Calis Beach and Fethiye Turkey Discussion Forum
Other Local Resorts & Areas => Ovacik Discussion Forum => Topic started by: slartibartfast on May 02, 2013, 04:37:20 AM
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We really like having a stroll round Ovacik and much as I love dogs and see myself as a "dog person" I am totally fed up by bejng barked at by big dogs, medium dogs, small dogs.....behind gates, roaming around, overseen by owners.
It makes walking about in the area quite unpleasant at times.
OK I know some people buy them for security but this Is beyond a joke.
My ideal holiday accessories would be pepper spary and a tazer gun if they were legal. (havent decided if they would be best used on the dogs or the owners !)
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Pretty useless security if they bark at everyone and everything though -
Can't believe you haven't been slated for your last line - even if it is in jest!
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If the dogs are 'behind gates' what is the problem ... if they are barking they are being guard dogs and who can criticise them or their owners for that : :)
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Because the person walking past is out for a quiet evening stroll and has absolutely no intention of attempting to break into the property . :o
It happens here too - you park the car at the supermarket, get out and all of a sudden these lunatic of a dog in the car you have innocently parked beside jumps up and starts snarkling at you >:(.
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.....and because the owners hear their dogs bark at everyone that walks past the gate and ignore it!
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you park the car at the supermarket, get out and all of a sudden these lunatic of a dog in the car you have innocently parked beside jumps up and starts snarkling at you >:(.
Far more effective than any 'Thatcham approved' security system.
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I'm sure that a proper alarm would be a more cost effective and indeed more efficient solution than many of these so called guard dogs. My concern is the growing use of big breeds, like rotweillers, alsations and mastiffs/pit bull, they can and do often get out and then they are a danger!! In many cases the use of the guard dog is cruel as they are chained up, usually to a short chain, all day, so no wonder they get aggresive . I don't blame the dog though, it is the stupid owners who deserve to be chained up!
And don't get me started on the dog howl chorus.......
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Must be hell for the neighbours too.
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Behind a gate is a figure of speech Linda ......as in behind a gate like the alsation we passed the other night. It was going mental and on its hind legs its head and shoulders were well above the fence. If it wanted out there was nothing to stop it.
Maybe not a great analogy but it reminded me of the selfishness of smokers many years ago. They were happy making me breath their 2nd hand smoke as they had "rights" so tough luck if you don't like it.
The "guard dogs" issue makes me feel it would be safer to carry some form of defense when I am out walking. Sandles , shorts and a tee shirt doesnt stand up too well to a rogue dog ( or is the owner who is rogue!)
If it put tourists off coming back that wont be good for anyone
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We love getting out in the countryside when we are over, and find there is a dog chained up at just about every house. They all go mad at the end of the chain, and yes they make me jump, and I'm very glad there is a chain, but it won't put me off ever, love the place and everything (apart from smokers!!) about it
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We get really fed up with all the dogs in the houses around us barking all night long. Once one starts all the others join in, i swear there must be 15-20 dogs joining in the chorus. Both our neighbours have 2 dogs each and then a really large dog to the rear of our property, it drives us mad. When we have the doors open on a warm evening we have to close them to hear ourselves think ! We dont own a dog and we dont want to hear other peoples dogs sometimes. No-one ever takes them inside or tries to shut them up.
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What I don't understand is why these dogs don't drive their owners mad too? Surely they can't sleep, the dogs are nearer to them!!
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You took the words right out of my mouth. Completely agree.
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Dogs barking - Cockerels crowing - Mosques calling to prayer.
All part of living in paradise - Looking forward to it soooooo much (STOP MOANING !!!)
Although we will miss the overnight helicopters and munitions of Salisbury Plain !!!!!
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Looking forward to it soooooo much (STOP MOANING !!!)
Maybe you think people should stop moaning because you are on holiday and a dog barking isn't a big thing Kevin. But if you live there and have a business to run, or it is every single night of your life, it gets a bit irritating after a month or six I can tell you.
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Dogs barking - Cockerels crowing - Mosques calling to prayer.
All part of living in paradise
I'm struggling to think of a bigger contradiction in terms.
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What I don't understand is why these dogs don't drive their owners mad too? Surely they can't sleep, the dogs are nearer to them!!
I suspect it is the "living near a railway line" syndrome - but there again if you ignore the trains after a while you will ignore the dogs which sort of defeats their objective.
It is also a macho thing - my dog is bigger than yours - but with little love shown towards the pet that is the most annoying. We had near to us a very large Alsatian type dog in a cage all day long - almost foaming at the mouth to get out and it was supposedly owned by an ex-military man who clearly wanted the biggest on the street - it is a great shame for the animals in too many cases.
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Well said keith .. completely agree with your comments......
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But you simply are not going to change it !!!
You either live with it or move elsewhere :-\
Waking early to the Mosque, dogs and cockerels
is one of the delights of being in Turkey for us,
I'll let you know if it has changed 6 months in but
I bet it won't have (unless I get old and grouchy ;) )
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Been here 5 years,dogs barking,cockerels crowing, mosque man calling,lovely sunny days,
and still wouldn't change it for UK,
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I would not change ıt for the world BUT barkıng dogs are a nuısance and the ones near us are brıtısh owned. We have 2 dogs and they are only allowed to bark ıf someone ıs around near our property. If they joın ın the dog chorus durıng the day they are told to be quıet and they lıve ındoors with us at nıght. But then we are consıderate neıghbours.
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Slartibartfast totallly agree with you, unless you walk the area a lot many will not have experienced what you and I have. If only all the dogs were behind gates!!! A lot just roam about, strays or pets that have been allowed out or escaped. If you are lucky they just go for your shopping, if you're not, they'll go for you. Not so bad in summer as lots more people about and the owners take more care, but in Winter, trust me if you go walking out in the more quieter parts of Ovacık, you never know what you might meet on 4 legs!
The ones behind gates can still scare you but atleast you suss where they are and try and deviate your route.
I used to live in Ovacık and it is a beautiful area and perfect if you are a keen walker. But this is somewhat marred by all dogs roaming free.
And I am an absolute dog lover by the way.
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But you simply are not going to change it !!!
You either live with it or move elsewhere :-\
Waking early to the Mosque, dogs and cockerels
is one of the delights of being in Turkey for us,
I'll let you know if it has changed 6 months in but
I bet it won't have (unless I get old and grouchy ;) )
If you haven't got one within a short distance of where you are living then how you feel in 6 months is pretty irrelevant Kevin!
Accepting a dawn chorus, even cockerels - or the call to prayer (which to me is wonderful to wake up to) cannot be compared to a dog barking every time an ant farts throughout the night. Why should people just accept it because it is happening in a country that is not their native homeland? Consideration for neighbours is a worldwide thing.
I bet you a Turkish couple living in the UK wouldn't put up with it for long, and rightly so!!!
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I wonder how people would feel if the same level of noise was geneated by, for example, loud music or a car engine being revving constantly throughout the night.
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But you simply are not going to change it !!!
You either live with it or move elsewhere :-\
Waking early to the Mosque, dogs and cockerels
is one of the delights of being in Turkey for us,
I'll let you know if it has changed 6 months in but
I bet it won't have (unless I get old and grouchy ;) )
Kevin you can change it report it to the Zabita they will visit the owners, our Turkish neighbour rang the Zabita 3 weeks ago because the frogs in the half full pool at the side of us were keeping him awake at night, the pool belongs to an English guy who comes just in summer. The Zabita came had a look 2 hours later a bloke came with some chemicals we never heard any more frogs.
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When I logged on the other morning and saw this post, I expected it to be someone in Babatasi complaining, I had been kept awake most of the night by a barking dog who then set all the others off.
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Maybe I'm just a tolerant kinda guy :)
(Who sleeps very deeply and gets woken before 6am every day by his two
Jack Russells - The best time of the day ;D )
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I have copy and pasted this from the internet but only because it is something I have tried and tested myself for years and it works for me and that includes barking dogs at night.
"How do you not let something bother you?
Your question is actually part of your answer; You are in control of your thoughts and moods; if you are bothered by someone or some thing, it's because YOU CHOOSE to let it bother you; otherwise, some one or some thing controls your moods and not yourself. If you can change what bothers you, then do so; If you cannot change it, then, realize it's in the same category with things like, the weather; you can't change it, so you adapt and accept it."
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"If you cannot change it, then, realize it's in the same category with things like, the weather; you can't change it, so you adapt and accept it."
Hoorah !!! Common sense at last Nichola :)
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"If you cannot change it, then, realize it's in the same category with things like, the weather; you can't change it, so you adapt and accept it."
As Karaokemark posted, you can change it.
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the law in Turkey, dogs bark
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Must remember to book our two in for voice box removal before we retire.
(Wouldn't want to be upsetting anyone ;) )
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"If you cannot change it, then, realize it's in the same category with things like, the weather; you can't change it, so you adapt and accept it."
Hoorah !!! Common sense at last Nichola :)
So Kevin, if, when you get to Turkey, something which you cannot change, constantly prevents you from having your normal deep sleep you will apply common sense and accept it. :-\
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Kevin will think very differently when he has had the experience of living full time next to a barking dog who gets set off every time you are just about to drop off asleep again, which in fairness he hasn't so doesn't actually know whether he could just accept it ;)
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How can you change it? Report this to Zabita so they then fine? The dogs are then sometimes let go and out on the street, so how does this help? Or they are poisoned? I would agree that it is annoying when dogs bark but there is no easy answer. Also with break ins, I can understand the reason for keeping a dog to ward would be thieves off. Noise is also a strange thing - I lived for many years in the UK very close to a church that rang its bells every sunday - every visitor to my house remarked on this and said,' does it not annoy you, this row?'. No it did not because I was used to it.More recently,when I stayed with my daughter in London, the noise of the ambulance, police and fire sirens, plus the traffic noise kept me awake.
I would rather have a dog, or even several, barking in Turkey than that and all associated with it!
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Didn't mention this in my last post, but thought you may like to consider this as the hot topic is dogs barking...
I live next door to a business which has a dog, not a guard dog mind it's kept as a pet and it's as soft as lights. However, it does yap it's head off whenever it sees or hears another dog, so quite frequently.
The business owner doesn't live at the property though and when he goes home every night he doesn't take the dog with him. Now that is wrong. Have a dog by all means, but be around to look after it (and put up with the yapping). Like someone said, your own dog waking you up is fine, you wouldn't have one otherwise.
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Unfortunately too many dogs here are tied up on too short leads, never taken for walks and are completely untrained so they bark at anything that moves.
It's just my opinion but I think it is highly unlikely that the Zabita are going to send around a man with chemicals to deal with barking dogs ;)
I know it sounds improbable but it really can make a difference if you just tell yourself you will not be bothered by the noise. The more you allow something to bother you the more it will; the more you tell yourself you will not allow it to bother you it won't.
People live in places where there are all sorts of ongoing noises as Lissa mentioned above and the unless you are going to take on the owners and try and resolve the situation directly with them then far better to try and tune out the noise and refuse to let it bug you. It may not be easy and it may take time but it has to be better than getting all stressed out.
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"It's just my opinion but I think it is highly unlikely that the Zabita are going to send around a man with chemicals to deal with barking dogs"
Nichola
The last thing I would want is for the Zabita to do anything to harm the dogs, they will come out, they will fine the owners and if it persists take the dogs away. The worry is where do they take them and what happens to them.
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There was a case recently here where someone took a dog owner to court because their dog was barking all the time.
The Court ruled that barking is what dogs do and that the dog has the right to bark.
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The barking dogs don't actually bother me. It's the ones wandering around on their own I don't like. They are usually ok I know but they can turn vicious esp in the Winter, as I said before.
Yep dogs bark, they are meant to and sometimes it's a lot less irritating than listening to some humans speaking! ;)
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There was a case recently here where someone took a dog owner to court because their dog was barking all the time.
The Court ruled that barking is what dogs do and that the dog has the right to bark.
Not all dogs.
Some dogs bite too, is their right to do so protected by Turkish law?
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This is true - not all dogs. Ones that are trained to bark only if they sense danger and not at every passer by are more effective as guard dogs if that is their purpose. It is how you persuade owners to train their dogs that is the problem.
And if you were a dog chained up day and night you'd probably bark all the time too.
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As the OP (original poster) I'd just like to say I wasn't complaining about dogs barking (or didn't intend to). I have no problem with noise in the area at all, be that dogs, cows , cockerels, jays , owls, the mosque, microlights, mopeds, lorries...... all fine and add to the rich tapestry of the area :-)
My problem is with dogs going mental at passers by. You can only trust the owner has tied it up properly .... or the string they have tied it up with isn't as knackered as most of the other string used to tie up things here :-) ... or the loose dogs don't actually decide to take a chunk out of you. Irrespective of the sound common sense and logic , I for one know it wouldn't add to the enjoyment of my holiday !
As I said, I see my self as a "dog person" .... (don't get me started on cats' on the other hand ...they are just a waste of fur ;-))
Dogs barking "viciously" at passers by is a problem .... and I'm talking innocent people here paying no attention to the property they are passing .... or schoolchildren etc. ...who no doubt build up a dislike for such dogs and the people who allow the behavior.
Just as a small aside we were walking the other day and I saw a shiny black snake to the side of the path (about 3 or 4 feet long), It headed straight towards us .. fast !. We legged it and we let each other get on with our business. Now that is entirely fine and THAT is natural. Burglar deterrent dogs aint
PS I have some pretty good photos of the snake if anyone is interested :-)
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"PS I have some pretty good photos of the snake if anyone is interested :-)"
yes please!!
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on the subject of dogs etc we are all different and our tolerance for anything can change by the minute/hour /day (mine does anyway!!) I cannot abide loud people in pubs for whom every other word is a four letter expletive regardless of the company, give me a dog anyday, but I can't change it and have to (try to) accept the fact that what is acceptable for many is equally as unacceptable for equally as many!!
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your all barking mad ;D
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my neighbours went to the Belediye because the local goatman has dogs that bark, cockerals that crow, a donkey that wheezes, not to mention goats and sheep. They wanted them removed when they were here for their short holiday breaks. They were reminded firmly that this is a village in Turkey and this is the reality of such., There is common sense that prevails here thank goodness.
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Rosy, I understand you, but they are also living things and they have right to live
Good luck
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for years we have had to put up with the neighbors dogs barking day and night.
but we were only out on holidays 4 times a year so put up with it.
then they stopped picking up the dog poo and it was left for hours,and days when i asked them to clean it up, because we could not eat outside for all the flies they made a little effort and said there is always flies. i cannot repeat what i said on here
they have both passed now and it is so peaceful no barking and no flies
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Rosy, I understand you, but they are also living things and they have right to live
Good luck
Not if they go for your ankles and cause you to fall off your bloody bike. At my age I could have had a heart attack. Exterminate the little yappy gits.
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Our neıghbours complaıned about our street barkıng the other nıght. For theır ınformatıon she had been hıt by a car and was ın pain. Off to the vets today for her. She ıs a docıle dog but does not lıke certaın people because they throw stones at her ıf she ıs near theır vıllas. We may be able to convınce her to lıve wıth us and our other 2 street dogs after today.
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Rosy, I understand you, but they are also living things and they have right to live
Good luck
Not if they go for your ankles and cause you to fall off your bloody bike. At my age I could have had a heart attack. Exterminate the little yappy gits.
Or; exterminate 'old yappy gits' may solve the problem!
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Yeah, especially the ones who own an apartment Carolyne!!!
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"Own an Apartment"' , You can't mean me then Ken as I've Never 'Owned' an apartment in Turkey!! True, I paid for one! but 'Owned one' Lord, I should be so lucky.......