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Other Local Resorts & Areas => Uzumlu Discussion Forum => Topic started by: Firo on September 24, 2007, 12:31:54 PM
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On Sat 29th Sept at 2pm a public meeting is taking place in the tea house opposite the mosque in the village center.
We have been told that TV and press will be attending so can we please have a HUGE turnout.
Any questions please pm me.
Thanks
Fi
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Thats great news, sorry we will not be there untill late October.
thanks again for everyones efforts.
Tony
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will pass the word on to all those without computers ,perhaps some notices might help
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Hi Firo,
Is there any good news to report from the meeting held on September 29th? We heard that the owner of this outrage, and his accountant, are in jail! Do you know anything of this?
Thanks.
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The meeting was attended by over 200 locals with most being Turkish. The press & TV were in attendance and there were speaches by 4 spokespeople which were translated for us expats. It was on Turkish TV that night showing the quarry and all the dust and extracts from some of the speaches with some interviews. Apparantly it was an excellant peice about our concerns and our fight.
We are now talking with the lawyer from Antalya about the 2 court cases we need to take out, one for the cement factory and another for the Lime kiln.
Its pretty much now a case for the legal system to carry on but we are still collecting signatures. The best thing for me was the fact that the petition was taken from me at the Sat meeting by the local village men and was passed around and we must have collected over 150 Turkish signatures which shows clearly that the villagers are now aware of the dangers and the fact they can fight this threat.
So we are still very much continuing this protest but it is now heading to the next stage of taking it through the courts.
Fund raising will be addressed soon and as soon as I have news on that I will post it here.
Yes the owner Halil is in jail re the Olu Deniz road scandel along with 12 others I think.
Thanks
Fi
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Well done! I hope this can be stopped for the sake of ALL who live in and around this lovely village.
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Yes, well done and thank you!
I am in Uzumlu for a week towards the end of October please let me know if I can do anything to help.
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Many thanks for the update.
Seems the meeting was a great success, well done to all concerned. Now we will have to put our faith in the legal system and pray!
Unfortunately, we are unable to be 'on site' to offer help as our Villa hasn't been built yet, but if there is anything at all we can do we will. Perhaps you will think we are crazy going ahead knowing this situation loomed over Uzumlu, but we loved the village so much we were determined it was not going to prevent us from realising our dream, hoping common sense will prevail!!
This guy appears to be dodgy anyway, if he has been implicated in the corruption at Olu Deniz, lets hope this goes well and truly against him regarding 'our' cause!
Our thanks and very best wishes to all.
Alan & Carole.
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We will be over on the 26th October, moving into our new houes on the Candiana road, the Quarry is an eyesore from there.
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Report of Protest meeting held on Sat 29th Sept 2007 in the café in Uzumlu
Against the stone quarry, proposed cement factory and lime kiln in the Uzumlu valley.
The meeting was well attended by over 200 people with the largest proportion being local Turkish villagers. It was encouraging for everyone to see that they now realise the dangers of the proposed development by Urantas.
The meeting was opened by Turgut Saydan chair of the Organisation for the protection and preservation of a Green Uzumlu. The opening speech delivered by Kemal Ozkara, member of the protest steering committee, was as follows:-
Greeting to all our dear friends, who are sharing the same sky, air and place together, our best wishes for a healthy life in a clean environment.
The reason for our gathering today is because of the danger the area is facing from the quarries, cement factory and lime kiln that are already built or are going to be constructed in the near future and which will destroy our environment.
It is in our hands to stop this and we will tell you how.
Firstly we have to work together.
Uzumlu, Incirkoy, Koru Koy and Arpecik Koy, Fethiye, Turkey - the world - needs bright intelligent and courageous people.
This means intelligent people who care for their environment and who will use this intelligence to work to keep a safe and clean environment.
This means people who are not only driven by greed and the need to make money at any cost, but with the courage to act to protect the civil rights of their neighbours as well as themselves. We need people with the courage to be on the side of right and not helping the powerful.
We are privileged to be living in this beautiful environment and we should fight to save it.
We should fight to prevent other's attempts to pollute this with sulphur, excess carbon dioxide carcinogens and other toxic matters.
We should not allow the devastation of our forests and land where civilisation has previously thrived for thousands of years.
Coming together with a strong conviction of the value of what we have, we can and we must fight to protect and even improve it, we will NOT give permission for these beautiful mountains and this environmentally special area to be destroyed.
This was followed by a short speech by Dr Erdal Aytluner, who lives in Fethiye and whose work is dedicated to the effects of pollution on human health. He welcomed the attendance of so many people and voiced his concerns about the adverse affects the loss of the natural environment and pollution is likely to bring to the area.
We were then informed about the presence of a rare salamander, the Lykian Salamander which is exclusive to the area between and including Dalyan and Uzumlu. This Salamander is on the world's red list of endangered species, meaning this area should be under special protection.
Cahit Engin, chair of the chamber of architects then told us that an important part of the architects brief is to help create and preserve an environment where people can live healthily and happily. They are concerned that no sign of the proposed change of the Uzumlu area to be used for heavy industry has been posted on the general plans of the area - the type of plans that feature future developments. The head office of the chamber of architects will be investigation and if necessary contesting this issue. The chamber of architects will also be briefing and paying for a lawyer to contest the building of a cement factory and lime kiln, even extensive stone quarries in unsuitable areas. This may require more than one law suit, however we have found a lawyer from Antalya who has successfully conducted previous cases of a similar nature. Court hearings should be following shortly.
He pointed out that we are all against the destruction and pollution of the environment, not against people earning an honest living.
Two questions or points were raised.
The first was from a teacher living in Incirkoy, he stated that the villagers had become very concerned about the size and amount of explosions from the quarry so they feared their houses would crack and fall down. He stated that he called Halil Uran and asked him to reduce the strength of the explosion which he apparently did. Had the protesters tried to contact Halil Uran? The answer was we had, whilst Halil Uran was unavailable, his brother Haluk had been contacted early on and had been asked to address us as to why we did not need to be worried about, no attempts to meet us were forthcoming.
(Incidentally the day after the meeting a very large earth shaking explosion took place at the quarry.)
The next person stated that she wished to see the Council leaders of both Uzumlu and Fethiye along with the area Muhtars seated on the top table fighting alongside the protesters. The leader of Uzumlu and most of the Muhtars were present at the meeting.
There was good press attendance including TV and local papers and they left at the end of the meeting to photograph the very extensive excavation of the mountainside so far.
Thanks
Fi
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Hi thanks for that,we were at the meeting but a lot was lost in translation just read the latest copy of land of lights the only metion about meeting was made by A Naci Dincer ,shocked to see nothing from the editorial team,i thought that as a local paper some thing like the proposed developement of
the cement works would take presidence over tourists getting fined for playing bingo COME ON LAND OF LIGHTS GET YOUR PRIORITIES RIGHT,Calvin
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In defence of LoL I only received the translation of the speeches today and it was sent straight to them and the Fethiye Times so no doubt it will appear in both soon.
Both papers have been very supportive of the protest publishing any news we have.
Thanks
Fi
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I to was at the meeting as I own land in Koru Koy, understood some but not all. Thank you for the translation. So happy to see so many people there.
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Whoop,s put my foot in it again sorry
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No problem
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Amused to read A.Naci Dincer's short comment on the cement factory row (Land of Lights 9-15 Oct page 4) - "the dust originating from the factory.....would stick to the moist skin of the salamanders living only at Uzumlu.....". No mention of the moist skin of the residents and the small matter of the decimated property market. So long as everyone's priorities are in line. As I said some time ago we are of no concern to the Turks - we count less than a slimy lizard!
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At last, confirmation that to some, this isn't about beauty, health or nature, it is entirely about you and your own personal financial value.
I have admiration for Fi, Eric and those who have the future of Uzumlu in mind, but I suspect they could do better without contributions from you.
I speak my mind like you do, and to me I care far more about the effect on the salamanders than the effect on the value of your property.
Your bigoted stereotyping of the entire Turkish people is racist and totally incorrect. The Turkish people I know appear to care about their foreign neighbours as much as their own.
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Well said Keith, I've been trying to find a positive, friendly or helpful post from Mr Tippet, apart from his original salutation, no success.
The mind boggles that he actually lives in a country he shows little, or no respect for, or it's people :(
Nowt as strange as folk.............
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Thanks Scunner & Cef ....I was for once (not often I admit ;))lost for words after reading Chris Tippets post.
He seems to be only worried about his personal investment in Uzumlu. The article quoted was highlighting the Red Lists endangered spieces of Salamander found here and some think this might be one of the things that can win the case.
He obviously cannot read as there is plenty written in the translation of the 29th Sept meeting about the health dangers to the people who reside in the area( and thats all nationalities) and can I add it was all said by Turkish people who care about the enviroment so in my mind he's talking out of his a..e!
Healthy debate I can handle but someone just concerned about his properties value is of no interest to me and the others spending our time & energies doing our best to help our Turkish neighbours stop this project.
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Keep the faith- you will always come up against a difference of opinion but you must fight for what you feel right. If this is the welfare of a lizard or a small corner of the Turkish countryside then so be it. I have been watching this thread with interest and wish you all the success the campaign deserves.
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Chris Tippet ,get a life
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LOL
A good point, well argued.
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Personally, I love lizards - and if you get to know them they are not slimy at all : :) Now, some people, thats a different matter... ;)
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Myself and my partner were at the meeting and I have to say that I found it quite emotional to see how passionate the Turks were about the possible devastation of their countryside. I also notiuced that when any speech was translated for the British people, the Turks were as enthusiastic with their applause as the Brits were. This alone leads me to believe that Chris's comments that the Turks are not bothered about us are just a figment of his somewhat strange imagination.
We intend to live in Uzumlu at some point, cement factory or not.
I would like to ask Chris a couple of direct questions, why do you choose to live in a country where you appear to have no respect whatsoever for the locals, you obviously have no interest in making friends with the ex pats there and your precious property value (according to you) is spiraling down the the pan.
If I were in your posistion I think I would be on the next flight home.
Thanks to all who gave their time to attend and for the translations, we will be at future meetings if we are in Uzumlu. Keep up the good work it is apprieciated, by most of us anyway.
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My partner and I are in the throws of becoming Uzumluareans!!! (Part time at first)Personally, we would not consider moving to someone else's country with the idea that we could somehow bring the locals round to 'our way of thinking'. The whole idea for us is to live as the locals do, to be a real part of the community, otherwise what is the point of leaving your own country if all you are looking for is a 'little England' somewhere else? To us the whole idea is to leave England very much behind!
We have been keeping up to date with the cement factory saga and are with everyone, locals and ex-pats who want this outrage stopped. I have to say though, we are behind the protest more on behalf of the locals, whose whole livelihood is at stake here, at least we can go 'home'!!
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Originally posted by calvin 1949
Whoop,s put my foot in it again sorry
You must have big feet to fill that cavity !!! 8)
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I would like to thank everyone who are taking part in these protests and who supports this brave action againts greedy B..ds...
You are all "very wellcome" to Turkey and decide to live with us and trying to be part of our community, bringing your own experiences. We should make most of it and enjoy it. Happyly. We have all we wish. It is upsetting me personally when I see comments like above. We don't need that. We all have our own small heavens and enough for all of us.
Let's continue to fight against this project togeteher, let's encourage people who are phisically 'there' fighting on also behalve of us. Let's keep them motivated. One day we will celebrate together, we will walk around and say: We did it !!! We save it !!! We can leave this small haven to our children and grand children.
Of course we also must understand some of our collegues invested their life savings here. Of course this is a concern for them. But what ever the reason let's fight together.
Thank you.
Dogan
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Dear Dogan, I don't know you but thanks for bringing a bit of much needed honesty and perspective to this debate, which is what I have tried to do - and all I have got is a load of personal abuse. Of course none of want this factory for a whole host of reasons - quality of life, scenery, future generations but as Dogan rightly says "some of our colleagues have invested their life savings here". My point exactly. I worked bloody hard for my money and I make no apologies for showing concern that my investment in Uzumlu is threatened by this blight.Hopefully the contractors will be beaten but whether we Brits have a real and genuine voice in the debate is, in my view, questionable. That's where I came in..........!!!!!!
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Chris,
Stop being counter productive. Are you naive enough to think that these threads are being read only by CBF members? Anyone can read the comments without being a member. I applaud free speech and have made such comments regarding this in the past, but on something as important as this we must not be seen as "whinging money grabbing ex-pats".
Every one who owns property has a large investment in it. This investment is only realised when/if they intend to sell and move on. Most people who I know, Ex-pats and Turkish alike, are here to stay. Its where they have chosen to live, work, retire and probably die (Not meaning to be morbid) Those who are worried about their 'investment' are generally those who want to make a profit out of an area or situation and move on. Which are you?
You ask if "we Brits have a real and genuine voice in the debate". The answer is a resounding YES. We Ex-pats, not just Brits, have assisted our Turkish neighbours right from the start. We have access to area's where they do not, for example; British Euro MP's who have taken up this cause and have presented the case to the Turkish committee who are negotiating for entry into the EEC as how not to behave if they wish to be a member of the EEC. The British Consulate in Ankara who have taken up this cause and are investigating the legalities of it with the Turkish Ministry of the Environment in Ankara. The Authorities both local and regional are seeing a united front in this fight, ex-pats have the experience of coming from a more democratic country and Turkish neighbours can see that a fight/cause can be won. Using the 'my house is losing value' argument, by either ex-pats or Turks, will not win any fight, it will only undermine the arguments and detract from the environmental issues, health issues and long term economic plight of the farmers of the valley who will lose their livelihood and income. Is this not a real loss of investment and life savings?
Please stop being cynical, the real investment is in the health, welfare and continuing livelihood of these communities, not some short term monetary gain from buying and selling houses. If you support this cause then you will stop commenting on your potential monetary loss and be more supportive of our Turkish neighbours and friends in this fight. Take on board ALL of Dogan's comments not just the selective parts that support your misguided argument
Eric
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Dear Eric,
Thank you for clarification and very good update. I was (maybe most of us ) not aware of all these actions. Impressive. In fact this is what I ment by saying "bringing your own experiences"... without our english collegues, we would never go that far. I guess this will cancell saying 'brits has no word to say'... I agree every single comments you made.
Dear Chris,
I am Turkish, living in Belgium (lived in Briton for 7-8 years )and have little investment in Incirkoy but have place in calis. Hoping to die one day in Fethiye. Very happy to have people like you and other as neighbours.
Pls try to see the way Eric's and us see. No one is ignoring people's investments. But, tragedy is much more then that and we have no case to win only if we see it as "loose of value for our properties" and investments and.. etc... this kind of developments happening in everywhere in europe now. I am living in middle of europe, in fact hart of europe, Liege airport had permission for night flights, after long-long court cases, local government asked and forced to pay compensation for our properties. Beleive me, the impact to community was huge... even with some good pay outs damage was too heavy.. I can not evaluate only with money. It is too long to write at this forum. I was in Poland 10 days ago ( KTW ) same case. They just 'pay-out'and that's it. Means we all have value in $$$ that can be paid... sorry not me. And I am happy to see I am not alone in this forum...
Pls be supportive to people who are acting and doing and making it and happeneing. At the end, it will also solve your problem too... I really do beleive and strong hope that they will stop this sh.t happening there. But they will not stop if our 'brave' people will not stand against it. It is as simple is that.
I just had news that, they also stop gold mining research in north west part of Turkey (Kaz Mountains ) which was killing the most valuable forest in Europe, third in the world...
Keep on figting.
K Rgds
Dogan
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Here here Dogan well said and we should ALL fight the good fight, I am not interested in what the price of my property does as soon it will be my home, a home in a place I LOVE amongst a people I love not all of us are mercenaries !!
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Dear friends,
I just received following information from Firo.. and couldn't wait and felt need it to be posted...
"Ok this is the latest news.... direct from the authorities.
After lots of contact with the UK Foreign Office Second secretary in Ankara...he did lots of investigations and asked questions on our behalf...we had confirmation in the form of an official document via the UK foreign Office, from the Turkish Enviroment Ministry that the cement factory had been refused because it was on forestry land. After speaking to the lawyer, we have retained, he thinks that because of the reasons for refusing the cement factory, the Lime kiln will go the same route.
Now we have to go through the courts so that not only it is refused by the Ministry but also the courts, so that Urantas will not just go ahead and build it and suffer the consequences(as is fairly normal in Turkey).
This means that we are winning but we want it all water tight for the future. We are also trying to look into the original quarry permissions as this has trebled insize over the last 2 years.
So the fund raising continues so that we can fund the legal side and then we all will hopefully be able to sit back, breath fresh air and enjoys our homes in the Uzumlu valley.
Many thanks to all that have donated so far it is greatly appreciated by those of us who are fighting the plans on the ground in Uzumlu on everyones behalf.
We have a special night planned for Friday 30th Nov in Uzumlu so if you are here then please get in touch for more details but I can tell you it will be great fun.
If after all this is finished there is any money left in the fund then we will be donating it to a worthy cause in Uzumlu.
Finally, after being told numerous times by certain parties that us Brits would not be listened to by the Turkish authorities and that we had no right to get involved, all I have to say is "Look at the results" and say we did not help this protest!
Many thanks to all who have supported us in Uzumlu and the UK, but we still need those donations
Fi "
Thank you foreveryone who supported this movement..... we all made it.
Dogan
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Thanks Dogan you beat me to posting it :D ;)
Fi
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Firo,
We, all togetger beat the B..tards... (sorry, I know I am not nice but they well deserve it)
Dogan
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I have been reading this and the previous thread with great interest. It is obvious that there are a lot of ex pat Brits and holiday home Brits in Uzumlu. It also seems to be well chosen by people planning to buy and move permanently either sooner or later. Surprisingly, through both threads, I can only find one Turkish contributor, located in Belgium.
Anyway my question is whether the properties that you have had built or bought are founded on bedrock or hard clay and is you brickwork and render bonded with Mastik, putty, Araldite or even chewing gum [?] Or is it the case that you are prepared to tolerate cement as long as it is produced in a plant that blights somebody else's village [?] Also when you have won this battle are you going to do some fund raising to help the Turkish families who might have been hoping for employment[?]
Ken
p.s. We've got a cement plant just down the road from us in Gunlukbasi, although I concede it might only be "readymix" mixing.
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Dear Kenkay,
Please allow me to answer your question on my behalve. Construction industry is a growing and lockhomotif sector in Turkey. I never disagree any kind of investment or developpement which will create more jobs and revenue for the local community. BUT, this specific project will not ONLY (negative) impact people who has a house or holiday homes in uzumlu, also and surely will (negative)impact local people who are living (still) on agriculture AND tourism. Tourism is the key and is/will creating long term job opportunities for the local people, not the cement factory or similar developpements. My motivation was not only for holiday homes etc... but impact to beatiful country side and trees that only grows in this area, pls note that I am not expert, but when I drive in april, I have to tell you, I was about to cry... to see all these trees were laying side of the road... freshly cut... most of ourr colls in this forum was agree with me at first meeting.
Why there are not Turkish in this site ? simple, this web side design and communicated mainly for the british, I was informed by my best friend who lives in UK so that's how I become interested. Maybe there is a lack of communication or lack of promotion of this web site. Also, not so many local villagers do read in english. But, from my personal communication, they were so supportive when I visit uzumlu with some british friends.
Fyi, this is 100% correct information, the reason urantas wanted to set this plant in uzumlu, to save cost of transportation!! infact 50 km north part of fethiye, there are similar places that they can produce cement,with no impact to enviroment, it is mountains... when I put question and my comment, "Yes but, we are already paying high prices for the houses, and what additional cost to house buyers ? " I have not received clear answer and then only few thousand YTL.... for me it was a joke... just greedy approach.
Ref to cement base in gunlukbasi, if you stand up against it and start action I will support you. Fethiye is a place for tourism (side industry is wellcome) and agriculture, nothing else. I already pass this message myself to Head of counceller too. If you know any other case pls let us know, we may also support that action.
In order to help local economy, I suggest on my previous messages, we need to support small business as much as we can. As long as their pricess are not so different then supermarkets... that will be already good.
K. Rgds
Dogan
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Kenkay,
Firstly you live next to a concrete plant not a cement plant.
There is a very distinct difference in the emmissions between the 2 products. A Cement Factory emits the 3rd highest amount of Mercury into the air we breathe as well as carcenegenics. This would effect an area up to 40kms depending on the way the wind blows so as you can work out that includes Fethiye, Calis and Gocek. This would devestate agriculture in the area, kill fish farms on which the locals depend for their living not to mention the health of everyone who breathes in the pollution young and old.
Turkey has enough cement for its own use as documented in the press.
The number of jobs are 25 that stand to be gained but how many jobs will be lost due to this factory? Far more in the tourism industry as well as builders, local shop keepers and food suppliers will lose their jobs.
We are mainly British on this site as that was what it was designed for if you wish to speak to the Turkish people fighting this then please let me know and I will gladly arrange a meeting for you to attend.
We are a united community of Turks, Brits,Germans etc fighting these plans to protect the people, the enviroment and our villages.
I hope this answers your questions and I,m sure if you now do your research you will find out exactly what the differences are between a concrete plant and a cement factory and exactly why we are fighting this.
Thanks
Fi
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Very well said Fi.
Plus add us Irish to the international list
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Dogan and Firo
I accept and sympathise with your concerns and your reasoning. However, your statement, Firo, that an area within a radius of 40 kms can be affected compounds the matter even more. We all want our properties to be of modern and safe construction which primarily involves the use of cement in it's various forms. Please tell me where it can be produced without upsetting someone.
Ken
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You are right kenkay wherever the cement is produced there will be pollution, but surely the object of the campaign is to make sure it is not produced in an area of outstanding natural beauty, or do you think they should chop down all the trees and build whatever they like there, it is not a case of NIMBY as you insinuate, it is a case of protecting the local natural beauty and also peoples health, as firo as said Turkiye already produces enough cement for what it needs. If you have been following the thread you will also have read that all the plant for the factory was coming from India now that will help the local economy.
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Kenkay,
Why can the cement not come from the same place it is already delivered from, as already stated Turkey produces more than it needs. There is no shortage of cement and the only reason it is being proposed by Urantas is to cut their delivery costs.
Commercial greed above an area of natural beauty, locals health and damaging their way of living???? Make your own decision.
Thanks
Fi
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Just imagine this view with 6 silos and a lime kiln on the scar that Urantas hve already gouged out of the mountain.
(http://img444.imageshack.us/img444/930/1000816uo2.jpg)
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Cliff. Did I say that they should cut down all the trees and build whatever they like [?] No 8). If there is already a sufficiency of cement produced in Turkey then it must be in the wrong place. Firo suggests that it is based on greed in reducing the transportation costs. Or maybe it's so we can have 4 bedroom villas with pool for 150 thousand quid that would cost £300K in the UK.
As I said earlier I sympathise with your cause and I do not condone the destruction of areas of natural beauty (although I am not as impressed with Uzumlu as many).
Considering the 40 km radius claim, there is probably not a cement production site in Turkey that is not controversial
Back to you Cliff, like it or not, I think their is a bit of NIMBY involved.
Good luck with your ongoing fight.
Ken 8)
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Kenkay, I can't believe you would not protest if someone wanted to put a rubbish tip or sewage plant outside your house let alone a cement factory,(in Turkey or UK)would you be a NIMBY? You have a concrete plant down the road but that was there before, so your choice. As you say, you wouldn't want the forest distroyed and everyone fighting against the factory dosen't either.
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Voyager, N.I.M.B.Y.Not in MY Back Yard.
Gordy.:D
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kenkay.... you wouldn't happen to be related to Mr Tippet would you? Just thought I could see a 'family trait' coming through in your posts!!
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Dear Carlan, I wondered how long it would be before someone raised my name again.I should point out that I have not contributed to this thread since 19 October as I have made my position quite clear and do not feel I have any more to add as things presently stand. However I do believe we are all being disingenuous if we say there is not some degree of NIMBYism in the actions against Urantas. Personally I see nothing wrong with the NIMBY argument - we are all human after all and it would have been more convenient if the proposed factory had been sited at Izmir, Ankara, in fact anywhere apart from Uzumlu!
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Carole, I just cannot see that. I think that I am the dead opposite of Mr Tippet.
Cheers
Ken :D
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Hello Mr Tippet.
Of course there is an element of NIMBY to the argument, but I personaly, and I'm sure most other people, are far more concerned about the adverse affect such a factory would have on the local population, both in terms of livlihood and long term health. Uzumlu, as you know, is a traditional working village, it is the future well being of the local people that is the first concern for most.
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Hello ken,
Sorry if I got you wrong :-\ Just thought you were under the impression that the majority of us were only concerned about cheap housing! I think the country and it's people were the first point of sale for most, I'm sure no one would buy a property and move to a country, say Iraq, just because the price is too good to miss! Basically, we are all concerned about the environment, as we are in the UK, and, here or there, big business should not be permitted to destroy communities in the pursuit of monetary gain. After all, they are not intending to produce a life preserving commodity, Turkey is inundated with cement!
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I think the NIMBY argument is secondary to the fact that this fight is being fought by ex pats that have or intend to retire to Üzümlü and . monetary gain is way down the list, preserving the enviroment for themselves may be deemed selfish but is a good cause to fight for. Üzümlü may not be everybodies cup of tea but it is a place I love, as are the people who live there no matter what nationality.
:)
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Hi again Carole. When I referred to cheaper housing please note that I said we, including myself. I bought a modest Duplex in a place that I love. The fact that I could not afford it in many other Mediterranean or Aegean locations helped me to discover Turkey and makes me even happier to have a place here. Only wish I could relocate permanently.
Cheers
Ken :D
p.s. Where are you from in Cumbria. Before retirement I worked at least two days every week in Workington and stayed at Great Broughton.
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Let's face it. There are those who intend to make a life in Uzumlu who are appalled at the prospect of a cement factory being built where they live. There are also those who either bought to make a profit or have their houses up for sale, who, quite understandibly, did not want the prospect of the factory being built to become common knowledge.
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As I understand it the cement factory has been given the chop, with enormous thanks to all those who put up such a tremendous fight on everyone,s behalf, so should we still be bickering over peoples motives for wanting the project scrapped? I think we all agree, our chosen part of Turkey is beautiful, why would we not want to keep it that way? Even above that though, I'm sure we all put a higher value on our health than a pile of bricks and mortar!
Ken. I live in Sedbergh near Kendal, 'the gateway to the Lakes' (For now anyway!!)
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Yes, maybe now is time to just be stop questioning each other and be grateful it didn't happen, whatever your personal objections may have been based upon.
In the Uk I lived in Leighton Buzzard 'the gateway to the Luton'
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Got to agree looks like thanks to Fi Eric and the locals the fight is nearly won and got to agree with kenkay where ever you are in this beautiful country you will say it is the best that surely is the Beauty of Turkiye.
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