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General Topics => The Debating Chamber => Topic started by: suehugh on March 18, 2014, 20:16:53 PM
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There would be a public outcry if people were involved.
But it's just horses at Cheltenham
And we have the Grand National pending
2 deaths last year I think.
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I'm not half as worried about the fate of a few well trained and well nourished thoroughbreds as I am about the hundreds of horses being abandoned and starving to death in fields around the UK.
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I don't disagree with you.
Can't save them all
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Any animal, specially dogs and horses who are left to die, abandoned and alone upsets me very much, but I do feel much of the problems are caused by the greedy vets who make a very good profit from the insurance companies when your pet is insured, but when the owners cannot afford the premiums still sting you for hundreds of pounds most people cannot afford. This causes many people who do care for their animals to abandon them rather than bankrupt themselves paying vets bills
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Lets hope they send the dead horses to africa /syria to save some human live's >:(
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I really can't see someone who cares for their animals abandoning them if they can't afford treatment.
Agree that vet's bills can be staggering so I would be sure I could afford insurance if I were to have a pet. Circumstances can change for people and maybe they can no longer afford it but does that mean you leave your pet in a field to die - someone who doesn't care might.
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I agree Bluwise, circumstances do change but a lot of the time I think that they are abandoned by people who can afford the bills but just don't care about the animal itself. >:(
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Happens all the time. My D.I.L. who has two horsed reported two horses in a field near us that were very badly neglected. The case was so bad that the horses were signed over and removed within a couple of days. After seeng a Vet one was put down, the other which was full of worms and could hardly walk as it's hooves were so overgrown, was brought back to health and eventually re-homed. This all done through a Charity Organisation.
Calling out a Vet to a horse will always be around £100.00. just to get them out is a basic £25.00 before any treatment. People do not realise how expensive it is to have a horse. Horses need injections, hooves trimming, shoeing. Then they need hay and horse food, bedding for the stable when the weather is bad. The list goes on it's around £2.000 per year to keep a horse.
I was speaking to a friend yesterday who had been at a local livestock auction centre There was a horse sale and the horses were making as little as £5.00 each, the sad thing is this means they go for horse meat. Apparently even a thoroughbred well worth over £2,000 only made £200 and one poor horse could not even get a bid.
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Believe me Jacqui I do not in any way condone any animal being abandoned, but all the welfare organisations and charities seem to be overwhelmed by the problem of abandoned animals, I do not know the solution to the problem but daily you read in the press more disturbing stories. I hate the thought of the wild ponies in the New Forest and other places being sold for meat because the owners cannot be bothered and are hoping that someone else will take on the responsibility.
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There is no solution to the problem of unwanted horses. My D.I.L. who is totally involved and mad about horses. Told me recently of a gypsy trying to sell her a horse. We have found out they are renting land locally and buying up cheap horses. My D.I.L. has been down for a look and she was upset and the horses are not being looked after at all and are thin and neglected. We dread to think what is going to happen to them.
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There would be a public outcry if people were involved.
But it's just horses at Cheltenham
And we have the Grand National pending
2 deaths last year I think.
On the day that the first unfortunate horse was killed at Cheltenham, a very stuck -up horsey type ( Female, I think ) was interviewed on screen at the course, and was asked if it was a problem, she replied, with her snout up in the air, that it was "extremely sad, as it left a gap in the yard, which the owner and the trainer would have to fill ", cold-blooded basta&d !!
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Whether it's a thoroughbred horse or not, it seems wrong to race the animal into the ground for the sake of entertainment. I am not against horse or dog racing. Bit I think with all the money swilling about in dumb animal racing, more could be invested in making these races safer. Not necessarily for the riders. It's their choice and they are aware of the risks.
Last years G.N. Two horses died . In one race.!
Some minor amendments to the jumps would not detract from the spectacle and greatly reduce the risk
The recommendations exist.
The abandoned animal issue could be greatly reduced by regulation and enforcement. It's got to be government backed rather than rely on charities. All animals to be chipped. (Apart from stick insects)
Owners to have a licence. Funding for criminal enforcement to come from the licence fee and a racing levy.
Simple.
Vets fees :
Don't get me started. £1700.0 last year. £300 so far this year. (Luckily our vet gives us a quantity discount)
It's our choice to spend that money, but there is a limitation as to how you spend. There are plenty of (vets, but no real competition and price clarity.
Perhaps competition from Pets At Home and the like may be the start of the revolution here.
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The racing organisations do need to consider the welfare of the Horses and not have ridiculously dangerous courses and the real answer to Animal welfare is, as has been suggested, licensing and accountability and if the Government feel it is too expensive to administer I am sure that the Private Sector could show them how this can be achieved within the licence costs!
Interesting about the Vet fees, one would perhaps be forgiven for thinking that "a real Doctor" has to be so much more qualified than a Vet and therefore shouldn't be able to make so much money, but, actually, it is much harder to get into Veterinary Colleges than it is Medical School! I know of a number of Doctors who really wanted to be a Vet but had to settle for being "a proper Doctor"! So, I suppose, its "supply and Demand" in the pricing area, but I have seen my local Vet frequently reduce the fees dramatically for an elderly Pensioner with a sick dog/cat and I feel you have to have a pretty high level of "humanity" to specialise in the treatment of "Animals" :)
Bonzo
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A few years ago our local Vet came up to my neighbour to castrate two horses, the horses were brothers. As soon as the Vet injected the first horse it collapsed and died. He had overdosed it. My neighbour was very distressed. The Vet immediately called the Knackers Yard and had the horse removed. When the neighbour's husband came home he rung the Vet to complain. The Vet would not admit liability and the horse was then gone. A couple of weeks later my neighbour received the Vets bill of £100.00. for "Treatment to a Horse"
This is the difference between a Doctor and a Vet. A Vet can kill his patient and get away with it.
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I am not criticising the vets too much as ours have been helpful to us in terms of quantity discounts and indeed compassionate care beyond the norm at times.
BUT BUT BUT. There is no real competition as the prices are not transparent until the point of use rather than beforehand. we pay a flat £27.0 for a consultation per cat.*( Other treatment charges are a mystery) I don't know how this compares. My fault I know, I could ring round, but prices should be published on line by now I would have thought..
Another thought for licences to own animals. They should be issued on the basis of income/ assets. if you cant afford 7 cats ( as we had), you should be licensed accordingly.
And JT. I think its 7 years training. That's a hell of a slog.
Jacqui-A complaint could have been made to the Royal Vet College and a civil case could have been constructed, but its not going to happen because of the potential costs.
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A vet has so many species to study, not just the human body that doctors have. I think this is why it's hard to become a vet, you to be among the very top students to qualify. Still, no excuse for seemingly unregulated, astronomical fees.
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Talking of Castration, did you know that the traditional method for assassinating the Sultan, (and a few were, the Janissaries were all powerful and had a few "done!" ;) was crushing the testicles?? The pain and realisation caused a shock that would kill the Sultan! (Or so history has it, maybe if it didn't work the sharp sword would do the trick :) )
Just thought I would throw that in, totally irrelevant really!
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Totally irrelevant, but prompts the question where are they now.
The Sultans, or their descendants.
And what the price of Efes was athe time of the last Sultan compared to now