And they did it. So we will have to live with the consequences.
Now I'm going to focus on the equally pointless lunacy of worrying about the possibility of there being a President Trump.
Surely it's up to members if they wish to express a view on this subject or not.Perhaps, or perhaps not. Or both.
Now I'll ask you a question.
Where in the manifesto does it say the Tories want to remain in the single market?
Page 72.
Or even a dog, :)
All the acrimony is emanating from your camp.I haven't been to camp since I left the Sea Scouts. Anyway I am too busy fruitlessly fretting about The Donald and the End of the World to camp about on this thread. So there! I'm thinking of relocating. I'm told some places in the south of Mars can be quite pleasant in the summer.
Och aye. :)
With the utmost repect, Lotty, what's your view on the subject?
Surely it's up to members if they wish to express a view on this subject or not.
The last one was nice. Now stop being a dick.
JF
1 quick question if I may.
Were you in favour of a referendum before 23rd June?
No, given the context it was an accurate assessment of how you're behaving.The last one was nice. Now stop being a dick.
JF
"The Debating Chamber
For grown ups to discuss current affairs and other subjects. Please note that personal attacks are not permitted but pretty much any subject is. If you are easily offended, please don't be, just don't use this particular forum!"
Don't you have to now yellow card yourself for the personal abuse?
Villain - stop pouncing on members if they happen to post. Please.
JF
I'm not going to "debate" this with you.
Has it done that before?
Parliament should have a vote about when to enact Article 50 but not about whether it should be enactedBlimey, you've said something with which I agree! In fact I would go further and say that Parliament should endorse May's March invoking of Article 50. If she hasn't worked out how we are going to proceed by then she'll never manage it. But before she gets her vote she'll have to come to the House to face questioning - Parliamentary Sovereignty and all that..
Should we have another referendum on Hard or Soft Brexit?What makes you think that anyone in the UK will be in a position to "decide the terms"?
Or should we let Parliament decide the terms?
Not at all! If you read the post above you will see that Parliament passed a bill for the referendum which in turn passed the power to the electorate. It was decided by the electorate that we should leave therefore there is no reason why parliament should have a vote on Article 50 as the government has a mandate from its people.
"What part of parliamentary process don't you understand?"Would be an appropriate question to Farage, as Nichola alluded to above.
Hopefully the next set of judges will have more sense :)
Hopefully the next set of judges will have more sense :)So, if you don't like the outcome of a vote you just ask for another one? Can everybody do that or just you? [Not that I want another referendum, of course. Once was bad enough.]
Yes, quite, he struck me as someone who might be a trifle unhinged.
I challenge Brexiters to download and read the free sample of this book (https://www.amazon.co.uk/Brexit-Happens-Everything-Britains-Divorce-ebook/dp/B01M74JXK5/ref=tmm_kin_swatch_0?_encoding=UTF8&qid=1479463789&sr=8-1)(Kindle app on ereader/phone/tablet)
Hopefully the next set of judges will have more sense :)So, if you don't like the outcome of a vote you just ask for another one? Can everybody do that or just you? [Not that I want another referendum, of course. Once was bad enough.]
Stoop, you could just:
"Accept the judgement and move on"
Remember, Parliamentary Sovereignty means PARLIAMENTARY SOVEREIGNTY.
"What part of parliamentary process don't you understand?"Would be an appropriate question to Farage, as Nichola alluded to above.Hopefully the next set of judges will have more sense :)
Disgraceful statement. The three judges did their job correctly - it's hardly their fault that government failed to put forward sufficient evidence to refute Gina Miller et al's case.
JF
I have a right to an opinion and I think those judges got it wrong. Hopefully the next set will see sense and let the government get on with triggering article 50. Then they can start to negotiate our exit from the EU.
it's the government who are appealingI don't find them at all appealing.
I have a right to an opinion and I think those judges got it wrong. Hopefully the next set will see sense and let the government get on with triggering article 50. Then they can start to negotiate our exit from the EU.
The crucial part of the judgement says: "The most fundamental rule of the UK's constitution is that Parliament is sovereign and can make and unmake any law it chooses...
...the Crown - i.e. the Government of the day - cannot by exercise of prerogative powers override legislation enacted by Parliament"
I'd be interested to know why you think the judges "got it wrong". I'd be delighted if you could inform us (and them) as to which crucial bit of our constitution they managed to overlook. It was not some sort of political judgement. All they did was apply the laws as made by Parliament.
When they lose the Supreme Court appeal, the Government is going to attempt to pass what they are describing as a "bomb-proof" Bill through Parliament in order to allow them to action Article 50. This is how I imagine that will turn out:
(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/564x/3e/38/99/3e3899ff295e65c8f544101ab3c9b422.jpg)
http://www.lawyersforbritain.org/referendum-binding.shtml
I have a right to an opinion and I think those voters got it wrong.
Hopefully the next set (of voters in a referendum) will see sense
Villain.....Trouble is that the reality is even sillier than any satire show could write. Dangerous Davis has been over to chat up the MEPs leading the negotiation on the EU side. As he came away they said they hadn't got a clue what he was talking about. This thread has shown why.
That could have come from an episode of "Yes Minister".
yawn 8)Were you under the impression that reading this thread was compulsory?
Simple question, just in case my previous ones were too difficult: Has anyone on this forum ever eaten a cake and then continued to have it?
Brexit means Brexit? No.Don't believe all you read or hear in the press,
As at today, Brexit means Freedom of Movement (Johnson), access to Single Market and continued EU contributions (Davis)
So remind me why we're leaving?
Brexit means Brexit? No.
As at today, Brexit means Freedom of Movement (Johnson), access to Single Market and continued EU contributions (Davis)
So remind me why we're leaving?
Brexit means Brexit? No.Don't believe all you read or hear in the press,
As at today, Brexit means Freedom of Movement (Johnson), access to Single Market and continued EU contributions (Davis)
So remind me why we're leaving?
Brexit means Brexit? No.
As at today, Brexit means Freedom of Movement (Johnson), access to Single Market and continued EU contributions (Davis)
So remind me why we're leaving?
Come on davybill, get a grip. ;)He was so impressed by Villain's comment that he wanted us to read it six more times. I think he's angling for a job as Villain's media agent.
What point are you trying to make ?
I just wish Leavers would actually enter into some sort of debate about what sort of Brexit they want. I'm still not hearing any. All they do is stumble between denial and rage.
Fed up of repeating myself, Brexit means Brexit lol.
I just wish Leavers would actually enter into some sort of debate about what sort of Brexit they want. I'm still not hearing any. All they do is stumble between denial and rage.
Richmond By-election result last night was remarkable. Remember UKIP weren't standing too. Labour lost their deposit and are floundering
What it says to me is that that "Leave" Tory MPs in "Remain" South-east areas are now looking over their shoulders. Theresa May is in a similar type of constituency. As May, like Johnson, seems to be far more interested in her own career than actually standing up for her principles, I think her mind might have been brought sharply into focus. Less chance of a General Election now. Their slim majority has got slimmer.
As I keep on saying, Brexit is fascinating. The Leavers' "magic wand Brexit", just isn't going to achieve a thing. The government is in disarray. May is trying to control the message - except there is no message.
I just wish Leavers would actually enter into some sort of debate about what sort of Brexit they want. I'm still not hearing any. All they do is stumble between denial and rage.
Richmond By-election result last night was remarkable. Remember UKIP weren't standing too. Labour lost their deposit and are floundering
What it says to me is that that "Leave" Tory MPs in "Remain" South-east areas are now looking over their shoulders. Theresa May is in a similar type of constituency. As May, like Johnson, seems to be far more interested in her own career than actually standing up for her principles, I think her mind might have been brought sharply into focus. Less chance of a General Election now. Their slim majority has got slimmer.
As I keep on saying, Brexit is fascinating. The Leavers' "magic wand Brexit", just isn't going to achieve a thing. The government is in disarray. May is trying to control the message - except there is no message.
I just wish Leavers would actually enter into some sort of debate about what sort of Brexit they want. I'm still not hearing any. All they do is stumble between denial and rage.
Perhaps they do not need to debate because to them brexit means brexit.
...so we can all have a grown up discussion about them.
The government should state their aims and strategy so we can all have a grown up discussion about them.
T'resa is taking a mighty risk taking an appeal to the Supreme Court. They may find that the rules on how a country leaves the EU have been determined by the EU (and approved by the UK as a member state) and thus they have to consult the EU Court of Justice in Luxembourg before coming to their decision. That will have Stoop raving about, thrashing on the floor and foaming at the mouth. Hope someone has a mobile close by to record the scene: it will make a viral YouTube hit-of-the-day.
I guess the Italian result might affect the Euro tomorrow.It did. € up 0.67% against $ and £. Bit better than the £ being 10% down the day after our referendum disaster.
Has anyone bothered to read this topic from the first post ?. I just have.You probably need to lie down in a dark place with a damp cloth on your forehead. Did you do it for a bet?
Has anyone bothered to read this topic from the first post ?. I just have.You probably need to lie down in a dark place with a damp cloth on your forehead. Did you do it for a bet?
Has anyone bothered to read this topic from the first post ?. I just have.
Insults and name calling. Bitterness. Tit for tat playground comments. Very little of a positive note.
No matter what is offered it is met with the above mainly by one unhappy person who for some reason
cannot get over a need for confrontation.
Confrontation about Brexit.
Confrontation about the US election.
Contributors being constantly berated and browbeaten for voicing their opinion.
Perhaps we need a rant section for topics like this. Or maybe they just need to be redirected into the
joke section?
"When I want your opinion, I'll give it to you"
I guess the Italian result might affect the Euro tomorrow.It did. € up 0.67% against $ and £. Bit better than the £ being 10% down the day after our referendum disaster.
It seems that such a person does exist.Well, that's if you believe anything printed in The Telegraph. You'll need to do some work to persuade me of that one!
I suppose it was to be expected, brexiters specialise in winning non-binding votes.
The real action was at The Supreme Court over the last few days, anyway. How did you reckon that went?
Who's this?
It strikes me that, over the next couple of years, we are going to see a head-on clash (crash?) between two very different conceptions of what "The Single Market" means. For Brexiteers it seems to mean being able to sell good & services in the EU without paying tariffs. For EU politicians and bureaucrats it seems to mean a free movement across borders for goods & services, capital and labour. So for Brexiteers it makes some sort of sense to say "We want to be part of the single market, but we want to control immigration so we can't accept free movement of labour". For EU authorities this is ludicrous: "Do you want to join the single market or not? If you do then you get free movement. That's what it is about".
Should provide some interesting negotiations.
Supreme Court ruling on Tuesday.
Could be most interesting.
Some interesting data obtained by the BBC in respect of voting patterns in the referendum.
Age, level of educational and ethnicity appear to be the main factors that decided folks vote.
Full article here (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-38762034), worth a read.
JF