Calis Beach and Fethiye Turkey Discussion Forum
Other Local Resorts & Areas => Hisaronu Discussion Forum => Topic started by: Scunner on March 18, 2010, 23:23:12 PM
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Opposition to the construction of a dolphinarium in southwestern Turkey is mounting, leading concerned residents to hope that plans for the new facility may be permanently shelved.
Locals established a Facebook group called "Free the Ölüdeniz dolphins" on March 12 and the number of supporters has surpassed 2,000.
http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/n.php?n=-2010-03-18
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Hopefully we are getting there on this!!
Some of the comments are ludicrous - the worst one for me was that the dolphins would be kept inkeeping with Europen standards.
DOLPHINS ARE NOT ALLOWED TO BE KEPT IN DOLPHINARIUMS IN EUROPE!!
The excuses are coming out but hopefully we will stop the building of this before it is finished.
I have e mailed various hotels in the Calis/Fethiye area and have received replies. Not one person has replied saying that they welcome this business in the area!!
Lets keep going!!
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Salih Taşçi, head of the Fethiye branch of the Turkish Association of Travel Agencies, or TÜRSAB:
"Although we think the dolphinarium is good, this is only from a business perspective in attracting more tourists to the area".
Yeah we guessed that much...
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Salih Taşçi, head of the Fethiye branch of the Turkish Association of Travel Agencies said...
Although we think the dolphinarium is good, this is only from a business perspective in attracting more tourists to the area. We are now, however, aware that the standards of the Hisarönü pool may not be suitable for the well being of the dolphins. We are concerned that the pool is too small for these animals, too close to discos with loud music, and we are not sure about the quality of water,"
This is the beginning of positive changes in attitudes - not there yet mind but education and raising awareness is the first step to bringing about change... we're doing this!
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Yes, but it shows what the original reaction was. It wasn't to request information to ensure nothing was planned that may blight the perception of the area. It was a good old rubbing of hands at the prospect of extra money coming into town.
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Absolutely agree with you - I doubt any real thought went into this; just sounded like a good money making scheme at the time...
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There's a post on FB saying the concreting has stopped today - not sure if or how this is significant but expecting a follow up report tomorrow!
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Exactly Nichola! As from my earlier posts they saw "Ching, Ching" didn't even think about the conditions the dolphins would be kept in. Hopefully with the bad press which is going around, the protests, e mails, petitions not only in Turkey and England but now in Europe this will be stopped!! I and many others wouldn't have known about this if we didn't have CBF and it had not been highlighted by SCUNNER
We should all give a thumbs up to Scunner!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Why was not a discussion held in the surrounding area by all the authorities involved to get the views not only from local hotels, Turkish, English local businesses, holiday companies, wildlife consevation etc before this project was even considered??
I had e mailed various hotels and friends that I have stayed in or know in Calis to view their opinions and all replies have been the same! We do not want this!
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The article in the Hurriyet says that the reason for the dolphinarium is to attract tourists. Local people want tourism here in order to make a living and need to bring business to the area.
Why not do what is suggested at the end of the article in the Hurriyet newspaper and build some sort of good quality sports facility, using some foreign investment if necessary to raise the funds.
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The worrying thing is the statement that the mayor is determined to carry on with this project!!
Does he not listen to public opinion.
I have just tried to post on Holiday Truths website but it will not let me add links as I have insufficient posts. Anyone help out??
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Re todays Hurriyet news is this the biggest excuse ever from the Mayor??[:(!][:(!]
Apparently unaware of the negative responses online and the growing concern, Yilmaz said: "I don't like working with computers and don't have one in my office so I'm not aware of this [online activity]: however, I have respect for the views of those who may oppose the dolphinarium and invite them to speak with me in person. My door is always open to the public."
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What sort of Mayor doesnt have a computer in his office? so why does he have a email address? how odd. As if hes not aware of the outcry! Who fancies a trip over, all at once to discuss in person with him, well he did just invite us, didnt he.... x
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According to a post on Trip Advisor a large US welfare organisation has been contacted so hopefully more signatories!!
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Meeting this afternoon between council and the major tour operators to discuss this.
If you know any of these operators please phone/ email them to let them know our feelings
Just been past the hole and NO SIGN OF ACTIVITY - fingers crossed.
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Is this people power at its best or not?
As kaptainkrunchie says "Fingers crossed" and lets keep going!!!
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New e mail/ phone numbers for some of the tour operators.
Thomas Cook-thomascook.com or 0871 895 0038
First Choice-pressoffice@firstchoice.co.uk
Thomsons-24-7@thomson.co.uk or 0844 871 0878
monarch(Cosmos)-monarch.co.uk
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Surprised that the mayor did not know about the on line protest. Earlier this week one of his deputies gave me a right earful about the 1500 emails received and that foreigners should butt out of telling the Turks how to run their country.
It was obvious that the mayor genuinely sees this as a way of boosting tourism in the area.
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So who is telling "Porkies" ????
And it has not only been foreigners sending these e mails, joining the forums etc. it has been the Turkish people as well, so he can't use that as an excuse.
Wouldn't a small golf course, tennis court, childrens small fairground etc. been a better idea for attracting tourists
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quote:
Originally posted by Ovacikpeedoff
and that foreigners should butt out of telling the Turks how to run their country.
That's why it is so heartening to see all the Turkish names in the Facebook groups and petitions. Means we are not "telling the Turks how to run their country", we are supporting the Turks who are telling them how to run their country. Big difference.
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I have been asked by someone on Trip Advisor if anyone could provide the exact location of the site. Which disco is it next to etc. etc.
Your help needed - thanks in advance!
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If you know where Nadia's irish bar is - it's opposite there or before you get to Dragonaro chinese it's on the right where big park is.
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the power of this forum never ceases to amaze me, keep going everyone!
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NEWS UPDATE
I have just spoken to Jo who along with a small group of other Tour Operators and a couple of other people have just finished their meeting with the Mayor.
This is what I was told
1 The land was SOLD some time ago to the organisation that is building the Dolphinarium. These are the people that run the Kas operation. They (as in the council) can't revoke the sale.
2. The council WILL NOT grant a licence to this operation to open UNLESS the Dolpinarium passes the criteria to get the necessary licenses to operate.
The licenses to operate are issued by the Turkish Agriculture and Village Association.
So they can build the pond but it can't open to the public or operate unless it first receives the licence from the AVA and then they would then also have to get a licence to open from the local council.
List of who attended the meeting to follow in seperate post
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Nichola what BRILLIANT news!!
We just have to keep going to make sure that that licence is NEVER granted.
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The meeting today was organised by the tour operators to raise the issues from a business point of view - not necessarily to represent the 'views of the people' although clearly there is some overlap!
Representatives from Thomas Cook plus one of their Turkish agent, TUI and Explorer, plus a lady from Kaya as a local person, journalist Jane Tuna Akatay so we can expect a much better update than I have given you in the Hurrieyet soon.
Oh and some bloke from the Kas Dolphinarium who didn't have much to say apart from its 'just for therapy'
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yes it is brilliant news I was scribbling notes as fast as I could but when Jane reports I am hoping we will get more information and also about who and where next to target.
I think we are definitly making progress and the feeling by those that attended was that there is a 50 50 chance either way.
It also seems that this 'pond' wouldn't pass the very strict criteria of the tour operators themselves in which case they wouldn't be selling this as a trip.
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Originally posted by nichola
Oh and some bloke from the Kas Dolphinarium who didn't have much to say apart from its 'just for therapy'
Surely not, only last night we heard it was just for profit!
Well done Nichola, great work.
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yes it is all very exciting I almost wish I wasn't going out with the girls to Ocakbasi again tonight so I could be around for any new developments ;)
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I can't remeber who posted this last night it might even have been on FB but I thought it was an excellent idea.
To write/email/phone anyone you know at the local hotels/restaurant and bars and urge them to openly boycott it and tell them of course how we all feel about this. The response this person had was generally against it.
The more pressure we can apply anywhere can make a difference and it has been great to see already how many Turkish people from all over Turkey are against this.
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The telling time may come when we see which local tour companies will be promoting the 'facility' - and more importantly perhaps, which ones take the brave decision not to. At that time, it is important that we share this information so we can all use the ones who don't for our own personal excursions, and so we know who to recommend to friends, renters and visitors to CBF.
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From research the "Biggies" TUI, Thomas Cook and Thomsons do not promote any trips to any Dolphinarium in Turkey. So if they are on our side and both Turkish people, expats, Wildlife Organisations etc. etc. are on our side hopefully we can keep on going to make sure this place nevr opens its door to a dolphin!!
Anyone any further news on the exact location??
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Does this mean they will still be able to move the dolphins in while they attempt to get their licence? Could it possibly be that work will still continue in the hope that they they will be granted the relevant licenses? Nicholas post does say "it can't open to the public or operate"
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Basically it is behind the Azda in Hisaronu and has aparts/ bars and Azda on 3 sides and a road on the other. Opposite and up a bit is Morrisons I think it is called!
Cheers I don't know the answer and this is Turkey and things are done differently but I would have thought that the facilities would have to be up to standard and suitable before the Dolphins were allowed in otherwise what is the point.
I can't see how they could be considered suitable on the basis of size alone so fingers crossed!
There is a suggestion on Facebook that it is not true that the land was sold. This of course can be checked.
I think Jane's article will help clarify a few things. I hope it comes out soon.
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Got to say Nichola you deserve 10/10 for your info and effort on this!! I'm sure everyone would agree with that!!
Well done!!
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Thanks but I haven't really done anything more than others. I just happen to spend a lot of time on line... and somehow I got contacted by a couple of real key players about what was going on so was able to follow up and share with you all.
Intersting although may be just a blip but I have tried and failed to get onto the Turkish petition site several times in the past half hour. I am wondering if this has been pulled [?]
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If its this petition http://www.facebook.com/pages/YUNUS-PARKLARI-KAPATILSIN/340170370958?ref=nf
which is the Turkish page posted by Scunner and it must be a blip as have just tried it for you and no probs.
Lin
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Thanks this is the one though - I got on ok this time - 1084 people signed and still predominantly signed by Turks.
http://www.sessizkalmasucaortakolma.com/dilekce/dilekce_detay.asp?id=329
This one apparently not written legally under Turkish law relating to petitions has almost reached its target of 1000 at 994 people signed.
http://www.thepetitionsite.com/4/stop-the-construction-of-a-dolphinarium-in-ldeniz-turkey
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Saw Kerametin,s report on his facebook, saying the dolphinarium is going to go ahead, and if we are not happy, then all animals should not be caged in zoos, birtds should not be caged, and dogs not in homes. How pathetic. My son has written to Sea Shepherd, to see if they can give any advice and help, so, knowing how important all dolphins and whales to him, hope he can help.
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Am I right in thinking that Nichola said the site wouldn't open without the permission of the local council? If so, then is the local council good old Kerramatim Yilmaz?
I, for one, would love a crazy golf site!
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Apparently not Peecee, Kerramatim Yilmaz is only one of a few members of the council! Does anyone have the whole list of the other people so that we can make our feelings known to stop them hiding?
Too many unanswered questions on this one!
Has the land been sold to the Russians? Does the local council even have the authority to sell the land?
Has it been rented? If so who has paid for the work that has been done so far?
Is it even conceivable that a dolphinarium be built in the mountains, where they cannot even be in housed in sea water? If not what is being considered behind the scenes for this piece of land?
The mind boggles!!
By any chance is there an election coming up?
Does anyone know if the concrete was actually poured last night or if the site is still at a standstill?
Have heard that the Yanks have now heard about this. So please everybody keep going!
You can lose battles but still win the war!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Have just joined the Facebook group and have posted a message inviting all my FB friends to join as well. Have also just emailed the UK Sea Watch Fondation bringing this to their attention with a view to seeking further guidance.
Keep up the good work. TT
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Unfortunately work was still continuing yesterday when I walked past.
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Yilmaz is the Mayor, I think that if he says that this monstrous idea is to go ahead , so be it!![:(!]
I wonder just how many foreign residents of the Fethiye, Calis areas actually travelled to visit the aberration that is the Kas Dolphinarium, in the past. It must have generated some business from foreign tourists, or they wouldn't even consider spending money on this one.
Gordy.[:(!][:(!]
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I think a good idea is to find out which of our local tour operaters are going to sell or not sell tickets to the dolphinarium.
No point asking Hamish Mc Turk though because he is one of the investers
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Originally posted by lizsouth
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No point asking Hamish Mc Turk though because he is one of the investers
Where did you hear this? Do you have proof?
If this is indeed true, he will find himself in big trouble when the opposers to the project start to boycott him, and rightly so in my humble opinion.
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Yes we need proof then we can ACT
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The involvement of Hamish Mac Turk is common knowledge in the travel agents arena, The main travel agents were contacted throughout the winter by the dolphin owner and Mr Mac Turk took up the offer to invest,I have spoken to people who have had conversations with him, I believe he is away at the moment, all will be revealed in the process of time,
The best proof would be for him to admit publically or deny publically given the furore Im not sure if this will happen though
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Until he admits his involvement it is very unfair to slate him or his business in this way. Common knowledge is not proof.
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Lets get back to the original discussion, Eh!
Latest from the Fethiye News!
fethiyetimes.com/news/44-news/6109-hisaronu-:
Lets keep going and keep pushing the Dept of Agriculture and village aaffairs to get this decision but it looks as if the project will be finished!!!!
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yes you are right, lets wait and see.
Hopefully all concerned will see it is a dreadful idea and think of an alternative plan.
Why not a swimming pool that is under cover and the public can use all year. I am sure that would be more popular.
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Posted on face book site
"There has been mention that Hamish McTurk travel agency is partnering the deal with the Kaş people in this project. We have just spoken to Hasan of HM and he categorically denies that his company is involved in this way. He does admit that HM conduct the transfers for the Kaş operation. They have done for many years..., and plan to continue to do so if/when the Hisarönü site opens."
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Originally posted by heather07
Posted on face book site
"There has been mention that Hamish McTurk travel agency is partnering the deal with the Kaş people in this project. We have just spoken to Hasan of HM and he categorically denies that his company is involved in this way. He does admit that HM conduct the transfers for the Kaş operation. They have done for many years..., and plan to continue to do so if/when the Hisarönü site opens."
The campaign will be more sucessful by focusing on the objective of not having the dolphinarium open. Personal attacks and claims do not help the situation and could cause more resentment to the campaign if not handled correctly. People made the decision to allow the building work based on the facts in front of them. They have more facts now, including public opinion and should be encouraged to change their mind which may require supporting them to do so.
David
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ok so Hamish Mac Turks brother denies interest,he could say no different given the outcry, as I said previously time will tell, I will certainly not be supporting any of our local travel agencies that intend to make 1 single lire profit on this disgusting project,in any capacity. Where are their morals. as I have said earlier lets find out now which agencies are supporting this disgusting venture,please ask who ever you use for activities, transfers etc.On behalf of the helpless dolphins I thank all of you showing concern.
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David
Someone made an allegation that he was an investor. He denied this.
That is why I posted the comment.
There is no proof he is an investor.
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Heather,
was not criticising your post, just using it to show that someone had to defend thier position, this may not seem a great deal to us but could cause resentment among the local businesses. The previous posts do not help the siuation and we should be supporting the local businesses to make the right decisions.
David
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The main aim of this campaign is to stop the opening of this dolphinarium and the 2 poor dolphins being transported to Hisaronou to make money!!
Can we just all focus at the moment on stopping the licences being granted by the Agriculture and Village Affairs and the local mayors office! I agree with Davidzz upsetting local businesses will not help!! You can vote with your feet if anyone is involved after (hopefully never) the 'Pond' opens.
This topic is now being discussed 'Worldwide'! Petitions everwhere! Many Turks do not want this 'Pond'. Dolphinariums being shut all the time! Don't know if its true but talk on FB that the one in Kas has to close due to plans for a new marina.
Keep doing what we're all doing!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Lets just keep going with the petitions and bombarding everyone that is involved!!
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I have spoken to a few people in the past couple of days and there seems to be interest in organising some sort of local campaign group of interested people.
One of the things that has become apparent (to me) is that not everyone uses the inernet like we do so they don't know what discussions are going on on the Forums or what is happening via Facebook. Therefore good ideas and information is not being consistently shared and there is a risk of people duplicating what already has been or is being done.
A coordinated approach that draws on people locally while at the same time ensuring that people who aren't here can still be involved could be a good way forward. It would make the efforts of all much more effective.
I would like to suggest the following.
1 we hold a meeting open to anyone interested in stopping the Dolphinarium opening.
2 brainstorm constructive and practical things we can do
3.identify ways we can take these forward
4 people volunteer to do what they are comfortable or confident in doing
I would like to suggest if people are interested that we meet somewhere in Fethiye and we do so quite soon. I would say it is crucial that Turkish people are involved if not leading this opposition.
The aim of all that oppose the Dolphinarium is to stop it opening. With mounting public opposition and increasing worldwide interest the pressure is on and the chance to bring this project down is now.
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work continues today
does anyone have the contact details for the dept. of agriculture and village affairs - I have checked all the sites and searched the net and can't find anything
if you look to the left of the photo then you can see what will be the 2 pens/cages the dolphins would be kept in.
This is clearly a bad joke - this pool is barely big enough for someones back garden.
(http://img189.imageshack.us/img189/5007/img6663p.jpg)
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Great idea Nichola!!
I think this should still be peaceful protest!!
1. The word obviously has to be spread where and when. Invite anyone that could help - including anyone from the local licensing offices, Beldiye offices, Turkish tourist agents/officers etc. Obviously if a meeting is arranged it can then be put on the internet and make sure the relevant protest sites etc can make their views known even if not in person.
2. Even handwritten fliers, posters etc which can be given out not only inviting people to attend the meeting but also making them aware of how the dolphins would be living! Getting the local tourist offices involved so that they understand the impact it would have on the rest of their business if they sold tickets for this. The mayor has said his door is always open - I would be the first in the queue on that one. Placards strategically posted.
3. Need a 'what if' scenario so that when one door closes we are ready to open the next one.
4. That is a must as people shouldn't be pressured, especially if they think they/their livelihoods would be in danger.
Will keep thinking!!
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I think we need to be careful here when talking about protests. I am not exactly sure what is the law in Turkey about public gatherings. Last Christmas we had a carol service in Hisaronu car park and the Jeandarma came looking for approval papers.Someone did say that any meeting with more than 4 people needs approval.
I am not against any protest but lets make sure it is lawful. It is better to be safe than sorry.
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To organise a public protest in Turkey you need permission.
These might be a few examples of what we can do
- fact checking information
- raising awareness by sharing facts in relation to the impact on dolphins in captivity
- using our contacts to gather support from local business to boycott this or use their influence to bring pressure to bear
- persuade people we know it will be bad for business
- identify and coordinate mass emails etc to key people/organisations that have the power to stop this happening
and I am sure there are lots more good ideas out there.
Much of this is already happening but lots of people as I said don't use the forums and want to do something but just don't know what to do or where to start.
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Have got this info:
Minister of Agriculture and Rural Affairs - Turkey
www.tarim.gov.tr
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thanks do you know if this has been posted on Facebook yet? I couldn't see it
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Not sure what you mean Nicola but there's this
http://www.facebook.com/?ref=home&!/?ref=home#!/group.php?gid=358308272654&ref=ts
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thanks Highlander - sorry I meant the link to the Ministry of Ag & Village Affairs.
I posted it now on FB and have urged people to write in
www.tarim.gov.tr as Linda posted
if you have translate then can view in English if you don't the contact details are the 3rd tab (running across the top of the page) from the end Bize Ulasin and the one next to it is for the Press Office (Basin Odasa) and brings up an e mail box.
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Hi Nichola, my laptop won't let me send an e mail through this website. Do you know of the e mail address for the press office without going through the website?
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maybe try copy and pasting the email address into your own email
tarimbasin@tarim.gov.tr
I'm gonna work on my mail tomo so I wiii see if it works for me then
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Just got this off the Trip Advisor Olu Deniz discussion forum:
Re Minister of Ag and Rural Affairs is: Mehmet Mehdi Eker
mehdieker@tarim.gov.tr
This gentleman has good English,took his masters Degree at Aberdeen University and is by profession a VETERINERY!!
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Have sent email to Mehmet Mehdi Eker
Will post reply when/if I get one
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Linda will you post on FB - no one is taking any notice of my posts :(
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Hi Nichola. I have put a post on asking people to contact you via your profile. Hope this helps!!
Have also e mailed you!!
Lets keep going
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Cheers, don't know if you've managed to email Mehmet Mehdi Eker. I have found that Hotmail won't send 'outlook' emails but I do manage to send them through Yahoo.
I think Nichola is right with regarding a meeting and, yes, permission is needed from the local jandarma.
Perhaps Hisaronou car park would be a good place or is it too close to home?
Would imagine a lot of people would turn up so somewhere big? :-\
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Hi Peecee we need everybody on board for this one! My e mails haven't come back so am presuming they have arrived. As Nichola has already suggested a meeting and we have put it on Facebook and Trip Advisor - they also have a link on the Olu Deniz forum under 'I hope this never happens' to see what is needed or can be done. Do not know if this needs to be done quickly as 'The Pond' is due to be opening for the summer. It has to be a peaceful demonstration and I do think Hisaronou car park would be a good place as it is right in the middle of the area concerned but we do not want to upset anyone and I wonder how receptive the local Jandarma would be to it!
Sorry for continually repeating myself but can we all 'Keep going'. Any new link to anybody that is given on any forum if we can keep e mailing/ faxing etc. You only need to copy and paste and it only takes a minute!
As I have already said this is now at the attention of everyone not just in Turkey but now worldwide. Lets keep it highlighted!!
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Can I just clarify we don't need anybodys permission to hold a meeting to discuss this. I am suggesting we hold a planning meeting locally to discuss what more we can do and how.
We would need permission to protest publically - that may come out of the meeting of course in which case necessary permission would have to be sought.
I would suggest meeting in Fethiye venue can be decided when we know approx how many people want to come.
I am in touch with someone in Fethiye and she knows quite a few people that aren't on the forum or FB that are apparently interested.
Also Fethiye is central for most people.
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Link to Panorama on BBC can we all try them?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/panorama/hi/front_page/newsid_7755000/7755981.stm
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mailto:%20 panorama@bbc.co.uk
Fethiye is the bigger town so maybe a better idea than Hisaronou - please send your ideas via Nichola's profile, then it can be co-ordinated! If everybody lets her know how many people want to turn up she will be able to find a meeting place!!
Even if you can't turn up let her know your ideas PLEASE!!!
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Tue 30th March
Kismet Bar Fethiye
1.30 for 2pm start
open to anyone to discuss ways forward
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Tomorrow Hurriyet finally prints Jane's latest report from closed meeting with the Mayor last week
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Dont get me wrong on this point of view I am all for saving the dolphins planned for Hisaronu. However there was a post on the forum several days ago, concerning two sharks caught off the coast of Fethiye. I watched the video showing one of these poor creatures being dragged alive by a hook on board a small boat. The shark was covered in blood and apparently died on the deck. No one on this forum as uttered one word of complaint. Sharks and the uglies of this world matter too.
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Cheers, I think you misunderstood my post, I couldn't send an email through Hotmail but did send one through Yahoo.
Nichola, I'm sure you know what's what regarding permission. However, when the Uzumlu Committee Watch held their first meeting they had to get permission from the jandarma?
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Claire I stand corrected re permission for a meeting even if it is just an initial get together.
Better safe than sorry so this is in hand...
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http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/n.php?n=support-in-hisaronu-dolphinarium-shrinks-2010-03-25
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that's my photo - published at last!
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I have used the photo if thats ok and also the hurriyet link on my website aswell to make other expats aware of this and to fight this.
Keep up the good work.
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Originally posted by cheers
Link to Panorama on BBC can we all try them?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/panorama/hi/front_page/newsid_7755000/7755981.stm
or
mailto:%20 panorama@bbc.co.uk
Fethiye is the bigger town so maybe a better idea than Hisaronou - please send your ideas via Nichola's profile, then it can be co-ordinated! If everybody lets her know how many people want to turn up she will be able to find a meeting place!!
Even if you can't turn up let her know your ideas PLEASE!!!
Whilst I agree fully with the protest and applaud the efforts people are making, I do have worries about involving the British media? Turkey is just getting ahead with it's reputation as a good tourist destination and I would hate to think that people re-associate Turkey with the bear baiting days and stop coming? I think with the tour companies pulling their support and the council having all but capitulated, the concept is dead duck (no pun intended) and only a fool would now invest in the idea? I don't think you need the UK Media!
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Starman that's fine... :)
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There will NOT be a meeting in the Kismet Bar on Tuesday.
It won't take a genius to work out why not.
Apologies in advance for posting this on more than one topic but I want to make sure everyone gets this info.
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Originally posted by nichola
There will NOT be a meeting in the Kismet Bar on Tuesday.
It won't take a genius to work out why not.
Let me guess, something that starts along the lines of "Things can become difficult for people trying to run a business in Turkey..." Am I close? Is there a prize?
Pathetic. Thank God the final decision on this will be taken by someone a hell of a lot higher than the local muppets. I think they've watched too many Pacino movies.
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If only I was giving out sweeties ;)
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this is the fone number for the Whale and Dolphin Conservation Society 0044 1249 449 500 or their press office is 0044 1249 449 534
Fone calls often make a difference to how an issue is dealt with, so please if you can give them a call. Should several people call them, I am sure they will take notice.
Also I have written a brief note to HRH Prince Charles Buck Palace. I know it sounds crazy BUT he was very influential stopping the development of Dalyan for the benefit of the Turtles, he does have his mail read, and he knows who to contact in power. Again, with several letters I am sure someone will notice.
please keep up the pressure, the season is only a few weeks away!
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my friends and I will be at the mayors walkabout in Hisaronu TODAY Sunday wearing black, it is very important I think, not to upset anyone and undo the great work that has been done, It is time to step out of the virtual world though, hope to meet others also concerned, We wil at least be able to recognise one another
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Now hit the Fethiye newspapers!!
http://www.fethiyedenhaber.com/haber_detay.asp?haberID=2081
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I have had the good fortune to be introduced to the Mayor at todays event,i.e.spring fair in Hisaronu, he has invited me to visit his office for a meeting with him, which I will attend this week.I am glad of the opportunity to do so.
I also had the good fortune to meet the Turkish News film crew, and with 3 friends had an interview filmed at the pool side.
This will be screened tonight, Sunday, at 7 pm.
I focused on the detrimental effects such a venture would have on tourism, that it was a worldwide protest, would put Turkey in an unfavourable light, that the mayor is a good man, that the tourists and residents of Hisoranu would be much better served by having a childrens play area or indoor pool. I kept emotion regarding he welfare of the dolphins out of the interview.
It is essential that we keep up the pressure especially on these lines
Please do not leave it for others to do the work, every petition signature or fone call will make the difference, it is just a short time away from the season starting and this concrete fish tank from being completed, Thank you to all who do their bit,
I will keep posting any further developments,
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Well done Judith.
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Good for you to have the courage to go today and talk directly to the Mayor. Seems this approach is worth the effort too. Well done :)
Look forwsrd to hearing how your meeting with him goes too.
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The telephone number for the WWF in Turkey is 0212 528 2030
Please ring and voice your concern It is a worldwide force of international standing and must surely be able to help in our campaign.
The email for the lady at WWF dealing with turkish coastal animals is aoruc@wwwf.org.tr
Please write and bring this matter to her attention, thank you.
I would like to thank also The Fethiye News channel for giving us a long exposure on the television last night lets hope it helps
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Hi Judith, well done for keeping up the pressure, I have tried to e-mail WWF as above but it keeps bouncing back. I will go onto the WWF site and e-mail them that way!
Kevin
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There is one too many W in that email address
Should be @wwf.org.tr
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Thanks Scunner, now sorted.
Kevin
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Well done Judith........
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Hi I am Ibo from Zakkum restauant near Migros how do I get onto the dolphin petition on facebook I would like to sign it I am very much against the dolphinarium because it is far too small and tourists will think badly of our animal rights.
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I have been and measured the swimming area of the pool today....
It has been shortened from its original length because of wooden planking, maybe spectators will use this
It is approx JUST 12 METRES WIDE and 17 METRES LONG!!!!!!!!!!
and this will house TWO dolphins!
This certainly does not conform to the European standard which I believe to be 350 square metres for ONE dolphin!
Shameful!
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204m2
I can't see this ever happening
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Looks like whoever drew up the plans has already made it difficult for them to get a license.
David
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The WWF Representative will now come to visit the Kas Dolphins and Hisaronu Pool probably next week. This is very important because this internationally recognised authority on animal welfare will be able to contact those at government level to put pressure on them.
It is vital that we have these heavy weights involved so please write to them. I am in contact with the whale and dolphin conservation society another great organisation to write to.
On the Oludeniz Forum I have put a poster which you can print off.
Now is the time I think to get this campaign visable.It is amazing how many people I meet that know NOTHING about it. Please print and put in your car or window.
On Thursday I am seeing the Mayor, and I will ask to see the plans, they should be avaliable for public viewing.. I will let you all know if succesful!Thank you
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did you know that there is a phone number to ring to complain about anything retourism in Fethiye area
its just 179
or you can contact them via email alo.179@hotmail.com
I have just writen to say that there is a world wide campaign against this proposed dolphinarium and it is putting Turkey and in particular Hisaronu,Olu Deniz in a very bed light which will certainly affect tourism and the perception of this area.
Hope you can all just squeeze a moment to contact them too Thank you
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Email sent registering my protest.
If everyone sent an email it will focus their minds on the outrage this proposal has caused.
Fi
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I'd like to say a big well done to Judith; this is a real coup - getting organisations like the WWF involved in campaigns is virtually impossible and I know she has been working very hard every day to make this happen.
Unfortunately she is away in the UK for just over a week from Monday but there are journalists and other key people that are going to be involved in meeting the WWF next week.
I hope to get feedback and will report to you anything I hear.
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Good luck to all those 'on the ground' with this. Hopefully this monstrosity will get the heave ho!
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Once again, I would endorse my appreciation to those already posted to Judith and all those who are doing all they can to prevent this awful thing going ahead.
I will also now e-mail to voice my concerns as per the suggestion above.
Kevin
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I have sent my email to 179 hope it wasnt too stern but I got on me soap box, hope it helps, come everyone get emailing if you havent done so. Will only take a minute.
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Email being drafted from the Pookie household too.:(
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Just sent off a number of mails as well.
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Have just returned from meeting with the mayor Keramettin Yilmaz -KY- and fellow officials, also visited the Muhtar.
Was shown great hospitality and received warm welcome by both gentlemen.
KY said that all the council has done, is to allow the construction of a pool on the land.They do not have the plans.THE BUILDING OF THE DOLPHINARIUM WILL GO AHEAD and indeed builing works were inoperation today.
Once completed Vali will have to then approve or disapprove it.
The contact detail for this official is mugla@icisleri.gov.tr
He will make the decision.
The European standards for the keeping of dolphins in pools was left on KYs desk and were shown to the Muhtar.
It was explained to all present that pool does not meet ONE of the criterea. The owner of the dolphins AK is quoted as saying that it will meet all european standards, it most clearly doeas not.
Health and safety issues were highlighted, eg dolphins are capable of killing whales, under stress they are not predictable. The pool is not insulated from relentless noice and vibrations from all of the fairs, night clubs etc and will suffer stress, also their sonar will be badly affected causing greater stress, because of the concrete.Add into the facts that the pool, now measuring ONLY 12 metres X17metres swim area,will be divided into two,because they wish to keep the two male dolphins seperate, will further increase the anxiety and stress levels in the dolphins.
These hightened stress levels could be a safety issue with humans in the pool.
Concern was drawn to health and safety regarding the filtration, purification, chlorination,and monitering of the water which will be a possible health risk to humans and dolphins alike if not conducted in acordance with the regulations. No member had any knowledge of these systems to be implemented, it was left to the Buisiness man to deal with,Alesandr Kuznetsov.
Regulations also regarding critical water temperature control, vetinary care, size of pool, customer contact,seperate pool for vetinary inspection,regular bio checks on water, qualified only personnel in charge etc etc was also in the hands of Mr Kuznetsov
The date of the completion of the pool is unknown by KY and the inspection date of the animals, ie are they fit to travel, and their travel date is also unknown by the council.
It was stressed that the concern for this project is worldwide and fast growing, which in turn will influence the perceptions of Hisaronu by tourists and this will not be favourable to local tourism.
However This project is being completed
The mayor,has said previously that his door is always open. He and his colleagues were thanked for sparing time to listen.
The Standards for European dolphinariums is on his desk,KY will see that this project in no way meets ANY of the criterea
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The WWF can back up all you have said and as an organisation may know of something that has not been thought of.
You have done so much so well Judith.
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Well done Judith
we have also sent an e mail to alo 179
Pompeylil
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This topic on the forum seems to be going quiet, I hope it is because everyone concened is busy telephoning or emailing!
Please dont give up.. together we can stop this venture, it will be damaging to the tourist industry and harmful to the dolphins!
I can only repeat, the swimming area of the pool will measure just 12 X 17metres and divided into two. Two wonderful mammals the size of a small car will be incacerated, at altitude, in chlorinated water, stressed because of the vibrations from all the noise, their sonar affected by the concrete etc and made to pull adults around impossibly tight circles all day in order for a buisiness man to make a profit
This is so damaging to the image of Hisaronu
Ghandi once said that a country is judged by how it treats its women and animals....and the world is aware of this project by the attention on the internet
Do not be under any other illusion.. this pool is being built
How lovely it would be to see a pool built FREE for all of the children in the region and how geatly the image of Hisaronu would be improved
thank you
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I certainly will not give up on this one Judith!!
I have e mailed to every link that has been given on this, the FB forum and the Trip advisor one as well!!
If anymore are posted I will e mail them immediately.
Any ideas anyone what else we can do or are we awaiting for the WWF coming over or the finishing of the pool which we are all aware will happen so that further action can be taken?
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We now have an ally at our local newspaper
http://www.fethiyedenhaber.com/yazar.asp?yaziID=2084
Better article than that one sided krap in Land of Lights
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I have posted a simple poster to download on the Olu Deniz forum At the moment there is no visable sign anywhere to draw attention. So many people I have met either do not know the pools existence,location
or the standard to which it is being built. And they certainly do not know the effect it will have on tourism, or the worldwide interest on the internet.please ask your local tour agencies if they are aware of the of public opinion, i believe the only thing that is driving this project is money! and the only thing that might stop it.. is lack of support.
I have an email add you may like to write to mehdieken@tarim.gov.tr or www.tarim.gov.tr
he is the minister for Ag and rural affairs. it essential to be unemotional, but factual. This pool was supposed to meet the European standards, could the department check, because in its present state it clearly does not and we are concerned about the health and safety issues. Not only for the dolphins but, because of confinement and the extreme noise and vibrations from its surroundings, we are also very concerned about public safety.Dolphins are wild creatures and stress can make them unpredictable.After all they can kill a whale! Mention the worldwide protest,Hisaronu linked to cruelty ruining its reputation. Be polite he is a very well respected man and we do need his support. He is also a Vet.
It is essential not to undo the work that has been done so far, they will discard any ranting and raving. Just put the facts and your concerns.
also we very much need the hoteliers and restaurant owners especially in Hisaronu to be fulled informed, Whereever you eat, or if you know any buisiness, hairdresser etc please also inform them of the worldwide protest etc and linking Hisaronu to dolphin cruelty, many of them are so busy getting ready for the season they are unaware of the situation. also they have been told that it will be an asset to tourism.
I thank you as always
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Print your Dolphin Puddle Protest Poster here
http://www.calisvilla.co.uk/DOLPHIN.jpg
If anyone please can give me simple instructions to make this fit A4 it would be much appreciated - thanks
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My friend has just contacted me, he has an idea, does anyone know the contct details of S speilberg, this has all the makings of a film, We have a russian, a mayor awaiting sentencing, two captive dolphins.....
we just need the happy ending
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Brilliant!!!!
Ve hav Vays of making this stop
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And a mystery ????? business man. 8)
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Fancy that!
On the Kas dolphin website, which I must say looks beautiful, except you are not shown the tiny cages and the bloodied, depressed dolphins,the owner has said, quote
HOWEVER IT IS PROVED SCIENTIFICALLY THAT IF DOLPHINS LIVE IN POOLS OR IN THE SEA, WHILE THEY ARE SURROUNDED BY CONCRETE WALLS, THE SONAR WAVES THEY HAVE, WHICH ARE VITAL FOR THERAPY, DECREASE CONTINUOUSLY
so why on earth is he building a supposed therapy pool with concrete walls in the middle of Hisaronu!
This factor will cause great distress to the two poor dolphins incarcerated in a concrete prison because of HIM
Guess he will quickly delete this from his website
Guess he will delete that statement quickly.
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Have sent all the e mails I could where do you suggest we send this one Judith?
Every little helps!!
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Sorry Judith replied before I had read the piece on the Kas website.
It also says...............
'It does not surround dolphins with walls' So what are they doing in Hisaronou if not putting the poor things in a 'POOL' doesn't that have concrete walls????????????
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Concrete walls and mountains between them and the sea.
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well I guess trades descriptions are not relevant here!
But at least we know the measure of the deception and the measures the russian will take to mislead or should I say deceive!
A couple more contacts I have found who are relevant, TURSAB the Turkish Tourist and Travel Agency Federation, local telephone number 6120974, they must be made to know how this is worldwide and will affect the perception of this area by tourists around the world, re animal cruelty ,and they speak english
and very importantly, the Eurpoean minister, after all this was supposed to conform to european standards according to the russian.
contact Mr Egemen Bagis egemen@egemenbegis.com who also speaks english
Please please do write to the minister he deals with officials far higher in authority and these are the people who we must now work on.
also one of the best things any one can do to help is to inform your friends. Most people seem to think it has stopped but is certainly has not.Get your hairdresser, next door neighbour, person next to you on the bus, etc to dial 179 or read this forum. Remember the pool now measures 12 X 17 metres and that will be divided into 2! Tell everyone you know to think of the health and safety issues, and the welfare of the dolphins and the bad effect on tourism. Word of mouth can be one of our best tools, the count down to opening has begun!
I have the good fortune to meet someone connected to Whipsnade Zoo and the RSPCA and will meet with them tomorrow.will let you know if they can provide me with further advice.
thank you
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I recieved this reply from a hotel owner that I have known for some time.
Prefer not to give his name as he is a business man and I have not got or am going to seek permission to name him.
Hia heather,
i totally agree with what you say and tell everyone my opinion....the decision has been made by the mayor who is the owner of the Nicholas group and a fee has been charged so there are two ways the government Will stop it due to legal reasons and pressure from the public or the investors Will change their mind because of the general opinion
I have also sent a report to the Born Free foundation with the facebook link. Not sure if they can do anything but they may think of some other ways to help.
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Judith my e mail came straight back to me for Mr Egemen Bagis, any ideas?
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I have found another organisation who may be able to help. I have e mailed them with my views, will let you know if I get a reply. It is 'Welfare for Animals Global'
www.wagny.org
Please get copying and pasting!!!!
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Just found this on the Turkish Living forum:
53% of those dolphins who survive the violent capture die within 90 days.
The average life span of a dolphin in the wild is 45 years; yet half of all captured dolphins die within their first two years of captivity. The survivors last an average of only 5 years in captivity.
Every seven years, half of all dolphins in captivity die from capture shock, pneumonia, intestinal disease, ulcers, chlorine poisoning, and other stress-related illnesses. To the captive dolphin industry, these facts are accepted as routine operating expenses.
In many tanks the water is full of chemicals as well as bacteria, causing many health problems in dolphins including blindness.
When a baby dolphin is born in captivity, the news is usually kept secret until the calf shows signs of survival. Although marine mammals do breed in captivity, the birth rate is not nearly as successful as the one in the wild, with high infant mortality rates.
Wild dolphins can swim 40 to 100 miles per day - in pools they go around in circles.
Confined animals who abuse themselves (banging their heads against the walls) are creating stimuli which their environment cannot supply. Dolphins in captivity tend to develop stereotypical behaviors (swimming in a repetitive circle pattern, with eyes closed and in silence) because of boredom and confinement.
Dolphins are predators of fish and spend up to half of their time in the wild hunting for food. Supplying dead fish results in less exercise and lack of mental stimulation, thus causing boredom.
When trapped together, males often become agitated and domineering. This creates pecking orders (unknown in the wild) and unprovoked attacks on each other and the trainers. In the ocean, although fights are not unknown, the wild dolphins have a chance to escape.
The last paragraph os obviously why the 2 males are to be kept separate in those small cages!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Sorry to be on my soapbox again but hate the thought of those dolphins in that 'POOL'
Anyone thought about this one?
What happens to their urine and faeces
What chemicals would be used to clear the water for human use? I am sure it would harm the dolphins but what would it do to humans, especially children? I wouldn't want to ingest that water under the guise of 'Therapy'
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Thank you cheers, yes that was one of the issues put to the Mayor,
We need to see the plans so that we can see wether the filtration, purification, chloronation systems are actually going to be built and are they up to speck. The temperature of this tiny pool must also be regulated not only for the benefit of the dolphins but to ensure that all that wee, poo, and chopped up bits of fish, does not provide a toxic mix. It could act as a incubator for pathogenic bacteria!.
How ghastly it would be for those visitors that pay to take part in this cruelty to become sick!
We also need to know how the samples will be taken, how regularly and where the dickens they will be sent to for analysis
Regrettably the council does not know any thing of these matters, it has been left to the Russian
And no, I havent seen the plans yet. The mayor doesnt know where they are.
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should add, well done Turlish Living Forum! perhaps another site that you might all like to contact. Please mention that the swim area is a mere 12 X 17 metres and will be divided into two
Went there today and building work is going ahead, just as the mayor has said.
Met a man with contacts in the RSPCA and Whipsnade Zoo. He has promised to bring this to their attention in the Uk when he returns there on Monday armed with fotos
Perhaps you might like to contact them too, I will post contact detail when avaliable.
Hurry, time is running out
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quote:
Originally posted by Judith
How ghastly it would be for those visitors that pay to take part in this cruelty to become sick!
would serve them bloody right (excuse my French)
By the way Judith I thought your idea of writing to Prince Charles was a good one but I don't think you posted it here yet.
Apparently Prince Charles was instrumental in saving the Turtle Beach or something in Dalyan and he has a home in Gocek (didn't know that b4 yesterday). He clearly has a vested interest in this area.
Anyway if you write (not email) you will always get a reply
Prince Charles at Clarance House, he may take up the cause - gotta be worth a try[?]
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Sorry, I wrote it on the Oludeniz forum before we were one!
This is a plea to every one especially in UK
PLEASE just drop a line to HRH PRINCE CHARLES, Clarence House London
he will reply to every letter written
With D Bellamy he was instumental in saving Dalyan beach from proposed hotel development being built there and thereby setting up the turtle protection which is in
force
Therefore HE MUST KNOW WHO TO TALK TO!!
I beg each Brit with a relative or friend in Uk to write.
It may be their one letter which draws his attention to this
and what a brilliant way to get your children and grandchildren involved! all it will cost is the price of a stamp.
Went to the puddle today... yes they are working on it
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I am obviously a say it how it is girl "Wee, poo etc." and filtration, concentration systems go over my head! All I know is that if I was at the entrance to his 'POOL' and I was with my daugher, son, niece, nephew, grandchild and someone asked me the question "Would you let them swim in a 'Pool' where they could get sick from lack of filtration, dolphins who may be dangerous, chlorinated water, disease" it would make me sit up and think!! As I had paid I would probably go in but just sit off and watch and not any child take part - and I mean watch, I would know the ins and outs of the way those poor creatures were held and then spread the word and then come away and spread the word. I would make sure that nobody I ever spoke to went to this cruel, barbaric place!!
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I have already e mailed Prince Charles via his Duke of Edinburgh scheme. You can also contact all of the Royals and ask for help via the website for Clarence House. Website addresss is http://www.royal.gov.uk/Contactus/ContacttheWebsiteTeam.aspx
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Don 't know if it will be of any help but why not try..
http://www.princeofwales.gov.uk/contactus/
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Mr 'H' anything is of help!!
Can't help thinking though - we know according to the mayor for whatever reason this 'pond' will be finished and that is the end of that!!
Can it realistically open as a dolphinarium keeping in mind the conditions, location, lack of sea water, chemicals which are harmful to humans let alone the dolphins, the damage which will be done to the local wildlife from the traffic exhaust fumes alone, the damage which will be done to the local tourist area from the bad press which it will receive, and many other reasons?
If as has been stated the mayor has no plans whatever for this site apart from the construction plans, which has already been stated are not on view in his office. How on earth was he going to use European rules to allow this to open. Seems to me whatever reason someone saw it was a chance to make money!! Who for? Who knows!!
To what end? The DEATH OF THE DOLPHINS!!
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The top post above reduced me to tears. I will email the bloody Pope if I thought it woud help. I myself, my friends, neighbours and all their friends etc will not visit Hisaranou until this matter is resolved. No this is unfair to the local bars and restuarants but that is how strongly I feel about this matter.
You would think Turkey would take the lead in this and prohibit this venture, think how many brownie points they would score.
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WWF coming Wednesday!
I hope to capture the man on film, fainting with disbelief when he sees the size of the pool!
Will keep you all posted
please keep up the good work
thank you all
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I should add that when the WWF man sees the location he will most definately need smelling salts
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Good news for Wednesday!
Any chance of any media being there? What about getting fethiye haber ajance there - there seems to be an ally there who spoke out in the paper on 28th March.
Can anyone do anything to help on Wednesday Judith?
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OMG thats fantastic news get Ian from Fethiye Times and Sirdar from the Land of Lights we need mega coverage. Well done this is a brilliant result.
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I thought you may like to see the two boys that we are trying to save from the obscene cruelty of Hisaronu Dolphinarium Please do not think they are smiling, they are clearly bored to pieces at the moment, they have no mental stimulation, and are incacerated in their wire mesh cages.the only saving grace is that there are no tourists hanging onto their little fins for hours on end, swimming in impossibly amall circles. You can see where the skin on their noses bear healed marks made in the summer from when they try to escape by rubbing up against the wire.
AT LEAST THEY ARE IN SEA WATER...REMEMBER THE CHLORINE AND CHEMICAL COCTAILL IN THE HISARONU POOL WILL BADLY AFFECT THEIR EYES AND WILL DAMAGE THEIR SIGHT CAUSING BLINDNESS!!
THESE PICTURES WERE TAKEN YESTERDAY (http://img696.imageshack.us/img696/6584/p4050548.jpg)
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I have just received a reply from the Turkish Embassy in London with the following information: I don't know if it has already been posted but they are obviously aware of the problem!!
Would you please contact Ministry of Environment as this is the related body for the issues like your concerns mentioned in your e-mail.
T.C. Cevre ve Orman Bakanligi
Doga Koruma ve Milli Parklar Genel Müdürlügü
(Republic of Turkey
Ministry of Environment and Foresty
General Directorate of Nature Conservation and National Parks)
Address:
Sogutozu Caddesi No:14/E
06560 Bestepe-Ankara
Turkey
Fax: + 90 312 207 59 59
E-mail: cites@cevreorman.gov.tr
Lets keep copy and pasting!!
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Just sent this e-mail to Prince Charles, well done to you all for keeping this on the radar.
"I believe that Prince Charles was very interested in saving the Turtle Beach in Dalyan and took a keen interest in what was happening in terms of securing a safe habitat for nesting Turtles, his interest any contribution is now also urgently requested again. His Royal highness might be interested to learn about the new tourist attraction that is being built in Hisaronu in Turkey. It is the terrible construction of a 12 X 17 metres Dolphinarium that apparently is going to accommodate two dolphins, what more needs to be said! This is ghastly and we all doing what we can to raise awareness about this utter folly!
Could we please call on Prince Charles to do what he can to stop this going ahead?
Thank you in anticipation".
Kevin Hughes
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I've fixed one image link, the other two don't seem to be where it says they should be?
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Ok got 2 :)
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How can they put those 2 defenceless dolphins in that 'Pond'? Got this off FB.
Mugla agriculture dept. will be inspecting the proposed site this week although it is doubtful that they would make a decision on the risk to the health of the dolphins prior to the facility opening. In the meantime it is suggested we we fax our concerns to Osman Kurt 0252 214 12 42 who will be part of the inspection team.
We must all be doing something right!!!!
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If all else fails show pareents this video
http://www.facebook.com/video/video.php?v=110422085653986&ref=nf
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Thank you for all the contact details, I am following them all up.
Some one I know, and no too far from here, went to kas this week and took the above fotos. To give you all an idea of the professionalism of those caring for these two amazing animals, they were asked how they would be transported on the lengthy journey from Kas to Hisaronu.
The reply was that they would just rub them with grease and pack them with ice!
As for who the vet is that they use when needed..the young man replied,oh i do whatever it is they want
Did he have any qualifications, nope he just got lucky and got the job!
I could go on...but its too depressing to recount
I thank every one of you that sends a letter or makes even one telephone call....this must be stopped
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quote:
Originally posted by PKHUGHES100
Could we please call on Prince Charles to do what he can to stop this going ahead?
Thank you in anticipation".
Kevin Hughes
Sent email on Sunday Kevin. Even although it specified Organisations and not personal emails, I believe if he received enough he would take notice.
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Did you recognise the picture above as the Kas Dolphin Therapy comparing it with their wonderful web site. NO! I thought not
Some one not too far from here went to kas yesterday.
If you are in any doubt as the profesionalism of the outfit read on..
When asked how they would move the two dolphins on the lengthy road journey fro Kas to hisaronu.. easy just rub them with grease and pack them with ice!
Did the trainer have any qualifications.. no he just got lucky
What vet did they use for dolphins.. yes you guessed it.. the trainer acts as vet and gives them what the need
I could go on but its too depressing to recount
The wire netting is the ENTIRE enclosure, or cage, where they have spent years inside. in the summer it is divided into two, for more customers I would think
The enclosure looks bigger on the fotos than it is in real life!
Lets not forget that the Russian mans PR said after working hard in the summer they will go back to Kas for a holiday!
In my mind they will be moved back and forth from one hell to another.
There has to be something that we can do,
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Just need to keep doing what we are doing Judith!! As we all know this 'pond' has to be given the go ahead by top ministry officials, some of whom are vets, biologists, conservationists etc. In all honesty they would have to hang their heads in shame if they even considered the transporting of the dolphins or the opening of this 'Pond'.
By the way does anyone know if there are any special rules re the transportation of animals in Turkey, especially dolphins? Or can people just do as they wish?
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Hi all, on the face book link there is a 2nd video which shows an organisation called WSPA rescuing 2 dolphins in Nicaragua, lucky
for those dophins it was a happy ending. They can be contacted at cwspa@wspa.org.uk.
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WWF man came today,he was very concerned, took fotos, made copius notes and inspected construction, inspected the whole location of the site and its surrounding areas, talked to the Fet tele reporter, land of lights and Hurriyet reporters in depth.
He will be back at his desk tomorrow and I have no doubt that this project made an impression on him. He will carry out a WWF investigation relating to all matters from transference of animals to whether the pool meets standards and then WWF will produce a published report, The WWF is a world wide organisation,well experienced,and well respected around the globe. He will also make contact with the other major organisations eg WDPC to create a bigger impact.
However, we must bear in mind that this investigation WILL take time, and we do not have too much of it.
The contact details for the WWF is as follows aoruc@wwf.org.tr the ladies name is Ayse who speaks excellent english,
The whale and dolphin conservation society is cathy.williamson@wdcs.org
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Have already e mailed them twice but follow up with some more!!!
Come on everybody getcopying and pasting!!!
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Got the same response from ALO179 as everyone else. am going to email Ayse to see if she can/will contact this Osman Kurt with any concerns she might have.
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Anyone any further news on this??
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Have just received the following reply from laura.stansfield@wdcs.org
Please be assured that we are lobbying the relevant people to try to prevent this from happening. If you hear of anything new occurring please do inform us as soon as you can.
I will be in touch again soon once we hear of anything from our end.
Obviously people are working very hard behind the scenes to get this stopped so please carry on doing all you can!!
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This is the first I have heard of this-this is awful-so hope it doesnt go ahead. I think the people from Kas doing this are crazy.
I just cant believe this- and I also believe that the tour companies will not support this. I feel however a lot of turks will visit this (just because they dont undertsand how bad this is for dolphins), which is a worry.
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I think there are a fair few Turkish people who would say that they thought the same about the British!
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More Turkish people have signed the online petition than any other nationality.
There are quite a lot of things going on behind the scenes at the moment and sometimes it seems quite hopeful... we just need to keep up the pressure and anyone who wants to meet with Keramettin and raise their concerns about this, his door is always open...
The council is split on this but they genuinely believe that it will be popular with tourists, I hope they wrong but maybe it will be!
The most important thing to have happened recently is that the WWF will now carry out a comprehensive investigation and produce a full report although this will take some time.
Good news about the Mirror coverage.
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As you say Nichola there are obviously a lot of things going on behind the scenes!!
Everyone go to the Mayors office and clog the system up!! If you can't get to him get to anyone else!! Get to the girl/man on the information desk!!
We are obviously doing everything right so LETS KEEP GOING!!!
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Just a few more e mail addresses:
tursab@tursab.org.tr
CORPORATE AFFAIRS DEPARTMENT: foreignrelations@tursab.org.tr
FOREIGN RELATIONS DEPARTMENT: foreignaffairs@tursab.org.tr
Keep copying and pasting! We are doing something right!!
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In the Fethiye Times this morning, lets hope that all the holiday companies follow suit
http://www.fethiyetimes.com/news/44-news/6143-tour-operators-boycott-dolphin-swim-attraction.html
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Sunday Mirror article yesterday
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/top-stories/2010/04/11/hols-firms-in-dolphin-swim-ban-115875-22177213/
Mirror article Dolphins in Bodrum 2008
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/top-stories/2008/06/02/captive-dolphins-at-turkish-water-park-lead-a-miserable-existence-115875-20591791/
The other topics running on this
Dolphin swim banned by holiday company
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Dolphinarium reply from 179
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Ölüdeniz to get its first dolphinarium locked
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Its not my place to say so but it would be helpful if we could keep all new comments on this topic in this topic thread because there is lots of useful information and contact details that may get lost along the way...
I think anyone interested in this is subscribed to this topic and will see any new developments/replies and updates and it keeps this topic active :)
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Following article posted on ttglive website: -
http://www.ttglive.com
With comment from Laura Standsfield.
Keep the momentum going. TT 8)
Operators shun dolphinarium
Thursday, April 08, 2010
Gary Noakes
Turkey specialist Holidays4U and Thomas Cook are both refusing to sell excursions to a new dolphin attraction near Olu Deniz.
Holidays4U started the boycott of the attraction at Hisaronu, saying it "must take a stand" against alleged cruelty, and it has been backed by Thomas Cook.
Russian investors are building the pool, which is described as four metres deep with an area of 22m by 11m - slightly wider than a tennis court but not as long. The centre claims the pool is big enough for two dolphins to live in.
But Holidays4U managing director Karen Vyse said: "It is much too small and not at all suitable for purpose. They are building it up in the mountains and not even pumping in fresh sea water. I don't see the dolphins living very long."
Local media report that up to 10 customers an hour will spend up to six minutes with the mammals, including holding onto them while being propelled around he pool. This will happen five times a day.
More than 2,000 people have signed a local petition calling for the shelving of the project.
Vyse said there was "no scientific rationale" for the attraction. "Apart from making money, there's no justification for doing this," she said.
Thomas Cook said it had seen plans for the attraction and added: "We don't believe it meets our strict animal welfare standards."
The Whale and Dolphin Conservation Society is lobbying local authorities in Turkey and said dolphinaria conditions in the country were generally "very poor".
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Ok the really big news this weekend was that David Bellamy was in Dalyan to see the Turtle Beach he and Prince Charles saved and prevented loads of hotels being built.
Not to miss the oportunity our enterprising women on the ground went and met him and raised the Dolphin puddle issue with him.
The bad news is we all (including me) have to wait to hear what happened and what he said... ;)
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How long Nichola? Suspense kills!!
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J when you check in here this morning (I know you will) can you send me M's number. Spoke to JT yesterday and she says she is doing the follow up to D Bellamy meeting - would be good to know when and where to expect it.
I sent you another txt msg yesterday to T phone this time and it failed...
Talk soon
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Here is the only legal on-line petition again in case you missed it 2445 signaturies so far mostly Turkish - please spread the word via Facebook work and friends emails etc
Written in Turkish then below in English
http://yasamhakkinasaygi.com/dilekce/dilekce_detay.asp?id=329&DURUM=2
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Hi
That website is not takeing new names, is there another one.
Steve
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No I couldnt put my name either.
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Oh - Maybe thats it then; they feel they have enough signatures.
Not another legally written petition that I know of.
Still... plenty of people to email or fax if you fancy having a browse through the back posts on the topics for contact details.
If you are in Turkey spread the word around the bars, restaurants and small tour operators and urge them to boycott. Every little helps :)
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quote:
Originally posted by jackstee
Hi
That website is not takeing new names, is there another one.
Steve
Just a thought, but are you using a UK IP address? It may be restricted to Turkish IP addresses?
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No I put added my name a few weeks ago
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Not sure if this is old news, the News of the World did run an article on this on Sunday, the angle they used was the growing oppostion to it and the response of responsible Toursit Companies.
Well done to all involved, the word is spreading no matter what you think of the News of the World!!
Kevin
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all news coverage helps the cause
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quote:
Originally posted by PKHUGHES100
Not sure if this is old news, the News of the World did run an article on this on Sunday, the angle they used was the growing oppostion to it and the response of responsible Toursit Companies.
Well done to all involved, the word is spreading no matter what you think of the News of the World!!
Kevin
I've looked but can't find it Kevin, what page is it on in the News of the World?
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I also read the NOW didn't see it either
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OOps Sorry Guys, it was Sunday Mirror, much more sophisticated! (pg 27 on the 11/4/10)
It read as folows:-
HOLS FIRMS IN DOLPHIN SWIM" BAN
Travel firms are boycotting a new "swim with the dolphins" attraction at a popular Turkish resort.
Experts say a pool-due to open for the summer in Oludeniz near Dalaman-is far too cramped.
And more than 2,000 people have signed an online petition against it.
Now Thomas Cook and Holiday4U are refusing to sell package holidays deals including trips to the dolphins.
Holidays4U boss Karen Vyse said "Its much too small". Thomas Cook added " It is below standards."
The Russian backed firm behind the venture insist conditions will be humane. But the UK based Whale and Dolphin Conservation Society said
keeping large animals in small tanks is no longer acceptable.
This might not be as forceful as we all would like but from little accorns and all that.
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Pictures of Dolphin prison taken yesterday:-\
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If you look at the electricity pole just beyond the far side of the pit it will give you some idea of the miniscule size the pool actually is
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No work was being done but there were a couple of guys stood under a tree looking at it.
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Spoke to a Turkish guy yesterday who runs a business less than 200 meters as the crow flies from the site.... who did not even know it was there!!!!
He also told me that the new precinct where the Fairground is is nothing to to do with Nicholas Homes any more....it has been sold on to a consortium.
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Thanks for those disgusting pictures Tribalelder. Just puts everything into total perspective. It cannot be allowed to open!!
A question was asked on FB on wether or not work had stopped?? Reply was the same as yours Guy stood under a tree!!
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This weeks Land Of Lights page 11 carries a good write up titled 'The Dolphin Park Planned at Olu Caused an Uproar Among Environmentalists'...
mentions
-the WWF coming and their pending report...
- letter to Minister of Environment and Olu Mayor by environmentalists calling for project to be cancelled and outlines reasons why
-Keramettin Yilmaz now evaluating protests after initially believing this would be good for tourism.
It goes onto say that they (the council) have asked for and will be guided by the opinions from experts and that building work has been slowed down...
All in all a well written and comprehensible article
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Great news Nichola!! As long as the council do not go back on the decision to be guided by the opinions of the experts!! If Land of Lights have got it right and I'm sure they have, maybe, just maybe, we will achieve what we set out to do - STOP THESE POOR DOLPHINS FROM DYING A SLOW DEATH IN THIS 'POND'!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Fingers crossed!!
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actions speak louder than words... not sure its actually a decision really but maybe it is paving the way towards a 'flip flop' ;)
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The signs look very promising I feel.
Kevin
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As you have all gathered I am totally opposed to even the concept of this! I won't bore you with the details as it has already been posted by various people.
I do actually think we are getting somewhere!!
A post by Tribalelder earlier today does say businesses 200m away do not even know what is going on! We need to spread the word in the local area.
We have all the Conservation Societies on our side who are making a lot of waves in the right places!!
The latest news is from Hisarder:
Feedback from Hisarder meeting with belediye: KY furiously tried to distance himself (belediye) from connection with dolphinarium claiming they only rented a patch of land and have no power to grant licences (same old). Clearly he is afraid of the s..t sticking......Hisarder are against the dolphinarium but feel the...y have to wait for further developments before taking their protest to a higher level
Come on everybody don't let all our efforts be in vain!!
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Those photos are awful-the pool is so small. This so must stop. I know what you mean about buisnesses not knowing-everything I have talked to havent got a clue! If you ask me they are trying to keep it hushed up-and when something is hushed up they know they are doing something wrong. urrrrhhhhh!
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work was still going on at the pool, saturday, 8 to 10 men working...the battle to stop the dolphinareum is far from over :(
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The mayor has always said this project will be finished - if the local Beldiye have leased the land to the Russians they can do what they like with it until they come to apply for licences! That is a whole different ball game!! The Land of Lights newspaper said that the council have asked for and will be guided by the opinions from experts. They have also stated the decision to grant a licence is not up to them. If the powers that be listen to the experts, take into account the damage that will be done to the environment, Hisarder being against it, taking into account that within the area their are 2 conservation sites being Dalyan and Olu Deniz, big holiday companies not promoting it as one of their tours etc. etc.
This is only the beginning - we all need to keep on sending those e mails continually even 4 or 5 times, it doesn't matter. Everything helps in this fight!!
Just keep thinking of the dolphins we will save from A LIVING DEATH!!
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I may not be visible at the moment, but I am writing furiously again to everyone who might possibly be able to influence the decision to go ahead with this project.
I fear that too much money has been put in, for the "investors" to just walk away!
Remember, the swim space has been reduced further and is a mere 12 metres X 17 metres for two dolphins. Which certainly does not meet the European criteria for keeping bottlenosed dolphins.
The officials know this.
I know that they have been given copies of the standards.
The standards are not only for the welfare of the dolphins.
The standards are also for the benefit of those that enter the pool with the dolphins.
For example,some standards are concerned with water quality; people entering warm water filled with faeces, urine and dead fish material, could become sick if the treatment of the water is not satisfactory. But adding high levels of chemicals to purify the water will not only make the dolphins suffer, but will also affect those in the water.The standards insist on regular testing, by qualified personnel.Where will the samples be sent for analysis in Hisaronu, and by whom.
The standards insist on minimum sizes for swimming areas, and other standards refer to insulation which will reduce outside noise and disturbance,temperature control,resting areas,qualified only personnel to have contact etc,etc. These standards are, to ensure that the stresses which can cause wild animals to become unpredictable,can be reduced.
What I am saying in essence, is that the standards are there for very good reasons, not only for the benefit of the dolphins but also for persons entering the pool.
If those in authority ignore any of the minimum standards, then they risk encountering serious problems with this project.
The Mayor KY has a copy of the standards.
It may be a case of putting money not only before animal welfare, but before public safety.
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Public safety is paramount!! It is mostly children that love the idea of 'Swimming with dolphins'! How would parents feel if they knew the facts after their child got sick or had a chemical reaction or was even attacked by one of the dolphins? - I would not let any person, let alone a child enter that 'Pond'.
People must be advised of these lack of standards before they buy a ticket! (Hope it never happens) As far as I can see the advice now must come from hotels/rentals/bars/retaurants etc etc. when asked to they must point out the dangers. But as an earlier post said a bar 200m away didn't even know it was there????
Anything else we can do Judith? Anymore people we can contact?
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Would agree with Judith and Cheers. The environment, size of pool, conditions etc will undoubtably stress the Dolphins and, IMO, make it rather dangerous to 'swim' with them (one of the reasons their teeth are filed?) I'm not saying they would bite but being butted by one of them could/would cause damage especially to a child. Even the most placid of animals can snap if upset.
Perhaps this would be the way to go now?
The pool is going to be finished no matter what so perhaps we could concentrate on it being left empty? Concentrating on those who will issue the licences etc?
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Just got this off FB:
Just been 'voyeuring' on the Caliş forum (am not a member) - comments re: public safety. Just thought I'd chip in that a couple of weeks ago I watched a doc. on nat. geo. wild about captive dolphins (male & female) attacking people who were swimming with them. One of the main reasons for the attacks was because the p...oor frustrated creatures were making sexual overtures towards their 'guests' but didn't get the desired response.....Wonder how many dads would be happy to let their daughters (or sons) in the water if they were aware of that!!!!!!
Another reason for the 'Pond' not to open!!
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Recieved a reply from Born Free Zoo Check team
(Edited to relevant bits)
Dear Heather,
Thank you very much for taking the time to contact the Born Free Foundation with your concerns regarding the new dolphinarium being built in Hisaronu, Turkey. Please accept my apologies for the delay in replying to you.
Travellers' reports enable us to prioritise our actions.
On issues regarding whales and dolphins, Born Free works closely with the Whale and Dolphin Conservation Society (WDCS). Together we are working to try and address the issues affecting dolphins in captivity and urge for these facilities to be phased out, so news of this new dolphinarium being built in Hisaronu was very sad indeed. It's heartening to know that many residents and regular holiday makers to the area feel so strongly about this issue. Sadly, dolphinariums which offer ‘swim with' activities are big business and bring in a lot of revenue, so they can be very hard to tackle. We have written to express our concerns to the Governor of Mugla and the Ministry of Agriculture and Environment etc, as have other organisations, including WDCS. Born Free is also in discussion with our contacts in the travel industry as some of them have also expressed their concerns re this new facility.
Once again many thanks for contacting us and for the information you have provided. It will take all our combined efforts to bring about the changes we seek. Together we can make the world a better place for wild animals!
Sarah Jefferson
Zoo Check Assistant
Born Free Foundation
Tel: +44 (0)1403 240170
Fax: +44 (0)1403 327838
Email: sarahj@bornfree.org.uk
Web: www.bornfree.org.uk
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Have just received a request to sign a petition to prevent whaling becoming legal by the Avaaz organisation so have e mailed them to ask for their support for this campaign. Hope this is useful.
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Following on from my last post I can't help but feel that we now need to 'target' those who will have influence over the opening of this pool. Time is running out at it seems to me we've lost steam. Problem is that I've lost the plot as to who is whom?
Who will issue these certificates, who has/can influence these people? Is it the Governor, the WWF etc. etc
It must be very close to them opening and putting the Dolphins in. Can anyone supply a list of who is influential, who we need to contact etc.?
Then, if we start contacting them en masse (bombarding is the word I think!) then perhaps, we can stop it.
Cheers and Nichola, you seem to be on the ball, can you help direct us?
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Sorry for posting back to back but IMO one of the main issues that needs to be emphasised is safety. They are big, strong animals that could, if unhappy or provoked, kill. I'm not saying they would!
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Its a big task Peecee but will make a start on info which is on TripAdvisor first. If anyone else can help please do!:D
Don't know how many are still valid tho'
the e mail address for Olu Deniz Beldiye Başkan,Kerramettin Yilmaz,is
baskan@oludeniz.bel.tr
Fax-0090 616 6387
Olu Deniz and Hisarönü come under the province of Mugla so here is the e mail address and details for the Mugla Vali(Province Governor) who is called Dr.Ahmet Altiparmak
mugla@icisleri.gov.tr
Fax-0090 252 214 3188
These are all the members of parliament for the area
ali.arslan@tbmm.gov.tr
gurolergin@tbmm.gov.tr
yuksel.ozden@tbmm.gov..tr
fevzi.topuz@bmm.gov.tr
Hurriyet Daily News,editor in chief,David Judson
david.judson@hurriyet.com.tr
Todayszaman,Chief exectutive Officer,Ekrem Dumanli
e.dumanlitodayszaman.com
turkeytourism@redmintcomms.co.uk
rebecca@redmintcomms.co.uk
Dr. Ahmet Altiparmak mugla@icisleri.gov.tr
WDCS, Whale and Dolphin Conservation Society
cathy.williamson@wdcs.org
FETAV website http://fetav.com/en
Thomas Cook-thomascook.com or 0871 895 0038
First Choice-pressoffice@firstchoice.co.uk
Thomsons-24-7@thomson.co.uk or 0844 871 0878
monarch(Cosmos)-monarch.co.uk
the address for the Mugla Province Agriculture and Rural Affairs.
The top man is Ahmet Dalli
Fax- 0090 252 214 1242
e mail info@mugla-tarim.gov.tr
mehdieker@tarim.gov.tr
cites@cevreorman.gov.tr
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Peecee - been meaning to go through all the different topics on this and pull together a current list but have been a bit distracted recently.
Next week I will sit down with Judith and go through all her contacts (she has some that haven't been listed) and any from these topics and put a current list together and maybe recommended action.
I am hoping as well to find out what happened with the David Bellamy meeting as have been left out of the loop on this while she has been in the UK. I do know this was discussed with him but what he said and if he was interested in getting involved I do not know...
We may also write something for Fethiye Times. I talked to them and they will print if we write it.
The work does go on but I do agree we need to re focus and not forget our aim to stop this...
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Don't know if I posted this reply on here - as Peecee has said there is no single place anyone can go to get the relevant information.
Got the following reply from the Turkish Embassy in London:
Would you please contact Ministry of Environment as this is the related body for the issues like your concerns mentioned in your e-mail. T.C. Cevre ve Orman BakanligiDoga Koruma ve Milli Parklar Genel Müdür...lügü (Republic of Turkey Ministry of Environment and ForestyGeneral Directorate of Nature Conservation and National Parks) Address: Sogutozu Caddesi No:14/E06560 Bestepe-AnkaraTurkey Fax: + 90 312 207 59 59 E-mail: cites@cevreorman.gov.tr Sincerely yours, Mert SunarFirst Economic Counsellor Turkish EmbassyOffice of the Economic Counsellor43 Belgrave SquareLondon SW1X 8PASee More
One more to e mail if I missed it :)
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Initial feedback from David Bellamy meeting now received.
He is on board and says we WILL WIN.
He suggested many things to do mostly what has been done by all of us already and of course to keep on doing what we are doing. He is going to come back to us with any other ideas or people to contact.
Our local Marine Biologist has met with the directors of SAD (underwater research soc)((NGO)) The president of SAD will go with the details sent to him next week to the head of agriculture in Ankara proposing why this location is no good for Dolphins.
She is also now currently writing the plan for a project that SAD is working on to set a standard in Turkey for the captivity of Dolphins and the many conditions and regulations that they will have to adhere too.........this is a massive project and will take time but its best in the long term for these and all of Turkeys dolphins.
Ideally we don't want dolphins in captivity, and SAD a number of months ago handed in a dilikce requesting the closure of all dolphinariums in Turkey........this is were this project and plan comes in as they don't think they will be successful in their application, so we're going for the next best thing.
Some of the other things up and coming include a meeting with the russian owner of our 2 dolphins....still waiting to hear a date and time for that one.
There are other things going on too and I will meet her soon to see what else can be reported.
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Excellent news Nichola!!:D:D
Keep e mailing people!!! 8) 8)
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Superb effort by a number of people, I have sent e-mails to more places than I can remember as have most people and they are clearly getting the message.
Well done again.
Kevin
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Yes, great news Nichola.
Just off topic a bit but have people heard/read that a Seal was killed in the Bodrum area a couple of days ago? Protected species, only around 560 left (Mediterranean seal). Some p***t severely beat it and shot it twice. Hurriyet Daily News. So sad, so pointless, so sickening.
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I signed a petition to stop the building of this 'Pond' on a petition site for voice 4 captive dolphins.
I have received a reply from Carina Vonk to say the petition has raised the signatures needed and been sent to the owners of the dolpohinarium at Kas
www.voice4captivedolphins.me
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work is still going on at the site....concreate is in and the surrounding areas are now being block paved...no let up in the building of the dolphinareum as such.
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This has not been confirmed but it is possible that the pond for Dolpins is no more!
This is the rumour which we will do our best to confirm today and post here asap.
Only thought its fair to share the feeling of excitment as well as potential disappointment if this is not true.
I will be in touch with news as we get it... :D
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If it is (Insallah) How long before some enterprising Mayor says "here is a nice swimming pool let's built a hotel round it":(
Or is that too cynical[?]
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I hear its going to be a swimming pool and it is in a park so that would make sense. If it had been bigger they could have made it an aqua park.
But anyway... still need to have this all confirmed - be in touch :)
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Oh what wonderful news that would be! Fingers crossed, and thanks Nichola!
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Brilliant!! Best news for a while!!
People are heard when the need arises!!
Roll on later for confirmation!!
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Originally posted by tribalelder
If it is (Insallah) How long before some enterprising Mayor says "here is a nice swimming pool let's built a hotel round it":(
Or is that too cynical[?]
Still better than a salt bath to kill Dolphins in.
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they are still working on it today,tuesday 27th, work is still going on constructing the surround. cement walls are now in place, paviours are being layed....no let up on the construction on the site.!!!!
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Sorry to take so long to get back on this.
We spent the day working back to the source of the rumour that it was cancelled.
This resulted in a very senior person in Fethiye making a call to the Mayor and the long and the short of it is that it is not cancelled but there are some rather large question marks whether it will go ahead because it is unlikely to meet the very high standards required.
However there are a number of other outcomes as a result of our investigations and some of it is a bit complicated to explain but I will do my best...
1. We have secured a meeting with the Kayamalik (I know this isn't spelt correctly) but he is basically the boss of the Mayors. This is a meeting 'they' said we would never get.
2. We have discovered that all the local tour operators were approached last year to be part of this - all but one refused. The interesting thing is that no one (local tour operators) has been approached to sell this tour and bear in mind that we are one week from the beginning of the season. Everyone is planning their tours and doing their publicity now.
This suggests that tickets for this activity will only be available from one sole tour operator - a local one! This will at least make it easy to boycott in the event that it happens!
It will also soon become apparent who this is when the season starts although the work is not finished so as yet nothing to sell so it may be a while before it is known for sure! I have been on the relevant tour operators web site but nothing about Dolphins!
3.The reason the tour operators were approached is because anything to do with tourists has to go through a licensed travel agency. The owners of the Dolphins need a travel agency on board to proceed.
This has thrown up a couple of other local organisations that could influence the decision making process and these will be visited tomorrow and the findings from these will be shared. This may include us being able to confirm and then name the travel agency/tour operator but I can't guarantee that.
One thing is clear and that is that the govt. bureaucracy is a minefield and the number of organisations potentially involved in having a say just gets bigger and bigger.
However we are not defeated just there is more to do. If after tomorrow or during the week we think there are other agencies that can be emailed where it may make a difference I will share the contact details here. I will report back as and when there is something to say.
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Still brilliant news Nichola!!
One question that still keeps coming back to me is if all the local tour operators were contacted last year to sell the tickets why did it take until March to get this ball rolling?
Do you have the e mail address for the 'Head' of the Mayors so we can e mail him? Obviously there has been enough done by everybody to even get a meeting with him!!
Look forward to hearing any updates from everybody!!
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QUOTE "This suggests that tickets for this activity will only be available from one sole tour operator - a local one! This will at least make it easy to boycott in the event that it happens"
WHO WHO WHO is it and let's stuff it right up him!!!!
Boycott the b*****d and let him know why.
By the way, liver was absolutely fantastic on Friday, Nichola.
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Lin, I don't know the answer to question 1.
Re the e address I don't know that either but lets wait to see what's said first... than we can pick up on any key issues that come out of that meeting.
I should add that we are repositioning our approach to focus on relevant health and safety issues...
More to come on that when we work up the key points...
Re the sole operator if this turns out to be the case I am sure this will become known soon enough and if we can find this information through an official source then we will definitely name and shame.
Glad you enjoyed the liver :P
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Just a thought and, sorry, rather a negative one. If there is only one tour operator on board would they (the operator) approach hotels/restaurants/bars etc in Hisaronou/Olu Deniz and ask them to 'promote' it? Leaflets on tables, this sort of thing?
Also, could tickets be bought at the gate on the day?
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If they started promoting this around the area, due to the publicity this 'Pond' has got I don't think they would find many hotels/restaurants would agree to do it for them as their businesses could also be affected!!
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Nichola I have e mailed you!!
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NOT A MOMENT TO LOSE - NOW IS THE TiME TO ACT
1 The inspection of the intended Dolphinarium has take place and it was not approved because the work has not been completed. They will return and as building work needs to be stopped(?) by the 1st of May we have a very small window of opportunity to stop this in its tracks right now.
The person to contact is
Minister of Agriculture Water and Animal Affairs
Osman Kurt
FAX No 0252 214 1242 outside Turkey 0090 252 214 1242
(we don't have email and he is Mr elusive himself...)
This is a suggestion of what you may wish to say...
Dear Osman Kurt
Public Health and Safety: Hisaronu Dolphinarium
I am concerned that there will be very serious health and safety implications for humans and Dolphins at the proposed Dolphinariam in Hisaronu.
There is scientific research that proves many diseases can be transmitted to humans from Dolphins and also from Dolphins to humans.
This is important because I am not convinced that the systems for cleansing the water which will be contaminated by for example dead fish food for the Dolphins and the Dolphins faeces will be adequate in an open air concrete pool.
I am also concerned that the processes for testing the safety of water will be inadequate thereby putting at risk both Dolphins and humans using the pool.
Humans and Dolphins can pass diseases to each other that can then be passed onto other humans. In the time that it takes to take water samples and process the results if 60 people a day use the pool that is 120 people that can be infected over a 48 hour period.
These are just some of the diseases that can be passed between humans and Dolphins:
Herpes Virus
The Pox Virus
Tuberculosis
Influenza
Tuberculosis and other bacterial diseases such as Weils Disease a severe form of Leptospirosis characterised by jaundice, circulatory collapse and tendency to haemorrhage.
Pneumonia
Dolphins also carry microbes/pathogens associated with food poisoning such as
Salmonella
E.coli
Listeria
Research in America found that exposure to marine mammals can involve a health risk to people working with the animals and it can also threaten the health of the public. Diseases contracted from marine mammals are difficult to treat and diagnose, as they may be overlooked or even ignored by physicians who are not aware of the risks or range of potential infectious diseases.
I urge you to please stop the opening of the Dolpinarium in Hisaronu as I am concerned that public health will be put at risk.
Yours sincerely
Sources
1.www.wdcs.com Marine Manual Captivity Booklet
2.www.merckvetmanual.com List of Bacterial & Viral Diseases of Marine Animals
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Come on everybody - its URGENT now!!!!
Get those faxes sent. I have asked for an e mail address from various people so hopefully we will get that soon and we can e mail Osman Kurt directly!!
I have opened a new thread asking if anyone can tell me how to post an e mail to a fax number, I know it can be done but don't know how!!
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I have asked Joanne Davis to send above to all 4054 members of the Free Oludeniz Dolphins Group.
I know it is easier to email but we don't have that info. Imagine if just a few hundred never mind a couple of thousand people sending a fax their machine will be whirring away for ever and a day driving them all mad. ;)
Our marine Bioligist and Judith are working on a list of all the many many systems that need to be in place to ensure absolute water purity which will also be sent to Mr Osman Kurt.
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Don't know if this helps, have googled Ministry of Agriculture, the contact in ankara is G. Erten, tel 90312-4180341, fax 90312-4170026. Could someone (who speaks Turkish) contact them and ask for Osman Kurt email address? (in a devious sort of way?) Alternatively, can we find out when the inspection date is and have a turnout of people at the time asking him to consider the implications health-wise (or is that illegal?)
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Hi, thanks to Nicola for kindly writing the list of known diseases that are transmittable for dolphins to humans and humans to dolphins. Some of these are very serious and the idea put forward for the Therapy Pool is that unwell children will be able to benefit from the experience! Any one with low immune system will certainly be at great risk if any of the standards are not adhered to!!
My thoughts now are that because we have targeted and quite successfully obtained the support of animal welfare organisations, we must NOW concentrate on the health and safety issues.
I am convinced that this area has not been thought through by the proposers, because, as we know the pool, even by size alone, does not conform.
Meeting with the Kaymakam, the mayor of Fethiye, today has thrown upsome interesting points, and we did raise the issues with him of water quality, ie qualified testing for pathogenic bacteria.I have found that eyebrows are raised when either, the dolphins going blind with the chlorine,is mentioned, or tourists are at risk from serious health and safety issues!
Generally,animal welfare does not meet with the same concern. An inspection DID take place by Mr Osman Kurt but the pool is to be finished before a final inspection can occur. That gives us a little more time to hit hard with the health and safety aspects.
I implore everyone to contact particularly Mr Kurt with the list of possible bacteria and viruses, which incidently is far greater than even in Nicolas post,and to ask how this water is to be tested, purified, and kept at temperatures as stated in the standards, and who will be responsible for this operation and where are these samples to be sent.Is there any one of competence to assess the results!. Please also point out that the dolphins are not in free flowing sea water, but in a very confined space in direct sunlight. This means that the purity of the water is critical for human and dolphin safety.
Of course the issue of health and safety must be made clear to every buisiness and tourist venue in the area. Is it possible for everyone to mention this to their hairdressers, restaurants, travel agents etc. Perhaps we should now be sending emails to all buisinesses for them to check out the calis beach forum!
So lots to do,thank you all a million times for every letter you write and telephone call you make.
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Seems that this number is either discontected because it was working or maybe switched off at night so we are going to check for a new number and or email address tomorrow.
Please prepare your letter and wait for new contact details... thanks everybody :)
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My letter is ready to be dispatched, can I use original fax details or have you a new one.
Kevin
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Hi Kevin pls wait until tomo as this fax number isn't working. We'll test it out day time - we'll sort something out. :)
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Apparently they have PAINTED the pond a lovely shade of blue!!
How long will it take with all the different chemicals in the water for the paint to peel?
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Nichola, do we use this fax number?
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Not at the minute peecee! Seems its out of order - awaiting more info!
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Can I ask everyone to hold fire on this for a few days.
A lot of information has come to light in the past few days and there are a number of things being worked on and some actions that need to be taken here on the ground.
However I am sure you are all aware the enemy is watching.
It doesn't make sense to inform them at this crucial stage of our next moves. We will be working hard over the next few days to pull a number of things together and then we will share what needs to be done.
For now this movement is going underground... ;)
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Nik - if you need undercover agents in the UK ...just shout if there is anything we can do (Mr Pookie is dusting off his old mac as we speak....) xx
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Does anyone know what has happened to the Free the Oludeniz Dolphins FB Group[?]
I tried to access several times earlier the link showing nearly 4000 members and couldn't and now I still can't access and the link on my FB page shows it as having no members...!!!
Has the plug been pulled[?]
Can someone find out from the creator what has happened[?]
Might need Mr Pookie and his Mac over here ;)
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Ok - its back - my mind was working overtime then!!!
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Facebook page for 'Free the Dolphins at Hisaronou' is still Ok - also there is a thread on Trip advisor as well but both are a very quiet!!
Don't think people know what they can do next!!
We are all anxious to get it stopped but if contact numbers, fax numbers, e mail addresses are being closed down as soon as they are posted obviously someone is watching and reporting.
No wonder it is going undercover Nicola!!
I just keep sending repeat e mails!
Don't know what else to do at the moment!
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I know people have had trouble with this web site before but it is still open. If you haven't already or know others that will please add your name and encourage others to do the same.
This information is now being used as part of the case so it is all still very relevant.
Online petition 2868 signatures so far
http://yasamhakkinasaygi.com/dilekce/dilekce_detay.asp?id=329&DURUM=2
Its all very undercover now Lin dark glasses 8) and headscarves oh and old Macs :D
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Hope nobody is FLASHING Nichola - only the journalists, protest groups whatever!!
Let us know where to send the pics!!
Can everyone get every member of their family, relatives, friends or anyone you know to sign this! As long as they add their name (They can even use your e mail address to add their name)
Obviously this is needed - It is the Turkish petition site so it will show that it is the Turkish people as well that are opposed to this!
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As stated in previous post, now we are concentrating on making the authorities aware of the health and safey aspects of keeping two large dolphins in a very small enclosed pool.
We are not sure if this subject has been considered.
We have been unable to see any of the bulding plans, therefore we do not know how the water purity is going to be maintained.How is it going to be purified, filtered, supplied, disposed of, and chlorinated, also will there be professionals who will be sampling and testing, where are the tests samples going to be sent,and are the dolphns free of any infectious pathogens,
The following lists make interesting reading, they contain possible risks that could be passed from dolphins to humans and from humans to dolphins and more besides.
also the final document to click onto, demonstrates that dolphins are not friendly flipper animals, but can be potentially dangerous.
The two dolphins will certainly be under great stress from their new cramped, noisy, hot, enviromentfilled with tourists.
Who after reading this report, will not have second thoughts.
Any one for a dip!!!
Viral diseases"Research in America found that exposure to marine mammals can involve a health risk to people working with the animals and it can also threaten the health of the public. Diseases contracted from marine mammals are difficult to treat and diagnose, as they may be overlooked or even ignored by physicians who are not aware of the risks or range of potential infectious diseases".
Caliciviruses have been isolated from bottlenose dolphins. The marine caliciviruses appear to be serotypes of vesicular exanthema of swine virus (VESV, Vesicular Exanthema of Swine
Herpes Virus -
Herpesvirus-like lesions occur in a wide variety of cetaceans.
Distemper virus
A delphinoid distemper virus (cetacean morbillivirus [CMV]), closely related to rinderpest ( Rinderpest: Introduction) and peste des petits ruminants ( Peste Des Petits Ruminants: Introduction), has been implicated in the deaths of harbor porpoises and common dolphins off the coast of the UK, striped dolphins in the Mediterranean, and bottlenose dolphins in the western Atlantic and Gulf of Mexico.
The Pox Virus
Morbillivirus:A delphinoid distemper virus (cetacean morbillivirus [CMV]), closely related to rinderpest (Rinderpest: Introduction) and peste des petits ruminants ( Peste Des Petits Ruminants: Introduction), has been implicated in the deaths common dolphins off the coast of the UK, striped dolphins in the Mediterranean, and bottlenose dolphins in the western Atlantic and Gulf of Mexico.
Influenza - Infection is probably common.
Even well-fed captive animals become weak, incoordinated, and dyspneic. Swollen necks due to fascial trapping of air escaping through the thoracic inlet is reported. Occasionally, white or bloody nasal discharge will be evident.
Tuberculosis Weils Disease & LeptospirosisTuberculosis and other bacterial diseases such as Weils Disease a severe form of Leptospirosis characterised by jaundice, circulatory collapse and tendency to haemorrhage.
Pneumonia - The chief cause of death in captive marine mammals is believed to be pneumonia. Clinical signs include lethargy, anorexia, severe halitosis, dyspnea, pyrexia, and marked leukocytosis. The disease can progress rapidly.
Miscellaneous Bacterial Diseases: Marine mammals are probably susceptible to the entire range of pathogenic bacteria.
Salmonella
E.coli
Listeria
Pasteurella multocida has caused several outbreaks of hemorrhagic enteritis with depression and abdominal distress leading to acute death in dolphins..
In dolphins, Mannheimia (Pasteurella) haemolytica has been incriminated in hemorrhagic tracheitis. Burkholderia (Pseudomonas) pseudomallei has caused serious fatal outbreaks of disease in various marine mammals in captivity in the Far East.
Staphylococcal septicemia has caused the death of a dolphin with osteomyelitis of the spine (pyogenic spondylitis). Another case of intradiskal osteomyelitis, due to Staphylococcus aureus
Sources: The above information was taken from the Merck Veterinary Manual
Viral diseases
http://www.merckvetmanual.com/mvm/index.jsp?cfile=htm/bc/170811.htm
Bacterial diseases
http://www.merckvetmanual.com/mvm/index.jsp?cfile=htm/bc/170808.htm
There is more information on the impact on human health in Chapter 5 page 29 of the Attached Booklet
http://www.hsus.org/web-files/PDF/MarMamCptvtyBklt.pdf
Male Dophin kills man
http://www.science-frontiers.com/sf101/sf101b07.htm
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Excellent info Judith unfortunately we are preaching to the converted.
I wonder if insurance companies know of these risks.
I have just emailed this information to Mondial, who are the insurance company First choice recommend.
I asked them in the light of the your information would they cover me to swim with dolphins. Would be good if they stated that they would not cover.
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I do think the officials considering approving this enterprise should be shown the above information.
So Please feel free to edit, copy and paste to as many as you can.
I have already thought of the insurance angle,have been trying to identify the insurers of the pool also.Although a difficult task!
Perhaps insurers should know that this pool, on size alone does not conform to European standards.
The reason that the pool size is crucial for our argument, together with the following section on noise, is that this will undoubtably lead to the animals being stressed. Getting into a very small pool with stressed wild animals of size,poses serious safety risks!
Any one out there with suggestions regarding insurers or who have contacts please let us know.
One other point you may like to make,which has so far been ignored by the proposers, is that the E.E.A.M. standards clearly state..
quote ..NOISE..Cetaceans shall be protected from harrassment by excessive noise from irregular impulses. The noise level shall be kept as low as possible for the frequency range between 0 and 60 khz. Sounds of mechanical origin are probably the most stressful for the animals because of their repetitive nature. Any doubts as to the effects of any sound should be referred to an expert with experience of underwater ecoustic measurments, not airbourne acoustics, in conjuction with a vetinary surgeon with experience and or training in this field.. unquote
This pretty well rules out Hisaronu then, as the place to keep dolphins!
Please feel free to qoute this section of the E.E.A.M. standards in any letter you write.
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Don't even know what to say on Judith's post!!
I did post a list of some people to contact on 22nd April.
Can we please ask anyone who reads this to ask anyone they know to forward Judiths post to the relevant people!!
Come on everybody all you need to do is make a draft e mail or copy and paste!!
Anyone who has any contacts who can help please contact them!!
We must save these 2 poor dolphins from dying a living death!!
CBF is known as a caring forum - please don't let us down!!
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A BIG ANNOUNCEMENT IS IMMINENT!
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If I had a pound for every time we have heard this cruel enterprise is to be stopped I would be rich!
We must assume that this will go ahead,rumours are spread to lull us into a false scense of security, so please write, email,telephone as much as possible. It has only been because of the barrage of calls and letters that those in power have taken some notice.
Please dont stop, we are not out of the woods yet!!
As usual, I have to thank every one of you who has added your voice thus far, please dont stop now at this crucial moment.I am seeing the pool later today, will keep you posted
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WATER IS BEING PUMPED IN AS WE SPEAK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Well last night we had planned to go to the pond - we'd been planning to go every day last week but things just kept getting in the way.
So anyway as fate would have it who was there - The Russian Owner of the Dolphins. And what else was going on the pool was being filled with water. We have photoagraphed it all and will add these later tonight for you to see.
We were approached by the Russian and a girl (who translated) and asked why we were taking photos of them, so not ones to miss this golden oopportunity we ended up having a very lengthy question and answer session.
Here is a record of the key points - sorry its so long
Dolphins
1. The first 2 Dolphins he owned in Kas died from pneumonia.
2. The current 2 Dolphins were taken from the wild when Turkey allowed itself to break the Cities agreement and 30 Dolphins were captured in the Mediterranean 5 years ago.
3. He said Dolphins don't hear - which is nonsense because sound/hearing is their primary sense
4. He said he loves Dolphins but didn't answer when asked why they weren't moved from Kas when the area was being dynamited which causes them a great deal of stress.
5. Initially he said they were for therapy but later when questioned about why bring them to a concrete pool in Hisaronu,he said because of the economic crisis they were not making enough money in Kas to take care of the Dolphins.
He added that many tourists come each year from this area to Kaş to swim with the Dolphins and it is difficult to get permission to rent or buy area in the sea.
6. He said he didn't know what that Dolphins do to heal the sick but they do
7. When questioned about transmittable diseases that can be passed to or from Dolphins to humans he said that sick people weren't allowed to swim with Dolphins and demonstrated by coughing to show these people would not be allowed to swim.
8. The Dolphins will be separated in the pool during the day but together at night, obviously two dolphins swimming in tight circles means two lots of customers! Also if the dolphins were together they might not concentrate on the customers!
9. He claimed that Dolphins live longer in captivity (despite all research and evidence to the contrary) as there is more control over conditions and pollutants.
10. He didn't explain when asked why the Dolphins were covered in marks consistent with teeth bites.
Note - previous applications to Fethiye have twice been rejected.
Pool area and pool water
1. He says the pool area is 1000m³ but includes the 2 shelf areas at either end. In actual fact it falls far short on the European Standards which are a minimum requirement. Actual figures on the shortfall will come in separate post.
2.Sea water is being brought and pumped into the pool
A muslin cloth s attached to the end of the pipe to filter the water as it's pumped into the pool.
3. Water samples will be taken from the pool but he was vague and didn't appear to know about where the samples would be tested.
4. He said shade for the pool will be put up but we could see no provision for this. Shade is required by the standards
5. No evidence of separate buildings for preparation of food etc as required by the standards.
6. A waterproof sealant has been painted on the concrete walls of the pool. He could not say if this had been proven to be free from toxins and safe for Dolphins.
7. Water is filtered every six hours and can be increased if necessary. The standards say it should not exceed four hours, Also, how will it be judged sufficient if there is not adequate and professional testing?
8. There was no evidence of a generator in the event of power cuts.
9. Pool will have a system to control the temperature.
10 the standards clearly state that there should be protection from interference by the public. We could only see short wooden picket fencing presumably for the perimeter fence
11 The pool should be protected from flies and contaminants, four dolphins recently died in Alanya by ingesting leaves from neighbouring trees. It was obvious he had not considered this issue in realtion to the pool in Hisaronu,
Qualified personnel
1. There is no Vet for the Dolphins on site this is in complete disregard to the standards specification - the trainer is Mexican with no professional qualifications, and veterinary advice comes from an unidentified source via e-mail from Mexico.
2. Blood samples will be taken monthly from Dolphins and sent to Mexico for analysis only qualified proffesionals should be doing this, his trainer is not qualified .
3. None of the staff have official qualifications i.e. Marine Biologist or Vetinary qualifications.
4. There isn't a separate treatment pool although they plan to build one we saw no provision for this on site.
5. No Vet for transportation of the Dolphins this is total disregard of the standards.
Noise
1. He hasn't been in Hisaronu in the season but now he knows that the bars and nearby underground night club have loud music until the early hours of the morning he will ask them to keep the noise down!
2. There is no noise insulation in the pool.
Note - The standards have very specific rules regarding noise levels and vibrations. Qualified underwater acousticexperts have to be involved.The standards clearly state that cetaceans must be protected from excessive noise and harrasment, and that sounds of a mechanical nature are most stressful to the animals because of their repetitive nature
Agents
He named Hamish McTurk as one of the agents.
Insurance
1. There is no insurance policy in Turkey for Dolphins and the insurance for tourists is covered by the agents. The Manager of the Fethiye Tourist Office confirmed this week that no agents have applied for the license as required by law; this would be done if and when approval by the Ministry is given.
Misc.
1. He seemed surprised when told British people didn't want the Dolphins kept in a pool in Hisaronu..
2. There is a comprehensive list of educational elements which should be included with an establishment of this type.The standards state that establishments should establish educational goals in their programs, these are not part of his Kas dolphinarium
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It is confirmed tickets will now be on sale within two weeks at Hamish McTurk Travel Agency!!! :-\
info@hamishmcturk.com
hamishmcturk@hotmail.com
hamishmcturk@gmail.com
Tel 0090 532 616 64 32 from outside Turkey
Tel 0532 616 64 32
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Over the years we have been customers of Hamish and his brother Hassan and used their transfer services,hired cars and booked local trips. I feel so sad that he has become involved in this venture.
My uncle was a marine biologist and once saw a dolphin who for some reason became irate, ram its nose into a shark and rupture its lungs and damage the gills so that it drowned. If a dolphin can do that to a shark what could it do to a human adult or child? If the dolphins are going to be put in this pond then who is going to be held responsible for the safety of anyone using it?
Reputable therapy pools with dolphins are only part of working with people who need them, there are also classroom assessments and massages and the courses take a few days and are supervised by qualified professional therapists.
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If this goes ahead I think this Company may rue the day they got involved, they obviously are totally unaware of the strength of feeling about the Dolphins.
I for one, would never use them in future.
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Read Dolphin Angels post 40 minutes ago and still don't know what to say!! I am surprised at the lack of posts on this thread over the last 2 weeks! Has everyone given up? This is a battle we can win - if we all do our bit!!
The relevant contacts for the people in power have already been made on this thread. We need everyone to show support to the authorities!
I will come back with my thoughts later!!
What are yours?
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Its not over yet though -
- meeting taking place tomorrow with Travel Agent
- translation of standards being hand delivered to Osman Kurt who makes final inspection - can't read the ones he has as doesn't read English (fair enough)
- WWF will send official letters to Ministry of Environment and Forestry and Ministry of Agriculture and Rural Affairs asap.
- we have now asked WWF to phone Osman Kurt as a matter of urgency (before the final inspection) and talk him through the standards.
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Alexsandr Kuznetsov owner of the Dolphins
(http://img210.imageshack.us/img210/4282/061a.jpg)
The water in the pool delivered yesterday is now green because sea water is full of pathagens. Chemicals that can cause blindness in Dolphins will need to be added to keep it clear
(http://img64.imageshack.us/img64/3630/064au.jpg)
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This guy McTurk must have the brains of a gnat to get mixed up in this foul enterprise.
If he is under any misapprehension suggest we contact him and advise him that this is going to cost his business dearly
http://www.hamishmcturk.com/contactus_oludeniz_fethiye_travel.html
What a prat
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Hopefully we will be able to persuade Hamish McTurk not to offer this trip to the tourists!!
If he is unable (for whatever reason) to refuse to sell the tickets maybe he can be persuaded to keep them under the counter never to see the light of day!!
Osman Kurt will report back to his head Ahmet Dalli who will then report back to Firat Erkal who then gets to report to the head Honcho at Ankara with the Minister Mehmet Eker
Only have 1 e mail address which is:
info@mugla-tarim.gov.tr for Ahmet Dalli
Can anyone supply the others?
Can anyone over there please go to his office and 'Hold' him up selling ANY trips by asking so many questions about his trips that he won't sell any all day!! Any tourist will be put off by the queue and will be listening to your conversations - PUT THEM OFF!!
BUOYCOTT HAMISH McTURK
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Dear Dolphin friends,
I only just joined this Forum, but I am very aware what has been going on in Oludeniz and it breaks my heart. Thank you for keeping us so informed. I will not stop until this place is shut down! Please continue to keep us up to date and let us know what more we can do. I have a website for captive dolphins and I ran a petition against the construction of this place. The result has been sent to Kas Dolphin Park and also to the Turkish authorities. Let me know if there are any other people I can send the petition to. It has around 1300 signatures from people all over the world. If there is anything else I can do with the website or my facebook group for captive dolphins, please do get in touch!
Website: www.voice4captivedolphins.me
facebook: A voice for captive dolphins
Lets keep fighting for these dolphins, they cannot end up in this tank!
Carina x
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Ive e mailed hamish mc Turk. maybe if everyone does he will be too busy looking for authentic requests for trips
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We all know e mails can be ignored! As on this forum flood control is activated when there are too many e mails in his inbox, lets clog it up! Do not put a subject in the box or put a 'BLAG' one in so he thinking about money will open it!!
LETS HIT HIM HARD!!
Just make a draft, copy and paste Nichola, Judith and Dolphin Angels post and send the e mail not only to McTurk but to every other link posted!!
Oh and by the way anyone you know 'BUOYCOTT HAMISH McTURK'!!!
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Are the plans up for persusal in the mayors office yet?
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Its out of his hands now - the decision makers are being approached directly - see previous posts
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How about people going to his outlets, asking so many questions, throwing in questions about the 'Pond' in between, keeping them talking, trying to sell you trips, transfers or whatever. Genuine trip bookers will overhear, get put off, or get fed up waiting!!
One way to stop him raking in the money at the expense of the dolphins!!
8):D 8)
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Please be careful when criticising Hamish McTurk. The report says that the Russian owner said they are confirmed as agents for the facility. That doesn't actually mean they are. I would suggest asking them directly. If it turns out that they are, I shall start a new topic "Transfer and Excursion Companies That Don't Support the Dolphinarium", in which all those who qualify can have a free advert and link, just by letting me know they won't be :)
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Nice one Keith!!
:D 8):D
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Keith nice photo nice to see you in person...
We went to Hamish McTurk tonight and asked to book tickets for the Dolphins. Receptionist phoned him and he said they would be selling them 2 weeks later.
Later spoke to brother who was unaware of most of the issues as in the European Standards and no insurance.
Tomorrow morning a meeting with Hamish McTurk himself.
Will not post anything about any tour operator unless we have direct evidence :)
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I cannot believe that the commission on selling tickets to sit in a pool with dolphins will be larger than the money lost on transfers, trips etc from people who abhor the facility and those who support it. Please pass that little sentiment on to them for me would you please...
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with pleasure ;)
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So if Hamish Mc Turk does sell the trip there is no insurance cover?
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just had a reply to my mail
Hi Martin,
First of all we are only authorized ticket selling agency as all the other
agencies. So we are not partner or owner of that pool.
Thanks for your concern and have a good day.
Hamish.
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Was in Calis yesterday and was given a Hamish McTurk brochure. In it, it advertised swimming with dolphins in Kas from 23 to 80 pounds sterling. So if they are agents for the Dolphinarium in Kas, it makes sense that they will be agents for the one in Hisaronu.
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You can contact him on Facebook
http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=455226085289&ref=search&sid=549036018.1084934428..1#!/group.php?gid=455226085289&v=info&ref=search
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This is e-mail I sent Hamish, yesterday, along with the reply;
To: info@hamishmcturk.com
Subject: Hisaronu Dolphinarium
Hello, hope you are well, there has been a lot of concern about the Hisaronu Dolphinarium and many visitors have said they will not book any trips from agents that are involved in selling tickets for this. We have booked many trips over the years and passed on your details to other guests but do not want the dolphinarium to open and would see that selling tickets was a way of supporting this business.
Could you please confirm your position with this.
Regards
David
Reply
Hi David,
Thanks for your mail. I have just spoken with a lady who lives in KAS and called SUE. She gave me all the information about this matter,i am infromed which i had no information that Dolphinarium doesn't qualifed all requirements. What i have spoken with owner of the Dolphinarium to do transportaion from Dolphinarium to the hotels and sell tickets as like all the other agencies but i haven't sign any paper. We only discussed this matter with the Russian man who owns the Dolphinarium. So we are not a partner or running the place. The important thing is that Dolphinarium shouldn't be open in Hisaronu. As a HAMISH McTURK , i will do my responsibility. Thanks for your concern once more. I hope this matter will sort out quicly and peacefuly. We are not the addressed for such a matter. I think legal authorites are the power. That s why you should send all your protestations to Government.
Kind Regards.
Hamish McTurk Travel.
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I got this reply from Hamish McTurk
Hi Linda,
Thanks for your mail. I have just spoken with a lady who lives in KAS and called SUE. She gave me all the information about this matter,i am infromed which i had no information that Dolphinarium doesn't qualifed all requirements. What i have spoken with owner of the Dolphinarium to do transportaion from Dolphinarium to the hotels and sell tickets as like all the other agencies but i haven't sign any paper. We only discussed this matter with the Russian man who owns the Dolphinarium. So we are not a partner or running the place. The important thing is that Dolphinarium shouldn't be open in Hisaronu. As a HAMISH McTURK , i will do my responsibility. Thanks for your concern once more. I hope this matter will sort out quicly and peacefuly. We are not the addressed for such a matter. I think legal authorites are the power. That s why you should send all your protestations to Government.
Kind Regards.
Hamish McTurk Travel.
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had a 'good' reply off carol and tayfun
Dear Martin,
Thank you for your email.
I am sorry but we do not book the Dolphin Pool excursions.
If I can be of any further assistance, please do not hesitate to contact me.
Regards
Gayle
On behalf of Carole & Tayfun
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A very productive meeting this morning with Hamish McTurk who was unaware of many of the issues concerning the proposed Dolphinarium and receptive to the information that was provided.
There is a lot going on today (as we speak) so a full report/s will be made later today.
Its all hanging in the balance right now!!!
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this was a reply I got from HMcT regarding a 'potential' booking:-
Hi,Dear ......
Thanks for ur e mail,at the moment we r not selling any dolphin swim in Hisaronu as it is not certain if the place will ever open.This morning I spoke with an English lady who called Sue,gave me lots information that hisaronu is not a good place for doplphin and I agree with her However it can be possible from Kas as it is 70 miles from Hisaronu.That s why I don t know about the price and if will it be possible from Hisaronu.All other our excursions are inc.to pick up and drop from ur hotels.
Kind Regards.
Hamish McTurk
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Thats good news with regard to your meeting with Hamish McTurk, Dolpin Angel....as i type this work is still going on at the pool, more water being added and general clearing off the area, now levelled out, block paving being finished off, more fencing being erected....the work on the pool and area is far from stopped or slowing down.
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I had a meeting with Mr Hamish McTurk this morning. He appeared to be genuinly interested in what I had to say about the dolphinarium. We discussed all of the European standards and where the pool fails to comply on all counts.
He had no knowledge of the standards, and although he has not yet seen the pool, had previously expressed his concerns about the location.
He said that he had just been asked to sell tickets and conduct transfers. He also said he had not signed a contract.
I gave him a copy of the standards so that he will be able to ask the relevant questions for himself.
He seemed very grateful for information given, particularly regarding the insurance and health and safety issues. He was quite clear that his business was of extreme importance to him, and did not want to take part in any activity that would jepordize that.
He was also give a report showing the exact numbers of people who have signed the internet petitions who after all could be potential customers.
I also left copies of the notes we took of the meeting with the Russian man at the weekend and copies of all of the transmittable diseases which will certainly pose a problem should the water quality not be professionally monitered.
My feelings are that he now understands our grave concerns and will certainly re think his position with regard to promoting and being any way involved with this venture.
He agreed that now he has our research and information he is in a better position to make decisions.
He showed me the utmost courtesy and he listened intently throughout our meeting. Having read the replies to enquiries by forum members it seems he has taken what I had to say on board.
If this is the case then he should be respected and we should give him the benefit of the doubt while we wait to see what transpires.
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World Wide Opposition to Hisaronu Dolphinarium
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This is the right way to progress and just shows what can be acheived by bringing those involved into dialogue and not making knee jerk reactions.
Anyone can insult and and criticise businesses but the the acheivers are those that go for the win win result for both parties.
This could be an important step forward.
David
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quote:
Originally posted by Scunner
Please be careful when criticising Hamish McTurk. The report says that the Russian owner said they are confirmed as agents for the facility. That doesn't actually mean they are. I would suggest asking them directly. If it turns out that they are, I shall start a new topic "Transfer and Excursion Companies That Don't Support the Dolphinarium", in which all those who qualify can have a free advert and link, just by letting me know they won't be :)
We think this is an excellent idea.
Confirmed local travel agents who have said they will not sell tickets for this Dolphinarium so far are:
1. Cadianda - and they have a poster against the Dolphinarium on public display in their office.
2. Carole & Tayfun
3. Activities Unlimited
4. ok whose next?
:D:D NO TiCKETS = NO DOLPHINARIUM :D :D
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well said David....and well done to the Dolphin Angels....progress is being made all of the time.
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It is obvious that when hotels/bars/tour operators are given the relevant information on why the 'Pond' shouldn't open they will be on the Dolphins side!!
We know we can WIN - Just keep going!!
By the way imagine what will happen to the value of the houses that surround/overlook the 'Pond'? Who would want to look out of their windows every day and be forced to watch the dolphins die a slow death?
Not me thats for SURE!!
[:(!]
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I have just received another e mail from HMcT.
I did write to you my genuin feelings. If you keep going on , it does harm my business and it is not fair. As i wrote earlier , it is nothing to do with us. Thanks.
He is obviously seriously worried about the effect on his business if he does sell the tickets!!
He has also posted a comment on the Facebook topic of 'Free the Olu Deniz Dolphins'
:D:D
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Great job everyone! :-)
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I think that there is no need for people to keep contacting him after the meeting that was very well handled this morning by the 'angels'. It is better to deal with this in a co-ordinated manner and see what happens next. The important thing is to have everyone working as one team which may mean letting them feel that they are making the decisions not to be involved in this venture.
I have great respect for those handling this in a very constructive manner whilst considering the consequences of their actions.
David
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davidzz
The reply I posted on here from Hamish McTurk earlier tonight was in reply to the e mails I sent to him LAST night when we were asked to do so by the Dolphin Angels.
I totally agree that this is now a more co-ordinated effort and the Dolphin Angels are doing a brilliant job, especially keeping us up-dated whenever they can.
When nobody posts info, replies etc people do actually think that the campaign is slowing down and ask what can they do. Posting the replies to e mails does let other campaigners know that they are not the only ones trying to do something and keeps them going as well.
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me too. Just asked if he was aware of how many people were against this project here, and I had a very nice reply from Hamish which I have thanked him for and assured I will use him for trips But not to Dolphinarium!quote:
Originally posted by cheers
davidzz
The reply I posted on here from Hamish McTurk earlier tonight was in reply to the e mails I sent to him LAST night when we were asked to do so by the Dolphin Angels.
I totally agree that this is now a more co-ordinated effort and the Dolphin Angels are doing a brilliant job, especially keeping us up-dated whenever they can.
When nobody posts info, replies etc people do actually think that the campaign is slowing down and ask what can they do. Posting the replies to e mails does let other campaigners know that they are not the only ones trying to do something and keeps them going as well.
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Well done to Dolphin angel.
Hamish McTurk has obviously 'taken on board' all the concerns regarding this so thanks to him as well.
Just cross fingers that the 'officials' do, as well.
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Received this from Activities unlimited;
Good morning, David from sunny Turkey Hope yiu are well this morning Thank you for your email This company would like to confirm we will not be selling tickets for this venture Regards Hils
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Thanks David
Activities Unlimited is now added to the list of local tour operators not supporting this venture. Full list so far bottom of page 29
http://www.calis-beach.co.uk/forum/topic.asp?whichpage=28.8&TOPIC_ID=34491#311597
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Our campaign now must focus on the theory No tickets equals no dolphinarium
It is vital that we find out who will or will not support this venture
We have just found out how effective this can be by the previous posts!
It is important that we have a written reply rather than a report of a telephone call with a ticket seller
Here is a list of some of the main agents that we have not contacted so far, Focus Hisaronu, Seaside Calis, Pioneer Hisaronu, Tiny Akropol Hisaronu, Papirus Hisaronu, Green Anotolian Hisaronu, Tapestry Ovacik, Bloody Gorgeous Oludeniz
These can be found on the internet with contact details, every email will make a difference.
Thank you all for your efforts, together we will win!
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The directory we are looking at does not have email addresses so here are some telephone numbers, If their emails are not on the internet,could you please ask for their email contact address.
Falcon6166436,Seaside6221296,6170711,TinyAcrapol6166768,Pioneer616690Focus6149986,6167198,Bloodygorgeous6170655,Papirus6166666,Tapestry6127518
If you find any email adresses please let us know, thank you so very much
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Here are a few e mail addresses that I have found so far:
focustourism@hotmail.com
focusparagliding@hotmail.com
info@fethiyeholiday.com
Some you can leave an e mail directly through their website.
One only had a link to Tursab so here are theirs:
foreignrelations@tursab.org.tr
foreignaffairs@tursab.org.tr
tursab@tursab.org.tr
Only one I couldn't find was Bloody Gorgeous Olu Deniz, so if anyone can find that it would help but due to all the bad press on Trip Advisor and Holiday Watchdog no'ne in their right minds would book a trip with him!
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Cross Jewel in the Crown holidays off the list. Just got a reply
Hi
I've checked with our resort office and they agree that the pool size is
going to be very small and they are not sure if the venture will be
allowed to go ahead but even if it does then we do not intend to
advertise/promote it in our programme of excursions.
Regards
:D:D:D
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Excellent work cheers!
Another large travel agency is Gold Trail
Does anyone know their contact details
Please evry body write to the agencies and ask that all important question
This is a last push before the inspection or should I say a last gasp for the dolphins!
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info@goldtrail.co.uk
also
info@twholidays.com
Can't seem to find one for On the Beach - I have just rang them and they gave me www.onthebeach.co.uk found this one .....
press@onthebeach.co.uk
Happy e mailing people before its too late!!
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Looks like the word is spreading that supporting the Dolphinarium will be bad for business... :D
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quote:
Thanks David
Activities Unlimited is now added to the list of local tour operators not supporting this venture. Full list so far bottom of page 29
I did e-mail focus at the same time but no reply as of yet, they may be gathering more info about or not decided yet. Will let you know when I have a reply.
David
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Brilliant News!!!!!!!!!!!!
Just got a reply from Goldtrail...........
I don't intend to sell them!!
Regards
Fiona
WE CAN DO THIS!!
:D:D:D
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Please add Hamish McTurk to the list of people not selling tickets!!
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Well done one and all.
Bruce
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quote:
Originally posted by cheers
Please add Hamish McTurk to the list of people not selling tickets!!
Are Hamish McTurk aware that the owners are telling people that they will be?
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This is great everyone! I spoke to the Born Free Foundation to ask for their help, this is the reply I received:
Thank you very much for taking the time to contact the Born Free Foundation with your concerns regarding the new dolphinarium being built in Hisoronu, Turkey. On issues regarding whales and dolphins, Born Free works closely with the Whale and Dolphin Conservation Society (WDCS). Together we are working to try and address the issues affecting dolphins in captivity and urge for these facilities to be phased out, so news of this new dolphinarium being built in Hisoronu was very sad indeed. It's heartening to know that many residents and regular holiday makers to the area feel so strongly about this issue. Sadly, dolphinariums which offer ‘swim with' activities are big business and bring in a lot of revenue, so they can be very hard to tackle. We have written to express our concerns the Governor of Mugla and the Ministry of Agriculture and Environment etc, as have other organisations, including WDCS. Born Free is also in discussion with our contacts in the travel industry as some of them have also expressed their concerns re this new facility.
You may be interested to know that Born Free has established the European Network to end the keeping of wild animals in Captivity (ENDCAP). ENDCAP brings together 30 Non-Governmental animal welfare organisations, representing 20 European countries, in order to work together on issues of captive animal welfare in Europe. You can find out more about our campaign to end the keeping of dolphins in captivity in Europe on our website at www.bornfree.org.uk/get-involved/campaigning/petitions/dolphinaria-petition/
For more information about our work, how you can get more involved, and how you can join us a member or adopt one of our rescued animals, please visit our website at www.bornfree.org.uk.
Once again many thanks for contacting us and for the information you have provided. It will take all our combined efforts to bring about the changes we seek. Together we can make the world a better place for wild animals!
Yours truly,
Sarah Jefferson
Zoo Check Assistant
Born Free Foundation
WDCS has also let me know that what we are doing at the moment is the best that can be done, so again, great work everyone!!!
Will get emailing now, thanks for all the contact addresses!
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quote:
Originally posted by Scunner
quote:
Originally posted by cheers
Please add Hamish McTurk to the list of people not selling tickets!!
Are Hamish McTurk aware that the owners are telling people that they will be?
HE DOES NOW!!!!!!!!
I have the e mails and he has also posted a reply on Facebook saying the same!!
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Confirmed local travel agents who have said they will not sell tickets for this Dolphinarium so far are:
1. Cadianda - and they have a poster against the Dolphinarium on public display in their office.
2. Carole & Tayfun
3. Activities Unlimited
4. Jewel in the Crown
4. ok whose next? To qualify you have to state categorically that you are not/will not sell tickets...
:D :D :D NO TiCKETS = NO DOLPHINARIUM :D :D :D
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All posts by visitors on HMT Face book have been removed and he has changed his email.
There is nothing on there stating he is not selling tickets. Not any more....
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Goldtrail!! Are they OK?
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quote:
Originally posted by Scunner
quote:
Originally posted by cheers
Please add Hamish McTurk to the list of people not selling tickets!!
Are Hamish McTurk aware that the owners are telling people that they will be?
Yes, he was told in the meeting yesterday. And he did confirm that he was planning to sell tickets. We felt that he listened to what we had to say and hoped that afterwards that he had taken on board our concerns.
We have suggested previously that he is not contacted any more while we wait to see what happens. If nothing else he knows the strength of feeling about this project.
Just to note that the list we are doing is for local tour operators but it is good to hear Gold Trail has joined Thomas Cook, TUI, Holidays 4U, Thomsons in saying they won't be supporting this by selling tickets
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With regard to Hamish Mac Turk.... yes one reason for visiting him yesterday was because the Russian said on Sunday, that he was working with that travel agency. This reason was told to Mr Mac Turk.
Mr Mac Turk said that he had not signed any contract yet. However, there was an arrangement that he, Mr Mac Turk, would sell tickets and undertake the hotel transfers for customers.
Mr Mac Turk was fully informed of the fact that the pool does not conform to the european standards as promised by the Russian at the begining.
Quote from Mr Ibrahim Dilek personal assistant to Mr Kutznetsov via Fethiye Times 13.3.10....
The pool is being built in accordance with European standards and will be big enough for two dolphins to live confortably...unquote
Mr Mac Turk took copies of the European standards, this is the only travel agent which we have approached so far, who has shown any interest to have them.
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is he still going to sell tickets for the dolphinareum do we know?
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Just got this from HMcT
Timed: 21:33
Hi Linda ,
While i was in Holland my brother has spoken with them but i havent sign any contract. Dolphinarium shouldn't be open in Hisaronu. We only spoke them to the hotel transfers. I dont know how i can be more clear. !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I am not selling agency for them . I didnt sign any contract with them.
Just a thought - Could his brother have signed the contract?
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World Wide Opposition to Hisaronu Dolphinarium Update 5May10
Facebook groups
Yunus-Parklari-Kapatilsin - 3960 members - increased to 4725 members 5May10
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Free the Ölüdeniz Dolphins - 4034 members - increased to 4099 members 5May10
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Internet Online Petitions
Online petition 2868 signatures - increased to 3015 5May10
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A Voice for Captive Dolphins Petition 1334 signatures
https://acrobat.com/#il=1&d=WnHGOcDRcO99S529sWF5SA
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This information was brought to the attention of the Kaymakan and the Head of the Fethiye Tourist Board and they are not pleased at all that the area is being brought into disrepute by the planned Dolphinarium and have expressed their opposition to it.
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Brilliant news Dolphin Angels - As you have posted earlier people are listening!!
We are not finished yet - Keep going!!
I personally won't give up until the end!!
:D:D
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Here are a few more local travel agents to contact:
info@koraltravel.com
lighttours@lighttours.com
info@goturkey.com
press@ciao-group.com they have local agents in Hisaronou
info@ezmentours.com they are local agent for Buzz Tours info@buzzholidays.com UK Tour operator
Buzz travel seems to come up for a lot of agencies
info@taberhols.co.uk
customer@yesildalyantravel.com
Please contact on behalf of the dolphins!!
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quote:
Originally posted by cheers
Just got this from HMcT
Timed: 21:33
Hi Linda ,
While i was in Holland my brother has spoken with them but i havent sign any contract. Dolphinarium shouldn't be open in Hisaronu. We only spoke them to the hotel transfers. I dont know how i can be more clear. !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I am not selling agency for them . I didnt sign any contract with them.
Just a thought - Could his brother have signed the contract?
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As I see it Hamish Mcturk has double standards. In one breath he is saying they wont be selling tickets for the Dolphinarium in Hisaronu, but he is still selling trips to the one in Kas (as advertised in their brochure). Surely, if he was against this venture, he would stop selling trips to any Dolphinarium. Or is he just someone saying one thing thing to our faces, thendoing the opposite.
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It so good to see that things are starting to happen now, and that many tour groups will not be selling this excursion-especially the big names. Well DOne All.
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There is a new angel in our midst!
A lady called Ellen, who can be found in the new art gallery at the top end of Hisaronu, has kindly translated all of the E E A M standards into Turkish
This is a very time consuming task and she will not accept any payment because in her words she has done this for the dolphins!
We have been told that officials cannot use the standards we have provided them with because they are written in English. Therefore Ellens work is of great importance to our campaign.
Rest assured, her translated standards are winging their way to as many officials as we can think of.
If you are in Hisaronu, do please call in to thank her most sincerely.
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A big CHEER for Ellen - fantastic work!!:D:D
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When contacting travel agencies, it might be good to just ask them, to answer yes or no, will they be selling tickets or transferring tourists to the new dolphinarium
Please write write write
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I just want to post something about the so called champions of the causes whatever the cause and whoever the champions of it may be.
Fancy job titles yes! Glossy leaflets yes! Interesting web sites yes! Appearing on TV yes! Office day 9-5 there we go... that's more like it...
Ask them to get their hands dirty and get out off their offices or do anything remotely useful like provide a contact address or write an email or even send an email that's been written and translated for them or answer their bloody telephone then forget it.
If this project goes ahead it won't be down to the people on the ground running around 24/7 it'll be beacuase the people who are paid to do this are on 'training' courses or in a 'meeting' or pontificating in front of a TV camera. [:(!]
But you know who'll be rushing out the door to get to the celebratory party if we win to bask in the glory of our success... well this is advance notice that they can jolly well forget that right here right now because they ain't invited!
Well now I have got that off my chest back to the business in hand
oooh better than therapy ;)
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anythings better than dolphin therapy!!
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I went to see the pool today. First, they were topping it up with water from a hosepipe. It was about 2/3rds full so, obviously, the water is not to standard of sea water.
Secondly, spoke to a number of Thomas Cook reps (Lord love them!) who said they wouldn't even be mentioning the 'attraction'.
I really do think we need to find out who in Hisaronou will be promoting this. If anyone goes to a bar/restaurant/attraction could they please ask?
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I doubt anyone will say they are selling tickets at this time. As more tour booking agencies refuse to promote the paddling pool, the rewards being offered to do so will increase until one or more can resist no longer in these testing financial times and decide it is an opportunity too good to miss.
Mark my words, I can almost guarantee it...
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You're probably right Keith
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Trust me please, I know how business works in Fethiye. Sadly.
If there is one silver lining to my prediction, it is that the owners will do everything possible to get ticketing agencies and tour operators to sell places. At this time nobody will so the owners will have to make it more attractive. This means paying the agencies more, probably much more. That has to be recouped and can only be through increasing ticket prices. Increasing ticket prices directly affects demand...
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Yes you have totally hit the nail on the head Keith, if there is money to made in something people will do it. I know my turkish uncle would sell these tickets out of pure innocence but if everything was explained to him he would throw the tickets out of the door, and definately without a moments hesitation if he knew the big tour companies weren't supporting this. If people ae made aware they will help I am sure, there are still several decent people out there.
Good luck everyone
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I didn't know where the site was so asked a number of people (who didn't know either) Eventually this guy who worked in a restaurant told me, I asked him if he would be recommending it (he said no, didn't approve at all).
Must admit my biggest concern is that the restaurant/bars etc, when asked 'what to do, where to go' will promote it. Have said before I feel there is a need for people to check out the local venues re: this. Will there be leaflets around offering discounts etc?
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A contact wrote to Mr Hamish MacTurk in reply to the same ambiguous answer that many have received. It goes thus...
thank you for your quick reply, however it does not answer my question.
Will you be selling tickets and transferring tourists now you know the pool does not meet standards. Please answer YES or NO...
Hamish Mac Turk replied NO!!!!!!! unquote
can we hear the sounds of ten green bottles being sung!
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quote:
Originally posted by Scunner
Trust me please, I know how business works in Fethiye. Sadly.
If there is one silver lining to my prediction, it is that the owners will do everything possible to get ticketing agencies and tour operators to sell places. At this time nobody will so the owners will have to make it more attractive. This means paying the agencies more, probably much more. That has to be recouped and can only be through increasing ticket prices. Increasing ticket prices directly affects demand...
Business is business everywhere Keith!! Hopefully people will boycott the agencies selling these tickets, but if the money is there they won't be able to resist. They will just pay cheap labour to take the flak off objectors!!
At the end of the day as you say ticket prices will go up and in this economic climate a family with 2-3 kids will not be able to afford to go anyway!! (In a good way they will not get upset seeing the conditions the dolphins are kept in - they won't see the dolphins with cuts on their mouths where they have tried to chew their way out, they will not see the wounds on their body where they have tried to smash the bars of the cages down to get out!)
Sorry Dolphin Angels I just couldn't take your advice not to contact HMcT. I would like to say I don't know him, have never spoken to him and have never bought a trip from him!
As you know I did post an e mail from him where he stated he had not signed any contract with the Russians - I e mailed him back and asked was it his brother then who had signed the contract?
I received the following reply this afternoon:
Hi Linda ,
How many times i should write to you more ? He only spoken with them. He can not sign any paper for HAMISH McTURK travel. My company is not will be with them
As from this morning there is no option of 'Swimming with Dolphins' on his websites either in Kas or anywhere else!!
But..........As Keith says 'MONEY TALKS!!............Time will TELL
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For it to open as a dolphinarium the 'pool/puddle' will have to be licensed by the National Parks manager and info passed to me by a 'little bird' that the local NP manager spoke to indicates he is well aware of the protest on the internet and is unlikely to give permission on the grounds of animal rights. Also we know that the council leader Mr K is back peddalling as fast as he possibly can in the face of the contracts he/the council signed before the issue was really thought through.
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Do we have an e mail address for the Natioinal Parks manager?
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As of last Sunday, Hamish McTurk were still advertising the swimming with dolphins in Kas in their brochure. They might remove it now in sympathy with the H dolphins. However, if it has been a good money spinner in the past, Then I cant see them delisting it. After all, they are in the business of making money, which seems to have a lot of sway over morals.
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Sue could your little bird please share her contact details for
the National Parks manager.
He seems to be a vital link in the chain
Sharing details has proved to be so critical for our campaign.
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Here are some email addresses that have not even replied to the question,...
Will you be selling tickets or transferring tourists to the Dolphinarium in Kas or Hisaronu, YES or NO....lighttours@lighttours.com
info@buzzholidays.com
info@ezmentours.com
info@goturkey.com
customer@yesildalyantravel.com
info@fethiyeholidays/com
seaside, based in Calis no email avaliable
lets get together a comprehensive list of those agent that WILL or WILL NOT sell tickets
any more addresses or replies, please post them
thank you all again
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Maybe soomeone could call into Seaside in Calis and ask for an e mail address? There are no contacts on their website but THEY D OFFER TOURS TO SWIM WITH DOLPHINS for Marmaris and igmeler. There is not even a phone number for them!!
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Just got this off Trip Advisor:
If people didn't realise how small this 'Puddle' is after watching this they will!! Please don't forget there will be 2 cages inside where they will keep the dolphins when not 'Working'.
No champagne corks yet tho'!!!
Recorded by someone on 4.5.10 at 2.00pm, no one working there.
Directly behind Dragonaro Chinese restaurant.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6PZ_kN38848
:o :o :o
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still working on the pool.....still filling the pool up with water, from a tap.!!!..that was at 11 am this morning.
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That video really does bring home just how tiny the puddle is. It is the size of a hotel swimming pool. I've seen the photos and knew it was small, but the video really gives you the true size. If that get passed them someone is lining someone else's pockets along the way.
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I certainly didn't think it was that small! I'm genuinely shocked to see it. Two dolphins couldn't possibly live and swim in that? They will have just about enough room to turn.
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What is the name of the National Parks Manager? Perhaps we could find out contact details that way?
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This is really sad, it looked at one point this thing would not progress. can we do anymore!
Kevin
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We are trying our best!!
When people view the You Tube video they see exactly the size of the 'Puddle'. It is to house 2 dolphins - the conditions not only for the dolphins but for humans will be intolerable! If you have read the posts from the 'Dolphin Angels' you will be aware of the diseases that people can catch!! Don't forget this 'Puddle' is being opened under the guise of 'Therapy' for mainly sick people. When people are sick they are open to all kinds of infections!
Obviously no pictures of the real site will be shown in brochures, leaflets, advertisements, etc.
The information is on this thread what can be done!! We need everyone to keep getting involved, whether it is through the forum or through private e mails we need to share information!!
I fortunately am in the position of having a bit of time on my hands so regularly trawl other sites and report back here and there religiously!
People power does work!!
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We have a campaign with several lines of attack,
1. Notifying every official involved that this pool does not meet any of the E E A M standards which it was promised by the owner that it would meet. These standards are to protect the public and the dolphins.
2 Educating the public on the conditions of the pool,and why it does not meet the standards, Also, keeping the public abreast of the campaign. Please pass the word on to local buisinesses, friends and family who are living here or coming on holiday.
3 Finding out which travel agents will support or not support the dolphinarium and make this public knowledge. Making travel agents aware that customers may vote with their feet!So please ask your travel agent and post your response.We can read this and so can they!
4 Geting animal welfare organisations involved, it does not matter if they are over seas, they will write a letter to the authorities here if you provide them with contact details. Their letters will demonstrate a global concern, which is important.
5 Offering advice regarding how to help, who to write to etc as each new important contact detail is found. Ask your friends to look at this forum, trip advisor, facebook etc and contribute.
We know that it is only the constant barrage of emailing and telephoning, especially regarding tourism and the bad press regarding Hisaronu,that makes the authorities take note.
SO PLEASE, READ PREVIOUS POSTS ON THIS FORUM.YOU WILL FIND THE CONTACT DETAILS OF OFFICIALS, TRAVEL AGENCIES, ANIMAL WELFARE AGENCIES, EVEN PRINCE CHARLES AND MANY MORE BESIDES.
WHO EVER YOU CHOOSE TO WRITE TO OR TELEPHONE, YOUR ONE CONTACT COULD JUST MAKE THE DIFFERENCE.
TODAY THE PLANTS WERE BEING PUT INTO THE GROUND, ALREADY THE WATER IS IN, ALREADY THE FENCES ARE UP, AND ALREADY THE FIRST OFFICIAL INSPECTION HAS BEEN MADE!
ASK YOU FAMILY, ASK YOUR FRIENDS, FOR JUST ONE EMAIL AND WRITE WRITE WRITE.
Once the dolphins are in and the first tourist has bought a ticket it will be sadly be too late.
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Great, back into action then!
Kevin
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there cleaning the bottom of the pool as i write this.
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Maybe another contact to try.
This is a quote from Ric O'Barry (flipper guy) in the closing of the documentary 'The Cove'.....''if there is a dolphin in trouble anywhere in the world I will go and try to save it''......
You can send him a message on his Facebook page Richard O'Barry. Sorry can't find an e mail address for him.
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Has the mayor in Fethiye got any leverage with Hisaranou?
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Don't know JulieP maybe someone else will know.
Here are another 2 contacts to e mail if you have got any fingers left!:D
The Municipality of Oludeniz: baskan@oludeniz.bel.tr hizmet@oludeniz.bel.tr
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The dolphins are going to be in a small pool between a chinese restaurant and an Irish bar( all night dancing advertised).If anyone had said I would one day see that I would have laughed and not have believed it could happen.
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We have already visited the Fethiye Mayor and also the Kaymakam who is above the mayor and have given copies of the standards in English and Turkish. If the dolphins are to be moved from Kas, then by the standards there must be authorisation given by government aurthorities.
We have previously mentioned the importance of Mr Osman Kurt and the Vali Dr.Altirparmak in Mugla, but now we think we ought to target the Kas authorities too!
Anyone out there who can provide the Vali s name for Antalya or any official for agricultural affairs will definately win a browny point.Then we can send the standards in Turkish to them too.
Remember when writing, it is the detrimental effect on tourism and the health and safety angles that seem to cause the most concern! Regrettable the animal welfare issues seem less important than profit.
We believe in Ankara there is a minister for marine animals, possibly called Mrs Rahdiar, two browny points for getting her contact details!!
Also lets not forget our local travel agencies enquiries, lets make sure they are aware that customers may vote with their feet.Please post any results.
We must have many readers in the Hisaronu area, please please could you enlighten all of the buisinesses there, from cafes to hairdressers, gift shops to travel agencies.
so lots to do. The dolphins lives are dependant on us and every letter we write.
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The Kaymakam (meeting with Angels and Kaymakam has taken place) who is over both the Hisaronu and Fethiye Mayors has expressed his opposition to this. He and some senior members of his team wrote to Mayor Yilmaz and advised him not to do this before contracts were signed and money changed hands.
Allegedly since then the Mugla Vali who is the boss over all of them has been to Hisaronu and the Mayor has signed something to say he thought it was just for water activities.
Since then again allegedly a letter has been sent from Mugla Vali to the Russian saying he will not be granted a license; although he doesn't actually need a licence to open a Dolphinarium so I wouldn't get too excited about that.
In the meantime we/you have all been contacting local travel agents asking if they will be selling tickets - some have replied but most have simply not bothered.
You may remember that ibrahim Dilek personal assisstant to Aleksandr Kuznetsov who said the Dolphinarium would be built according to European Standards - this quote first reported in the Hurriyet is important - our campaign hinges on this.
So we have translated the European Standards to Turkiish and personally dropped them off at all the local decision makers including the Kaymakam and emailed them to all the Mugla Vali email addresses we could lay our hands on including the Mugla Vali Dr Ahmet Altiparmak, Mr Osman Kurt the elusive inspector who works for the relevant Ministry and manages to survive without an email address or a phone number and Arzu at 179 etc followed up by phone calls asking for these to handed to the relevant persons.
We have also sent the translated standards to the organisations in Turkey who are allegedly helping with this and who can send these standards to the key decision makers with a covering letter on headed paper which frankly would carry more weight.
We have also provided written documents showing the world wide opposition to this to the Mugla Vali, the Kaymakam, etc.
We still wait to hear or better still see something concrete (apart from the pool) in writing either way.
We carry on the work until that day.
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quote:
Originally posted by Dolphin Angels
Well last night we had planned to go to the pond - we'd been planning to go every day last week but things just kept getting in the way.
So anyway as fate would have it who was there - The Russian Owner of the Dolphins. And what else was going on the pool was being filled with water. We have photoagraphed it all and will add these later tonight for you to see.
We were approached by the Russian and a girl (who translated) and asked why we were taking photos of them, so not ones to miss this golden oopportunity we ended up having a very lengthy question and answer session.
Here is a record of the key points - sorry its so long
Dolphins
1. The first 2 Dolphins he owned in Kas died from pneumonia.
2. The current 2 Dolphins were taken from the wild when Turkey allowed itself to break the Cities agreement and 30 Dolphins were captured in the Mediterranean 5 years ago.
3. He said Dolphins don't hear - which is nonsense because sound/hearing is their primary sense
4. He said he loves Dolphins but didn't answer when asked why they weren't moved from Kas when the area was being dynamited which causes them a great deal of stress.
5. Initially he said they were for therapy but later when questioned about why bring them to a concrete pool in Hisaronu,he said because of the economic crisis they were not making enough money in Kas to take care of the Dolphins.
He added that many tourists come each year from this area to Kaş to swim with the Dolphins and it is difficult to get permission to rent or buy area in the sea.
6. He said he didn't know what that Dolphins do to heal the sick but they do
7. When questioned about transmittable diseases that can be passed to or from Dolphins to humans he said that sick people weren't allowed to swim with Dolphins and demonstrated by coughing to show these people would not be allowed to swim.
8. The Dolphins will be separated in the pool during the day but together at night, obviously two dolphins swimming in tight circles means two lots of customers! Also if the dolphins were together they might not concentrate on the customers!
9. He claimed that Dolphins live longer in captivity (despite all research and evidence to the contrary) as there is more control over conditions and pollutants.
10. He didn't explain when asked why the Dolphins were covered in marks consistent with teeth bites.
Note - previous applications to Fethiye have twice been rejected.
Pool area and pool water
1. He says the pool area is 1000m³ but includes the 2 shelf areas at either end. In actual fact it falls far short on the European Standards which are a minimum requirement. Actual figures on the shortfall will come in separate post.
2.Sea water is being brought and pumped into the pool
A muslin cloth s attached to the end of the pipe to filter the water as it's pumped into the pool.
3. Water samples will be taken from the pool but he was vague and didn't appear to know about where the samples would be tested.
4. He said shade for the pool will be put up but we could see no provision for this. Shade is required by the standards
5. No evidence of separate buildings for preparation of food etc as required by the standards.
6. A waterproof sealant has been painted on the concrete walls of the pool. He could not say if this had been proven to be free from toxins and safe for Dolphins.
7. Water is filtered every six hours and can be increased if necessary. The standards say it should not exceed four hours, Also, how will it be judged sufficient if there is not adequate and professional testing?
8. There was no evidence of a generator in the event of power cuts.
9. Pool will have a system to control the temperature.
10 the standards clearly state that there should be protection from interference by the public. We could only see short wooden picket fencing presumably for the perimeter fence
11 The pool should be protected from flies and contaminants, four dolphins recently died in Alanya by ingesting leaves from neighbouring trees. It was obvious he had not considered this issue in realtion to the pool in Hisaronu,
Qualified personnel
1. There is no Vet for the Dolphins on site this is in complete disregard to the standards specification - the trainer is Mexican with no professional qualifications, and veterinary advice comes from an unidentified source via e-mail from Mexico.
2. Blood samples will be taken monthly from Dolphins and sent to Mexico for analysis only qualified proffesionals should be doing this, his trainer is not qualified .
3. None of the staff have official qualifications i.e. Marine Biologist or Vetinary qualifications.
4. There isn't a separate treatment pool although they plan to build one we saw no provision for this on site.
5. No Vet for transportation of the Dolphins this is total disregard of the standards.
Noise
1. He hasn't been in Hisaronu in the season but now he knows that the bars and nearby underground night club have loud music until the early hours of the morning he will ask them to keep the noise down!
2. There is no noise insulation in the pool.
Note - The standards have very specific rules regarding noise levels and vibrations. Qualified underwater acousticexperts have to be involved.The standards clearly state that cetaceans must be protected from excessive noise and harrasment, and that sounds of a mechanical nature are most stressful to the animals because of their repetitive nature
Agents
He named Hamish McTurk as one of the agents.
Insurance
1. There is no insurance policy in Turkey for Dolphins and the insurance for tourists is covered by the agents. The Manager of the Fethiye Tourist Office confirmed this week that no agents have applied for the license as required by law; this would be done if and when approval by the Ministry is given.
Misc.
1. He seemed surprised when told British people didn't want the Dolphins kept in a pool in Hisaronu..
2. There is a comprehensive list of educational elements which should be included with an establishment of this type.The standards state that establishments should establish educational goals in their programs, these are not part of his Kas dolphinarium
Can everybody keep this thread in their minds please!!
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When we paid the visit as described above, one container of sea water was being pumped into the pool.
Since then we have heard that a hosepipe was being used to fill, this maybe because the sea around Oludeniz is protected and we think that he has only been allowed to take a certain amount of sea water.
At the begining of the project we were told that sea water was to be used, well that doesnt seem to be the case.
This brings us onto how is the water quality going is to be maintained and be beneficial to dolphins and public.
Obviously if the above is the case then chlorine has to be used.
Too much will cause the dolphins probable blindness, too little will not kill the germs.
He has not been able to tell us who will take samples and where they will be taken.
He has no qualified personnel as we know, so who will be controlling the chlorine!
This issue of water quality is of major significance.
THE WATER QUALITY IS A MAJOR PUBLIC HEALTH AND SAFETY ISSUE
We share so many illnesses with dolphins, the water will be warm,and will act as an incubator we have little confidence in the administration, testing and sterilising process.
Please pass this message on.
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Good job I was a Brownie!!
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Antalya Vali is Alaaddin Yüksel.he is quite a traditionalist and campaigns strongly against things like Izvidaç programmes(marriage shows on TV).His address is
antalya@icisleri.gov.tr
Tel-0242 243 9791
Fax-0242 243 9395
Another man who you could try is the Assistant Vali(there are a few of them!) but this one,name,Yildirim Uçar has special responsibility for Turizm and Culture.
And also this othjer assistant vali ,name-Hakki Logoglu.He is responsible for Villages and fisheries,farming ,animal health and welfare,-basically a finger in every area valid to the dolphins.he can be contacted on the same address.
Another NGO to contact is
www.turmepa.org.tr who do work similar to WWF etc.
Yet another is TUDAV the Turkish Sea Protection and Investigation Charity
www.tudav.org
Sorry didn't get the double brownie points as no trace of the lady in the dolphin angels request for help.
Anyone know who I can give my brownie point to?
Lets get copying and pasting!!
Time is running out!!
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Please don't forget this article....
http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/n.php?n=-2010-02-18
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And the latest article is an interview with Aleksandr Kuznetsov himself
http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/n.php?n=owner-defends-hisaronu-dolphinarium-construction-2010-05-09
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Turks are thick and can't think for themslves and its just a few British residents who don't like this...
These are todays figures for the
World Wide Opposition to Hisaronu Dolphinarium
Facebook groups
Yunus-Parklari-Kapatilsin - 5026 members
http://www.facebook.com/?sk=2361831622#!/pages/YUNUS-PARKLARI-KAPATILSIN/340170370958
Free the Ölüdeniz Dolphins - 4287 members
http://www.facebook.com/#!/group.php?gid=358308272654&ajaxpipe=1&__a=8
Internet Online Petitions
Online petition 3166 signatures
http://yasamhakkinasaygi.com/dilekce/dilekce_detay.asp?id=329&DURUM=2
A Voice for Captive Dolphins Petition 1334 signatures
https://acrobat.com/#il=1&d=WnHGOcDRcO99S529sWF5SA
Figures correct 10th May 2010
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I don't get angry often but this made me see red
http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/n.php?n=owner-defends-hisaronu-dolphinarium-construction-2010-05-09
Who the hell does this Russian think he his to tell us Brits that we love to see dolphins kept in these conditions?
And those stupid comments from the idiot owners of Nadia's Bar - Nadia has "lived in England" so, again knows all about Brits.
NO YOU DO NOT NADIA - ME and, I suspect 4000 other Facebook signatories will not venture into your bar again.
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After you have read this one sided article can you please post a comment at the bottom of the page. It will be helpful and you never know the Hurriyet might actually run an article from the protesters point of view.
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Tried looking for a web site or an e mail address for Nadias' Irish Bar but can not find one. Does anyone have this, if we all sent polite but firm e mails saying that we will not be frequenting her bar until she announces that she no longer has anything do with this activity, it might make her feel differently about it?
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I went to Nadias bar yesterday, the young man told me that it was very exciting to have the dolphins opposite, he thought it would be a huge attraction. For that, read it will generate more money for Nadias Bar.
The russian had obviously got there first!
Even after lengthy dialogue, he still beleived it to be good, because the park would be safe for girls to walk past at night, now it is occupied!
Also the Russian loves his dolphins and they are given vitamins!
So forget the cruelty aspect then, as long as they are given vitamins!!
When told dolphins in the wild travel over 100 miles a day, he was content to know that they would get excersise by swimming in circles.
He did think the pool looked small, but the Russian said it was bigger than Kas and was the right size.And the russian should know.
It is certainly necessary for more people to contact them, with regard to informing them of public dissent and the adverse effects this pool will undoubtably have on tourism.
With regards to the Hurriyet article, I look forward to them contacting us now,in order to write an article regarding our views of the situation. And we will rely on known facts not fiction.
Perhaps the Hurriyet stands to gain advertising revenue, because I can think of no other reason for giving this wholly cruel and unnecessary dolphinarium so much biased and unchallenged reporting.
With over 12 thousand signing internet petitions, major tour operators withdrawing approval, travel operators licence being withheld, over 15,000 visitors to the calis beach forum protest site etc etc, I truly believe that we deserve as much columm space, unchallenged,just as the Russian owner has had.
There is a reply facility on the Hurriyet news article inprevious post
above.
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That article is blooming disgusting (insert your own word instead of blooming). How dare they say that about English tourists and Turkish residents? I have posted my response on Hurriyet. I will never, ever set foot in Nadia's bar. This is barbaric!
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oh dear, seems the Hurriyet didnt like my new postings regarding advertising, they have not been displayed as yet.
We are still baffled, why did they give such a biased reporting, why were the points not questioned and the facts regarding the pool not meeting any of the standards made clear in the article.
The Hurriyet is welcome to sit in my sunny leafed garden any time to put across our points of view.
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Judith, how long does it take for the postings to appear? Put my posting on nearly an hour ago and it still hasn't appeared!
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They havent displayed my post either and there was absolutely nothing controversial in it. I guess they've just had too many responses ....
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I posted my comment about 10.30 when there were 10 comments. My comment isn't there either! Just sent another one and there are still only 14 comments. Maybe they're only putting 1 post in a thousand on! Curious isn't it?
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my first posting appeared almost immediately, subsequent ones have not appeared at all so far
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I think that Jane's article in Hurriyet is excellent.
By being unbiased she allows you, the reader, to form your own conclusion.
An article written in this way can only generate one emotion - pure anger against this evil Russian and their ar$elick friends at the (soon to be empty, I hope) Nadia's bar.
I will personnally boycott any establishment that comes out in support of this dolphinarium and hope that others will do the same.
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I posted about hour and a half ago. Nothing there yet.
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I have to agree with Kaptainkrunchie. The story reads to me as factual and unbiased. The Russian manages quite well to dig his own grave and as for Nadia's bar they havn't a clue as to what damage it will do to there business.
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We know, and the Russian does, that the pool does not meet any of the EEAM standards.
The public at large will feel that if it is up and running then it must be OK and must have authorities approval.
That is why, displaying the Russian as some kind of benevolent, animal loving buisness man can easily woo people into thinking he knows best and has the animals interest at heart.
Yes, to us in the know, the article will disgust us, because it has put a really good spin on the outpourings of this money orientated project in a totally biased way.
All good news items should surely incorporate fact not fiction and be a balance of opinion, with each argument being conteracted, in order for the public to really make up their minds.
Just recording a one sided, biased view, ie the investors opinions,
does not help anyone make a sound judgement.
Now we must hope that the Huriyet will devote as many columms to our view of the facts, if they truly are unbiased.
Please do write to the Hurriyet expressing your views.
I have just looked on tursiops.org and there the article is proudly displayed. Please join and add your comments.
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I have just dropped a line to the Editor.
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I have just dropped a line to the Editor.
Sir,
I have read with great interest and disappointment your article, dated 10th of May 2010, regarding the new Dolphinarium in Hisarönü.
On behalf of our Turkish hosts I find it insulting to allow Mr Kuznetsov to infer that they are unable to form their own opinions and that they have followed the lead of only a few
expats.
These are todays figures for the World Wide Opposition to Hisaronu Dolphinarium
Facebook groups
Yunus-Parklari-Kapatilsin - 5026 members
http://www.facebook.com/?sk=2361831622#!/pages/YUNUS-PARKLARI-KAPATILSIN/340170370958
Free the Ölüdeniz Dolphins - 4287 members
http://www.facebook.com/#!/group.php?gid=358308272654&ajaxpipe=1&__a=8
Internet Online Petitions
Online petition 3166 signatures
http://yasamhakkinasaygi.com/dilekce/dilekce_detay.asp?id=329&DURUM=2
A Voice for Captive Dolphins Petition 1334 signatures
https://acrobat.com/#il=1&d=WnHGOcDRcO99S529sWF5SA
Figures correct 10th May 2010
If you or your staff are able take the time to read these petitions you will find that the large majority of the signatures are from Turkish citizens and show the number of people who contribute to the "few".
I sincerely hope that , at the earliest opportunity, you will interview the organisers of this protest and allow them the opportunity to voice their opinion and to give you some well known basic scientific facts about European and International standards, living conditions, the suitability of the site chosen, disease transmission and water quality etc..
This is the 21st century I had hoped that the wildlife programmes, which abound in Turkey and around the world, would have shown that this is not the way a civilised society behaves towards these beautiful creatures.
Yours Faithfully
Paul Beal
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Posted my comment hours ago and it hasn't appeared yet !
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How rude! I must have been the first to send a comment at 8.30am this morning and it wasn't posted.
Some one out there must know someone with Nadias Bar email address... lots of Brownie points for that one ;)
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Found this on the Irish Bars abroad website. It is the contact details for Nadia-s Bar in Hisaronou. I have sent an e mail and so far it hasn't been returned.
Lets go folks - there is also a phone number.
phone number & email address removed (Scunner)
Love Brownie points
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They're so moronic they'd probably sell it to you for a price!
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Well done again Cheers! How many Brownie Points is that now.
It's gonna be Dinner on the Angels when you come over - your ability to source contacts has shown no bounds. :D ;) :D
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Thanks Dolphin Angels
I was a ferret in a previous life!!
Ha Ha
:D:D
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My post to the Hurriyet (which I sent about 10 mins ago) has gone on so it might be worthwhile trying to post again
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I posted about 11am today and my post also went more or less straight on, does seem strange it is now not accepting posts!
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Mine has gone on now - from 10.30 this morning so it looks like they are now showing all comments. Makes interesting reading - come on everyone join in and maybe next week will be an interview telling the true facts ! Also emailed Nadias to explain why I'll be boycotting there.
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My post from about 10.30 this morning does not appear at all but the one that I sent at 16.02 appeared straight away!
I can't believe only 38 comments have been posted on this article!!
Curious isn't it? Only 38 people have voiced their concern? Where are the rest of them?
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Sorry about posting the contact details for Nadia-s Keith wasn't thinking I should have checked first!!
For those people who don't know how to find the details just checkout this website, the details are very easy to find
http://www.irishabroad.com/pubs/List.asp?Ara=123
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Guest - Murat Kan
2010-05-10 21:44:34
Direct litigation to Calis Beach Forum All this stirred up by old english women with nothing better to do with their tired lives.
One of the comments on the newspaper thread - Keith you have a fan!
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Wonder if Mr Kan owns a bar in Hisaronou and was hoping to cash in?
Mr Kan, as you obviously read the CBF, us 'old English women' have morals. If we think something is wrong we'll say so and do something. There is more to life than money. Respecting all living creatures is in the Koran, I believe?
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It's a shame that Mr.Kan thinks so little of his own sex that he believes only women care about creatures being kept in inhumane conditions to entertain the public. Wake up and smell the emancipated coffee Mr. Khan we woman believe men are equal to us and have the same ethics when it comes to cruelty to animals. The only people with tired lives are those jumping on a cruelty bandwagon that will eventually tar them with the same brush as all the other greedy people who mistakenly think dolphins are "what the English tourists want" ;)
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quote:
Originally posted by peecee
Wonder if Mr Kan owns a bar in Hisaronou and was hoping to cash in?
Mr Kan, as you obviously read the CBF, us 'old English women' have morals. If we think something is wrong we'll say so and do something. There is more to life than money. Respecting all living creatures is in the Koran, I believe?
Especially the dolphin, I am sure I am correct in that the Dolphin featured in the Koran and it is termed as a special creature!
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quote:
Originally posted by Gorgeous_bird
Guest - Murat Kan
2010-05-10 21:44:34
Direct litigation to Calis Beach Forum All this stirred up by old english women with nothing better to do with their tired lives.
One of the comments on the newspaper thread - Keith you have a fan!
Hahaha classic stuff. My guess is that this Murat is probably some fat English tw4t in a football shirt called Graham or Barry or something. All words no balls as usual. Put your real name or shut up!
Direct litigation to Calis Beach Forum, the home of old English women. If you hear people discussing it in the Orient, direct litigation to Mehmet. How ridiculous :D
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We have found, as described in previous posts that the way forward has to include education. We have experienced, buisinesses, individuals and opponents to our campaign becoming persuaded that this pool is neither good for the dolphins or the tourist industry by just providing them with the facts.
Many are blissfully unaware of the safety issues, animal welfare isues, regulation issues or the global perception of the area should this pool go ahead.
If you feel the need to enlighten anyone, please remember this.
By persuasion and providing factual information we will surely win their support.
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God willing
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Well yesterday things certainly heated up after the latest instalment in the Hürriyet... which is great if it keeps this topic alive and in the minds of those that would prefer Dolphins to be free in the wild and not held captive in concrete pools up a mountain.
Our aim is to stop this project and this is being done by various means
- to inform and influence the key decision makers
- by raising awareness and promoting the facts about the reality of keeping Dolphins in captivity.
Rest assured this work is going on 24/7 - that's every single day!
The framework for our approach is the European Standards which are an absolute minimum requirement and this is relevant in this instance because ibrahim Dilek, personal assistant to Alexandr Kuznetsov, general manager of Dolphintherapy Kas said
"The pool is being built in accordance with European standards and will be large enough for two dolphins to live comfortably"
Quote source ibrahim Dilek Hürriyet 11Mar10
This is by no means an easy task as we know the authorities and some of the key decision makers have been involved from the outset.
"Owners of Kas Dolphinarium have rented land from the municipality," the mayor told the Hürriyet Daily News & Economic Review.
"Construction for the pool has commenced and will be completed for opening at the beginning of this summer season. I understand there will be two dolphins from the Mediterranean."
(Quote Ölüdeniz Mayor Keramettin Yilmaz 11Mar10)
This has been confirmed by Kuznetsov
"I am now working with officials in Ankara and Mugla to get this one [in Hisarönü] opened. Hisarönü needs something like this, or they only have bars and restaurants. I think the Ölüdeniz mayor may be fed up with all the fuss although we were originally invited by the municipality." (
Quote source - Alexsandr Kuznetsov Hürriyet 10 May10)
Just one note on how we conduct ourselves in this effort - we do and will confine ourselves to the facts.
Clearly passions and emotions are running high and some may feel justifiably so.
However the way to win is to rise above this detraction and focus our energies on what will make a difference and that is the work to influence key decision makers and by raising awareness and informing people of the facts.
If Murat Akbaba of Nadia's Bar wants to denigrate his own country men there is little we can do about that "the Turks around here have no mental control. They will hear some foreigner saying they don't want it and will agree with them. They don't really think about it for themselves."
(Quote source - Murat Akbaba Hürriyet 11May10)
What we can all do is to hold the moral and responsible high ground and
- arm ourselves with the facts about Dolphins in Captivity and there is reams of information here in these topics and on the Facebook groups
- talk to and share this information with the people we know and meet.
Many people have no idea of the consequences for Dolphins in Captivity or of the risks that they could be exposing themselves too by taking part in this type of activity.
We can and will win this together
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Taken from Facebook
Breaking news. Just on Fethiye TV, the pool is finished, water was being brought from the sea. Because of the negative reactions to this the Kaymakam is against the project, the dolphins are not in yet, but the pool looks full of sea water from the tv coverage. Lots of people are researching about this and the water... was stopped from coming. This was a repeat of the 7pm news. Unfortunately my husband only heard half the broadcast and thats all we could translate.
It appears that the Kaymakam stopped the water being transported and the trucks were turned back, but the film showed a pool that was nearly full. The report said that many people are against this project and that much research was being done about it (although...
See more we missed the bit about who was actually 'reasearching' ) - there also appeared to be some problem about the water being brought, which was why the trucks were turned away.
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http://www.savejapandolphins.org/dolphincaptivity.php
This very interesting site with links, found it from The Cove website, if you are interested in Dolphin welfare theres loads here to support the cause
Quotes from site
Click here to see a list (in no particular order) of captive dolphin facilities that were closed or never opened. These success stories were accomplished by ordinary people like yourself who actually showed up to protest these dolphin abusement parks.Dolphins have evolved over millions of years, adapting perfectly to life in the ocean. They are intelligent, social and self-aware, exhibiting evidence of a highly developed emotional sense. Here are just a few of the issues with captivity:
...Captures of dolphins are traumatic and stressful and can result in injury and death of dolphins. The number of dolphins that die during capture operations or shortly thereafter are never revealed in dolphinariums or swim-with-dolphins programs. Some facilities even claim their dolphins were "rescued" from the ocean and cannot be released. This claim is almost invariably false.
...Training of dolphins is often deliberately misrepresented by the captive dolphin industry to make it look as if dolphins perform because they like it. This isn't the case. They are performing because they have been deprived of food.
...Most captive dolphins are confined in minuscule tanks containing chemically treated artificial seawater. Dolphins in a tank are severely restricted in using their highly developed sonar, which is one of the most damaging aspects of captivity. It is much like forcing a person to live in a hall of mirrors for the rest of their life - their image always bouncing back with no clear direction in sight.
Join us and pledge that you won't go to a dolphin show or swim-with-dolphins programs
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Have contacted them Julesp hope everyone else does.
Great news Dolphin Angels!!:D:D
Maybe just maybe this is the beginning of the END of this 'Puddle'!!
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If anyone has actually seen the film The Cove There would be no way you could look at a captured Dolphin ever again, I am ashamed to say that in the 70s I watched and enjoyed a Dolphin show near my home at Knowsley Safari Park Liverpool , But we live and learn would never do again, Ive seen many wild Dolphins here anyway on 12 islands dayboat trips and its so exciting when they swim with the boats This is the only way Dolphins should be promoted as tourist attraction here, ok theyre not guaranteed but they do exist,
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News Update
There's definitely trouble at mill and this is straight from the horses mouth so to speak. After last night excitement of the Fethiye news report I thought I'd just pop down to the pool to see what if anything was happening and had a chat to Alexsandr while I was there.
I asked his what was going on and this is what was said.
He has been told that the pool isn't big enough for the two Dolphins 'according to the European Standards'.
I think we can take some credit for persevering with this angle (although water volume is not the only issue) and it was well worth the effort of getting the Standards translated and handing them over to the Kaymakam and emailing them to all and sundry in Mugla.
We do also know from a conversation I had yesterday with someone in Mugla that the Mugla Vali had them and they weren't just sitting in his a tray and he was well aware of the situation. I was also told that they all knew, even in Ankara what was going on and aware of the strength of feeling and overwhelming opposition to this project. Anyway, I digress.
He says that for one Dolphin 300 cubic metres is enough. He did point out that in Turkey there are no standards so I reminded him that Dilek his PA had said that the pool would conform to European Standards and that Turkey was hoping one day to join the European Union. We both had a had a little chuckle about the likely hood of this.
According to the European Standards the minimum requirement for 2 Dolphins is 1200 cubic metres. It is not calculated on surface area.
According to our figures and Alexsandr confirmed the pool measurements today
24m length, 12m width, 4m depth
* shelves for sitting on intrude into each end of the pool, these measure 2.5m each
24 x 12 x 4 = 1152 cubic metres
minus the 2 shelves at 2.5m each
That makes the actual cubic volume 19 x 12 x 4 = 912 cubic metres
He also said they said 'they' wanted him to come here and now they say they don't want him. You can hardly blame him for being confused. But it does mean that now we are approaching crunch time. Which way will it go is anyone's guess.
He said that the cost of keeping the Dolphins is huge and listed costs and that it was so expensive for tourists to travel to Kas. By coming here they would be able to come more easily and more cheaply. And I think he also said that the conditions here for the Dolphins would be better than in Kas.
I did say that many people who had been to swim with the Dolphins in Kas on trips had reported afterwards said they were very upset by the condition of the Dolphins and the environment in Kas and that British tourists did not want the Dolphins here.
I asked him if he had a contract and he said yes.
He waved his arm around the park to indicate all the work they were doing and said they will be putting up a veranda for shade for the Dolphins.
I asked him about the trouble with the water yesterday but as the pool is full maybe this is old news and why he was filling it with tap water after the first encounter we had with him when we saw the first container of what we were then told was sea water from Gemiler.
He asked me if I had a husband - I said yes I did ;)
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Hopefully the start of good news!!:D
In Dolphin Angels latest post........
"He (Alexsandr) said that the cost of keeping the Dolphins is huge and listed costs."
He also states in Jane's latest article in the Hurriyet that the dolphins working hours will be closely monitored at one hour and 20 minutes per day.
He couldn't possibly make any money on this venture if that was the case!!!
What a LIAR!!![:(!][:(!]
Keep up the good work everybody!!
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This pool we must remember does not meet ANY of the European standards in its present form.
Its size is too small, and the location is certainly not quiet!
There is no insulation to protect the animals from underground vibrations from the surrounding vibrations, and in spite of the russians statement that he will ask the surrounding nightclubs and funfairs to be quiet we all know this is an impossible task
He has no personnel with adequate qualifications, and no specialist vet in attendance
no isolation pool
and to date no shade
water quality is of grave concern, as is the monitering, filtering, chlorination, salination, microbial testing, analysis etc
the list goes on and on and......
This encounter today, shows that the authorities are now concerned about the pool not meeting the E E A M standards, which are there for both the public and dolphins protection.
Not conforming to just one of the standards will pose great risks, dolphins can and will act unpredictably when suffering stress, and the publics health and safety is of paramount importance.
Also surely now they have realised the negative impact this venture will have on tourism.
This is an area which we need to stress!
Tourists no longer enjoy seeing animals confined and used for profit, and at present Hisaronu is linked worldwide to the word cruelty. There are many, many better ways for the council to make money from this site for the benefit of all.
By putting a stop to the pools completion authorities will be able to proudly link their names with establishing Hisaronu as venue which regains its standing in the tourist market, and their names will also be proudly associated with saving the dolphins from incaceration.
Lets not stop at this cruical stage, much needs to be done still, please continue to write, email, telephone, tell your friends, tell your family, tell your local buisiness.It has only been with your unswerving support that we have reached thus far
Remember, the water is in, the garden looks pretty, the tourists are coming, and time is really running out.
Every letter from any corner of the globe will help.
In fact concerned people writing from abroad will prove this protest is of worldwide interest and certainly not local, which is very important!
For Antalya Vali contact antalya@icisleri.gov.tr
For Mugla Vali contact mugla@icisleri.gov.tr
many other contacts are on previous postings
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Well Done everyone-something is definately happening-its great that Kaymankan is also behind you it would seem.
That you tube video is terrible-that pool is way to small, I thought the same it is like a hotel swimming pool, actually I have seen way bigger. If it is open it is going to a grave for many dolphins I fear.
Fancy that Russian chappy saying he would ask them to keep that noise down-as if thats possible, what does he think we are stupid!
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Has anyone contacted richard o barry via facebook he would be a good chap to have on side.
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Yes Crystalgirl I left a message on there as well.
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I have as well ..
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I wrote an email to all those named in antalya (the valis) on Sunday. To date, no response from any of them. Have sent another email today.
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I contacted Ric O'Barry and Earth Island Institute, I have not heard back from them, but I am sure if Ric received the message, he will do what he can. I think in the end the greatest power comes from people like the Dolphin Angels, their endless efforts for these dolphins is very inspiring. Keep up the great work you're doing!! x
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Information Update
Today one of us went to the TV studios to find out about the news report last night.
The Dolphin owner had invited the TV company to film the pool being filled with sea water.
However under orders from the Kaymakam the Jandarma arrived and told him that he was not allowed to use sea water as its protected so the pool has been filled with tap water.
This brings a whole heap of problems in itself for example the need to add chlorine, salination, monitoring PH levels and the monitoring and testing processes.
It is quite interesting that ever since we showed the first water going into the pool (photo page 27) we have had consistent reports from different people that the pool has been filled with water from a hose!
A CALL TO ACTiON coming up in the next post...
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Sorry everybody but what a F*****G DISGRACE!!
The WATER is PROTECTED but the DOLPHINS aren't???
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Two new contacts you may wish to write to are,
Ayhan Dede.............. ayde@istanbul.edu.tr
Proff Bayram Ozturk ....ozturk@istanbul.edu.tr
These are very highly respected, and well known marine biologists, experts in their field. At the moment studying bottlenosed dolphins in the Bosphorus Straits, trying to protect them.
They might be able to add weight to our campaign,
So please inform them of the situation and ask if they can help.
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sorry not intending to bump - just moved content so it doesn't get overlooked by anyone who wants to take part in the last stand... :)
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Can everybody also take into account the security aspect overnight for the dolphins!!
What do you think will happen in the early hours of the morning when drunken louts decide they want to have a 'Swim with the Dolphins' trip FREE??
How much money is it going to cost for overnight security by the local gendarma?
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Jandarma don't do overnight security. Any business that wants security employs their own staff :)
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So are the security staff if there are any going to jump into the 'Puddle' to get the drunks out??
I DON'T THINK SO!!!
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OK crunch time is coming - and it appears the final decision may rest right back where we started with Oludeniz Mayor Keramettin Yilmaz.
Background
In the article Support fades for new Dolphinarium in Hisaronu (see link below) the Mayor said the final decision would come from the Ministry of Agriculture. Representatives from the ministry will inspect the completed site and issue an operating license to Dolphinarium Kas only if the centre meets their standards.
The problem with this is that Turkish system requires the Dolphins to be in the pool in order to complete the inspection. We are arguing this should not happen as the Dolphins who we were told by staff at the Kas centre will be covered in grease and packed in ice for the journey to transport them.
We believe that there is a high probability the Dolphins may not survive this journey and don't forget this will happen twice a year every year if the Dolphinarium gets the go ahead as the Dolphins will be returned to Kas to rest in winter.
Anyway, it was also said at the meeting that if the Ministry granted the operating licence then the council would then have to give the final go ahead and this was confirmed by the people at the TV Station today.
So the CALL TO ACTION is as follows
E-mail Mayor Keramettin Yilmaz at the following email addresses
(Keramettin does speak and read English)
baskan@oludeniz.bel.tr
Baskan is Mayor
hizmet@oludeniz.bel.tr
Hizmet is Customer Service
These are some suggestions of points you may wish to include and there are plenty of facts and issues covered some at length and in detail over the past pages of the this topic to draw on...
1.Negative impact on local tourism - world wide opposition to the Dolphinarium in its thousands including many saying they will not even come to Hisaronu and Oludeniz if it opens: ref Trip Advisor, Facebook Group membership, online petition
2.All the big tour operators are refusing to promote or sell tours to the Dolphinarium because it does not meet their Health and Safety Standards. Tour Operators include Thomas Cook, TUI, Holidays 4U, Thomsons, Jewel in the Crown
3.That the pool does not conform to the European Standards contrary to what was said by the management of the Kas Dolphinarium.
4.Concern over Public Health Issues and transmittable diseases - for more information see previous posts
In short, this dolphinarium is NOT wanted, the protests are worldwide..
Support fades for new Dolphinarium in Hisaronu link
http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/n.php?n=support-in-hisaronu-dolphinarium-shrinks-2010-03-25
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Here is the summary of where the pool fails to meet all the European Standards translated into Turkish.
If you would like to..
copy and past the text below into your email and send to the email addresses for the Oludeniz Belidiye in the above post.
ilgili kişiye,
Bu mektup, Hisarönü'nde kurulmasi öngörülen "dolphinarium", Yunus Akvaryumu'na ilişkindir.
Akvaryum'un sahibi olan Mr. Kuznetsov, izin alabilmek için şişeburun yunuslarin barindirilacagi havuzun Avrupa standartlarina uygun olacagini ifade etmiştir. Þu an inşa edilmekte olan havuz, bu standartlarin hiçbirini karşilamamaktadir.
Standartlarin bir kopyasi ektedir.
Mr. Kuznetsov, bu akvaryumun turistler için büyük bir ilgi kaynagi olacagini da söylemiştir ki, bu da kesinlikle dogru degildir. internet üzerinde sadece facebook'da bile 12000 üstünde protestocu mevcuttur ve bunlarin çogu potansiyel turistlerdir.
Aralarinda Thompson, Thomas Cook ve Tui'nin de oldugu önde gelen turizm firmalari, bunun yaninda birçok yerel acenta, standartlar uygun olmadigi için akvaryum biletlerini satmayi reddetmektedir. Tatil konusunda internetteki en önemli bilgi kaynaklarindan biri olan Trip Advisor, Hisarönü'nü hayvanlara zulüm ile ilişkilendirmiştir ki, bunun bölgedeki turist sayisini etkileyecegine kuşku yoktur. Akvaryumu protesto etmek için, Calis Beach sitesini ziyaret edenlerin sayisi 15000'i aşmiş durumdadir. Söz konusu akvaryum bölgenin itibarini sarsmakta ve dünya üzerinde algilanma biçimini zedelemektedir. Akvaryum sahibi, yunuslari çikar amaci güderek Hisarönü'ne getirmek istedigini açikça ifade etmiştir, ancak bu durum uzun vadede bölgeye çok pahaliya maloacaktir.
Havuz, standartlara uymak bir yana, iki yunus barindirmak için çok küçüktür. Þehrin en gürültülü merkezindedir, standartlarda belirtildigi biçimde yalitilmamiştir. Gürültü ve titreşim denetimleri, bir sualti akustik uzmani tarafindan yapilmamiştir. Çevredeki eglence merkezleri ve gece kulüplerinden gelecek titreşimler yunuslarda büyük strese sebep olacaktir. Grültüye karşi konulan standartlar çok açiktir. Oysa bu akvaryum, 24 saat aşiri gürültü yaşanan bir merkezin tam ortasindadir.Havuzu titreşim ve sesten koruyacak bir yalitim mevcut degildir. Kaş Dolphinarium sitesinde kendisinin de ifade ettigi gibi, havuz betonarmedir ve bu durum yunuslarin sonar sistemini olumsuz etkilemektedir. Stres yaşayan yunuslarin neler yapabilecegi öngörülemez, ki bir balinayi bile öldürebildikleri gerçektir. iki stresli yunusun küçük bir havuzda neler yapabilecegini ve ne gibi güvenlik sorunlari yaşanacagini kimse bilemez. Bu yunuslar sigortali degildir. Standartlarda belirtildigi gibi kalifiye eleman yoktur. Yine standartlarda yer alan, yunuslardan örnek alabilecek kapasitede eleman da yoktur. Bu işlemi egitimsiz yunus terbiyecileri yapacaklar ve veterinerlige soyunacaklardir.
Þartnamede biyolog ya da veteriner zorunlugu vardir. Burada ikisi de yoktur. Yunuslarin sagligi hergün kalifiye bir eleman tarafindan gözlemlenmek zorundadir. Burada o eleman da yoktur. Hayvanlarin yiyecegi de egitimli kişiler tarafindan verilmek zorundadir. Bu akvaryumda egitimli hiç kimse bulunmamaktadir. Başlangiçta havuzda deniz suyu kullanilacagi taahhüt edilmesine karşin, şu an klorlu musluk suyu kullanilmaktadir ki, bu durum muhtemelen yunuslarda körlüge yol açacaktir. Zaten suyun tuzluluk oranini ölçecek yetkili kimse de yoktur. Filtrasyon döngüsü 4 saat ya da daha az olmaliyken, burada 6 saattir. Acil durumlarda havuzun süratle boşaltilabilmesi zorunludur, oysa bu havuzda ne böyle bir donanim, ne de suyu boşaltacak yer vardir. Suyun safligini ölçecek, örnekler alip, analize göndercek eleman da yoktur. Zaten bu örnekler alinabilecek dahi olsa, nereye gönderilecekleri meçhuldür. Havuz yeterli derinlikte olmayip, suyun sicakligini düzenleyecek regülatör, ya da acil durum jeneratörü mevcut degildir. Havuz, standartlara uygun olmayan bir biçimde, parmakliklarin ardindan izlenecektir. Oysa yunuslarin halk ile iletişimi olmamasi gerekir ve Hisarönü ne yazik ki çok yogun bir turistik bölgedir. Tesiste, zorunlu kilinmiş olan egitim unsuru hiç bulunmamaktadir. Sahibi, havuzda kullanilan boyanin güvenli olup olmadigindan bile habersizdir. iddiaya göre havuz terapi amaçli kullanilacaktir ama nedense biletler halka açik satilmaktadir.
Yunuslarin ve halkin güvenligi açisindan suyun kalitesi hayati önem taşimaktadir. insanlardan yunuslara, yunuslardan da insanlara geçebilen pek çok hastalik vardir. Kaş'taki yunuslardan ikisi zattürreden ölmüştür çünkü tesiste veteriner kontrolu yoktur. Alanya'daki 4 yunus ise yaprak yedikleri için ölmüştür. Hisarönü havuzunun çevresi agaçlarla kaplidir. Hiçbir yunus, yetkili bir kişinin denetimi olmadan nakil edilemez. Yunus terbiyecisinin söyledigi "hayvanlari yaglayip, buza yatirarak taşiyacagiz" ifadesi ise kayitlarimizdadir. Kaş'tan Hisarönü'ne uzun bir yol vardir ve bu hayvanlara eşlik edecek bir veteriner bile mevcut degildir.
Hisarönü, bölgeye tek katkisi kötü bir ün olan bu tür bir "olay yeri"ni haketmemektedir. Bu bölge, hayvanlara şiddetten menfaat saglayan Türkiye imaji ile birlikte tarihe geçecektir.
Sizden ricamiz bu Yunus Akvaryumu'nu araştirmaniz, çünkü uygulanacagi iddia edilen EEAM standartlarinin hiçbirini karşilamiyor. Bölgedeki turistlerin çogu ingilizdir ve hayvanlarin yaşamak zorunda kaldiklari ortam onlari dehşete düşürecektir.
Açik kaldigi süre boyunca bu akvaryum tüm dünyada yargilanacak ve turizmin gelişmesinde çok ciddi bir engel oluşturacaktir.
Saygilarimizla,
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Well done Dolphin Angels!!
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Vasip Þahin will be the new Mugla Vali... imminent change.
and Dr Ahmet Altiparmak is going to be Antalya Vali - that's handy at least he'll be up to speed when he gets there.
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Sent email to Mayor at Olu
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If anybody signed the main Turkish petition at http://www.sessizkalmasucaortakolma.com/dilekce/dilekce_detay.asp?id=329
and did not put in an ID number apparently your vote has NOT been counted!!
Can you please sign again and in the ID box use the numbers 123456
Thanks
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Thanks Linda
Have now resigned
Lin
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we have signed the Petition - just hope it goes someway to stopping this barbaric treatment of such beautiful creatures.
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petition signed, email sent. Advised will not do any business with Nicholas shopping centre and all things to do with Nicholas homes if this proceeds.
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I heard Nicholas Shopping Centre was nothing to do with them any more it had been sold to a Consortium in Fethiye. Anyway the only people you would have hurt were those trying to make a living after paying the enormous rents there.
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I've being trying to sign the main Turkish petition but site seems to keep freezing and 'not responding'. any ideas?
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It does that regularly - try another time/day :)
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Yeah Peecee, there are a few problems with the website, comes up error on page etc. and gives a blank page but if you wait it will eventually register your vote and then will allow to scroll down and add allow you to add other names to it!
It's a bit of a pain, sometimes it works straight away, sometimes a couples of minutes wait. Everyone please persevere!!
Only found out yesterday that if you hadn't put and ID nbr in it didn't register!
THE DOLPHINS NEED THESE VOTES!!
TIME IS RUNNING OUT!!
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Couple of bits of news
Subsidence and Where Has All the Water Gone [?]
1. We took a stroll to the pool again tonight and now it is only half full of water. It was full to the brim on my last visit a couple of days ago. Very odd.
Also on two sides of and right next to the pools edge there is serious subsidence. Not your normal wavy up and down paving that we are all used to; the paving drops down and away quite substantially exposing the outside wall of the pool and some pipe work.
National News Coverage
2. Kamilkoç (bus) magazine available throughout Turkey May edition has an article on page 28. It has a special mention for our Dolphinarium that will be the twelth in Turkey if it opens.
It refers to a feature article in another Turkish magazine Outdoor Oracle.
This article calls for people to register their protest against the Hisaronu Dolphinarium.
I found it online here - use your translate option to read in English
http://www.outdoororacle.com/yok-olanlar/yok-olanlar/tutsak-yunus-istemiyoruz-onlar-ozgur-olmali.html
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Add your name to the online petition via this article
At the bottom of the article you can click an arrow and complete your details to be added to the online petition (the proper Turkish one). Maybe an easier option to try.
Here is the link again
http://www.outdoororacle.com/yok-olanlar/yok-olanlar/tutsak-yunus-istemiyoruz-onlar-ozgur-olmali.html
The petition will be sent to the following
Ölüdeniz Mayor Yilmaz Keramettin
Mugla Culture and Tourism Directorate
Mugla Governor
T.C Ministry of Environment and Forests
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I am totally against this venture going ahead 100% but dont think it is really fair to boycott Nicholas Homes over this, innocent people who are employed by Nicholas would stand to lose their jobs over this situation which has not been of their making.
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I suppose that would depend on if they are also promoting this barbaric attraction.
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I don't think anyone is promoting this any more.
Tribal Elder is right the Shopping cetre was sold some time ago.
It is fairly clear from all accounts that the Mayor would like to see the back of this as much as we would! Its just not so easy to get out of it as it was to get into it.
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Unfortunately in situations like this it is always the people who are trying to support a family who suffer!! For the ordinary people who worked on this site whether they agreed with what the job was or not it was a means to an end! They were only trying to support their family!
I have been guilty in the past of 'Going off topic' on this so would like to say .............
keep focusing on the object .........
STOP THIS DOLPHINARIUM FROM OPENING!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Sorry Nichola you replied before me.
So what was in the contract that he can't get out of? He said he only leased the land (Which was public land) and didn't know what it was to be used for! Could it be that there is something in the lease that says it will be used as a Dolphinarium? and that is why the Russian is just sitting back? Could he be threatening legal action against the Mayor and local Government?
Just a thought!!
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Re: my previous post regarding signing the main Turkish online petition - I found that if I opened another window and did it from the new window there was no delay. Just copied and pasted the address.
Interesting about the water?
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I contacted Earth Island Institute a while ago to ask for their help/Ric O'Barry's help. I just heard back from them, this is their message:
HI , I forwarded your information to WDCS who is to contact you.Ric Obarry
is on travel the next several weeks. If you find that we could get some
good press and activity in Turkey let us know.
Thanks Mark
I would like to ask the Dolphin Angels if this is helpful? I am not sure if it is possible to get some press and activity in Turkey as I am so far away. But if you feel that you can do somthing with this, let me know and I will let Earth Island Institute know.
You can email me at: krieny@casema.nl
I wish there was more that I could do...
Carina x
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Hi Carina
everything anyone does it helpful except we have found that beyond writing the odd email the overseas NGOs have felt this to be the extent of the involvement they can give. WDCS is very aware of the situation and they have been the most helpful organisation.
We are at the stage now where the next move will be for the owner to try to move the Dolphins.
All I can say at this time is that he does not have the necessary permission to move the Dolphins and he would be ill advised to
try...
Thanks for your help
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The water level is now at the level of the shelf, about 1.5 m below the proposed level. Looks like a leak or something has occurred that needed a fix, several patches were plastered up and re-painted yesterday.
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If the 'Puddle' doesn't meet EU standards - it is only 912 cubic metres, the positioning of it would be horrendous for the dolphins, lack of natural water, environmental issues, no back up generator installed for when the electricity goes down which will cause bacteria to form, heat the 'Puddle' up which will be a danger healthwise for humans, and dolphins! The lack of proper testing of the water, lack of an on-site vet, conditions will cause DISTRESS not only to the dolphins but anyone visiting the site et etc...
The list is ENDLESS as to why this dolphinarium mustn't be allowed to open!!
The 'Puddle' obviously is now leaking!
The Min of Ag say they cannot grant a licence to open until the dolphins are in-situ, that means they will be transported from Kas by road, after being greased and packed in some ice!! How long would it take for ice to melt at this time of year? Anybody know how long the journey would be for them?
Doesn't someone have to issue a licence for their transportation if so and you know who it would be can you please post on here!
What is the Min of Ag going to say if the dolphins die in transportation or when they are in-situ for their inspection and the 'Puddle' leaks to the extent that the poor things are starved of oxygen, the power fails .........
HOW WOULD THIS VENTURE GIVE CREDABILITY TO OLU DENIZ BEING A NATURE RESERVE?
I ALSO ASK AGAIN WHY IS THE SEA WATER IN THE AREA PROTECTED, THE TURTLES ARE PROTECTED, FLORA AND FAUNA ARE PROTECTED WHY AREN'T THE DOLPHINS?
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maybe it is time to take this up with the minister of agrucultre as it is he who will grant the final licence as to what actually goes into the "puddle". Keramittin Yilmaz only gave the licence for a swimming pool in Hisaronu not the licence for dolphins to be put in to it, I have that on good authority dont forget I am 100% against his venture going ahead but feel we need to be fair to people.
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Ongoing communications with the Ministry of Agriculture are taking place.
If you check the Hurriyet articles you will see that the Mayor was well aware that a Dolphinarium was planned and he thought it would be a good for tourism.
We do not advocate anyone attacking the Mayor or anyone else about the decision rather that people confine themselves to the facts and raising their objections in a respectful manner.
We are sure that the decisions made were made in good faith at the time but now as a result of a heightened awareness of the relevant issues and the potential risks to the Dolphins, the general public and the non conformance to the European Standards that some people wish they had acted differently and no doubt had been better informed.
The Mayor and the local council may well have a say in whether or not the pool is opened (if a license is granted) as a Dolphinarium and that is why it is important to keep the pressure on at all levels.
It certainly has to be signed off by the Head of the local Tourist Information although this is usually a formality.
Many people have come on board in opposition to this venture because of the work that has been carried out at a local level supported by members here and on Facebook by letting their views be known to key decision makers.
This project is being done here in Hisaronu for tourists and we say Not in our Name - thanks all the same.
Anyone coming to this forum new via Facebook or elsewhere please read the posts from page 35 onwards as this lists most developments and outlines the campaign approach.
Thanks
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This is where bureaucracy comes into its BEST Karennina!
Keramettin Yilmaz who signed away a childrens playground in favour of this project is now trying as far as he can to distance himself from it!
He said the final decision would be made by the Min of Ag.
The Min of Ag (names of whom and contact details you will find on earlier posts) did inspect the site and said that they could not grant a licence as the dolphins needed to actually be in place before this could be done. That means the dolphins have to be taken from Kas by road! There is a big question as to whether the dolphins would survive the journey once, let alone as anticipated by the Russian they would have to make it twice a year so that they could REST!!
Someone has to grant a licence to move the dolphins, to approve the SAFE transfer of them their conditions during transit, journey time, vets in attendance etc etc.
The Min of Ag have now come back and said the decision on whether is 'Puddle' is allowed to OPEN is nothing to do with them!! They only grant a licence!! The FINAL DECISION will be made by
............Keramettin Yilmaz!
That is a FAIR comment!!
but
WHO IS BEING FAIR TO THE DOLPHINS??
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Please remember that we report as much information as we can as we receive it and that sometimes we appear to go full circle and sometimes new information come to light and that can appear to or can actually change everything.
The decision making processes are as clear as mud but all levels of govt have been targetted and those in authority are very aware of the uproar and world wide opposition.
Our approach is to leave no stone unturned and tell it as we find it. This may be confusing sometimes but for us too.
Everyone is doing the best that they can and making the contributions they feel most comfortable taking.
The end is most certainly in sight - the season has started and the pool is by no means ready.
It will be a brave person that grants the go ahead for this and an even braver one who pulls the plug. A contract has been signed and the Dolphin owner was invited to open in Hisaronu.
There will be repercussions either way whatever the decision
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The brave are always remembered along with all our forefathers who fought for the rights of others!
All that matters here is that everything people have done will SAVE the Dolphins from living a dying DEATH!!
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As per DaveWalsh's post, IF the pool was leaking, they've patched it up with either concrete or silicon(they love silicon!) and then painted straight away then surely the water will not allow the patches to 'set' properly? which means it would still leak albeit slowly?. Perhaps someone up there should keep an eye on that?
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Who's the best person to contact at this time? At the moment I'm focusing on the Mayor Keramettin Yilmaz. Is there anyone else we need to be contacting? Just to let you know, I'm getting lots of support from the A VOICE FOR CAPTIVE DOLPHINS facebook group. Many people are adding their names and messages so I can send them on the the decision makers. Let me know who else to contact at this critical stage! Thanks!! Carina x
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Sorry did not know about the previous plans for the children's play park would have been a far better idea.
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Great work fighting this proposal.
From my experience (Uzumlu Cement Factory Fight) then there is one thing Turkish officials cannot and will not do, and that is to admit they are wrong and publicly say so.
It is a case of being seen to loose face and we were forced to take matters to court to get it stopped.
In your case hopefully it will be ministers who will make the decision to stop the pool ever opening but I'll bet it will never come from Keramettin Yilmaz on a local level.
Keep up the fight and well done to all of you working so tirelessly to stop it and help the dolphins.
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This is my own personal point of view!!
The main aim of this is to save the two 'fellas' from the transportation from Kas to Hisaronou twice a year! Being 'holed' up in a prison measuring 12m x 24m and with 912 cm water capacity. Being surrounded by constant noise from the bars, restauurants, fairgrounds etc,. I will not go on as you have read it all before!!
The final decision is supposed to rest with Keramettin Yilmaz!
The Russian has a contract signed by Keramettin Yilmaz for this 'Puddle'! I am sure that if he tried to cancel this now the local Government would be sued to 'The high heaven' by the Russian! The Russian must be 'Sitting back laughing!!'
That is why the Min of Ag must thoroughly look into the way the fellas would be transported! Just being covered by some grease and ice would mean that these fellas could DIE on the way. Their are strict rules regarding transportation of animals and I quote ........
ANIMAL PROTECTION BILL LAW no. 5199 (TURKEY)
This is Turkish LAW
I'm sure that nobody needs anyone to 'lose face' or publicly admit they were wrong as Firo has said which is why a 'GET Out of Jail Free Card' must rest with The Min of Ag and the governors in Antalya!
Please keep up the pressure!!
Time is running out!!
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This is the email address of the Mugla Tourist Office. Their job is to answer and respond to any concerns about tourism in the Mugla area.
Contact name Arzu
alo.179@hotmail.com
They have been very helpful in the past and ensured that our concerns have been passed on to the relevant people and also made extensive enquiries on our behalf.
You can send them an email outling any concerns or particular issues you may have and ask them to pass on to either the Mugla Vali or the Ministry of Agriculture.
Attach links to any relevant web sites to support your particular concerns or to highlight the overwhelming opposition to the Dolphinarium for example a Voice for Captive Dolphins, the Outdoor Oracle article and the on-line petition.
The Facebook group Free the Olu Dolphins does have some wrong information on the page and also one of the members on there (linked to the wrong info) has p0rn on his profile page so maybe think twice before using this FB group link.
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World Wide Opposition to Hisaronu Dolphinarium
Facebook groups
Yunus-Parklari-Kapatilsin - 5624 members
http://www.facebook.com/?sk=2361831622#!/pages/YUNUS-PARKLARI-KAPATILSIN/340170370958
Free the Ölüdeniz Dolphins - 4603 members
http://www.facebook.com/#!/group.php?gid=358308272654&ajaxpipe=1&__a=8
Internet Online Petitions
Online petition 3429 signatures
http://yasamhakkinasaygi.com/dilekce/dilekce_detay.asp?id=329&DURUM=2
A Voice for Captive Dolphins Petition 1334 signatures
https://acrobat.com/#il=1&d=WnHGOcDRcO99S529sWF5SA
Figures correct 16th May 2010
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Tour Operator Cancels Trips to Captive Dolphin Attractions (added)
18th Nov2009
http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/n.php?n=tour-operator-cancels-trips-to-captive-dolphin-attractions-2009-11-18Dolphin deaths in
Dolphin Deaths in Turkey raise doubts about animals' living conditions
18th February 2010
http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/n.php?n=-2010-02-18
Ölüdeniz to Get Its First Dolphinarium
11th March 2010
http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/n.php?n=-2010-03-11
Dolphinarium Plans Create Major Protest
18th March 2010
http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/n.php?n=-2010-03-18
Support Fades for New Dolphinarium in Hisarönü
25th March 2010
http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/n.php?n=support-in-hisaronu-dolphinarium-shrinks-2010-03-25
Owner Defend Hisarönü Dolphinarium Construction
9th May2010
http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/n.php?n=owner-defends-hisaronu-dolphinarium-construction-2010-05-09
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Are there any discreet nosey neighbours, and discreet curtain twitchers in KAS.
We would love to hear from you regarding the view from your window, and if any of your neighbours move house soon,
Please join the forum, and post your news as soon as possible
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Love it Dolphin Angels!
Don't forget any sign of activity to move the dolphins!!
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Same applies to Gemiler.... [?]
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These are the latest government contacts that I have, does anyone have anymore that need to be added?
antalya@icisleri.gov.tr
mugla@icisleri.gov.tr
ayde@istanbul.edu.tr
ozturk@istanbul.edu.tr
ayde@istanbul.edu.tr
turmepa@ku.edu.tr
tarimbasin@tarim.gov.tr
mugla.fethiye@tarimnet.gov.tr
tazyilmaz@gmail.com - which is Keramettin Yilmaz personal e mail
bilgiedinme@tarim.gov.tr
Can anybody add any other website/e mail address to contact?
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According to the latest copy of the Aegean Times, picked up in Calis this weekend, (or similar) Keramettin Yilmaz has apparently been awarded 'Aegean Mayor of the Year' award in 2010.
Now I spend a lot of time in Hisaronu, and I pay my council tax on time every year and keep my head down so I couldn't possibly comment on the selection criteria for this award.
perhaps a separate thread?
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Popped along to the pool again this afternoon and there was no sign of activity.
The paved area which has sunk rather dramatically alongside the edge of the pool remains untouched.
There was quite a lot of water on the surrounding roads - maybe there is a leak :o
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Any further news regarding the final inspection?
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No new news.
Technically the Dolphins need to be in the pool for the inspection. We are arguing they should not be moved as they may not survive the journey.
We have been given to believe that permission will not be given for the Dolphins to be moved.
Bit of a catch 22
Additionaly the pool itself does not appear to be in good shape... what's going to happen and when is anyones guess.
The state of the pool is being closely monitored by us and there are ongoing talks with the Ministry.
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thanks
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Dolphin angels, I would like to send you an email but no address. Would you mind emailing me so I can respond?
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Any pics of the subsidence??
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Always happy to oblige Heather
Since our visit 14th May nothing has changed - the subsidence remains as seen here and the pool is still half full of water.
side 1
(http://img52.imageshack.us/img52/1589/10188407.jpg)
(http://img405.imageshack.us/img405/7613/69941187.jpg)
side 2
(http://img96.imageshack.us/img96/3857/61673721.jpg)
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Thanks for the pics Dolphin Angels![:(!]
If it wasn't so serious I would think it was a JOKE!
Maybe one of the Engineers, builders who are reading this could comment on the subsidence issue?
Never mind the subsidence issue what about Pic 2?
No gate, fences propped up, pool has obviously leaked as it is now at 'Shelf' level! How could the dolphins safety be secured?
Pic 1 does give a precise photo of how small this 'Puddle' is!
How on earth any Government department could grant the opening of this monstrosity is beyond me, let alone the transportation of the dolphins!
In the pictures that I have seen so far I have not seen any for Facilities. Are there to be any toilets, changing rooms etc. on site or is that where 'Nadia-s bar' comes in?
Also where would the building be that housed all the paraphenalia needed to keep the testing equipment, water treatments, chemicals etc. required to keep the water up to standard, ph levels, cleanliness etc. etc
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Oh my God! They are never seriously going to open it? The video was bad enough, the leak was disgusting, but this is appalling and shameful! What are the going to do when the pool collapses completely, all the water runs out of the pool and the dolphins are left in 6 inches of water? Every time I read about this abomination it gets worse and worse. It leaves me speechless!
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Thank you, it does my heart good to see it falling apart round their ears.
Almost jinxed: :)
I can't believe that their is no fencing around a filled pool.
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oh dear, shame!
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God this whole situation has become a joke only I am not laughing nor I suspect are a few others, firstly I am duped into believing Mayor Yilmaz has not had much to do with this whole fisasco and now from what I have read he has, secondly if this project goes ahead I will not be able to live with myself if two dolphins are made to live and perfom in that piece of s**t they are calling a pool, today's photos of the subsidence look absolutly terrible,and thirdly how can the authorties in Turkey be on about fining / imprisoning people for doing pick up's for family members etc at Dalaman airport when all this is going on before their eyes, makes me want to sell up and see life in another country maybe, my love for Turkey and it's people is now dwindling very rapidly!
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as with most on this forum i believe this venture should never even have been thought of, let alone construction begun. But i believe it has shown how by working together so much can be acheived well done and good luck to you all. Karennia, many many turkish people are as appalled by this idea as expats, which for me has given me hope for animal rights in the future. However the motives of certain government officials leave a lot to be desired, and maybe voting with your feet to another local authority area of turkey will bring home this point. good luck all
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quote:
Originally posted by heather07
Thank you, it does my heart good to see it falling apart round their ears.
Almost jinxed: :)..............................
Universal Law of Karma !!!
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Those images are shocking... it's even smaller than I imagined... Completely unacceptable! Who in their right mind would keep any animal in there...
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The Russian!!
: :) :o: :)
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i'm off to ovacik next week, which tour operators can i use/ not use?
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Any that don't advertise 'Swimming with Dolphins' PLEASE!!
Just to be on the safe side maybe ask the question whether or not they can they arrange it? If they say 'YES' please WALK AWAY!!
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It might be easier to say who has said won't sell tickets to the Dolphinarium
Confirmed local travel agents who have said they will not sell tickets for this Dolphinarium so far are:
1. Cadianda
2. Carole & Tayfun
3. Activities Unlimited
4. Hamish McTurk has since confirmed (after initially saying he would be) that he does not intend to sell tickets.
Many of the local tour operators have yet to reply to the many emails sent to them about this - so you will need to draw your own conclusions about them
Most of the big tour operators are refusing to have anything to do with this at all.
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Took another trip to pool tonight. No activity at all (thats about a week now) and the subsidence looks to be getting a little worse....
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Whoopeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee: :)
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Is there any sign of the 'Russian'?
Just a question which has always been at the back of my mind?
Are there any facilities at the 'Puddle'? Are there any toilet facilities? Anywhere that people can get changed? Anywhere that people can actually sit while they are there? (Misguided that they may be)? If not how can a licence be given? Surely under Turkish law, facilities on 'Site' are a MUST! for any trip like this? Is that where Nadia-s comes into the equation? Would you have to buy a drink to 'Spend a penny'?
I am sure people in the locality can comment on whether these facilities could ever exist?.
We have been coming to Turkey for over 20 years, gone on numerous trips but have never encountered anything like these conditions not only for the dolphins but for humans as well!
We have all seen the pictures! All read the newspapers! All read the postings on numerous websites!
Looking back 'Was this ever feasable?'[?] or 'Could it ever be feasable?' Personally I don't think so!
Have looked at the other sites who offer trips for swimming with dolphins in Turkey and there is nothing as disgraceful as this!
I just hope that the people, Turks or ex-pats who live in the area do not have to pay the 'Price'!
The Russian has a contract!
My own personal point of view is that with the bad press these ventures are now receiving, no International tour company will promote it as one of their trips etc these places are on their way out!!
It does sound good the way it is promoted by local tour operators (They also need to make a crust!) which is why these places still exist!
There is more to this than meets the eye for me!
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There are toilets and a couple of other out buildings.
There is no sign at all that any work to the site has been done in the past week.
It is however easy enough to knock up a couple of structures that could be used for whatever is needed.
Whether they would meet the standards required for food preparation, medical attention for the Dolphins - there is no separate pool for this at the present although a wave of the arm indicated something would be built over there somewhere when we asked...
In the meantime we wait to see what happens next.
Rest assured though NO Dolphins are coming while the pool and its surrounds look like they do.
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Pool visited this evening.
There is work being done on the toilet block with new ones being installed in the newly decorated original building.
The subsidence seems to be worsening around the perimeter in two places, with any luck the whole thing will dissapear down its own black hole!!
Rumours have it that he is going to continue buisiness in Kas for the intermediate time.
This means that tickets for Kas will be back on sale to the tourists. The only good thing about the disgraceful dolphinarium in Kas, is that it is the sea!
However, because work on the toilet block is taking place, we must assume that the Russian is living in hope of opening the Hisaronu pool!
Therefore, we have to continue to find which travel agents will, or will not be supporting this buisiness.
No tickets equals no dolphinarium!
Perhaps those of you, out there, who have have been saddened by the conditions at Kas, may feel now is the time to voice their complaints to the authorities about their experience.
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Obviously previous other comments on this and other sites are being monitored constantly by the Russian and his entourage!
I wonder how much money he will spend to achieve his aim of opening this disgrace of a 'Therapy pool'?
Could it be that every shortfall we point out and he fixes will bring him nearer to achieving his aim?
I sincerely hope that the subsidence continues and he goes down with it!
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Please can anyone and everyone ask at all the local agents if they can swim with Dolphins. Please report this info back here.
What we need to know is
1. the name of the agent - yes or no
2. if yes, where ... as in Kas or Hisaronu
3. if Hisaronu when!
We need to have a couple of old favourite independantly confirmed before we can name and shame.
Just got back from the pool and the subsidence is extending all the way along the one long side and has got worse on the other.
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Apparently there are no local agents in Kas who sell tickets for the 'Puddle' there.
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Confirmed
Pioneer and Carole & Tayfun not selling any tickets or organising transfers to any Dolphinarium.
Bloody Gorgeous is selling tickets to Kas now and Hisaronu when the Dolphins get here!
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Right of Reply
Hurriyet prints letter from Cathy Williamson WDCS UK as a formal response to the previous article in the Dolphinarium series...
http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/n.php?n=letter-to-the-editor-2010-05-21
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Sent 2 comments but no comments are being shown at the moment due to .............
Thank you for commenting.
Your comment will be published as soon as it is moderated for compliance with our comments policy.
Presume we will have the same problem as the last article - some comments were published and some not. One of my comments was not published and it was exactly the same as a later one which was????
Excellent article by the way!!
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quote:
Originally posted by Dolphin Angels
Confirmed
Bloody Gorgeous is selling tickets to Kas now and Hisaronu when the Dolphins get here!
I will go see him tomorrow and see if he will sell me any tickets to the Hisaranou Dolphinareum..wont buy one of course, will let you know how i get on.
If you go to Trip Adviser site,...
http://www.tripadvisor.com/ShowTopic-g312737-i9292-k1283564-Travel_and_tourism_agency_bloody_gorgeous-Oludeniz_Mugla_Province_Turkish_Aegean_Coast.html
you will see many comments about the way he runs his buisness....not good by all accounts.
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Thanks for the link Brian. From what I've seen on tripadvisor website this guy doesn't have any morals and is just the sort of agent who will sell tickets for this sort of thing. On another topic I find it very funny that tripadvisor close a tread if there are no posts for 6 months. Obviously in the winter months there will not be many posts on threads about summer resorts.
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we have just had our News letter from Nicholas. They Catagorically stste that they have no involvment with the Dolphinarium. Will cut and paste the email as went to hubbys account
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Cathys article will also be printed in the Land of Lights this coming week. Hopefully this will increase greater awareness as there still seem to be many people that don't know this is happening.
We have 3 comments printed on the Hurriyet so far would be good to see some more as they need support and motivating to continue coverage on this issue.
We have had permission from Cathy to have it translated into Turkish for wider publication and circulation.
We are also working on aspects of the animal rights law which we will also have translated and use to target the relevant Ministies. More on this to come...
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Confirmed local travel agents who have said they will not sell tickets for this OR the Kas Dolphinarium so far are:
1. Cadianda
2. Carole & Tayfun
3. Activities Unlimited
4. Pioneer
Cheers have you got that list of local tour operator email addresses you can post below. You can include any who previously said they weren't but now that Kas is apparently opening again... well you can guess the rest!!!
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quote:
Originally posted by cheers
Here are a few e mail addresses that I have found so far:
focustourism@hotmail.com
focusparagliding@hotmail.com
info@fethiyeholiday.com
Some you can leave an e mail directly through their website.
One only had a link to Tursab so here are theirs:
foreignrelations@tursab.org.tr
foreignaffairs@tursab.org.tr
tursab@tursab.org.tr
Only one I couldn't find was Bloody Gorgeous Olu Deniz, so if anyone can find that it would help but due to all the bad press on Trip Advisor and Holiday Watchdog no'ne in their right minds would book a trip with him!
Happy to do anything I can for this cause!
Everyone keep going PLEASE!!
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quote:
Originally posted by Haggis2010
Thanks for the link Brian. From what I've seen on tripadvisor website this guy doesn't have any morals and is just the sort of agent who will sell tickets for this sort of thing. On another topic I find it very funny that tripadvisor close a tread if there are no posts for 6 months. Obviously in the winter months there will not be many posts on threads about summer resorts.
Welcome Haggis2010!
It doesn't matter which forum you go on for Olu Deniz you will always find reports about this disg***e to mankind! As reported he will rip off anyone he can!
Don't worry whether threads are closed by forums for whatever reason, you will always find they pop up again!
This is why CBF is one of the BEST! Unless a topic has been locked which is very, very rare you can pick up and post on a topic that can be years old! You will always find people to help with up-to-date information especialy on this thread which is dear to everyones hearts.
:D
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Seaside Tours - Swim with Dolphins
http://www.seasidetours.net/details.php?ID=21
info@seasidetours.net
TEL 0090 252 622 12 96
TEL 0090 252 622 08 40
FAX 0090 252 622 12 97
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Other local tour operators to contact to find out if they are selling tours to Swim with Dolphins in Kas or Hisaronu
Light Tours
http://www.lighttours.com/excurcions.asp
Email lighttours@lighttours.com
Focus Tours
http://www.focusparagliding.com/
E mail focustourism@hotmail.com
Full list of branch offices with phone numbers Oludeniz/Çalis/Hisaronu
http://www.focusparagliding.com/contact.html
Karaçay Turizm Travel
http://karacayturizm.com/tours.htm
Email info@karacayturizm.com
Hamish McTurk - thought they were off the list - so did we!
http://www.hamishmcturk.com/transfer_dalaman_oludeniz_fethiye_travel.html
Full contact details
http://www.hamishmcturk.com/contactus_oludeniz_fethiye_travel.html
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What can anyone say about Hamish McTurk?
Obviously he has gone back on everything he said, posted on various websites etc. He has removed every posting on Facebook denying that he will have anything to do with the selling of any tickets!
Fortunately due to the power of e mail he cannot remove what he has e mailed! This is not the last e mail that I received from him but makes good reading!
On Tue, 4/5/10, HAMISH <hamish@hamishmcturk.com> wrote:
From: HAMISH <hamish@hamishmcturk.com>
Subject: Dolphinarium
Date: Tuesday, 4 May, 2010, 21:33
Hi Linda ,
While i was in Holland my brother has spoken with them but i havent sign any contract. Dolphinarium shouldn't be open in Hisaronu. We only spoke them to the hotel transfers. I dont know how i can be more clear. !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I am not selling agency for them . I didnt sign any contract with them.
Another joke it seems!
Lets see what he has to say in the next few days?
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quote:
Originally posted by Dolphin Angels
Right of Reply
Hurriyet prints letter from Cathy Williamson WDCS UK as a formal response to the previous article in the Dolphinarium series...
http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/n.php?n=letter-to-the-editor-2010-05-21
Not many comments have been published by the Hurriyet! Has anybody not had their reply published?
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I went to see Bloody Gourges today and enquired about tickets to "swim with dolphins"...he told me " you cant swim with dolphins, the goverment wont give them a license, I cant help you"
I did go to IKARUS travel agency and they were advertising swim with dolphins at KAS..the front man Emre told me " but not at the moment...the dolphins are having babys, maybe in 15 days time you can swim"
I then went to SEASIDE tourism and travel agency they were advertising swim with dolphins again this was in KAS...sundays and wednesdays £75 pick up and drop off at your hotel.
Then it was on to ACTIVITIES UNLIMETED....again advertising swim with dolphins, again it was KAS...sundays and wednesday £25 PLUS the swim with the dolphins another £55...again pick up and drop off service from your hotel. Tha lady at this place was a very nice English lady who gave me the infomation.!!
I do have to say that ALL the above DID NOT mention the pool at Hisaronu....the ones that were promoting swim with dolphins were all promoting the Kas centre.
Dolphin Angels i have the advertising leaflets if you want them,if you want them you can message me and we can arrange to meet at the Hisaronu pool.
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Very concerned - heard today that the pool was filled last night (as in middle of) with 2 tanks of sea water. No TV cameras invited this time! Hence no Jandarma to turn them away.
Now the pool must be leaking all those cracks and subsidence and very wet surrounding roads. So what is going on?
There could be moves to bring the Dolphins in next week or two (maybe undercover of darkness) so time is running out. One way or another we need to get the decision makers to make a decision.
No licence to move the Dolphins
No licence for the pool.
No Dolphinarium in Hisaronu.
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Have e mailed you Brian
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Are the 'officials' aware there is subsidence/water leakage?
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I have been asked by a friend of mine to point out that Seaside Tours have two offices in Hisaronu which act separately as agencies for the tour company.
His office operating as Seaside Tours/ Eren Rent a Car at the bottom end of Hisaronu (near the Kaya Bus Stop)does not sell Dolphin trips, nor does it intend to.
Although the Seaside tours Official Brochure includes dolphin trips to Cash they have never promoted this trip.
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Mikrik...the Seaside tourisn and travel agency office in Oludinez IS promotimg the swim with dolphins in Kas...i got a price of them today..sundays and wednesday`s they do the trips to Kas.
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Good work Brian
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quote:
Originally posted by cheers
These are the latest government contacts that I have, does anyone have anymore that need to be added?
antalya@icisleri.gov.tr
mugla@icisleri.gov.tr
ayde@istanbul.edu.tr
ozturk@istanbul.edu.tr
ayde@istanbul.edu.tr
turmepa@ku.edu.tr
tarimbasin@tarim.gov.tr
mugla.fethiye@tarimnet.gov.tr
tazyilmaz@gmail.com - which is Keramettin Yilmaz personal e mail
bilgiedinme@tarim.gov.tr
Can anybody add any other website/e mail address to contact?
Can we all do another round of e-mails informing them of the latest conditions for the 'Puddle'!
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Excellent work Brian!!
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Just got back from pool.
Work has started on the subsidence which looks a LOT worse today than yesterday.
The pool is nearly full but for how long what with all the leaks...
There is now Security... a lad in a vest t-shirt with a mobile phone!
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Maybe the subsidence issue being addressed now means there is to be a new inspection of the 'Puddle' soon!
With regard to the leak how on earth could the correct temperature, chemical balance, contamination etc. of the water be monitored if it has to be continually filled up?
If anything does happen security wise at the 'Puddle' do you think the Russian or the local gendarme will rush around there and what could a lad in a vest t-shirt with a mobile phone actually do to stop drunken people going for a dip!
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I was referring to the seaside tours office in Hisaronu not Oludeniz. 'Seaside Tours/Eren Rent a car opposite the Kaya bus stop underneath Dominoes restaurant.I spoke to Sarah Polat (English) who is one of their staff yesterday evening just before my posting on their behalf and she is appalled by the idea of captive dolphins in Hisaronu.
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Originally posted by brianthegardener
Mikrik...the Seaside tourisn and travel agency office in Oludinez IS promotimg the swim with dolphins in Kas...i got a price of them today..sundays and wednesday`s they do the trips to Kas.
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Clearly work on the subsidence issue has started with surrounding paving stones being piled up...
HOWEVER 2 nights a go the pool wass filled almost to the brim with 2 tankers of water. Last night 10.30pm ish it still looked fairly full.
Today RiGHT NOW there is considerable loss of water already today.
The POOL is LEAKING and it appears that a hose pipe is now running water to the pool.
As Cheers said above how will correct temperature and required balances be not only monitored but maintained in a pool that is constantly leaking water.
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Mikrik
thank you for your feedback about the Seaside Tours office in Hisaronu.
It is the company that has the trip to the Dolphinarium in Kas on its web site and the Oludeniz office that gave the information to Brian.
This information should be noted by people reading the forum but it may be confusing because it is the same company.
Ultimately people will make a judgement about the company but we thank you and the staff member who is opposed to the Dolphinarium for drawing the distinction between the 2 offices to our attention.
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My thanks to Dolphin Angels for trying to clear up the point of Milkrik...the branch of Seaside Tourism and Travel Agency up in Hisaronu DO NOT promote the swim with dolphins..i approached them today and they proved to me 100% that they are NOT promoting swim with dolphins...they are totaly against the project both in Kas and here in Hisaronu..and I and other should respect this....the branch in OLU DINEZ...is PROMOTING the swim with dolphins..and this is a BIG problem..shame they dont both "sing from the same hymn sheet" so to speak being the same company....draw your on conclusions...go with Seaside Tourism and Travel Agency or not.!!!!!
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It is great that anyone is opposed to this venture and I, for one, applaud them. I can appreciate it's between a rock and a hard stone. Very difficult to keep principles, morals, feelings etc. when you also want to keep your job and your bosses determination to make money. Perhaps those who are in control should think 'long term', reputation, confidence in their company, repeat business etc? After all, like all other nations, we talk amongst ourselves.
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Obviously this is my own opinion.........
I agree with peecee that the people who are forced to sell these tickets have no choice if they want to earn money! Jobs are hard to find so the 'sellers' have no choice!
The people in control do not have any 'long term plans'! They just see 'Tourists - what can they do? There will be a new lot in next week', so don't lets worry it won't matter, we may get a few people complaining but we can just get rid of them!
No travel agency in the Kas/Kalkan area sell tickets for the 'Puddle' there. Which is why the Russian is looking to ... and I use this phrase 'LOOSELY' re-home 2 of the dolphins. He is not making any money in Kas which is why he is looking to open in Hisaronou!
Hopefully all hotels, villa/apartment owners/renters, bars, restaurants etc can quietly disuade anybody thinking of buying a ticket! and advise them to book any trip with a tour agent who does not promote any of these horrendous places!
I wish the whole site would just disappear along with the water which is obviously going down the drain!
No licence should ever be issued for this site!
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FACT CHECK
It is NOT TRUE that the pool has been given a licence to open.
Yesterday we went to the Tourist Office in Fethiye who would have to give the final licence to open for tourists in the event that the pool passes the inspection.
They have written (a couple of weeks ago) to the Oludeniz Belediye and told them that it WILL NOT be given a licence to open.
They have not received a repy.
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hi there, im confused as ive received an email on Facebook this morning from the group saying the licence has been given? x
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Yes based on a rumour which the woman who originally posted it said a friend had told her and she didn't know if it was true.
We took the trouble to check this out.
If every rumour we heard was printed here as fact this topic would be a thousand pages long.
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Dolphin Angels does the Tourist office have any say in granting a licence? If so do we all need to e mail the Tourist office or as you have posted they are already converted?
Getting confused now as to who grants the licence?
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The Ministry inspects and can give a licence to the suitability of the pool for its purpose. For this the Dolphins do need to be in it so a catch 22.
For the pool to be used by and open to tourists there is another licence and the tourist office needs to put the final stamp on the tourist licence.
Please do NOT email this office. The staff there are totally on board and opposed to this - they have all the necessary information and are well aware of the overwhelming opposition to this.
They have been very active on our behalf and do not need to be inundated with emails.
In the end the final decision rests with Ankara.
In next couple of days there will be somethings everyone can do and these will be posted when we have pulled it all together.
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Thanks for clearing that up Dolphin Angels!
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Cheers dolphin angel for clearing that up for me! :)
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Phew, am so relieved that facebook message was only a rumour, was starting to panic then... just cannot bear the thought of these dolphins in that tiny little tank....
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Here here! I to had the same message via facebook.
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I did also pleased it was not 100% certain
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I too had the message from facebook-and was worried. Pleased to hear that you have the tourism office onside-if they can't use thre venture with tourists than of course there is no business. Will keep reading, and praying and hoping even if the dolphins have to be bought over for the inspection-which in my opinion will happen-they wont be there long, and the pool will be shut down. Poor Dolphins.
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At poolside this afternoon,
the subsidence is being rectified, the pool is now filled to the top with water again.
The russian obviously thinks he has a chance to open it!
We now have copies of the Turkish Laws Regarding Animal Welfare
If the Russian is reading this...we suggest that he too reads them with interest!
There are laws in place to protect animal welfare, and there are heavy penalties imposed on those that inflict cruelty.
We will shortly be posting those articles that we feel relevant, and the authorities will be informed that WE KNOW of them.
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Just had a meal in Hisaronu and walked past the dolphin puddle. Opposite the puddle are three huge bins overflowing with rubbish which is strewn around the area with cats searching for food amongst it. The empty bar next to the bins is a wreck and falling down too with a derelict garden. Why would anyone pay money to go and be confronted by a scene like that?
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Because Daffodil the people who will buy tickets don't know what they are going to! IT SOUNDS GOOD DOESN'T IT - LETS ALL GO AND SWIM WITH A DOLPHIN! The ticket touts under the orders of the agency owners make it sound good and a brilliant 'Day out'! The pictures of what is supposed to be there as we know will all be doctored! Unfortunately when the people get there including any children with them they will come home very UPSET! They will see the conditions that you describe and what the dolphins will be living in, but will they be honest enough to tell fellow holidaymakers what they actually experienced and put people off going or because they spent so much money on doing it that they wouldn't want to lose face and admit it was a MISTAKE!
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The whole attraction is an absolute shambles and a disgrace. It reminds me of an old run down seaside resort that you find in the UK. The pool is actually smaller than they say it is because one end is very shallow for the idiots who want to swim with dolphins to stand in. There is a wooden hut being built that looks awful. About 25 meters away is Nadias Irish bar playing loud music.
If idiots want to swim with dolphins come to my house we have a mosaic of 2 dolphins at the bottom of the pool and I will only charge them a fiver.
Olu Deniz should hold its head in shame.
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Think I would disagree with your remark regarding tourists Cheers. IMO most tourists, when asked what they've done, where they've been etc would either say 'great day out' or 'bl***y' rip-off, don't touch'. After all they're all in the same boat of trying to entertain the family and to pay £50 or whatever for 6 minutes with an unhappy Dolphin in a paddling pool is a rip-off.
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[Any one out there actually in Hisaronu at the moment,
It is crucial that whatever shop, bar, restaurant you go into PLEASE
provide information regarding the pool. Urgently.
We are still finding total ignorance about the situation, many, many, still believe it to be a great crowd puller!!
Please explain, that in the wild the dolphins would be swimming over 100 miles a day. These two boys were born in the wild and therefore will know what it is like to be free.
Now they will be imprisoned and all for the profit of one man.
Also add that the chlorine, which will be impossible to moniter because the pool is leaking and will be constantly topped up from a tap, will seriously affect their soft membranes, and may cause blindness.
You may like to add that the russian has said, that as the EEAM standards insist that the dolphins are kept in a quiet place, he will go around to all the bars and ask them to turn the noise down!!!
Bar owners may not like this idea too much!
Every buisiness must be made aware that this enterprise will surely link Hisaronu with animal cruelty.
The russian can always leave the country if tourism diminishes.
Local turkish buisnessmen cannot.[/b]
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Well said!!
There must be lots of readers on this forum who live there or people who intend visiting in the next week that could help on this!!
I JUST WISH THAT BEFORE THE RUSSIAN TRANSPORTED THESE TWO DOLPHINS HE SPENT A WEEK IN THE 'PUDDLE' AND THEN SOMEONE ASKED HIM THE QUESTION DID HE WANT TO SPEND THE REST OF HIS LIFE IN IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Please can everyone check in here either Sunday night or Monday morning and allow a little time to do some copy, pasting and sending.
A letter has been prepared and is currently being translated.
It will appear here in Turkish and English and we will ask you all to copy and paste the whole thing and send to all the email addresses that will be provided.
Staff at Kas have told 'prospective' customers the Dolphins will be moved the 2nd and 3rd of June that's Tuesday or Wednesday next week.
The pool area is a hive of activity at the moment so they are getting ready for something.
We will need everyone to take a few minutes of their day to send out this message.
Other angles are being covered but this will also be very important.
Thanks in advance...
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Originally posted by Dolphin Angels
Please can everyone check in here either Sunday night or Monday morning and allow a little time to do some copy, pasting and sending.
A letter has been prepared and is currently being translated.
It will appear here in Turkish and English and we will ask you all to copy and paste the whole thing and send to all the email addresses that will be provided.
Staff at Kas have told 'prospective' customers the Dolphins will be moved the 2nd and 3rd of June that's Tuesday or Wednesday next week.
The pool area is a hive of activity at the moment so they are getting ready for something.
We will need everyone to take a few minutes of their day to send out this message.
Other angles are being covered but this will also be very important.
Thanks in advance...
Just wonder how many of the local bars, shops and restautants have access to the internet.
If we are going to reach these people would not a series of advertising "flyers" be a good idea. There are plenty of places in Fethiye that would print them cheaply and I am sure there are plenty of willing hands that would distribute them around the bars and restaurants.
I know this will cost a few pennies but, with the strength of feeling, there should be no problem raising a fighting fund
I,ll dob in the first £20
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I had same thought John. Instead of a flyer printed or handed out why not put the flyer on here that way it could be printed off or sent as email or fax to any bars or hotels that people have email addresses for.
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Working on something now. If you would like to receive this via email so you can print a few from home to distribute please just say so here and you will be contacted via the forum for your email (if we don't already have it and we can send it through.
It will be in black and white.
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Please!
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Me too please
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Send me please and if I can get my printer working will take to put in FIG shop on Monday
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My daughter, family and her friends are travelling here tomorrow and I have asked her to warn the tourists and other passengers about this atrocity. So that should be a full plane load advised. We are having a stream of visitors over the whole summer so even more people will be having this advice passed on Will also name names of tourist agencies not to frequent due to their support this abomination.
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A4 POSTER Now available as a Word doc as it prints better and have added the Yunus Parklari Kapatilsin FB group
Below is the text - where it says tourists people can change to say the name of the bar or restaurant
NOT IN OUR NAME
TOURISTS SAY NO TO HISARÖNÜ DOLPHINARIUM
Here there is a picture of a Dolphin swimming behind bars
Dolphins in captivity die young, suffer from stress and often die from diseases such as pneumonia.
The Hisarönü pool does not conform to European Standards and is far too small for two Dolphins.
Join the thousands on Facebook to
Free the Ölüdeniz Dolphins
Yunus Parklari Kapatlisin
BOYCOTT HISARÖNÜ DOLPHINARIUM
Just post here on the forum if you want to be sent a copy - will be done later tonight and tomorrow morning.
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Yes---please.
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Yes please
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Me too.
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yes please
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lucie you haven't got an e address to mail from your profile... I think if you write a few more posts you2ll qualify for us to be able to mail you...
everyone else I will mail you now and when you reply Those that haven't already) I will send your poster through in the next couple of hours or so...
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just want to say how amazing you all are, your endless hard work for the dolphins is just incredible!
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Printed some posters.
They will en route tomorrow evening.
Hope all businesses and complexes will be supplied
with others soon.
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How to make your own poster if you want to..
Open document and copy and past the text below.
Centre it on the page. The link to the website where the photo comes from is inserted in the text below to show where it goes.
Right click on the image that comes up and click on copy and then paste (ctrl v) onto your own document. Adjust sze on page to fit.
You can play around with page set up so it all fits on one page. Check page preview to see how it will print and adjust as necessary so it fills the page and looks right.
Its not the best poster in the world but simple, to the point and black and white so easy to print.
If you know how to put a border around it that would look good
Bold all text.
Text font and size above the photo Ariel 32
Text font and size below the photo Ariel 20 space between sentances 10 and the Boycott line is font size 24
NOT IN OUR NAME
TOURISTS SAY NO TO HISARÖNÜ DOLPHINARIUM
http://www.animalslavery.net/img/dolphin_prison.jpg
Dolphins in captivity die young, suffer from stress and often die from diseases such as pneumonia.
The Hisarönü pool does not conform to European Standards and is far too small for two Dolphins.
Join the thousands on Facebook groups to
Free the Ölüdeniz Dolphins
Yunus Parklari Kapatilsin
BOYCOTT HISARÖNÜ DOLPHINARIUM
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can you send me one to please
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Can you send me this flyer please? Maybe if people stick them in their cars, and print off some spares, others can ask for a copy?
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Uzumlu restaurants - Uzunhan, Winebar, Selale, Grape Garden, Internet Cafe and local shops have all promised to display the poster. Many thanks.
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Dolphins, please can you send me one through, I will display it!!
Thanks
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I have uploaded the dolphin poster so you can just click and download it rather than someone having to email them individually each time someone would like one.
Click here to save/download it http://www.calisvilla.co.uk/dolphin.doc
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Just to say I've only printed a few as I'm relying on a young man to distribute them and he only has a one week holiday. Lots more needed
Will take more myself in 3 weeks.
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thank you keith :) much appreciated
If you download please put space between the three main points under the picture so it balances out the whole page...
not so important I know but if you can it will look better and the points stand out.
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I know it's a long shot but is there any chance that the big shops (migros, tansas, eren etc) would put the poster up?
I do think we should stress the health aspect of this. Swimming with them is not going to be good because they (the Dolphins)will, IMO, develop problems being in the pool. Their immune system is going to deteriorate rapidly.
Problem is most of the diseases won't 'appear' until the people have gone home so if they're told about it beforehand it may put them off.
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Letter 1
Please copy and paste the text below and send to
Ministry of Environment and Forestry
General Directorate of Nature Conservation and National Parks
cites@cevreorman.gov.tr
I am writing with regard to the building of a Dolphinarium in Hisarönü Turkey. The pool being built is a concrete pool up a mountain. The imminent movement of 2 Dolphins currently held in captivity in Kas in Turkey forces me to write to you.
If I could draw to your attention the following facts I would be very grateful if you could look into this matter.
Turkish Animal Protection Bill 2004
The staff at the Kas Centre are telling customers the Dolphins will be moved 2nd or 3rd of June 2010.
This will be in direct contravention of the Turkish Animal Protection Bill 2004, specifically
PURPOSE
Article 1
to ensure that animals are afforded a comfortable life and receive good and proper treatment, to protect them in the best manner possible from the infliction of pain, suffering and torture, and to prevent all types of cruel treatment.
PRINCIPLES
Article 4 paragraphs a), c), f), h) and i)
a) All animals are born equal and have a right to life within the framework of the provisions of this Law.
c) The necessary measures must be taken in order to protect, supervise and care for animals and shield them from maltreatment.
f) It is a principle that wild animals will not be removed from their natural habitats, and animals which are living freely in nature will not be captured and deprived of their freedom.
h) It is a principle that animals will be cared for, fed, sheltered and transported under the conditions suited to their species.
i) Those that transport animals or have them transported must do so in a suitable environment and under suitable conditions according to their species and nature, and they must be fed and cared for during transportation.
CHAPTER ONE - Ownership, care and welfare of animals
Article 5
A person who participates in a general training program regarding the care of animals and who takes ownership of or looks after an animal is liable for sheltering the animal, meeting their ethological needs in accordance with their species and reproductive methods, taking care of their health and taking all necessary precautions with regard to the health and safety of people, animals and the environment.
CHAPTER TWO - Interventions in animals
Article 8
It is forbidden to give an animal hormones or drugs in a manner or dose that will change the nature of his species or ethology, unless it is for medical purposes, to drug an animal with various substances or to artificially alter the behavioural or physical characteristics specific to an animal species.
European Standards
Ibrahim Dilek the PA to Mr Kuznetsov said the pool would be built to European Standards. It does not. The European Standards are for the welfare and protection of the public as well as the Dolphins.
The pool does not meet any of the European Standards, specifically
- the pool is 912cm³ - the requirement for two Dolphins is 1200cm³
- there is no sound insulation in the pool and no specialist acoustic tests have been carried out to prove the vibration and noise levels from the all night underground disco and surrounding bars are safe for the Dolphins.
The European Standards state that the Dolphins must not be exposed to excessive noise
- the pool is built with concrete which according to Mr Kuznetsov's own Kaş Dolphinarium web site will badly affect the Dolphins sonar system
- chemicals and chlorinated water will be used and this can cause the Dolphins to become blind
- there is no shaded area and water temperature control which is vital for the welfare of the Dolphins
- there is no isolation pool which is clearly required by the European Standards
- the perimeter fence is inadequate to protect the dolphins from public interference and disturbance
In addition Mr Kuznetsov does not employ
- any qualified personnel or a Veterinary Surgeon who must be a qualified Marine Biologist.
- a qualified person to regulate the water purity, take samples of water and he is unclear where these will be sent for analysis.
The staff currently employed at Kas who will work in Hisarönü do not have the professional qualifications for these jobs.
Public Safety
It is also clear from regular observation and monitoring that the pool is leaking water and is being topped up with tap water to maintain a level. This makes it impossible to manage, regulate and maintain the correct levels with regard to temperature and chemicals.
This poses a huge health and safety risk to the public. Water quality is vital to protect Dolphins and the public. There are many diseases that can be passed from humans to Dolphins and Dolphins to humans.
Professional monitoring, testing and control of water quality is required in order to protect the public (tourists) and dolphins.
Movement of the Dolphins
The stress caused to the Dolphins by transporting them to Hisarönü would almost certainly kill the Dolphins. The plan is to move them not just once but twice a year from Kaş to Hisarönü and back to Kaş in the winter.s
There is no means to do this that would not contravene the Turkish Animal Protection Bill 2004.
Mr Kuznetsov does not have a good history of keeping Dolphins alive. He told us that 2 of his Dolphins in Kaş died from pneumonia and four in Alanya died from ingesting seeds from nearby trees the same trees that surround the roads around the pool in Hisarönü.
I look forward to your confirmation that there will not be a Dolphinarium in Hisarönü
I am writing on behalf of the 9500 people (so far) world wide that are opposed to this Dolphinarium in Hisarönü.
Your sincerely
cc.
Ministry of Environment and Forestry
(General Directorate of Nature Conservation and National Parks)
cites@cevreorman.gov.tr
References
http://jose.kersten.free.fr/aap/pages/tr/TURKISHANIMALPROTECTIONBILLLAW.html
http://www.marineanimalwelfare.com/EAAM.htm?option=com_content&task=viewid=19itemid=35#1e
Yunus Parklari Hisarönü Ölüdeniz Turkey
Aşagidaki hususlara dikkatinizi çekmek istiyorum:
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Türkiye'de 2004 Tarihli "Hayvanlari Haklari Koruma Kanunu":
Kaş ilçesindeki yunus parkinda çalişmakta olan personel, arayan müşterilere Yunuslarin 2 veya 3 Haziran'da taşinacagini söylemektedir.
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Bu, özellikle aşagidaki maddeler başta olmak üzere 2004 tarihli Türkiye Hayvan Haklarini  Koruma Kanununa dogrudan bir aykirilik teşkil edecektir:
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Türkiye'de 2004 Tarihli "Hayvan Haklari Koruma Kanununun Amaci -(Madde1)
· Hayvanlarin rahat yaşamalarini ve uygun , iyi muamele görmelerini  temin etmek, hayvanlarin aci, istirap ve eziyet çekmelerine karşi en iyi şekilde korunmalarini, her türlü magduriyetlerinin önlenmesini saglamak.
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Madde 4 paragraf a), c), f), h) and i)
a) Bütün hayvanlar eşit dogar ve bu Kanun hükümleri çerçevesinde yaşama hakkina sahiptir.
c) Hayvanlarin korunmasi, gözetilmesi, bakimi ve kötü muamelelerden uzak tutulmasi için gerekli önlemler alinmalidir.
f) Yabani hayvanlarin yaşama ortamlarindan koparilmamasi, dogada serbestçe yaşayan bir hayvanin yakalanip özgürlükten yoksun birakilmamasi esastir.
h) Hayvanlarin türüne özgü şartlarda bakilmasi, beslenmesi, barindirilma ve taşinmasi esastir.
i) Hayvanlari taşiyan ve taşitanlar onlari türüne ve özelligine uygun ortam ve şartlarda taşimali, taşima sirasinda beslemeli ve bakimini yapmalidirlar.
BÖLÜM1 Â - Hayvanlarin Sahiplendirilmesi, Bakimi ve Korunma şekli:
Madde 5
· Hayvan hakkinda egitim programina katilip bilgi sahibi olan kişi yani "sahibi" hayvani barindirmali , türüne ve üreme şekline uygun olan tüm ekolojik ihtiyaçlari temin etmeli, hayvanin sagligina dikkat etmeli ve gerek  insan, gerek diger hayvanlar  ve çevre sagligi açisindan gerekli tüm önlemleri almakla yükümlüdür.
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· Bir hayvana tibbî amaçlar dişinda, onun türüne ve ekolojik özelliklerine aykiri hale getirecek şekilde ve dozda hormon ve ilaç vermek, çeşitli maddelerle doping yapmak, hayvanlarin türlerine has davraniş ve fizikî özelliklerini yapay yöntemlerle degiştirmek yasaktir.
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Avrupa Standartlari
Sn. Alexsandr  Kuznetsov' un Asistani olan "ibrahim Dilek" havuzun Avrupa Standartlarina göre inşa edilecegini söylemiştir. Ancak, havuz Avrupa Standartlarina uygun degildir.
Bu Avrupa Standartlari, Yunuslarin  yani sira halkin da sagligina ve korunmasina  yöneliktir.
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!!!! Havuz, aşagidaki Avrupa Standartlarina uygun degildir: !!!!
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· 2 yunus için inşa edilmekte olan havuz sadece  912cm³'dür - Oysa: 2 Yunus için gerekli olan alan 1200 cm³'dür.
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· Havuzda ses yalitimi yoktur ..ve gece boyunca açik diskolarin ve çevredeki barlarin gürültüsü Yunuslari rahatsiz edecek kadar fazladir. Yunuslar gürültüye ve titreşimlere aşiri duyarli hayvanlar olduklarindan;  civardaki bu gürültü onlarin barindirilmasi için uygun degildir. Yunus parklarinin hayvanlar açisindan güvenilir bir ortam haline getirilmesi için ; parkin civarinda mevcut olan ses seviyesi özel akustik testler sayesinde ölçülür ve Avrupa Standartlari ile karşilaştirilmalidir.Â
Avrupa Standartlarinda Yunus Baliklarinin aşiri gürültüye maruz birakilmamasi gerektigi belirtilmektedir.
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· Havuz, (Sn. Kuznetsov' un Kaş ilçesinde işletmekte oldugu Yunus parkinin web sitesindede belirtilmiş oldugu gibi)  yunuslarin sonar sistemini kötü bir şekilde etkileyecek olan betonla inşa edilmiştir.
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· Kimyasallar ve klorlu su kullanilacaktir; ki bu durum yunuslarin kör olmasina neden olabilir.
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· Havuzda AB Standartlarinda belirtilmiş olan "gölgeli alan" yoktur, yunuslar sicaga aşiri duyarli hayvanlardir; fazla güneş işini onlarin suyun içinde yanmasina ve görme bozukluguna sebep olur. Yine ..havuzda Yunuslarin sagligi açisindan çok önemli olan su isi kontrolü yoktur.
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· Avrupa Standartlari uyarinca  gerekli izolasyon yoktur.
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· Havuzun çevresindeki parmaklik yunuslari  halkin müdahalesinden ve verebilecekleri rahatsizliktan korumak için yetersizdir.
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Ayrica, Sn.Alexsandr Kuznetsov :
· Yunus parkinda ; yunuslardan anlayan özel egitimli nitelikli personel veya nitelikli bir deniz biyolog ‘u olmasi gerekirken; (deniz memelileri hakkinda bilgili olmasi gereken) bir veteriner hekim çaliştirmamaktadir .
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· Yunus havuzunun temiz olmasini saglamak için  su numuneleri alacak nitelikli bir kişi çaliştirmamaktadir ve bu su numunelerinin analiz için nereye gönderilecegi konusunda kesin bilgiye de sahip degildir.
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· Þu anda Kaş'ta çaliştirilan ve Hisarönü'nde de çalişacak olan personel, bu işler için gereken mesleki niteliklere sahip degildir.
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Halk Güvenligi
Ayrica, düzenli gözlem ve izlemelere göre havuzun su sizdirdigi ve seviyeyi korumak için musluk suyuyla dolduruldugu açiktir. Bu durum, isi ve kimyasallar açisindan dogru seviyeleri saglama, ayarlama ve sürdürmeyi imkansiz kilmaktadir.
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Bu durum, halk için büyük bir saglik riski teşkil etmektedir. Su kalitesi, yunuslarin ve onlarla yüzecek olan kişilerin sagliginin korunmasi açisindan çok önemlidir. insanlardan yunuslara ve yunuslardan insanlara geçebilecek pek çok hastalik vardir.
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Halki (turistleri) ve yunuslari korumak için havuz suyunun rutin profesyonel denetim, analiz  ve kontrolü  gerekmektedir.
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Yunus Baliklarinin Taşinmasi
Yunuslarin  Hisarönü'ne taşinirken maruz kalacagi stresin onlari öldürmesi neredeyse kesindir. Kaş'tan Hisarönü'ne ve kişin tekrar Kaş'a olmak üzere yilda bir kez degil iki kez taşinmalari planlanmaktadir.
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Bunu, 2004 tarihli Türkiye Hayvanlari Koruma Kanununu ihlal etmeden yapmanin hiçbir yolu yoktur.
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Sn.Alexsandr Kuznetsov, Yunuslari  yaşatma konusunda iyi bir geçmişe sahip degildir. Kendisi bize Kaş'taki Yunuslarindan  ikisinin zatürreeden öldügünü ve Alanya'da da dördünün yakindaki agaçlarin tohumlarini yedikleri için öldügünü söyledi; ki bu agaçlar Hisarönü'ndeki havuzun etrafindaki yollari çevreleyen agaçlarla aynidir.
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Çevre sakinleri ve bu projeye karşi çikmakta olan toplam 9500 kişi adina ,Fethiye Hisarönü'nde bir "Yunus parki" olmayacagina dair teyidinizi sabirsizlikla bekliyoruz. Â
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Maybe worth while editting to sort out bold text etc before pressing Send. Just a thought.
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would be great if people can check layout and bold heading etc to make it look presentable, thanks
more letters to different people to come over next hour or so...
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Well said peecee! People can take posters, letters etc. and put them up on windows, notice boards whatever to make everyone aware! It does only need a bit of sellotape, blu-tack or a drawing pin! If it was discreet enough I'm sure it could be put up around the Mayors office!:D:D:D
Dolpin Angels letter is straight to the point on the Turkish animal welfare law 5199.
This is the law in Turkey it just needs following up by everybody!
Other contacts to send the letter to will be posted later!
We have to KEEP GOING!
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THE SECOND LETTER
Is written in Turkish and can be here by following the link.
http://www.calisvilla.co.uk/CalltoAction.doc
Thank you Keith.
It is for the Minister and other important government decision makers so it needs to have correct spelling and good presentation.
All the people that it needs to be sent to are listed on page 58 with their contact details.
It is really important that this letter goes out so please download from the link and send it as soon as you can.
On the first post on page 58 of the forum is a list of who should receive
letter 1
letter 2
letter 3
and their contact details.
Thank you
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Third and final letter to copy paste and send to
Mugla Culture and Tourism Directorate
alo.179@hotmail.com
Dear Arzu
I am writing to you to express my concern about the proposed Dolphinariam being built in Hisarönü.
Please pass on my concerns outlined below and based on the Turkish legislation related to Animal Protection and with reference to the statement recorded in the Hürriyet Newspaper by Ibrahim Dilek of the Kas Centre saying the pool would be built to European Standards to:
Dr. Ahmet Altiparmak
Mugla Vali
mugla@icisleri.gov.tr
Osman Kurt
Ministry of Agriculture Water and Animal Affairs
Ahmet Dalli
Mugla Province Agriculture and Rural Affairs
info@mugla-tarim.gov.tr
Firat Erkal
District Directorate of Agriculture
Mehmet Mehdi Eker in Ankara
Minister of Agriculture and Rural Affairs
mehdieker@tarim.gov.tr
Turkish Animal Protection Bill 2004
The staff at the Kaş Centre are telling customers the Dolphins will be moved to Hisarönü on the 2nd or 3rd of June.
This will be in direct contravention of the Turkish Animal Protection Bill 2004, specifically
PURPOSE
Article 1
to ensure that animals are afforded a comfortable life and receive good and proper treatment, to protect them in the best manner possible from the infliction of pain, suffering and torture, and to prevent all types of cruel treatment.
PRINCIPLES
Article 4 paragraphs a), c), f), h) and i)
a) All animals are born equal and have a right to life within the framework of the provisions of this Law.
c) The necessary measures must be taken in order to protect, supervise and care for animals and shield them from maltreatment.
f) It is a principle that wild animals will not be removed from their natural habitats, and animals which are living freely in nature will not be captured and deprived of their freedom.
h) It is a principle that animals will be cared for, fed, sheltered and transported under the conditions suited to their species.
i) Those that transport animals or have them transported must do so in a suitable environment and under suitable conditions according to their species and nature, and they must be fed and cared for during transportation.
CHAPTER ONE - Ownership, care and welfare of animals
Article 5
A person who participates in a general training program regarding the care of animals and who takes ownership of or looks after an animal is liable for sheltering the animal, meeting their ethological needs in accordance with their species and reproductive methods, taking care of their health and taking all necessary precautions with regard to the health and safety of people, animals and the environment.
CHAPTER TWO - Interventions in animals
Article 8
It is forbidden to give an animal hormones or drugs in a manner or dose that will change the nature of his species or ethology, unless it is for medical purposes, to drug an animal with various substances or to artificially alter the behavioural or physical characteristics specific to an animal species.
European Standards
Ibrahim Dilek the PA to Mr Kuznetsov said the pool would be built to European Standards. It does not. The European Standards are for the welfare and protection of the public as well as the Dolphins.
The pool does not meet any of the European Standards, specifically
- the pool is 912cm³ - the requirement for two Dolphins is 1200cm³
- there is no sound insulation in the pool and no specialist acoustic tests have been carried out to prove the vibration and noise levels from the all night underground disco and surrounding bars are safe for the Dolphins.
The European Standards state that the Dolphins must not be exposed to excessive noise
- the pool is built with concrete which according to Mr Kuznetsov's own Kaş Dolphinarium web site will badly affect the Dolphins sonar system
- chemicals and chlorinated water will be used and this can cause the Dolphins to become blind
- there is no shaded area and water temperature control which is vital for the welfare of the Dolphins
- there is no isolation pool which is clearly required by the European Standards
- the perimeter fence is inadequate to protect the dolphins from public interference and disturbance
In addition Mr Kuznetsov does not employ
- any qualified personnel or a Veterinary Surgeon who must be a qualified Marine Biologist.
-a qualified person to regulate the water purity, take samples of water and he is unclear where these will be sent for analysis.
The staff currently employed at Kaş who will work in Hisarönü do not have the professional qualifications for these jobs.
Public Safety
It is also clear from regular observation and monitoring that the pool is leaking water and is being topped up with tap water to maintain a level. This makes it impossible to manage, regulate and maintain the correct levels with regard to temperature and chemicals.
This poses a huge health and safety risk to the public. Water quality is vital to protect Dolphins and the public. There are many diseases that can be passed from humans to Dolphins and Dolphins to humans.
Professional monitoring, testing and control of water quality is required in order to protect the public (tourists) and dolphins.
Movement of the Dolphins
The stress caused to the Dolphins by transporting them to Hisarönü would almost certainly kill the Dolphins. The plan is to move them not just once but twice a year from Kaş to Hisarönü and back to Kaş in the winter.
There is no means to do this that would not contravene the Turkish Animal Protection Bill 2004.
Mr Kuznetsov does not have a good history of keeping Dolphins alive. He told us that 2 of his Dolphins in Kaş died from pneumonia and four in Alanya died from ingesting seeds from nearby trees the same trees that surround the roads around the pool in Hisarönü.
I am writing on behalf of the 9500 people world wide that are opposed to this Dolphinariam in Hisarönü and sincerely hope that we hear news soon that this will not go ahead.
Your sincerely
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There are THREE letters to send - each one has a slightly different introduction and letter TWO is in Turkish and will hopefully be accessible here soon through a web link.
LETTER ONE (SEE PAGE 57 FOR TEXT) IS IN ENGLISH AND SHOULD BE SENT TO
Ministry of Environment and Forestry
General Directorate of Nature Conservation and National Parks
cites@cevreorman.gov.tr
LETTER TWO IS IN TURKISH AND PERHAPS THE MOST IMPORTANT LETTER
FIND THE LETTER HERE http://www.calisvilla.co.uk/CalltoAction.doc
Ahmet Dalli
Mugla Province Agriculture and Rural Affairs
info@mugla-tarim.gov.tr
Mehmet Mehdi Eker in Ankara
Minister of Agriculture and Rural Affairs
mehdieker@tarim.gov.tr
Mugla Vali (new in post)
Fatih Sahin
muglaozelkalem@gmail.com
Ministry of Agriculture Press Office
tarimbasin@tarim.gov.tr
BUT DO NOT USE HOTMAIL EMAIL ADDRESSES FOR THE PRESS OFFICE AS THERE IS A PROBLEM AND WILL BOUNCE
Ministry of Agriculture
mugla.fethiye@tarim.net.gov.tr ?
mugla.fethiye@tarimnet.gov.tr ?
Minister of T.C Ministry of Environment and Forests
Fax No only available
Professor Dr. Veysel Eroglu
Ankara
FAX 009 0312 207 62 99
Antalya Vali (previously from Mugla so aware of the situation)
Dr. Ahmet Altiparmak
antalya@icisleri.gov.tr
LETTER THREE (SEE TEXT ON PAGE 57) PLEASE SEND TO ARZU AT ALO179
Mugla Culture and Tourism Directorate
alo.179@hotmail.com
Thank you - this may be the last that we can do to stop this opening. Please take the time to do this
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This morning I looked at the Olu Deniz Post website and out of curiosity I did a search for Dolphins.....Zilch... apart from some dignitary & his Family (from Romania I think) swimming with them in Bodrum.
No mention of Hisaronu so I have to wonder why???:(:-\
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Copy of letter in Turkish can now be downloaded directly here: http://www.calisvilla.co.uk/CalltoAction.doc
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Have had some problems with emails bouncing back.
Anyone else experiencing the same.
mehdierker@tarim.gov.tr - "Mail box has exceeded limit" message
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Me too Highlander!! Maybe its just another way of being able to say "I don't know anything about it, nobody has contacted me!"
or am I being cynical?
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The obvious cause is that a large volume of emails arrived in his inbox while he wasn't around, taking it to it's allocated capacity. Possible reasons for this may include a protest that involved dolphins and public suggestions to email him ;)
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Have sent letters. Could I also suggest that once you have sent them you then forward the letters onto everyone on your contact list and ask them to send them as well. (making sure they change the signatures of course :))
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http://www.calisvilla.co.uk/CalltoAction.doc
Please send this letter (No 2) to
Ministry of Agriculture Press Office
tarimbasin@tarim.gov.tr
BUT DO NOT USE HOTMAiL EMAIL ADDRESSES AS THERE IS A PROBLEM AND WILL BOUNCE
Thanks
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Great job dolphin angels! Have sent the letters and will pass it on to the members of my facebook group, hopefully that will add a few hundred emails!!
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URGENT TONIGHT OR TOMORROW AN ATTEMPT TO ILLEGALLY MOVE THE DOLPHINS
Anyone who sees any attempt to move the Dolphins please do the following.
Do not put yourself at risk; just contact the appropriate authorities
Print and copy the letter below which states the legislation (THE LAW) and have this with you. Turkish first English below
If you are in Kas
PHONE
KAS - phone Police - 156
If you are in Ölüdeniz area
PHONE Jandarma - 155
Gemiler Ölüdeniz or anywhere else on this coast line - phone 155
If you see anything happening at the Hisarönü pool - phone 155
Say
Lütfen (addresse.g. Kas Yunus Parkin da, Gemiler Plajanda) gelirmisiniz, çok önemli, gel lütfen şimdi
Which is
Please (address) can you come, its very important, please come now
When they Police or Jandarma arrive you can give them this and if you speak Turkish all the better... It is their job to enforce the law.
THEY HAVE ALREADY BEEN SPOKEN TO AND INFORMED AND KNOW EXACTLY WHAT IS GOING ON
Print from here and have this with you...
KAS Emniyet Müdürlügüne
Ölüdeniz Jandarma
Kas ilçesinde faaliyette olan Yunus gösteri parkinin sahibi olan . Bay Koznetsov, HAYVAN HAKLARI KORUMA KANUNUNA aykiri olarak, Fethiye ilçesi Ölüdeniz beldesinde açmayi planladigi yunus gösteri parkina Kas'ta bulunan yunuslari 2 haziran'dan itibaren taşimayi planlamaktadir.
Ancak Ölüdeniz beldesinde açmayi planladigi yunus parkin daki fiziki sartlar olusmadan dolayisi ile yasal islemler tamamlanmadan tasimak istemesi hayvan haklari koruma kanununu hiçe saymasi anlamina gelmektedir .
Gereginin yapilmasini yunuslar adina arz ederiz
Türkiye'de 2004 Tarihli "Hayvan Haklari Koruma Kanununun Amaci -(Madde1)
· Hayvanlarin rahat yasamalarini ve uygun , iyi muamele görmelerini temin etmek, hayvanlarin aci, istirap ve eziyet çekmelerine karsi en iyi şekilde korunmalarini, her türlü magduriyetlerinin önlenmesini saglamak.
iLKELER:
Madde 4 paragraf a), c), f), h) and i)
a) Bütün hayvanlar eşit dogar ve bu Kanun hükümleri çerçevesinde yasama hakkina sahiptir.
c) Hayvanlarin korunmasi, gözetilmesi, bakimi ve kötü muamelelerden uzak tutulmasi için gerekli önlemler alinmalidir.
f) Yabani hayvanlarin yaşama ortamlarindan koparilmamasi, dogada serbestçe yaşayan bir hayvanin yakalanip özgürlükten yoksun birakilmamasi esastir.
h) Hayvanlarin türüne özgü şartlarda bakilmasi, beslenmesi, barindirilma ve taşinmasi esastir.
i) Hayvanlari tasiyan ve taşitanlar onlari türüne ve özelligine uygun ortam ve sartlarda tasimali, taşima sirasinda beslemeli ve bakimini yapmalidirlar.
BÖLÜM1 - Hayvanlarin Sahiplendirilmesi, Bakimi ve Korunma şekli:
Madde 5
· Hayvan hakkinda egitim programina katilip bilgi sahibi olan kişi yani "sahibi" hayvani barindirmali , türüne ve üreme şekline uygun olan tüm ekolojik ihtiyaçlari temin etmeli, hayvanin sagligina dikkat etmeli ve gerek insan, gerek diger hayvanlar ve çevre sagligi açisindan gerekli tüm önlemleri almakla yükümlüdür.
iKiNCi BÖLÜM - Hayvanlara Müdahale ederken :
Madde 8
· Bir hayvana tibbî amaçlar diinda, onun türüne ve ekolojik özelliklerine aykiri hale getirecek şekilde ve dozda hormon ve ilaç vermek, çeşitli maddelerle doping yapmak, hayvanlarin türlerine has davranis ve fizikî özelliklerini yapay yöntemlerle degiştirmek yasaktir.
English Translation
Mr Koznetsov is planning to move Dolphins from Kas to Hisarönü without completing the legal paperwork *(he has not been given a license to move them or for them to be in a pool in Hisaronu) and without Hisarönü Dolphinarium meeting the correct standards.
His actions are against the Turkish Animal Protection Bill 2004 so on behalf of the Dolphins please can you take action to stop this happening.
Turkish Animal Protection Bill 2004
The staff at the Kas Centre are telling customers the Dolphins will be moved to Hisarönü on the 2nd or 3rd of June.
This will be in direct contravention of the Turkish Animal Protection Bill 2004, specifically
PURPOSE
Article 1
to ensure that animals are afforded a comfortable life and receive good and proper treatment, to protect them in the best manner possible from the infliction of pain, suffering and torture, and to prevent all types of cruel treatment.
PRINCIPLES
Article 4 paragraphs a), c), f), h) and i)
a) All animals are born equal and have a right to life within the framework of the provisions of this Law.
c) The necessary measures must be taken in order to protect, supervise and care for animals and shield them from maltreatment.
f) It is a principle that wild animals will not be removed from their natural habitats, and animals which are living freely in nature will not be captured and deprived of their freedom.
h) It is a principle that animals will be cared for, fed, sheltered and transported under the conditions suited to their species.
i) Those that transport animals or have them transported must do so in a suitable environment and under suitable conditions according to their species and nature, and they must be fed and cared for during transportation.
CHAPTER ONE - Ownership, care and welfare of animals
Article 5
A person who participates in a general training program regarding the care of animals and who takes ownership of or looks after an animal is liable for sheltering the animal, meeting their ethological needs in accordance with their species and reproductive methods, taking care of their health and taking all necessary precautions with regard to the health and safety of people, animals and the environment.
CHAPTER TWO - Interventions in animals
Article 8
It is forbidden to give an animal hormones or drugs in a manner or dose that will change the nature of his species or ethology, unless it is for medical purposes, to drug an animal with various substances or to artificially alter the behavioural or physical characteristics specific to an animal species.
* correct as of today 1st June 2010 and the Ministry of Agriculture has said he will not be given a license
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ANYBODY GOT ANY CONTACTS IN KAS OR THE SURROUNDING AREAS WHO COULD JUST TIP DOLPHIN ANGELS OFF IF THEY SEE ANYTHING? IT WILL ONLY TAKE A PHONE CALL, NOTHING ELSE!
TIME IS RUNNING OUT!!
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ive e-mailed you Dolphin Angels
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Linda I have just spoke to Soo in Kas. She was out there today and will try to go out tomorrow.
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If you have any questions you would like to ask to the Kas dolphin centre
these contact details can be found on their web page...
fone..0090 242 836 4046
fax...0090 242 836 4136
gsm ..0090 535 586 9252
email..dolphinparkkas@yahoo.com
email corrected thanks cheers :)
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quote:
Originally posted by brianthegardener
ive e-mailed you Dolphin Angels
I have replied affirmative. Will ring you tomorrow.
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We have grave concerns regarding the water quality.
This is one aspect the authorities seem to have overlooked.
We urgently need to inform them of the situation, especially as it will expose tourists to all of the transmittable diseases on previous post.
Faeces, urine, chopped fish, transmittable diseases, probably human urine, in a small tank with no professional to test, analyse, and control purification, poses a very serious health risk.
The water will be at incubation temperature too.
The minister of health can be contacted info@saglik.gov.tr
If anyone can find the local health, safety authority name and contact details please urgently post on CBF
Please forward letters from pages 57 and 58 and add your concerns regarding water quality, to the minister of health.
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Can you message me your number please Dolphin Angels. I have a friend in Kalkan who is going to keep her ear to the ground. Her husband is also the vet there so he will let me know if he hears of anything happening. That way I can call you straight away if I need to.
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As stated in previous post, now we are concentrating on making the authorities aware of the health and safey aspects of keeping two large dolphins in a very small enclosed pool.
We are not sure if this subject has been considered.
We have been unable to see any of the bulding plans, therefore we do not know how the water purity is going to be maintained.How is it going to be purified, filtered, supplied, disposed of, and chlorinated, also will there be professionals who will be sampling and testing, where are the tests samples going to be sent,and are the dolphns free of any infectious pathogens,
The following lists make interesting reading, they contain possible risks that could be passed from dolphins to humans and from humans to dolphins and more besides.
also the final document to click onto, demonstrates that dolphins are not friendly flipper animals, but can be potentially dangerous.
The two dolphins will certainly be under great stress from their new cramped, noisy, hot, enviromentfilled with tourists.
Who after reading this report, will not have second thoughts.
Any one for a dip!!!
Viral diseases"Research in America found that exposure to marine mammals can involve a health risk to people working with the animals and it can also threaten the health of the public. Diseases contracted from marine mammals are difficult to treat and diagnose, as they may be overlooked or even ignored by physicians who are not aware of the risks or range of potential infectious diseases".
Caliciviruses have been isolated from bottlenose dolphins. The marine caliciviruses appear to be serotypes of vesicular exanthema of swine virus (VESV, Vesicular Exanthema of Swine
Herpes Virus -
Herpesvirus-like lesions occur in a wide variety of cetaceans.
Distemper virus
A delphinoid distemper virus (cetacean morbillivirus [CMV]), closely related to rinderpest ( Rinderpest: Introduction) and peste des petits ruminants ( Peste Des Petits Ruminants: Introduction), has been implicated in the deaths of harbor porpoises and common dolphins off the coast of the UK, striped dolphins in the Mediterranean, and bottlenose dolphins in the western Atlantic and Gulf of Mexico.
The Pox Virus
Morbillivirus:A delphinoid distemper virus (cetacean morbillivirus [CMV]), closely related to rinderpest (Rinderpest: Introduction) and peste des petits ruminants ( Peste Des Petits Ruminants: Introduction), has been implicated in the deaths common dolphins off the coast of the UK, striped dolphins in the Mediterranean, and bottlenose dolphins in the western Atlantic and Gulf of Mexico.
Influenza - Infection is probably common.
Even well-fed captive animals become weak, incoordinated, and dyspneic. Swollen necks due to fascial trapping of air escaping through the thoracic inlet is reported. Occasionally, white or bloody nasal discharge will be evident.
Tuberculosis Weils Disease & LeptospirosisTuberculosis and other bacterial diseases such as Weils Disease a severe form of Leptospirosis characterised by jaundice, circulatory collapse and tendency to haemorrhage.
Pneumonia - The chief cause of death in captive marine mammals is believed to be pneumonia. Clinical signs include lethargy, anorexia, severe halitosis, dyspnea, pyrexia, and marked leukocytosis. The disease can progress rapidly.
Miscellaneous Bacterial Diseases: Marine mammals are probably susceptible to the entire range of pathogenic bacteria.
Salmonella
E.coli
Listeria
Pasteurella multocida has caused several outbreaks of hemorrhagic enteritis with depression and abdominal distress leading to acute death in dolphins..
In dolphins, Mannheimia (Pasteurella) haemolytica has been incriminated in hemorrhagic tracheitis. Burkholderia (Pseudomonas) pseudomallei has caused serious fatal outbreaks of disease in various marine mammals in captivity in the Far East.
Staphylococcal septicemia has caused the death of a dolphin with osteomyelitis of the spine (pyogenic spondylitis). Another case of intradiskal osteomyelitis, due to Staphylococcus aureus
Sources: The above information was taken from the Merck Veterinary Manual
Viral diseases
http://www.merckvetmanual.com/mvm/index.jsp?cfile=htm/bc/170811.htm
Bacterial diseases
http://www.merckvetmanual.com/mvm/index.jsp?cfile=htm/bc/170808.htm
There is more information on the impact on human health in Chapter 5 page 29 of the Attached Booklet
http://www.hsus.org/web-files/PDF/MarMamCptvtyBklt.pdf
Male Dophin kills man
http://www.science-frontiers.com/sf101/sf101b07.htm
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Ministry of Health this page has an email address
info@saglik.gov.tr
http://www.saglik.gov.tr/EN/BelgeGoster.aspx?17A16AE30572D313AAF6AA849816B2EF03F62AD22E1A9C73
If mail bounces back and you are using hotmail - try another email address
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quote:
Originally posted by Donna2202
Can you message me your number please Dolphin Angels. I have a friend in Kalkan who is going to keep her ear to the ground. Her husband is also the vet there so he will let me know if he hears of anything happening. That way I can call you straight away if I need to.
Donna have mailed you - thank you phone is on 24/7 you can ring day or night
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A suggested heading for the pages on diseases to be sent to the minister of health as above in previous post, just copy and paste
Perhaps the health and safety authorities can stop the pool!!
Dear Sir,
The new Dolphinarium in Hisaronu poses a huge health risk to tourists.
Two large bottle bottlenosed dolphins will be kept in water unchecked or regulated by professionals, with no clear testing proceedures.
The concrete tank is very small pool measuring just 12 X 17 metres.
It does not conform to any of the European Standards.Tourists will enter the water.
Many diseases are transmittable between humans and dolphins, please read attached document.
The owners previous two dolphins died from pneumonia even though they were in the sea.
This pool has been brought to the attention of the world via the internet.
The damage to the reputation of Turkey is of grave concern.
Please confirm that adequate monitering, testing, purification of water will be conducted by the correct authorities and has met with your approval, in order to reduce the risk to human health.
This pool will be opened for this tourist season very soon.
Thank you for your immediate help on this issue
Sincerely,
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The new Antalya Vali is the old Mugla Vali
Dr Altiparmak - his contact details are
antalya@icisleri.gov.tr
Telefon :
0 242 243 97 91-93-94
0 242 243 18 80 / 83
Faks
0 242 248 93 95
You may want to write to him and remind him that it is illegal to transport Dolphins without a licence and take them outside of their natural habitat.
Sayin Dr Ahmet Aliparmak
Kaş ilçesinde faaliyette olan Yunus gösteri parkinin sahibi olan . Bay Koznetsov, HAYVAN HAKLARI KORUMA KANUNUNA aykiri olarak, Fethiye ilçesi Ölüdeniz beldesinde açmayi planladigi yunus gösteri parkina Kaş'ta bulunan yunuslari 2 haziran'dan itibaren taşimayi planlamaktadir.
Ancak Ölüdeniz beldesinde açmayi planladigi yunus parkin daki fiziki şartlar oluşmadan dolayisi ile yasal işlemler tamamlanmadan taşimak istemesi hayvan haklari koruma kanununu hiçe saymasi anlamina gelmektedir .
Gereginin yapilmasini yunuslar adina arz ederiz
Türkiye'de 2004 Tarihli "Hayvan Haklari Koruma Kanununun Amaci -(Madde1)
·                    Hayvanlarin rahat yaşamalarini ve uygun , iyi muamele görmelerini  temin etmek, hayvanlarin aci, istirap ve eziyet çekmelerine karşi en iyi şekilde korunmalarini, her türlü magduriyetlerinin önlenmesini saglamak.
iLKELER:
Madde 4 paragraf a), c), f), h) and i)
a) Bütün hayvanlar eşit dogar ve bu Kanun hükümleri çerçevesinde yaşama hakkina sahiptir.
c) Hayvanlarin korunmasi, gözetilmesi, bakimi ve kötü muamelelerden uzak tutulmasi için gerekli önlemler alinmalidir.
f) Yabani hayvanlarin yaşama ortamlarindan koparilmamasi, dogada serbestçe yaşayan bir hayvanin yakalanip özgürlükten yoksun birakilmamasi esastir.
h) Hayvanlarin türüne özgü şartlarda bakilmasi, beslenmesi, barindirilma ve taşinmasi esastir.
i) Hayvanlari taşiyan ve taşitanlar onlari türüne ve özelligine uygun ortam ve şartlarda taşimali, taşima sirasinda beslemeli ve bakimini yapmalidirlar.
BÖLÜM1 - Hayvanlarin Sahiplendirilmesi, Bakimi ve Korunma şekli:
Madde 5·                   Â
Hayvan hakkinda egitim programina katilip bilgi sahibi olan kişi yani "sahibi" hayvani barindirmali , türüne ve üreme şekline uygun olan tüm ekolojik ihtiyaçlari temin etmeli, hayvanin sagligina dikkat etmeli ve gerek  insan, gerek diger hayvanlar  ve çevre sagligi açisindan gerekli tüm önlemleri almakla yükümlüdür.
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iKiNCi BÖLÜM - Hayvanlara Müdahale ederken :
Madde 8
·                    Bir hayvana tibbî amaçlar dişinda, onun türüne ve ekolojik özelliklerine aykiri hale getirecek şekilde ve dozda hormon ve ilaç vermek, çeşitli maddelerle doping yapmak, hayvanlarin türlerine has davraniş ve fizikî özelliklerini yapay yöntemlerle degiştirmek yasaktir.
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Its Turkey and they will do what they like. You should see the thousands of animals kept in glass tanks in Pet Shops up here in Istanbul. Huge dogs spending all day in a hot tank. hundreds of kittens kept in small cages. Thousands of budgies crammed together pecking each other to death in small cages all for the sake of business. Im a foreigner here and my word counts for nothing. I dont say anything because I will just be castigated. I cant look sometimes because this kind of animal traffiking makes me angry.
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The new Mugla Vali started 2 days ago and there is a new email address for him.
Please send him this letter which you can access by following this link
http://www.calisvilla.co.uk/CalltoAction.doc
Mugla Vali
Fatih Sahin
muglaozelkalem@gmail.com
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Linda 1953 it's just that type of attitude that annoys me intensly.
If people listen to what you are saying then no one will try to stop this cruelty.
People, like you, said exactly the same when we started the fight to stop a cement factory being built in Uzumlu and,even though we are foreigners who worked with our Turkish neighbours, suprise suprise we stopped it.
Positive thinking and support are far healthier that being so negative.
Fi
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All done Dolphin Angels!!
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I have just received this response from John Sellar.
"There appears to be some misunderstanding regarding CITES and the role of the CITES Secretariat. CITES regulates international trade in animals and plants. It does not regulate the use of animals and plants at national levels. The transaction to which your concerns refer does not appear to fall within the remit of CITES and we can take no action in this case.
John M. Sellar
Chief/Chargé/Jefe
Enforcement Assistance/L'assistance à la lutte contre la fraude/Asistencia a la Observancia
CITES Secretariat
International Environment House
11-13 chemin des Anemones
1219 Chatelaine-Geneva
Switzerland
Tel: +41 (0) 22 917 82 93
Fax: +41 (0) 22 797 34 17
Email: john.sellar@cites.org
Web: www.cites.org
The information contained in this email may be confidential, and is intended only for the use of the individual or organization named above. If the reader of this email is not the intended recipient, please notify the Secretariat as soon as possible."
I have emailed back asking if they can give any help regarding who can be contacted.
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quote:
Originally posted by cheers
I have just received a reply from the Turkish Embassy in London with the following information:
Would you please contact Ministry of Environment as this is the related body for the issues like your concerns mentioned in your e-mail.
T.C. Cevre ve Orman Bakanligi
Doga Koruma ve Milli Parklar Genel Müdürlügü
(Republic of Turkey
Ministry of Environment and Foresty
General Directorate of Nature Conservation and National Parks)
Address:
Sogutozu Caddesi No:14/E
06560 Bestepe-Ankara
Turkey
Fax: + 90 312 207 59 59
E-mail: cites@cevreorman.gov.tr
As you can cites was given as part of the contact details by the Turkish Embassy in London.
Will remove the John Sellars contact from the above posts in light of his reply.
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I got the same message from Johnn Sellar.
And this one
Hello,
I have been following the dolphinarium project since the complains has started to be spread. As I called each related department in request I have not gain any answers regarding to project ending. However the government bodies are taking their part of responsibilities serious as well as your posts.
I am affraid, I will not be able to give you the answers your were happy to receive but, I assure your, your mails will reach their destinations.
Also I like to remined you of the new changes in Vali position. We wellcomed our new Vali just two days ago and his name is Fatih Þahin. Therefore, the privious Vali is not on duty in Mugla any more. When you need to send a mail to Vali's office please use muglaozelkalem@gmail.com.
Kind Regards,
Arzu Akca
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Handed in the letters regarding the Animal Protection Bill to the Kaymakam today.
Figure if he can turn away water tankers he might just have the Dolphins turned away too.
Have amended the Vali changes for Mugla and added the Antalya one as well as they will be responsible for the transportation license. At least Dr Altiparmak knows what is going on... can't get away from us that easily ;)
Spoke to this environment organisation (TEMA) today who we 'happened across' last week.
They want to take the case to court. They have a lawyer who would volunteer but there would be expenses for the paperwork and applications.
They also want to organise a legal protest.
Also the WWF sent through a bit of info yesterday too.
"Hisaronu is located in Fethiye-Gocek Specially Protected Area and SPA Authority did not give a permission for dolphinarium in Hisaronu.
Legal issues need some time but we belive that they will cancel this activity in Hisaronu. As WWF Turkey, we are trying to establish a new expert platform for preparing a strong document as a database for legal documents.
Dolphinarium problem is not spesific for Hisaronu. We should stop it at national level".
Suggested to TEMA today they should work together and share the costs of legal action but got the impression that wasn't going to happen.
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So, am I reading this correctly? If we can get enough funds together and contribute/pay for the costs then TEMA would take it to Court? At least they have a volunteer lawyer.
Does Hisaronou Baskan know he needed permission from the SPA Authority (or was that something just brushed under the carpet)?
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I received this reply from John Sellars (which was kind of him) Don't know if it helps re: the transportation issue?
Sorry, its not my area of activities.
This link will take you to the CITES authorities in Turkey but I don't know if they deal with such matters:
http://www.cites.org/cms/index.php/lang-en/component/ncd/?country=TR
John M. Sellar
Chief/Chargé/Jefe
Enforcement Assistance/L'assistance à la lutte contre la fraude/Asistencia a la Observancia
CITES Secretariat
International Environment House
11-13 chemin des Anemones
1219 Chatelaine-Geneva
Switzerland
Tel: +41 (0) 22 917 82 93
Fax: +41 (0) 22 797 34 17
Email: john.sellar@cites.org
Web: www.cites.org
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This is very useful thanks Peece
http://www.calisvilla.co.uk/CalltoAction.doc
This letter can now also be sent to
Ministry of Agriculture and Rural Affairs
(Tarim ve Köyisleri Bakanligi)
General Directorate of Protection and Control
(Koruma ve Kontrol Genel Müdürlügü)
Akay Cad. No. 3
BAKANLIKLAR/ANKARA
Tel: +90 (312) 419 83 19
Fax: +90 (312) 418 63 18; 418 58 34
Email: citesma @ kkgm.gov.tr
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Have written to TEMA and asked them for a comprehensive breakdown of the costs associated with submission of the legal paperwork and information on how this will be managed.
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citesma@kkgm.gov.tr coming up as not recognized (thru' Google mail not hotmail)
Have come up with this but think it covers flora and fauna:-
Ministry of Agriculture and Rural Affairs
(Tarim ve Köyişleri Bakanligi)
General Directorate of Agricultural Production and Development
(Tarimsal Üretim ve Geliştirme Genel Müdürlügü)
Eskişehir Yolu 9. Km
06530 LODUMLU/ANKARA
Tel: +90 (312) 286 69 53; 286 37 54
Telex: 43216 Meys-Tr.
Fax: +90 (312) 286 64 42
Email: bbozkurt@tarim.gov.tr; kyalvac@tarim.gov.tr
OR
Management Authority / Autoridad Administrativa / Organe de gestion
Ministry of Environment and Forestry
(Çevre ve Orman Bakanligi)
General Directorate of Nature Conservation and National Parks
(Doga Koruma ve Milli Parklar Genel Müdürlügü)
Attn: Ms Ayşe Bozdag, Biologist
Sögütözü Caddesi No:14/E
06560 BESTEPE-ANKARA
Tel: +90 (312) 207 58 94
Fax: +90 (312) 207 59 59
Email: cites@cevreorman.gov.tr
Stuck??
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Consumed as I have been in the flurry of activity surrounding this issue, I almost missed the important point of people power. The work that individuals have done here and the support that has been afforded them from the various quarters really is amazing. If anyone ever questioned democracy and the power of the few, they ought to think again. A massive well done to everyone and and even bigger one to the driving forces (we all know who you are.
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quote:
Originally posted by kariaapartments
Consumed as I have been in the flurry of activity surrounding this issue, I almost missed the important point of people power. The work that individuals have done here and the support that has been afforded them from the various quarters really is amazing. If anyone ever questioned democracy and the power of the few, they ought to think again. A massive well done to everyone and and even bigger one to the driving forces (we all know who you are.
I would like to second that,walking around Hisaronu I have seen posters already being displayed to stop this place of torture being opened.
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I would like to 'third' that - this is a team effort, lead by example, let's hope the power of the people wins the day!
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Its quite interesting to hear this as I was talking to someone the other night and she said they arrived in Hisaronu and to start with everywhere she went she launched into a how terrible that they are building a dolphin park here etc and was amazed how few people seemed to kmow it was happening let alone about the campaign being waged.
It is good to hear that the posters are going up and hopefully these will spark discussions are spread awareness. In the meantime we can all tell our friends and their friends and talk to bar and restaurant staff. The more opposition to it on the ground means the less chance in the event it does open that it will be used enough to stay viable.
Anyone who needs posters - this can be arranged just drop a line here ... a poster for the car or the info pack for visitors or your local bar or restaurant. It can be arranged or we can tell you where to pick up a few to distribute.
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Glad to see she was spreading the word Dolphin Angels but was she only talking to other holidaymakers? Realistically not many would know. There are as yet (and hopefully never will be!) any advertisements for this so people will not necessarily know the puddle is there and what it is to be used for, even more so now that the fencing is up! I'm sure that any ex-pats in the area will be spreading the word as much as they can.
Once people like your friend start talking people will start taking notice and keep passing on the word! This is what is needed people to spread the word!
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We are desperately trying to find an authority who moniters water quality in public pools.
It is crucial that they are contacted urgently
This pool poses a serious threat to public safety
We are not convinced that the water will be professionally purified, chlorinated and tested.Bearing in mind all the transmittable diseases and the fact that a hose pipe has to constantly drip feed water into the leaking tank which will make regulation impossible!
We wouldnt want any tourist who gets into the water to become ill.... would we!
We are uncertain if any authority has been contacted by the owner, who when we talked to him about sampling and testing, was extremely vague.
So,we need urgently to bring this matter to their attention.
If anyone has any contact details for any health and safety authority especially dealing with water please post a.s.a.p.
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This is the website of the Turkish Ministry of Health, working on finding Environmental Health Dept.
http://www.saglik.gov.tr/EN/Default.aspx?17A16AE30572D313AAF6AA849816B2EF4376734BED947CDE
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This is the Ministry of Environment and Forestry, its in Turkish and my Turkish is not up to translating if this is any use.
http://www.cevreorman.gov.tr/COB/AnaSayfa.aspx?sflang=tr
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Thanks Eric! Wish I spoke Turkish as well!
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thanks guys, will check out and return
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Does anyone have an hotel-owning friend? They could possibly point in the right direction of who is responsible for hygiene/testing of pools?
Or, just a thought, would ALO179 know who to contact?
I think it's coming to the stage whereby the pool will be opened and Dolphins stuck in it. I'm only praying that the authorities are just 'playing the game' with the owner and, once everything is in place, will then turn round and say 'no because of this that and the other' (Don't forget you hear what they think you want to hear). Didn't they say they couldn't issue the licence until the Dolphins were there?
Perhaps the next step is to start talking to tourists? Mentioning the POSSIBLE health hazards, no filtration, deaths of the Dolphins in Kas, diseases that COULD be transmitted to swimmers and Dolphins. I know I wouldn't want to swim with them or let my family. £50 for the privilege of catching herpes? No thanks.
No customers, no profit, no business.
I'm not saying give up the fight just start using different tactics as well
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EVERY B%*&*Y THING
I had an email from someone who had kindly arranged for posters to be distributed in the area while over on holiday.
What's it got to do with you?????
This was basically the response from ACTIVITIES UNLIMITED and not said in a very pleasant manner.
Well we can tell them what it has to do with us. EVERYTHING
Do not for one moment believe this Dolphinarium is for "therapy" for children who will after swimming with Dolphins magically recover the power of lost speech or suddenly walk again or grow a new limb.
In reply to a direct question about why Hisaronu :.
the Russian said that he was bringing the Dolphins to Hisaronu because there was not enough tourists in Kas but here in Hisaronu there was lots of tourists.
So this is being done in our name BUT we tourists and residents DO NOT WANT this undersized pool with its leaks and subsidence and 2 Dolphins carted from Kas to Hisaronu and back again twice a year so that means it has everything to do with us.
Some people do not care about the affect on the Dolphins but we do.
Some people only care about how much money can be made.
Some people may well regret not taking a stand against this particular Dolphin Park because we only have a certain amount of money to spend while here and we may just choose to spend it elsewhere...
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Well said Dolphin Angels!!!
As we have always known it is all about money!!
So its ..........
BOYCOTT
ACTIVITIES UNLIMITED!!!
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Here are the contact details for the Special Protection Agency.
Please copy and paste the letter below to all the following email addresses
The Vice-President of Environmental Protection Agency For Special Areas
Ahmet ÖZYANIKÂ
: aozyanik@ockkb.gov.tr
Legal Advisor                                  Â
Nebahat AKTAÞ
: n.aktas@ockkb.gov.tr
Head of Research Plan and Project Administration Department
T.Cengiz KAMAN
: tckaman@ockkb.gov.tr
Head of Environmental Proection Research and Analysis Administration Department.
Mehmet MENENGiÇ
:Â mmenengic@ockkb.gov.tr
Mugla Specially Protected Area Directorate
Mesut AVCI
48800 Köycegiz, MUgLA
Phone : Â 0Â (252)Â 262Â 29Â 30Â
Fax : 0 (252) 262 25 62
E-Mail : ockmuglamd@ockkb.gov.tr
Antalya Specially Protected Area Directorate
Selahattin ERiÇÂ
Sedir Mahallesi Vatan Bulvari Orman Bölge Binasi ANTALYA
Phone : Â (242)Â 345Â 82Â 82Â Â
Fax :Â (242)Â 344 01 98Â
E-Mail : ockantalyamd@ockkb.gov.tr
Sayin
Lütfen aşagida yazili olan HAYVAN HAKLARI KORUMA KANUNU'nun gereklerini yerine getirmediginden Ölüdeniz/ Hisarönü'nde açilmasi planlanan Yunus gösteri parkinin faliyete geçmesine izin vermeyin!
Türkiye'de 2004 Tarihli "Hayvanlari Haklari Koruma Kanunu":
Kaş ilçesindeki yunus parkinda çalişmakta olan personel, arayan müşterilere Yunuslarin 2 veya 3 Haziran'da taşinacagini söylemektedir.
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Bu, özellikle aşagidaki maddeler başta olmak üzere 2004 tarihli Türkiye Hayvan Haklarini  Koruma Kanununa dogrudan bir aykirilik teşkil edecektir:
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Türkiye'de 2004 Tarihli "Hayvan Haklari Koruma Kanununun Amaci -(Madde1)
·                    Hayvanlarin rahat yaşamalarini ve uygun , iyi muamele görmelerini  temin etmek, hayvanlarin aci, istirap ve eziyet çekmelerine karşi en iyi şekilde korunmalarini, her türlü magduriyetlerinin önlenmesini saglamak.
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iLKELER:
Madde 4 paragraf a), c), f), h) and i)
a) Bütün hayvanlar eşit dogar ve bu Kanun hükümleri çerçevesinde yaşama hakkina sahiptir.
c) Hayvanlarin korunmasi, gözetilmesi, bakimi ve kötü muamelelerden uzak tutulmasi için gerekli önlemler alinmalidir.
f) Yabani hayvanlarin yaşama ortamlarindan koparilmamasi, dogada serbestçe yaşayan bir hayvanin yakalanip özgürlükten yoksun birakilmamasi esastir.
h) Hayvanlarin türüne özgü şartlarda bakilmasi, beslenmesi, barindirilma ve taşinmasi esastir.
i) Hayvanlari taşiyan ve taşitanlar onlari türüne ve özelligine uygun ortam ve şartlarda taşimali, taşima sirasinda beslemeli ve bakimini yapmalidirlar.
BÖLÜM1 Â - Hayvanlarin Sahiplendirilmesi, Bakimi ve Korunma şekli:
Madde 5
·                    Hayvan hakkinda egitim programina katilip bilgi sahibi olan kişi yani "sahibi" hayvani barindirmali , türüne ve üreme şekline uygun olan tüm ekolojik ihtiyaçlari temin etmeli, hayvanin sagligina dikkat etmeli ve gerek  insan, gerek diger hayvanlar  ve çevre sagligi açisindan gerekli tüm önlemleri almakla yükümlüdür.
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iKiNCi BÖLÜM - Hayvanlara Müdahale ederken :
Madde 8
·                    Bir hayvana tibbî amaçlar dişinda, onun türüne ve ekolojik özelliklerine aykiri hale getirecek şekilde ve dozda hormon ve ilaç vermek, çeşitli maddelerle doping yapmak, hayvanlarin türlerine has davraniş ve fizikî özelliklerini yapay yöntemlerle degiştirmek yasaktir.
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Avrupa Standartlari
Sn. Alexsandr  Kuznetsov' un Asistani olan "ibrahim Dilek" havuzun Avrupa Standartlarina göre inşa edilecegini söylemiştir. Ancak, havuz Avrupa Standartlarina uygun degildir.
Bu Avrupa Standartlari, Yunuslarin  yani sira halkin da sagligina ve korunmasina  yöneliktir.
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!!!! Havuz, aşagidaki Avrupa Standartlarina uygun degildir: !!!!
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·                    2 yunus için inşa edilmekte olan havuz sadece  912cm³'dür - Oysa: 2 Yunus için gerekli olan alan 1200 cm³'dür.
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·                    Havuzda ses yalitimi yoktur ..ve gece boyunca açik diskolarin ve çevredeki barlarin gürültüsü Yunuslari rahatsiz edecek kadar fazladir. Yunuslar gürültüye ve titreşimlere aşiri duyarli hayvanlar olduklarindan;  civardaki bu gürültü onlarin barindirilmasi için uygun degildir. Yunus parklarinin hayvanlar açisindan güvenilir bir ortam haline getirilmesi için ; parkin civarinda mevcut olan ses seviyesi özel akustik testler sayesinde ölçülür ve Avrupa Standartlari ile karşilaştirilmalidir.Â
Avrupa Standartlarinda Yunus Baliklarinin aşiri gürültüye maruz birakilmamasi gerektigi belirtilmektedir.
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·                    Havuz, (Sn. Kuznetsov' un Kaş ilçesinde işletmekte oldugu Yunus parkinin web sitesindede belirtilmiş oldugu gibi)  yunuslarin sonar sistemini kötü bir şekilde etkileyecek olan betonla inşa edilmiştir.
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·                    Kimyasallar ve klorlu su kullanilacaktir; ki bu durum yunuslarin kör olmasina neden olabilir.
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·                    Havuzda AB Standartlarinda belirtilmiş olan "gölgeli alan" yoktur, yunuslar sicaga aşiri duyarli hayvanlardir; fazla güneş işini onlarin suyun içinde yanmasina ve görme bozukluguna sebep olur. Yine ..havuzda Yunuslarin sagligi açisindan çok önemli olan su isi kontrolü yoktur.
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·                    Avrupa Standartlari uyarinca  gerekli izolasyon yoktur.
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·                    Havuzun çevresindeki parmaklik yunuslari  halkin müdahalesinden ve verebilecekleri rahatsizliktan korumak için yetersizdir.
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Ayrica, Sn.Alexander Kuznetsov :
·                    Yunus parkinda ; yunuslardan anlayan özel egitimli nitelikli personel veya nitelikli bir deniz biyolog ‘u olmasi gerekirken; (deniz memelileri hakkinda bilgili olmasi gereken) bir veteriner hekim çaliştirmamaktadir .
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·                    Yunus havuzunun temiz olmasini saglamak için  su numuneleri alacak nitelikli bir kişi çaliştirmamaktadir ve bu su numunelerinin analiz için nereye gönderilecegi konusunda kesin bilgiye de sahip degildir.
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·                    Þu anda Kaş'ta çaliştirilan ve Hisarönü'nde de çalişacak olan personel, bu işler için gereken mesleki niteliklere sahip degildir.
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Halk Güvenligi
Ayrica, düzenli gözlem ve izlemelere göre havuzun su sizdirdigi ve seviyeyi korumak için musluk suyuyla dolduruldugu açiktir. Bu durum, isi ve kimyasallar açisindan dogru seviyeleri saglama, ayarlama ve sürdürmeyi imkansiz kilmaktadir.
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Bu durum, halk için büyük bir saglik riski teşkil etmektedir. Su kalitesi, yunuslarin ve onlarla yüzecek olan kişilerin sagliginin korunmasi açisindan çok önemlidir. insanlardan yunuslara ve yunuslardan insanlara geçebilecek pek çok hastalik vardir.
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Halki (turistleri) ve yunuslari korumak için havuz suyunun rutin profesyonel denetim, analiz  ve kontrolü  gerekmektedir.
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Yunus Baliklarinin Taşinmasi
Yunuslarin  Hisarönü'ne taşinirken maruz kalacagi stresin onlari öldürmesi neredeyse kesindir. Kaş'tan Hisarönü'ne ve kişin tekrar Kaş'a olmak üzere yilda bir kez degil iki kez taşinmalari planlanmaktadir.
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Bunu, 2004 tarihli Türkiye Hayvanlari Koruma Kanununu ihlal etmeden yapmanin hiçbir yolu yoktur.
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Sn.Alexander Kuznetsov, Yunuslari  yaşatma konusunda iyi bir geçmişe sahip degildir. Kendisi bize Kaş'taki Yunuslarindan  ikisinin zatürreeden öldügünü ve Alanya'da da dördünün yakindaki agaçlarin tohumlarini yedikleri için öldügünü söyledi; ki bu agaçlar Hisarönü'ndeki havuzun etrafindaki yollari çevreleyen agaçlarla aynidir.
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Çevre sakinleri ve bu projeye karşi çikmakta olan toplam 9500 kişi adina ,Fethiye Hisarönü'nde bir "Yunus parki" olmayacagina dair teyidinizi sabirsizlikla bekliyoruz. Â
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Saygilarimizla
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walked past there today... unfortunately they are progressing with it :-\ they have now erected `hession` around the area, presumably to stop people peering in or showing their disapproval. I reckon they are planning to open about July 1st [:(!]... just when the turkish tourists start arriving in numbers to Hisaronu[:(!]
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I'm afraid it is more likely the Dolphins are arriving this weekend and they plan to open for business next week.... :(
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Hi, I work in the activities office in Hisaronu, did you call there or to the Oludeniz Office. In either case, if you had asked to speak to the management or a proprietor, I am sure the response would have been different. I have been quite verbal on here and on Facebook about this so called dolphinarium or 'POND' and Denise Tangal, founder of ... See moreActivities has been quoted from the start of the protest. Do call again and we will do all we can to help, as a company Activities has already boycotted the sale of any tickets to the Dolphinarium long belong it opens.
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quote:
Originally posted by cheers
Well said Dolphin Angels!!!
As we have always known it is all about money!!
So its ..........
BOYCOTT
ACTIVITIES UNLIMITED!!!
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Perhaps not so fast, umpy seems to indicate that no all staff are on message but it seems that the message from those that count is that they are against and WILL NOT be selling tickets.
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Sorry GB maybe now after all what everybody has heard and read on this forum it is now a FACT people will say what they think you want to hear! Officials are changing their minds by the minute!
You will hear from various tour operators that ...............
we will not sell tickets, we are against it (Actually got it in e mails from various operators who are now silent and not commiting themselves!) People can draw their own conclusions as to why??????????????????????
I SINCERELY hope that as you have posted PEOPLE THAT COUNT ARE AGAINST IT! That they are doing all they can to stop MISHA & TOM from ending up in the 'HELLHOLE'!!
If people didn't know we are trying to SAVE MISHA & TOM!!
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Carole and Tayfun have said tonight that we can put boards outside of their offices in Hisaronu to declare publicly they do not wish to profit in any way from animal cruelty.
We will be asking other tour operators to do likewise, we will soon find out who will sell tickets!!
We will also be running an advertisement in The Land of Lights naming those operators against the venture, for public to view.
This will be another test for those sitting on the proverbial fence!!
To any travel company out there reading this..Selling tickets to the public for the dolphinarium will be made public knowledge!!
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So umpy are Activities Unlimited willing to put their money were their mouth is and put up the poster in all their offices. Also tell all their staff that when people enquire about the dolphinarium that Activities Unlimited not only does not sell tickets for this but also is actively against it. I for one will only be using companies that are showing support against this project.
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The Russian is now searching for a vet to carry out the inspection of the dolphins prior to transportation.
It is crucial that we now contact as many vets as possible to inform them of the situation.
They may be unaware of the pool size, the fact that it does not meet ANY of the european standards, that chlorine will be used, there is no shaded area, no qualified vet or trainer, the pool is not insulated against noise or vibrations etc etc AND he, the russian, will be breaking the Turkish law of animal welfare of 2004
What vet would want to support this venture
If a vet cannot show compassion in this situation, then how will he-she show compassion to our pets!!
WE URGENTLY NEED YOU TO CONTACT YOUR VETINARY SURGEONS
TOMORROW AT THE LATEST,
BECAUSE
THE RUSSIAN WILL BE DOING THE SAME!!!!
Please suggest to your vet that he follows the protest on either Trip adviser, facebook or CBF, which incidently has now had over 30,000 visits! All potential customers!
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URGENT URGENT URGENT URGENT URGENT URGENT URGENT URGENT
Anyone with any vet email addresses please post.
Then we can send them copies of the poster and letter on page 57 of this CBF
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quote:
Originally posted by umpy
Hi, I work in the activities office in Hisaronu, did you call there or to the Oludeniz Office. In either case, if you had asked to speak to the management or a proprietor, I am sure the response would have been different. I have been quite verbal on here and on Facebook about this so called dolphinarium or 'POND' and Denise Tangal, founder of ... See moreActivities has been quoted from the start of the protest. Do call again and we will do all we can to help, as a company Activities has already boycotted the sale of any tickets to the Dolphinarium long belong it opens.
The person concerned went to the Carole & Tayfun and Activities Offices to ask them to display a poster because they had both stated that they would not support the Hisaronu Dolphinarium and we have advertised their stated positions on here several times.
This person was very upset at the reaction received not anticipating this because had believed that AU were not supporting this. If all staff know the company position this would not have happened and we are reporting what happens as it happens as it is reported as long as we believe the account to be accurate.
We are happy to know that AU will not be supporting this and hope they are willing to advertise this fact. If this incident helps clarify the situation then this all to the good; hopefully.
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MESSAGE FOR THE RUSSIAN!!
MISHA AND TOM DESERVE A LIFE!!
STOP EXPLOITING THEM AND DONATE THEM TO A RE-HAB CENTRE WHO HOPEFULLY WILL BE ABLE TO INTEGRATE THEM BACK INTO THEIR NATURAL HABITAT - NOT A CONCRETE 'HELLHOLE' WHERE THEY WILL SURELY DIE!!
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Kent Vets, kentvet@hotmail.com
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Hi again,
Can I clarify Activities Unlimited position on the Dolphins. The Hisaronu, does not and hasn't sold the Kas Dolphins. It has never supported the Dolphinarium in Hisaronu and has voiced its concerns for the animals from the start. We will not sell the tickets and will actively discourage anyone wishing to go to see them.
That is our position and always has been. If anyone would like to come and talk to us and bring their poster, once we have read the contents we may consider posting it outside our offices.
Umpy
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I went into Activities in Hisaronu last night and asked if they sold tickets to see the dolphins.
YES, WE DO said the man (big guy in a red shirt) its called a BOAT TRIP, go and see them in the wild.
Right answer, Activities!!!!
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URGENT URGENT URGENT.......
PLEASE CONTACT YOUR VETS TODAY
THE RUSSIAN NEEDS A VET TO INSPECT THE DOLPHINS BEFORE TRANSPORTATION
the local directory has telephone numbers but no email addresses
ANY CONTACT DETAILS PLEASE POST....THIS IS SO IMPORTANT!
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I have spoken to Mustafa Karagoz ,from Megri Vetinary Clinic, (0535 629 20 80) He is disgusted at Dolphinarium and will not be involved with them
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Have e-mailed Kentvet awaiting a reply.
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Vet telephone numbers are as follows.
Please call one or all of them, it is soooooooo important.
Bati Vet 6146779\ fax 6129095
Calica Vet 6468312
Eva Vet 6137166\ gsm 0535 244 4666
Fethiye Vet 6121166\ fax 6124483
Kent vet 6147349\ fax 6122010
Lara Vet 612 5916
Megri Vet 6131102
Ozgur Vet 6127755
Pasteur Vet 6121194\ 6144383 gsm 0532 3060048\ 0543 6010653
Pet Life 6131993
Serkan Tarim 6126266\ gsm 0534 2919154
Mustafa Vet 6123606
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won't he try to get a Kas vet to inspect them?
Wasn't there a lady in Kas who is married to a vet? Perhaps she can contact them her end?
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we know for a fact that local vets have been approached... and refused. Yesterday we have supplied copies of all the relevant information to two vets who we hope has circulated to all other vets.
There is a vet near Kas that is keeping an eye on things for us too.
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Good work all the vets!! Surely as Dr Altiparmak is also a vet he should have the same attitude? As he is now the head man in Antalya he could stop this! How much is the Russian willing to pay I wonder? If the transportation licence is signed it will have the vets name on and everybody will know exactly who he is and he should be treated accordingly!!
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Originally posted by brianthegardener
I went to see Bloody Gourges today and enquired about tickets to "swim with dolphins"...he told me " you cant swim with dolphins, the goverment wont give them a license, I cant help you"
I did go to IKARUS travel agency and they were advertising swim with dolphins at KAS..the front man Emre told me " but not at the moment...the dolphins are having babys, maybe in 15 days time you can swim"
I then went to SEASIDE tourism and travel agency they were advertising swim with dolphins again this was in KAS...sundays and wednesdays £75 pick up and drop off at your hotel.
Then it was on to ACTIVITIES UNLIMETED....again advertising swim with dolphins, again it was KAS...sundays and wednesday £25 PLUS the swim with the dolphins another £55...again pick up and drop off service from your hotel. Tha lady at this place was a very nice English lady who gave me the infomation.!!
I do have to say that ALL the above DID NOT mention the pool at Hisaronu....the ones that were promoting swim with dolphins were all promoting the Kas centre.
Dolphin Angels i have the advertising leaflets if you want them,if you want them you can message me and we can arrange to meet at the Hisaronu pool.
Umpy,
Is it just the Hisaronu Office that does not sell tickets to Kas but the Activities Unlimited office in Ölüdeniz does?
I don't want to labour the point but the same issue with Seaside Tours makes this all very confusing.
To most people the company is one company just with different offices in different locations.
Look forward to your reply, thanks Nichola
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Hi Nichola, just found five minutes to read this, Yes the 2 offices are seperate and offer different excursions. Here in Hisaronu we do not offer any swimming with Dolphins as our representative told Pete Jackson the other night. Do you have a business here, Nichola?
Please bring your poster and after we have examined it and providing it is not contravening any laws here in Turkey we will be happy to display it.
Once again we are a business providing family days out, however the welfare of animals is of concern to the owners and management of this business and we would not want to profit in any way from the suffering of any animals.
UMPY (Jane)
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Thank you Jane
I am sure you can understand that to most people Activities Unlimited is one and the same regardless of the location of its different offices.
Unless... you are saying that AU Hisaronu and AU Oludeniz are totally different companies I can't say that I can see the difference either.
If the Dolphinarium opens in Hisaronu then the campaign to educate and inform tourists will be stepped up and the work to see it closed will begin in earnest and that will almost certainly include identifying and promoting companies that do not support any Dolphinarium and therefore identifying and naming those that do..
You as a member of the Facebook group and clearly against the Hisaronu Dolphinarium are aware of the issues and the strength of feeling about this.
One of the things that has been highlighted from the campaign is that the conditions in Kas are not so great either and we have all been enlightened about the issues generally in relation to Dolphins in captivity.
So while the campaign started in Hisaronu there is a movement now to close all Dolphinarium in Turkey.
I would recommend (although it's every ones choice of course) that businesses that rely on tourists and local people who recommend local tour/travel agents to their visitors clarify their position and that position is consistent across the board because I really don't think anyone will care about the niceties of which office or not.
I am not trying to be pedantic but a company either does or it doesn't.
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Here is a report that spells out many of the issues already covered and uncovered here on these pages
http://www.acres.org.sg/ACRES_DolphinReport.pdf
from this web site
http://www.acres.org.sg/campaigns_dolphins.html
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Originally posted by Dolphin Angels
We are desperately trying to find an authority who moniters water quality in public pools.
It is crucial that they are contacted urgently
Just heard back from a hotel friend and he informd me that:
Checking of pools is a job of the enviroment and health authorities
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THINGS TO DO...
CONTACT YOUR VET
Phone numbers on previous page.
Ask him-her if they would act as vet for the transportation, are they aware that that the pool does not meet any of the European standards, and are they aware of the protest worldwide.
DOWNLOAD THE POSTER
on page 56 and 57 and give to as many friends, family and buisinesses in Hisaronu as possible
COPY AND PASTE
letters from page 57, 58 and 60 and send to our new Vali who speaks english, muglaozelkalem@gmail.com
re send letters to any contacts on previous pages, the volumme of emails may make a difference to whether they are read!
COPY AND PASTE
letter re transmittable diseases page 61 to the minister of health info@saglik.gov.tr and to the minister of agriculture, pg 61
CALL INTO YOUR LOCAL TRAVEL AGENCY
Its a simple question, can you buy tickets to swim with the dolphins.
Lets get this issue underway with earnest, and post your replies.
WE NEED AN UPDATE ON THE DOLPHINS IN KAS
WE WOULD LIKE TO THINK ITS IS JUST A RUMOUR BUT APPARENTLY ONLY ONE HAS BEEN SEEN THERE IN THEIR CAGE!!!!!!!!
Please contact whoever you know in the area to pay a visit and post the result.
IF YOU CAN DO JUST ONE OF THE ABOVE IT MAY WELL BE THE VERY STRAW THAT BREAKS THE CAMELS BACK,
IF YOU DO MORE, even if you are repeating work you have already done, THEN YOU WILL DEFINATELY BE OF IMMENSE HELP TO STOP THIS APPALLING CRUELTY NOW.
on behalf of our two boys... we thank you
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The dolphins are here, now, in the pool, both of them.
This is monstrous, they are huge things, they look really distressed
All the protesting came to nothing
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So sad to hear that.... devastating
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Oh dear how terriby sad. Dolphin Angels you have all worked very hard to try and halt the movement of these two beautiful animals. Hopefully this venture will not prosper as many tour agencies have siad that they will not 'sell tickets'.
We looked at the pool last week when in the area and we all found it distressing to see.
Maybe just maybe these animals will not be here for long.
Carol
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So sad to hear that. Just hope that no tourists decide to swim with them and it fails dismally. So much for the laws of this country, obviously don't apply to all. Money talks. Not giving up though.
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I am so sad about them being there. I'm sat at work typing this with tears in my eyes. Lets hope the venture fails, but what happens to the poor dolphins then? I never ever thought they would actually bring them to the puddle and I can't believe the cruelty of that man in bringing them to Hisaronu. May he spend time in a tiny cell and then he would understand how those poor defenceless beautiful creatures must be feeling right now.
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Sad news indeed.
Someone there should take a picture and email it with the story of what's being done, in the name of tourists, to all UK National papers.
It should get picked up and used if there is a picture showing the dolphins in such a small confined area.
Shame the Turkish Government departments in the press and at the same time appeal to tourists to not use the facility if they are coming here on holiday.
Do not give up please.
Fi
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I really never thought they would arrive in Hisaronu, what a shameful day in it's history.
It is time to target efforts not on preventing the facility but preventing it making enough money to keep it viable. I encourage everyone to help collate a list of tour operators who refuse to sell tickets - not a list of those who will, let's keep it positive and show our strong support for those agencies who shun this.
There are nearly 8,000 of us and between us we send many thousands more to the area. Let's use that strength to ensure that we will stand by and promote ONLY the agents who turn their backs to this horrific freak show.
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I am equally appalled and echo everyones comments on here. I only hope that now they are here that the licence won't be granted but that won't help the plight of the poor dophins.
Perhaps Dolphinangels can now target individual hotels in the area to not promote the dolphinarium if approached by the owner - after all how else are they going to attract customers!!!!
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Has anyone contacted the Ahmet Demirok the Consul General at the Turkish consulate in London? I know that this is probably out with his remit but the website does say "As well as issuing visas to travel to Turkey, Turkish Consulate General also provides information and guidance on various consular matters, foreign policy, investment in Turkey and advice for travelers." I have sent the consulate an email voicing my disgust at the situation and highlighting the health issues in allowing this venture to open. The email address is turkcons.london@mfa.gov.tr
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I can't believe this has been allowed to happen after all the hard work that has been put in to prevent it, 100s of phone calls and e mails to top officials and people in power and none of them had the balls to stand up and be counted! everyone of them passing the buck to another, back pockets full.
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Strangely enough a few of them told us their hands were tied until he actually puts them in the pool!
I wish they were I would push them in with the dolphins.
We are now contacting the nice officials who told us this.
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Ocean travel said yesterday that they do not support or promote activities that involve Dolphins in captivity and they agreed to show our poster in their office on the harbour. This is a very sad day for Turkey.
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Can you all send details to me of the ticket offices and excursion agencies who have confirmed they will not promote this 'facility' - company name, address (if poss) but at least town/details of what it is near/next to to admin @ calis-beach.co.uk and I'll start a topic to help promote them. It is important that the agencies who sell trips to the dolphins won't only get no business from that, but we do our collective best to prevent them getting business for anything else. We can all make sure that people booking villas, coming out to see us, sitting at the next table in the restaurant etc etc all know who works ethically when it comes to offering excursions and tours.
We have the combined power to ensure that those who shun the dirty money will also make the most money. That is the strongest incentive there is in Turkey.
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Absolutely no F*****G words at the moment!!
Apparently there was a Government officials car at the 'Hellhole' today it had written on it TARIM ILÇE MÜDURLÜgÜ RESMI HIZMETE MAHSUSTUR so what was the Financial Services Directorate doing there?
MAKING SURE THEY GET THEIR CUT UP FRONT?
:o :o :o
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I can not believe it either after all you people's hard work to stop it, am so sad to read that they are already looking distressed.
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Words fail me. I never thought it could go ahead with the strength of opposition there is to it.
He has won the battle we just have to make sure he does not win the war.
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can't believe it,So sad!!! Keep up the campaign Angels and co.xxx
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So sad. Shame on all the Government departments that have allowed this to happen. The fight must go on to ensure that it is not a viable business for the owner. Hisaronu should hang its head in shame !
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shocking. Agree totally with Keith,lets support the ones who don't sell trips there.
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I never thought for a minute that this would go ahead. Am saddened and disgusted to think of those beautiful creatures in such a small, confined space.
I'm with Keith in that we boycott anyone selling trips to the 'puddle'
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Keep heart everybody!! The fight will go on!!
If we can persuade the tour sellers not to sell tickets, keep the pressure on them (Maybe they are thinking it will all blow over in a few weeks!) inform everybody going on holiday to the area no matter if they just strike up a conversation in a bar with someone as Scunner says the word will travel.
The Russian will probably sell the tickets at an extra low price just so he can get visitors in and say 'People want to come' but with the economy the way it is I hope everybody spends their money in a different way rather than supporting this 'HELLHOLE'!!
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Hi , I am new to the forum but have been following you closely . I was the person who set up the Facebook page. I am appalled at what has happened but please dont give up.
Maybe we can get them out of there if we shout loud enough . It would be good if we could get them into a rehab centre.
I think if we all bombard the national newspapers with the story one of them may pick up on it. I dont know what this will achieve but at least some of the people going to Hisaronu will be aware of the situation and hopefully steer well clear.
Also some pics from someone sent to the national newpapers might help.
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Somebody has just come up with a brilliant idea!!
Anybody flying into Dalaman in the next few days, weeks or so may want to print off the Dolphin poster( Maybe shrink it down and get so many on an A4 piece of paper) and give them out on the planes!! If you were really cheeky you could use the facilities at work!!
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jamsponge is correct. Photos of the hole with dolphins in - taken carefully in order to ensure the size/scale of the thing is obvious - will turn this into a story worth running by the UK newspapers. Thus far all it has been is a small blue paddling pool with the threat of it being used to house two dolphins, which you have to admit is too ridiculous a story to believe, let alone print.
Put the evidence in front of them, it's a real story now...
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can someone clever put the poster available on here so we can print some off.thanks.
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With pleasure!!
http://www.calisvilla.co.uk/dolphin.doc
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My suggestion 2 pages ago says the same Scunner. I think the UK press would jump on it with pictures to scale.
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It does Fi yes, sorry about that.
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We are distraught.
Our telephones have not stopped ringing with reports of the two dolphins bobbing continuosly up and down all day and night, obviously a sign of stress and bewilderment.
They are in water about which we have no idea about the chemicals used,
There is no shade and it was exceedingly hot today,the pool is just 4 metres deep!
They have experienced a traumatic and lengthy journey from Kas to Hisaronu
And are now experiencing the volumme of noise and public disturbance that is Hisaronu.
ALL FOR PROFIT!
maybe now officialdom will act,
because now the dolphins ARE IN a pool that does not meet even the basic EEAM standards,
because now, in our view the Turkish laws on animal welfare 2004 have been breached,
because now it is open when no tourist licence has been granted
and because the pool has been built and NOW opened in a specially protected area without permission
We hope and trust, that armed with all of the information that you have been sending, authorities will take immediate action to remove the dolphins thus restoring the good name of the region.
Meanwhile,
WE URGE YOU TO
FIND OUT WHICH TRAVEL AGENTS WILL NOT BE SELLING TICKETS,
[PLEASE LET THIS BE YOUR MISSION,
TELEPHONE, EMAIL OR BETTER STILL CALL IN TO ANY AGENCY AND ASK THE ALL IMPORTANT QUESTION...
WILL YOU, OR WILL YOU NOT, BE SELLING TICKETS TO THIS DOLPHINARIUM
LET US ALL KNOW YOUR FINDINGS,THEN THE PUBLIC CAN DECIDE WHO TO SUPPORT
NO TICKETS EQUALS NO DOLPHINARIUM [/b]
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NOOOOOOO! This cannot be happening!! my heart is breaking for these dolphins.... But you're right everyone, we cannot give up, this is NOT over yet!! is there still some hope that they won't get the license and the dolphins will be returned to Kas? I will update all my members and we will do what we can! don't give up!
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thank you,printed a bundle to give out in jly/aug.
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So sorry Dolphin Angels and all you other great campaingers that have tried so hard for this to not happen, think we all feel the same tonight so sad for those two poor dolphins in that hell hole. As someone else said the fight is not over yet we must all stick together and try to get those poor boys out of there.
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One Dolphin has been bobbing up and down like a yoyo since they were first spotted at 9am this morning. It was still doing the same when I went there again tonight. The other mostly lies almost comatose most of the time.
At first I thought this was a joke like a plastic Dolphin as a sort of spoof to us. I have a very shakey video too (my hnads were shaking so much) and if someone knows how to post on youtube please contact me and I'll send you the file.
Just to let you know that there are things going on and this is not over.
(http://img180.imageshack.us/img180/1671/007cu.jpg)
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Poor little buggers, its enough to break your heart seeing them
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Obviously GASPING!!
No sign of a dorsal fin, not good!
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Will attempt to distribute more posters during T Cook flight on June 17th. Hope not all passengers are heading in Marmaris direction.
Not giving up !
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Originally posted by lucie
Will attempt to distribute more posters during T Cook flight on June 17th. Hope not all passengers are heading in Marmaris direction.
Not giving up !
If they are you will make them aware of the other 'HELLHOLE' there!!!
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Originally posted by lucie
Will attempt to distribute more posters during T Cook flight on June 17th. Hope not all passengers are heading in Marmaris direction.
Not giving up !
Doesn't matter - people will travel from Marmaris if swimming with dolphins is their desire - people will travel for hours for an excursion.
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Ive e mailed the ocean preservation society to ask for help and suggestions on what can be done to rescue these poor creatures now they are here,They are the people from the Cove Film ,had contacted when the news broke of the plans, but they advised everything as dolphin angel has done so I am very impressed for the work put in,
Now the Dolphins are here maybe the russian cant get license to open? If not I want them to go to a rescue centre not back to Kas Im sure everyone here agrees?
The film The Cove should also be promoted as a film to watch if you are ever tempted to support these ventures, its heartbreaking.
No one would ever want to pay to be with a captive dolphin if they had seen this film
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Originally posted by Scunner
quote:
Originally posted by lucie
Will attempt to distribute more posters during T Cook flight on June 17th. Hope not all passengers are heading in Marmaris direction.
Not giving up !
Doesn't matter - people will travel from Marmaris if swimming with dolphins is their desire - people will travel for hours for an excursion.
Hopefully not if they're warned beforehand what they can expect when they get there Keith. Six minutes in the 'hellhole' catching who knows what from the water for 30-40 lira each! Would you pay it if you knew? There again you could be right they would pay just to see for themselves what everybody was talking about!! But why would they need to travel from Marmaris anyway there is another 'hellhole' there. This is the 12th to open!!
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Originally posted by Julesp
Now the Dolphins are here maybe the russian cant get license to open? If not I want them to go to a rescue centre not back to Kas Im sure everyone here agrees?
Today have spoken to the Animal Rights Org here HAYAT. They have prepared legal documents which they will send to us and we will get translated and share with you.
During the converstion I was told that the Alanya Dolphinarium does NOT have a licence and even when the 4 Dolphins died the authorities did nothing.
Don't hold out much hope for the licence stopping things here only political will or people power.
HAYAT have asked us to
1. continue to raise awareness and plans are in hand for this - more news on this soon
2. discourage people from using it so it fails due to lack of revenue
3. put pressure on local agents not to sell tickets.
We know none of the big tour operators will touch this with a barge pole.
PLEASE can everyone respond to Keiths request to provide the names and details of local tour agents that WILL NOT be selling tickets.
Can we suggest that there should be no room for ambiguity. Does the company regardless of whether one office does and another doesn't sell Swim with Dolphin trips.
If the answer is a categoric NO - not at all - no way - then these are the operators we should be promoting.
In the meantime things are going on here so it is by no means a foregone conclusion (yet). Again more news on this soon.
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Is there anyone in the surrounding areas who can check the travel agents there? i.e. Dalaman etc?
Also, it would be interesting to find out which vet inspected them (if any)?
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Well, in for a penny in for a pound. I've just emailed the UK consul, the President, the Minister of Foreign Affairs and Minister of Health expressing my disgust and really pushing home the health aspect. Couldn't find an email address for Erdogan or would have done him as well!
Probably get deported now:D
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This is awful, now the dolphins are in the pool isnt it ment to inspected? Surely then it woul be closed down??????
Also they are operating without a lincease, wouldnt the jandarma be up there in a shot if they knew this?????????????????????????????? Anyone fancy telling them, I dont live near the Oludeniz Jandama????
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That picture seems to get worse every time I look at it. The pool is so small. Poor Misha and Tom :-(
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Just received a reply from Arzu Akcu to say he is no longer the person to contact. He says he is following with interest the protests. He has given me a new e mail address to write to as follows muglaozelkalem@gmail.com Will write to them immediately. Busy trying to contact travel agents to see who is willing who are not to sell tickets. Will report back as and when I get replies.
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Printed off the poster and will be handing them out at our quiz night tonight, as well as putting them around the village.
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Please, I feel so useless here in the UK. Is there anything I could be doing to help ?? wish we were there
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Pookie, contact the press about whats happening in the name of Tourists. Some of the readers on here must know journalists they can talk to?
Fi
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I have sent a request to Take a break.
If they can report on Turkish Love Rats they can report on Russian B*****ds.
If they can't or won't I have asked them to give the info to someone who will.
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I tried Take a Break weeks ago and didn't hear anything from them so hope you fare better
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Hi all
I have emailed these five newspapers here asking for help
news@timesonline.co.uk
online.editor@timesonline.co.uk
news.desk@express.co.uk
mirrornews@mirror.co.uk
talkback@the-sun.co.uk
I have also sent emails through the BBC news site and GMTV.... I dont know if it will help if we all do this but I'm sure it won't hurt??
I cannot beleive this has gone ahead
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havent posted on this topic for a whilebut i have been emailing lots of different newspapers local and national even emailed GMTV and all the radio station DJ's Jonathon Ross, Steve Wright etc, this morning, loose women as there was a rumour that Denise Walsh owned a villa in Ovacik but havent had replies from any of them?
Can anybody advise who else to email, as sadly i dont have any contacts in the right places?
My nephew is going to Hisoronu on Sat so will give him some posters to give out on the flight over.
Its terrible devastating news and just wish there was more we could do?
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News Update
1. A Vet in Kas signed off on the Dolphin so they were able to get a licence to transport them to Hisaronu.
2. Currently there is NO PERMISSION to open to the public so what happens over the next week or so is crucial.
We have just received the legally drawn up papers from HAYTAP in Turkish which we will get translated to English asap.
However at this time it is Turkish people who may have a greater influence with the the Ministries so it is vital that we circulate the information received from HAYTAP as widely as possible and encourage Turks to send to the relevant departments.
Will post more about this later.
Finally for now, did you know that Chelsea football team holiday in Hiiside Hisaronu. We could do with them on our team so if all and sundry could mail the Club maybe they would be willing to add their support. It may make a difference if we can raise the profile internationally.
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"if someone knows how to post on youtube please contact me and I'll send you the file."
Dolphin Angels, I can help with that if you still need it. 8)
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I will be the first to buy a 'SAVE THE DOLPHINS FROM HISARONOU' t shirt!
if we can get enough people wearing these around the area it will get the messge to the tourists, these are the lifeline to the business lets cut it off!
Tinx: :)
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Put me down for 1 as well!!
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How about "Release the Hisaronu Two" for the front of the t-shirts with a picture of a dolphin in the wild.
I know of a website that allows you to upload a design and then anyone can go onto the site and buy the t-shirts and other stuff with the design on. It doesn't cost anything to do so if anyone can come up with a design we all like lets get it done. I think that as Dolphin Angels has done so much hard work on this campaign then she should have the final vote on the design. The website address is below.
http://www.spreadshirt.co.uk/
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If you have a word with Chrissie (pi55y) we got a really good price for the CBF T shirts printed locally (over there). It means committing to buying an agreed batch but it works out the cheapest way.
Like the slogan though Haggis2010 :)
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The t shirt idea sounds good and we (there are a couple of us) will be happy for someone to organise this.
We are planning an info leaflet for mass distrbution and we are thinking of using the slogan
Dolphins in Captivity
Suffering not Smiling
I personally do have a preference for vest t-shirts though if that can be accommodated as I just can't do round neck t-shirts so if we can have both styles I for one would be happy.
If this can be managed as a potental fundraiser so there is a small profit as legal costs may need to be found.
Initial outlay 800TL and an approx total of 8000TL and this is with a solicitor offering her services for free and just the legal costs to be paid for. We are still discussing the legal route option and more details will be forthcoming as decisions are made.
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I would certainly buy a t-shirt and would offer my services re: organising.
Can I suggest that the Dolphins Angels contact Firo re: funding-raising (potential profit) as I think there are some legal ramifications. Firo organised the Uzumlu Cement Fund and would know the ins and outs.
We don't want to get into legal trouble do we? :)
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Animal Aid are already registered with FETAV for rundraising for animal welfare so no problem there.
Should there be enough interest in the t shirts I will be happy to organise this and liase with the dolphin angels as to slogans etc.
and Chrissie for the printing
Andy
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well done tinx
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http://www.facebook.com/photo_comments.php?subj=546406654#!/note.php?note_id=397783451866id=518621738&ref=mf
DON'T DELAY ACT TODAY COPY TEXT AND SEND
LAST CHANCE TO MAKE A DiFFERENCE AS PERMISSION TO OPEN IS NOT YET GRANTED
IT IS IN TURKISH - PREPARED BY HAYTAP
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DELETE ÖKYÜ NAME AND ADD YOUR OWN7CHANGE THE DATE/MAKE UP AN ID NUMBER
YOU MAYBE ABLE TO READ ENGLISH TRANSLATION HERE
http://www.facebook.com/note.php?note_id=397783451866
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Originally posted by tinkerman
Animal Aid are already registered with FETAV for rundraising for animal welfare so no problem there.
Should there be enough interest in the t shirts I will be happy to organise this and liase with the dolphin angels as to slogans etc.
and Chrissie for the printing
Andy
Thank you this would be a great help :)
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Originally posted by Dolphin Angels
http://www.facebook.com/photo_comments.php?subj=546406654#!/note.php?note_id=397783451866id=518621738&ref=mf
DON'T DELAY ACT TODAY COPY TEXT AND SEND
LAST CHANCE TO MAKE A DiFFERENCE AS PERMISSION TO OPEN IS NOT YET GRANTED
IT IS IN TURKISH - PREPARED BY HAYTAP
E ADDRESSES AT BOTTOM OF DOCUMENT
DELETE ÖKYÜ NAME AND ADD YOUR OWN7CHANGE THE DATE/MAKE UP AN ID NUMBER
YOU MAYBE ABLE TO READ ENGLISH TRANSLATION HERE
http://www.facebook.com/note.php?note_id=397783451866
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Can we include in the slogan 'Dolphin Angels' as this person has worked tirlessly on this and should be congratulated.
If my daughter hadnt been doing her final major she would have designed a Tshirt as she is a grafic design student.
All I want to say is keep up the good work . I feel a bit helpless living in the U.K and I also have health issues .
I have emailed several times to each organisation,I think if we all do this then someone will eventually pick it up for us.
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Oscar rent a car and travel agency are willing to arrange a private dolphin tour after 15th july. They can't do it sooner as it is not yet up and running. One agency NOT to be recommended
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Bringing together two subjects here, T-shirts & legal costs - we had the CBF T-shirts made and sold them at a (still good) higher price with the difference going to the Carnival fund. The sale of dolphin boycott T-shirts is an excellent idea to publicise the plight all around the resorts but could also help with the financial requirements.
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a room with a view required...
having been warned off now for the second time we need a location that shows a good view of the pool to take a photo that shows the full size of this tiddly little pool.
We have the technology we just need the view.
Photo required for publication and to accompany press article for UK & Turkish media.
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"Seaside" in Çalis yesterday offering Swim with Dolphins in Hisaronu
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quote:
Originally posted by Dolphin Angels
a room with a view required...
having been warned off now for the second time we need a location that shows a good view of the pool to take a photo that shows the full size of this tiddly little pool.
We have the technology we just need the view.
Photo required for publication and to accompany press article for UK & Turkish media.
Does anyone know the guy from Fly South Microlights.I don,t know him,but if he is sympathetic he may just take a trip up above with a photographer to get some photo,s.
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quote:
Originally posted by Dolphin Angels
"Seaside" in Çalis yesterday offering Swim with Dolphins in Hisaronu
That really is no surprise.
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quote:
Originally posted by Scunner
Bringing together two subjects here, T-shirts & legal costs - we had the CBF T-shirts made and sold them at a (still good) higher price with the difference going to the Carnival fund. The sale of dolphin boycott T-shirts is an excellent idea to publicise the plight all around the resorts but could also help with the financial requirements.
My post on Facebook echoes this ;)
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Wondering if all the people in the UK could contact the media, especially things like 'watchdog' Anne Robinson and highlight this disgusting venture. The more people 'abroad' who complain the better.
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http://www.facebook.com/photo_comments.php?subj=546406654#!/note.php?note_id=397783451866id=518621738&ref=mf
DON'T DELAY ACT TODAY COPY TEXT AND SEND
LAST CHANCE TO MAKE A DiFFERENCE AS PERMISSION TO OPEN IS NOT YET GRANTED
IT IS IN TURKISH - PREPARED BY HAYTAP
E ADDRESSES AT BOTTOM OF DOCUMENT
DELETE ÖKYÜ NAME AND ADD YOUR OWN7CHANGE THE DATE/MAKE UP AN ID NUMBER
YOU MAYBE ABLE TO READ ENGLISH TRANSLATION HERE
http://www.facebook.com/note.php?note_id=397783451866
Scroll down FB page to view if necessary... don't worry about bounce backs the important ones are getting through
Hope its ok to repeat this on any new page at this crucial time - thanks
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Lion Tours in Çalis "Coming Soon - Swim with Dolphins in Hisaronu" advertised on their chalk board.
Bit of a disappotment this one... they have been around a long time.
The Russian has been around to all the local tour operators asking them to promote and sell this.
Seems some are taking it up. Hope clarification on those that DON'T & WON'T are coming throught to Scunner!!!
NO BUSINESS means NO DOLPHINARIUM
Hope it doesn't take a Dolphin to die to stop this!
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No surprise about Lion Tours either. Money money money...
Please will everyone do one thing for me. Please remember than tour and excursion companies often also offer car hire and airport transfers. If you care about people earning money from animals that are suffering, book your hire cars and transfers with someone else too!
I shall move this topic into the Animal Aid section so it can continue after the Hisaronu forum closes.
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Noticed the Land of Lights is advertising A5 leaflets, 1000 for the price of 100.
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Went down to the dolphinarium tonite. The 2 dolphins are only able to poke their noses above the water and seem unable to swim - been in the same part of the pool since thay arrived.
Told the guys there on site that this was cruel and unacceptable and was told by this lowlife twat to fuc* off or he would make me go away
This place is obviously under Russian mafia control who are now employing bullyboy tactics.
QUESTIONS
Why was I the only person demonstrating there?
What has happened to all these "do good" organisations such as Save the Dolphins, WWF etc etc. Very upfront when they need money but not so much so when we need help?? Jobs for the boys maybe?
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Yes that's a fair point - how grim does it have to get before these organisations want to leave their offices and do something? Maybe a killer whale in an oil drum is more the level they get out of bed for? Where are they all?
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OK Let us stop weeing about - we need a fighting fund!!
Nicola, you seem the central person in this fight against the dolphinarium - can you co-ordinate this?
Tomorrow I will donote £50 towards a fighting fund be it Teeshirts, posters or whatever it takes to stop this evil place operating
Anyone else join me?
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Can we go up the puddle and protest. Not sure about the law on this one, is it allowed? if so does the group have to be under a certain number.? Maybe someone on here would know. It would break my heart to see them but if it did any good, would go willingly
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Originally posted by busybee
Can we go up the puddle and protest. Not sure about the law on this one, is it allowed? if so does the group have to be under a certain number.? Maybe someone on here would know. It would break my heart to see them but if it did any good, would go willingly
I am up for it and balls to the consequenses!!
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well thats 2 of us then, anyone else??
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Come on guys, safety in numbers etc :)
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As far as I have been told up to 9 people can make a protest without the Jendarme being called. (Don't know if its right) Someone has already suggested a rota being set up.
CO-ORDINATOR WANTED!!
Don't forget anybody can just turn up to give advice to the people hanging around or even give posters out!!
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Its amazing how quickly the mail boxes for the contacts for the latest e mail from Dolphin Angels to be sent out are filling up and their quota's are being exceeded. Carry on and keep sending the same e mail PLEASE!!
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We were planning on going there tomorrow to attempt to take photos.
We are not familiar faces therefore thought security may allow access if we made out we were checking the place out for family visits.
Would that work or is it now a case of no-one being allowed near the pond?
We would take part in any protests organised.
We are sickened to the core by the plight of these beautiful creatures.
We think the work done so far by the Dolphin Angels and CBF is just amazing. God bless you guys.
Jan and Phil
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Not sure what I'm doing wrong but each time I click on the facebook link to email I just end up on my own personal page. Not a regular fb user so any help would be appreciated. ;)
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Originally posted by janmack
We were planning on going there tomorrow to attempt to take photos.
We are not familiar faces therefore thought security may allow access if we made out we were checking the place out for family visits.
Would that work or is it now a case of no-one being allowed near the pond?
We would take part in any protests organised.
We are sickened to the core by the plight of these beautiful creatures.
Anybody who can talk the talk, has the gift of the gab etc etc, has a chance to get near, don't forget money talks! Apparently a local school took children around there today and they instinctively knew the dolphins were ill. (Out of the mouths of Babes eh?)
Apparently the Russian is very touchy at the moment! I wonder why?
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OK Cheers we will attempt to get pics tomorrow. I think we can all play the innocent traveller bit. :-\
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Blimey I so wish I was still there.......
Keeping my mouth shut maybe a bit of a problem!, but I would try....maybe!....please please anything anyone can do before its too late, if they are ill already....well it just makes you want to weep...if anything happens to those lovely dolphins those people want stringing up.....
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go to http://www.turkishliving.com/forums/news-views/33784-dolphinarium-hisaronu-10.html
On one hand this site has a thread condemming the dolphinarium and then at the bottom of the page - an advert for SWIM WITH THE DOLPHINS!!!!
The owner of this site says that he has no control over... these adverts - people who say that he can chose his advertisers get deleted!!!
Scumbag is making money from dolphins suffering
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Google match adverts to page content but they don't have carte blanche to advertise whatever they choose, nor do they want to. Any advert can be filtered out by the site owner by adding the domain of the advertiser to a list in the settings of Google Adwords. I should know, I've worked with Google adverts for years now. I have prevented several company's adverts from appearing on CBF, it's a two minute job to do so.
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Originally posted by busybee
Can we go up the puddle and protest. Not sure about the law on this one, is it allowed? if so does the group have to be under a certain number.? Maybe someone on here would know. It would break my heart to see them but if it did any good, would go willingly
I'm afraid it is against the law here. You can try to protest, and when the Jandarme are called you can plead ignorance. You may get away with it the 1st time, but not after that.
We tried it several times during the cement factory fight, got away with it the 1st time but after that we were forcibly told to stop, very quickly, or we would be arrested.
The time to protest is on his opening day. Let the newspapers and TV know about it. Co-ordinate it with them so the protesters and the TV/press arrive together, then the protest will get coverage before the Jandarme can stop it. Guerrilla tactics! This worked well when we went to seek an 'audience' with Mugla's Vali, we got the story splashed all over the news media before his office were able to get the Jandarme to stop us.
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Originally posted by Scunner
Google match adverts to page content but they don't have carte blanche to advertise whatever they choose, nor do they want to. Any advert can be filtered out by the site owner by adding the domain of the advertiser to a list in the settings of Google Adwords. I should know, I've worked with Google adverts for years now. I have prevented several company's adverts from appearing on CBF, it's a two minute job to do so.
So he is a lying scumbag then
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Ok, my post indicating that ads *can* be filtered went on 5mins ago. Lest see how long it lasts.
JF
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Sorry Kieth but I replied to the topic on TLF, under my non-used name of Viking on there, repeating some of what you said here. Hope you don't mind, but the guy is a scumbag. This is what I replied;
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This is a load of removed_by_swear_filter. Any advert can be filtered out by the site owner by adding the domain of the advertiser to a list in the settings of Google Adwords. It is a 2 minute job. You are profiteering from this. I urge everybody to boycott this site from now on!
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Originally posted by angelabee
So he is a lying scumbag then
Any advert on CBF I can make disappear - Virgin Media, Radisson, RAC, you name it...
Even Google aren't daft enough to think they know my site better than I do - there were adverts for holidays in Israel being served up by Google the day of the Mavi Marmara incident, the site owners have to be in control.
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Originally posted by Eric
Sorry Kieth but I replied to the topic on TLF, under my non-used name of Viking on there, repeating some of what you said here. Hope you don't mind, but the guy is a scumbag.
No problem, one thing is certain, they'll have known it wasn't me :)
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Have just come online having been busy working up another letter to go out as soon as it is finished and then translated.
Picking up on some of the points over the last 3 pages...
1. a rota for giving out info outside the pool has been suggested on FB and we suggest that those interested make themselves known to the person that suggested it and work something out.
However there is a security guard rather chubby with dark swept back hair that will try to send you away and if you are taking photos he will definitely warn you off and tell you to stop.
Advice is not to go on your own. We already have photos and we intend to get more that will be good enough quality for publication.
Park any vehicles away from the site.
2. protest at your peril... it takes weeks to get permission but on the opening day that is if there is one as they don't yet have permission to open.... well its not our place to tell people what to do!
If anyone is threatened they MUST call the Jandarma. That road is public and we need to report any threats or threatening behaviour. A highish profile might be good over the next few days while the decision makers are deliberating and emotions running high. Do not put yourself at risk.
3. A5 info flyers will be mass produced in the event this opens and available through the local media and for local bars and offices to have available for tourists and for anyone else that wants some to distribute. These will be produced if necessary through out the summer season... for as long as it takes
4 fundraising will come under the Animal Aid umbrella who are already registered with FETAV and anyone who wants to make a donation now - and there are tourists and others around now who want to donate - well maybe Tinxs can post something tomorrow about how to go about this and how it will work.
We have suggested to those that want to donate now while on holiday that any monies collected and subsequently not needed would be passed on to Animal Aid as it won't be possible to return unused donations
5. several people have offered ideas about fundraising and we will take these up if it seems court action is the way to go.
We are busy with the campaign side of things, liaising with people from all around Turkey and we will be very happy for people to take on other roles... we are walking around half asleep from very late nights working on this and just don't have time to take on more at the moment...
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Anybody needing to take photos need to do it ASAP. They seem to be screening off the actual pool now. 2 sides already closed. I have been going down there twice a day talking to whoever I see. There always is a young lad on the outside of the enclosure who gets on his phone not long after I arrive.
I am beginning to get a bit paranoid. I have also been told by the boss that 'you English know nothing'.
I live very close and it breaks my heart knowing they are so close but realistically so far away from us.
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still looking for a room with a view to take photos - seems today might have been the last chance
Micro Lights want £50
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There is an apart for sale or rent next door to the pond. The pinkish new ones. Maybe you could organise a viewing, you might get a good vantage point.
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Originally posted by Dolphin Angels
still looking for a room with a view to take photos - seems today might have been the last chance
Micro Lights want £50
Think its tolo late for Micro Lights. Shade over the pool now!
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I'm certainly willing to go up on opening day and will contact the poster. Would be great if someone was there (in the background) with a video camera so that the footage can be put on Facebook afterwards. If it's done continually throughout the day with different people? THEN contact the media to show plight of Dolphins and possible heavy-handedness of Jandarma.
Would any Turks join us?
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Just got back from Hisaronu. The perimeter is now completely screened off with green mesh and the pool is screened off with some kind of material. We were able to catch a glimpse of the 2 dolphins, still lethargically bobbing up and down. Shameful. Surprisingly there was absolutely no security around.
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I wonder if the opening day will be as well publiced,as the arrival,or maybe done under the cover of darkness as usual.I will be there if I know when.
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Opening day under cover of darkness should be seen as a great victory for those who have campaigned against this.
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Just got back and the dolphins are still bobbing. The pool now has water cascading constantly from pipes and I did actually see one dolphin swim a bit. About
5 of the men including the owner went off to the mosque. I am biting my lip about that.
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Please when you visit the travel agents and ask the all important question, obtain their buisiness card, then post the contact details.
The directory here only gives local fone numbers, we need them to have a barrage of emails.
They sincerely believe they will all make bucket loads of money from the dolphinarium.
It is up to us to prove the opposite will be true.
NO TICKETS SOLD EQUALS NO DOLPHINARIUM
PLEASE LETS GET AN UP TO DATE LIST POSTED ASAP
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The 4 dolphins that died in Alanya in February died from ..............
Heart enlargement, liver hemorrhage density and lung foaming density was determined
This was due to the conditions that they were kept in chlorinated, salinated water and the drugs they were forced to take!!
If this isn't enough to get people going to the local travel agents asking will they or won't they sell tickets don't know what will!
Please get off your BUTTS, take a stroll, ask the question and let Scunner know what you have found out!
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Originally posted by umpy
Hi Nichola, just found five minutes to read this, Yes the 2 offices are seperate and offer different excursions. Here in Hisaronu we do not offer any swimming with Dolphins as our representative told Pete Jackson the other night. Do you have a business here, Nichola?
Please bring your poster and after we have examined it and providing it is not contravening any laws here in Turkey we will be happy to display it.
Once again we are a business providing family days out, however the welfare of animals is of concern to the owners and management of this business and we would not want to profit in any way from the suffering of any animals.
UMPY (Jane)
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HAVE YOU PUT THE POSTER UP IN THE OFFICE WINDOW YET? THERE ARE MANY AVAILABLE I'M SURE SOMEONE HAS DROPPED ONE OFF AT YOUR OFFICE BY NOW!
BELIEVE YOUR OTHER OFFICE IN CALIS ARE ALSO PROMOTING THE TRIP TO THE 'HELLHOLE'?
DO YOU WANT TO COMMENT FURTHER ON YOUR COMPANYS STANCE OR IS MONEY TALKING?
PLEASE LET US ALL KNOW WHERE THE WHOLE COMPANY STANDS NOT JUST YOUR OWN PARTICULAR FEELINGS![/
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Sorry which company is this?
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HMMMM! NOT QUITE SURE? HMMMM?
IT IS ACTIVITIES UNLIMITED!!!!!!!!!!!!
OBVIOUSLY BY THEIR NAME ANYTHING GOES THEY WILL SELL THEIR AND THE DOLPHINS SOUL TO MAKE A LIRA!!!
:o :o :o
ANYBODY FROM AU WANT TO COMMENT FURTHER?
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Just had a catch up-think the t shirts is a great idea- hope these will be available soon! Bloomin Activities unlimited! Well done Andy with all the fundraising help. Hope this pool gets shut soon, this is like redicilous but not unsurprising of TUrkish attitude (althought I know there are some outside the norm)look at the poor pets here as well, budgies kept in too small a cages, hamster cages the size of shoe boxes, its the same idea!!!! Please let us all know when the opening day will be-hopefully it wont get to that!
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Day 5
This is the fifth day the two Dolphins have been in the Hisaronu pool
In that time they have barely moved from the same spot and stick together most of the time.
The most concerning thing is that for FIVE DAYS THEY HAVE NOT SLEPT unless they sleep while bobbing up and down like yo yos because round the clock surveillance reveals they do this ALL DAY and ALL NIGHT.
The noise pollution around this pool is simply horrendous. There are several water pumps constantly recycling water from the pool and they are VERY NOISY.
Are they turned off at night? NO!
How do we know - because we have gone throughout the night to monitor the situation.
This is on top of the loud music blaring out from nearby bars, the vibrations from the music from the underground disco that belts out techno hardcore noise until the early hours of every morning and the constant traffic on the road that is worse at at night because the Dolmus is re routed past there when they close off the town from 7pm.
This situation is just untenable and surely CAN NOT go on.
We hope the Russian had a lovely meal last night with Mayor Keramettin Yilmaz while the Dolphins remain tortured and stressed.
Yes we know EVERYTHING
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It would be interesting to find out what the restaraunt owners/workers views in the vacinity are.For example if they think that they will be busier. We would definately not eat in any of the restaraunts that are for this cruel venture.
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I am against this pool as much as anyone but to put your mind at rest a wee bit Dolphin Angel. I came across this last night
How do dolphins sleep?
Dolphins have to be conscious to breath.[1] This means that they cannot go into a full deep sleep, because then they would suffocate. Dolphins have "solved" that by letting one half of their brain sleep at a time. This has been determined by doing EEG studies on dolphins. Dolphins sleep about 8 hours day in this fashion.
A dolphin's behavior when sleeping/resting depends on the circumstances and possibly on individual preferences. They can either:
1. swim slowly and surface every now and then for a breath
2. rest at the surface with their blowhole exposed
3. rest on the bottom (in shallow water) and rise to the surface every now and then to breath. [2]
Unfortunately we cannot know if they are able to sleep because they are stressed.
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Thanks Heather please can you post the source/web link
However these Dolphins are in motion at all times. They go up and down constantly.
How do dolphins hear?
Dolphins hear through a sophisticated hearing sense which is located in small ear openings on both sides of the head.
However, it is believed that hearing underwater is mainly done through the lower jar bone which conducts sounds to the middle ear.
Dolphins are able to hear a broader range of frequencies than humans.
While we can hear sounds from 20 Hz to 20 Khz, dolphins are able to hear from 20 to 150 Khz being up to 7 times more sensitive than human ear.
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http://www.dolphinear.com/data/dolphins.htm
That is not where I saw the original info but is where I got the info I put on today.
Will post other link when I find it.
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K-Dog, a military dolphin, performed mine clearance in the Persian Gulf Dolphins are capable of far more than simple Sea World tricks.
"In 2004, lifeguard Rob Howes and three others were swimming off the coast of New Zealand. When they were about 300 yards out to sea, several bottlenose dolphins sped toward them, behaving very erratically. Slapping the surface with their fins and diving underneath the swimmers, the dolphins herded the group together by circling them tightly. As Howes peered beneath the water to watch them dive, he realized the dolphins were protecting his group from a great white shark heading straight for them. The dolphins fended off the shark for 40 minutes until the swimmers could safely make it to shore" - The New Zealand Herald, 2004.
Reports like this are not unknown to researchers who say dolphins are protective and will help other distressed mammals including humans in the water. According to marine biologist Rochelle Constantine, they like to help the helpless.
Wish they knew we were trying to help them:(
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I think I already did reply, Activities in Hisaronu, does NOT sell any tickets to any Dolphins anywhere.
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Oh and we don't have an office in Calis!!
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We went past Hamish McTurks office in Fethiye (Which is now located behind the extended Sahil Lokanta).......and what did we see ....A great big sign advertising "Swim with the Dolphins" admitedly it did say in Kas & Kalkan. It is the same Russian pocket though! What a surprise after his earlier denials:-\ Looks like that could be another one on the not approved list[xx(]
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No Dolphins in Kas, so will they be told about the Hisaronu one?
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we made 802tl at our table sale,at Bostans(calis front)today,all for the fund.Thanks to everyone who came to support us,
Andy,pauline,terrie,karen,simon....animal aid
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Excellent and one person gave 70TL last night.
Anyone who wants to make a donation knows who to contact.
It will be accountable through the Animal Aid fundraisers - bank accounts all legal etc.
There is a PayPal account too for overseas donators.
PayPal Account name animalaidfethiye@hotmail.com
Please tick the Donation box as this will allow free transactions
This will be going to court.... unless permission is NOT granted.
Local people - if tourists want to make a donation please collect the money and contact someone at Animal Aid - Tinxs and Terrie through the Forum.
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Went into seaside tours this morning, asked if they did transfers (for 8 people) Piggy little eyes lit up with 'yes'. Then asked 'casually' if they did dolphins trips. Replied 'Oh yes'. so told them I wouldn't touch their company and walked out! Gave me great pleasure. Perhaps others would like to give it a go!
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Dolphin Angels will sort a donation through paypal!!
peecee Good on you!!
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Paypal account for Animal Aid is animalaidfethiye@hotmail.com all donations will go to the dolphins for the time being.
Please remember when making a donation to click on 'Personnal' and then 'gift' this will exempt us from charges and all monies donated go to the cause ;)
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Originally posted by peecee
Went into seaside tours this morning, asked if they did transfers (for 8 people) Piggy little eyes lit up with 'yes'. Then asked 'casually' if they did dolphins trips. Replied 'Oh yes'. so told them I wouldn't touch their company and walked out! Gave me great pleasure. Perhaps others would like to give it a go!
PMSL, brilliant!
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Next time you go in, ask if his granny is for sale.
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Good one peecee!!!:D
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Heather......... www.dolphintherapykas.com
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This breaks my heart. It's like me being confined to live in a bath. I suggest a demonstration!! (if not already suggested???)
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Have you all seem the latest videos from the 'Hellhole' on the following link ............
http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=358308272654&v=wall#!/group.php?gid=358308272654&ref=ts
DISGUSTING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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"However it is proved scientifically that if dolphins live in pools or in the sea while they are surrounded with concrete walls, the sonar waves they have, which are vital especially for therapy, decreases continuously".
Hmmm were did this little snippet come from - oh lets see yes
Dolphin Therapy Centre Kas web site...
http://www.dolphintherapykas.com/3_en_dolphin_kas_center.htm
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Originally posted by tinkerman
Paypal account for Animal Aid is animalaidfethiye@hotmail.com all donations will go to the dolphins for the time being.
Please remember when making a donation to click on 'Personnal' and then 'gift' this will exempt us from charges and all monies donated go to the cause ;)
Donation sent, lets hope we can get enough money together to take the fight to the courts.
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Originally posted by tribalelder
Heather......... www.dolphintherapykas.com
There are no dolphins there anymore. So will people be directed to Hisaronu or will he just go out and catch another two?
Anybody advertising Swim with Dolphins in Kas are misleading the public.
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Might be over the top BUT
Instead of organising a protest that will be broken up could people go round the agents selling trips.
If everyone made it the same night and a rota was drawn up for visits every 15 minutes by say 3 or 4 people.
Any body saying yes will be told the consequences --8000 people on cbf and 5000 on facbook will be told.
Anybody saying no should be asked to say they are supporting the dolphins.
Any tourists hanging around at same time couldd be given leaflet to say why we are against it.
Stolen from Joe Blunt on another thread
"Do you do the Dolphins at Hisoronu"? If they say "Yes" I shall say "That's a real shame co's we will now spend our money elsewhere"! if they enter into a conversation I will point out that many will see their adverts for the dolphins and just walk by so they should think how much they're losing over this"
As I said might be over the top but could be more effective than the odd person dropping in.
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Definitely not over the top Heather!
Sorry to say but very few ex-pats, forum members etc. are even bothering finding out who or who will not be selling tickts! If they had they would have contacted somebody and the tour operators who will or will not be selling tickets would have been posted on here!
Apathy is rife!
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IT SEEMS THE DOLPHINS ARE RENTED!!
REPLACEMENTS ALREADY IN TURKISH WATERS!!
DISGUSTED!!
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What do you mean, Cheers?
Re: my last post, if everyone reading this just went into any tour agent wanting a 'large' pickup then said 'no, won't touch you' they will get the message. If we went en masse they might twig they're not real enquiries.
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We now have another £100 in the fighting fund from four donations from members of CBF :)
Animal Aid
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Has anyone any links into Lykia World ? when we were there a couple of years ago they were heavily advertising the Kas facility.
It may be worth someone in the area educating them...
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Andylin and diverbaz dive with them. Perhaps they can speak to them.
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Originally posted by cheers
Definitely not over the top Heather!
Sorry to say but very few ex-pats, forum members etc. are even bothering finding out who or who will not be selling tickts! If they had they would have contacted somebody and the tour operators who will or will not be selling tickets would have been posted on here!
Apathy is rife!
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be careful what you say you could loose the support you have. Many of us supporters are in the uk and not so able to do the foot work. I resent your comment and I'm sure others do!
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Many, many people have done their bit for the campaign to stop this.
There are a few things that people that do live here can do.
1. Phone or call in to a local tour operator and find out if they are selling Swim with Dolphins. If they aren't and that means the company doesn't sell the excursion anywhere else either then please email Keith (Scunner) or post the information yourself here on this link
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2. Download the poster and print of some copies and take them around bars and restaurants and ask them to display. The toilets are always a good place to display them and for places that are a little uneasy about being seen to publically go against this project.
You may need to spend a little time informing people about some of the facts about the risk to tourism and the threat to businesses that support this.
http://www.calisvilla.co.uk/dolphin.doc
Someone picked up 50 copies of the poster which we just photocopied for her yesterday and she spent a pleasant afternoon in the Paspater in Fethiye distributing them.
3. Talk to anyone and everyone you know about this - not everyone realises what is going on, how small the pool is, that so many Dolphins have already died in the name of entertainment or Therapy (which is a load of old bull anyway)or the health risks involved to themselves... for an experience well told... read about Mr. Pickles experience here
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4. Donate - this will almost certainly go to court and in the meantime there are the mass production of "info" leaflets to produce and t-shirts to be made up.
Donate at
PayPal Account name animalaidfethiye@hotmail.com
Please remember when making a donation to click on 'Personal' and then 'gift' this will exempt us from charges and all monies donated go to the cause
We liked Peeces contribution too
"Went into seaside tours this morning, asked if they did transfers (for 8 people) Piggy little eyes lit up with 'yes'. Then asked 'casually' if they did dolphins trips. Replied 'Oh yes'. so told them I wouldn't touch their company and walked out! Gave me great pleasure. Perhaps others would like to give it a go"!
Anyone wants any support, help or advice then please contact us - you know how. No time wasters though please - we do already know how heart breaking it is ;)
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There can be no transforming of darkness into light and of apathy into movement without emotion.
Lets all pull together.
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Originally posted by Gorgeous_bird
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Originally posted by cheers
Definitely not over the top Heather!
Sorry to say but very few ex-pats, forum members etc. are even bothering finding out who or who will not be selling tickts! If they had they would have contacted somebody and the tour operators who will or will not be selling tickets would have been posted on here!
Apathy is rife!
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be careful what you say you could loose the support you have. Many of us supporters are in the uk and not so able to do the foot work. I resent your comment and I'm sure others do!
I am very sorry to you GB and any others who may have taken offence at my post!!
I too am in the UK and can't do the footwork myself. There have been many requests on here for anybody in the area to go into the local tour operators to see who or who won't be selling tickets and report their findings direct to Keith so that he can compile a list.
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Hi Pookie
The travel company in LykiaWorld for the UK guests is Thomas Cook and they have already stated that they will not be selling this, not sure what we can do about the German or Russian guests, but have posters and leaflets ready to go into the dive centre and also on the night stand.
Lin
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Ezmen tours will NOT be selling tickets!!!! :)
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Listen guys this is all good to know but if we are going to promote the tour companies who aren't selling the dolphins souls we need more than a name. I have no idea who Ezmen Tours are and I'm sure the majority of members don't either and I have no idea where they are, to go to back them with my tour cash.
We're happy to let them all have a big free advert with address, website, email, telephone numbers but a name isn't going to help most of us.
Thanks.
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I emailed you details yesterday of Buzz Travel and nothing has been put up yet? Had all the info you required with it.
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I received nothing about that Fi - what email address did you send to? Anyway can you resend, thanks.
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Just a thought but has anyone from the area checked out the tour operators down in Olu Deniz? I know there are at least 2 down there and a lot of tourists stay. Perhaps someone from Ovacik/Hisaronou could have a wander (I'm in Uzumlu plus not exactly on friendly terms with one of them!)
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sent again to your private email addy
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Brian did Olu Ikarus/ Activities Unlimited/ Bloody Grogeous/ Seaside all selling... not sure about the others...
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We have checked out 1, Buzz Travel. They will never sell tickets for this. Scunner will be posting contact details shortly.
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But Activities Unlimited said in this very topic that they weren't!
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They are 2 different companies. Buzz travel owners are good friends of ours.
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I don't doubt it, I'm not saying anything about Buzz here, I'm saying that in the post above Activities Unlimited are apparently selling the dolphin 'experience' but a page or two earlier in this topic they confirmed themselves that they aren't?
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Just a thougth but wouldnt it be easier if there was a listing of who IS selling the Dolphin trips. Easier than looking through all the pages. The auction list for instance was added too as when promises came in. Hope this makes sense
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The idea really is to run a positive topic listing those who aren't rather than a negative topic detailing those who are.
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My daughter is just back from our place.she was telling me about a shop in paspatur,on the left out of town on the pedestrian walkway. He sells jewellery ( she described him as a hippy) and she tells me she went into the shop and he asked her for her opinion on dolphins in captivity . He then proceeded to explain about the dolphins plight and how hurt he was by it. He encouraged her to join the facebook group in support. This is a shop I will definitely be supporting he was very passionate about it. If anyone recognises the shop perhaps you could pop in with some posters for him to handout.
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I have just read on the facebook page that somebody booked a trip with carole and tayfun, but it was seaside tours who actually picked them up for the trip?
People will also need to be mindful of this happening?
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Originally posted by Scunner
But Activities Unlimited said in this very topic that they weren't!
What they said was the Hisaronu office didn't sell Swim with Dolphin.
However if you actually go to Activities Unlimited Ölüdeniz you can book to Swim with Dolpins. This was double fact checked by a second visit to the Öiü AL office.
They were asked to clarify if somehow AU Hisaronu and AU Ölüdeniz were two different companies. That question was never answered.
The almost full discussion takes place here
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A post just been put on Facebook to say two folk swam with the dolphins today
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Does anyone have any information about who is looking after these dolphins? Is it a trainer who lives nearby and comes in to feed them etc.? Is any training being done at all? What about daily water samples etc.? It would just be helpful to know if they are actually actively looking after these dolphins. Checks need to be done every day to assess the dolphins' health. Is this being done? I just wonder if there is a trainer there with them. If there is, it might be an idea to speak to this person. Trainers often do care for the animals and this trainer might not agree with these animals being here and might be able to help with inside info? Just an idea...
The dolphins bobbing around at the surface to me says that they are quite depressed, that they are scared to explore. I think sleeping is probably not the issue here as they do tend to be bobbing at the surface when they sleep or when they are resting. I think the problem is that they have NO stimulation whatsoever! There is nothing in that stupid tank. The noise IS a big concern. It must be driving them mad. Water carries noise so much more than air.
Thinking about these dolphins day and night. Wish there was more that I could do from the UK. Will be donating money though asap!
lots of love to you all, your commitment to these dolphins is truly amazing!
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Originally posted by krieny
Does anyone have any information about who is looking after these dolphins? Is it a trainer who lives nearby and comes in to feed them etc.? Is any training being done at all? What about daily water samples etc.? It would just be helpful to know if they are actually actively looking after these dolphins. Checks need to be done every day to assess the dolphins' health. Is this being done? I just wonder if there is a trainer there with them. If there is, it might be an idea to speak to this person. Trainers often do care for the animals and this trainer might not agree with these animals being here and might be able to help with inside info? Just an idea...
The dolphins bobbing around at the surface to me says that they are quite depressed, that they are scared to explore. I think sleeping is probably not the issue here as they do tend to be bobbing at the surface when they sleep or when they are resting. I think the problem is that they have NO stimulation whatsoever! There is nothing in that stupid tank. The noise IS a big concern. It must be driving them mad. Water carries noise so much more than air.
Thinking about these dolphins day and night. Wish there was more that I could do from the UK. Will be donating money though asap!
lots of love to you all, your commitment to these dolphins is truly amazing!
These are the million dollar questions krieny!
No Government official will tell you who is responsible for carrying out the water testing,how often it should be done etc. etc. As far as I can make out it is the Min of Ag. Ordinary hotel pools are monitored by another department but as this is a 'THERAPY' pool and falls into a different category.
If anybody can find this out we would all be grateful!!
As for training, when they were in Kas someone did go in every day to play with them, make them jump through hoops, pass balls back etc etc. not exactly stimulating for them. There is a post on the internet that dolphins are learning to use an i-pod!
Anything to make a kudos eh!!
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Whenever I have been down to peek through the fence they have shown no interest in the people who are meant to be 'caring' for them. They seem to keep as far as way as possible. The only time they have gotten close to anyone that I have seen is when they where cornered by a net and rolled out for medicating.
Anybody who has had anything to do with this, council, staff, ticket sellers have sold their souls to the devil
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Thanks for the response! Very worrying that there is not even a proper trainer there to accompany them. .. It goes against all the 'rules'. Any more information would be greatly appreciated! Thanks again :-)
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Originally posted by krieny
The dolphins bobbing around at the surface to me says that they are quite depressed, that they are scared to explore.
Explore what exactly? There isn't much they haven't already explored in that little box of water.
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I understand, but even in an unfamiliar space they can be scared to explore, to go beyond a certain point. For example dolphins are hesitant about going through gates in captivity or even when they are about to be released into the wild. I understand that there is nothing to explore in this empty world they have been dumped in. But perhaps because it is so empty, it will probably be a scary alien place for them. Concrete is an alien material for them, the sounds are alien, everything about the place is far from anything they have ever known. So in that way I mean scared to explore. If I were to be dumped in a prison cell, I would curl up in a corner for the first few days. Everything would be scary, the 4 walls, the sounds... It seems that that is what they are doing, staying together in one part of the pool. Thanks for your response though Scunner :-)
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Donation sent through Pay Pal, hope it reaches you all right! Let me know if any more funding is needed and I will see what I can do! x
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It was quite remarkable to see in the video on Facebook that the girl walks all the way across to the pool, sits on the edge of it, and the dolphins don't react to her approach or arrival in any way at all.
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You know what you are talking about Krieny.
Being in Hisaronu and living around the corner I HAVE to go every day to see them, these 2 wee fellows are now taking over my life. I just hope that when I go tomorrow they have started swimming properly and stopped this constant bobbing. I'm worried about them eating for one thing as I have seen no sign of interest in their carers and surely they would show interest if they were hungry as most animals are all of the time. It pains so much to see them stressed.
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That was day one Scunner and we are now a week in and they are still behaving the same. Scary
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Thanks for that chocoholic! I have spent many years seeing dolphins in captivity and also many years campaigning against it... I wish I could be there, I feel so helpless all the way in the UK. These dolphins have taken over my heart and thoughts as well. My heart breaks for them and I have nightmares about them being in that place. I recently had the opportunity to do some cetacean research in the Bay of Biscay and I was able to see wild dolphins for the first time. Hundreds of dolphins, even Sperm Whales!! Free to be who they are meant to be. It confirmed for me once again how horrendous captivity must be for these animals... Keep up your great work! I'm so impressed by what the local people are doing for these dolphins, that is the strength in this campaign! Keep in touch and let us know what you see when you go there tomorrow.
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Scunner, it is quite remarkable that they do not respond to people being there. To me that says that there is something not right with them. Any kind of stimulation or attention in captivity would normally get their attention, especially if it is food related...very worrying...
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Yes it most certainly is.
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Keith did you get my e mails?
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It is of absolutely no consolation whatsoever but the Dolphins are not bobbing quite so much now and moving around the pool a little more - as much as is possible in such a tiny confined space.
Big plastic sign gone up outside tonight the "Dolphin Park" a rather grand name for such a titchy pool.
Two tourists who went to swim left in disgust and said they were going to post something on Trip Advisor. I hope they do; perhaps we all should.
One more way to spread the word lots of people coming new to an area for the first time tend to look there for info first...
There seem to be an awful lot of staff there and there are huge question marks over water filtration and there is lots of doo doo in the pool which suggests its not working.
Hope anyone getting in there for a swim catches something nasty ;)
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I had a good nosey around the area today as there wasn't much security. In the corner of the complex near Nadias (grates me to even to write that name) there is a barrel of something that is buried just the top protruding. what kind of bloomin chemicals are they using that they have to bury them.!!!!!!
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Just hope the two tourists who swam pass on the message to others that it is disgusting.
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Re the 2 people who went to swim with the dolphins - I believe that they did not do it and left in disgust with the intention to post on Trip Advisor.
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Hi, I had a phone call from a concerned friend to say Activities are on here again, I thought I did clarify things on this forum as regrds the 2 offices. So here we go again...
Activities unlimited in Hisaronu does not sell any dolphin excursions at all.
Activities Unlimited in Ouldeniz is Franchised to Ertan Karagul and his Wife Natalie (NZ) and is completely independant of AU Hisaronu in what they offer excursion wise. Please address any issues to the individual office.
Here in Hisaronu, we are still waiting for the poster that was mentioned over a week ago.
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The poster is on page 57 of this thread, its been there a while.
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To all members and businesses that have a website, please read {A Link to an old CBF topic was here - no longer available}36040
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So Activities Unlimited has franchised out the Oludeniz buisiness.
Perhaps Umpy is rather missing the point.
We only wish to promote those who take the moral ground and DO NOT wish to profit from this horrendous case of animal cruelty.
By allowing the franchisee to promote and reap profit from this abuse of dolphins, regrettably unknowing tourists will link your name and office with your own.
We and the dolphins, welcome your support whole heartedly, but how are the tourists expected to know the difference when both offices are called Activities Unlimited.
Perhaps this is a matter that you can act on, given that you are obviously distressed, like the thousands of potential customers on the internet, about the dolphinarium.
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Surprise surprise, my posts have been deleted too. Seems the truth hurts on TLF.
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Where did captaincrunchies post go? Mine above was following his.
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Activities Unlimited Hisaronu has now put up the poster which I found thanks to Eric.
With regard to 'Dolphin Angels' posts perhaps you would like to contact the Oludeniz office direct their telephone number is 6170601, or pop down and ask for Ertan or Natalie. The Olu office has been franchised for many years and we cannot now dictate what that office can and cannot sell. We are aware that they have sold Kas in the past and up until recently that had not been an issue. Believe it or not, many people don't read this forum, so perhaps you had better contact them in person for their comments.
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Tomorrows edition of Land of Lights does not make happy reading at all:-\:(:(:(
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Dare I ask why?
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Headline "Owner remains confident of sucess as Dolphins arrive" And the article opens with International protests have aparently come to nothing........What an arrogant little sh*t! The whole article is about 3/4 of a page.:(
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Arrogant perhaps but he is right! All these organisations to write to and donate to and not one of them is even bothered to turn up - we have two full size dolphins in nothing more than a standard holiday swimming pool and not one of these organisations has even sent someone to see what they can do!!!
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Let's see if the arrogant sh*t stays arrogant when he's asked to attend Court.
If I remember correctly the local belederes were also sued in the Uzumlu Cement factory fight because they issued the licence? Can't remember the details exactly, perhaps Firo can remind us? perhaps that would be the way to go? Target the people who are supposedly responsible for animal welfare, issuing tourist licences etc. as well as the sh*t.
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Eric, what did your post and Captaincrunchies say on TLF? (sorry, poor grammar!)
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Originally posted by tribalelder
Tomorrows edition of Land of Lights does not make happy reading at all:-\:(:(:(
You said it Tribalelder... here is the same version in the Hurriyet on line edition
http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/n.php?n=owner-remains-confident-of-success-as-dolphins-arrive-in-hisaronu-oludeniz-2010-06-10
Also a correction is owed to the post about the 2 who swam with Dolphins and the 2 who went and left in disgust. It seems something was lost in translation and they were in fact two and the same!!!
So two people had booked - the tale was told but heard as two customers swim... Two customers had indeed booked and they went and they saw and clearly they hadn't realised that this venture is assured of success because they left in disgust.
I truly hope they did/do report this on Trip Adviser.
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From Page 10: "The telephone number for the WWF in Turkey is 0212 528 2030"
Did anyone come from WWF in Turkey?*
*See below
From Page 13: "I have found another organisation who may be able to help. I have e mailed them with my views, will let you know if I get a reply. It is 'Welfare for Animals Global'
www.wagny.org"
Did anyone from Welfare for Animals Global come?
From Page 16: "on the face book link there is a 2nd video which shows an organisation called WSPA rescuing 2 dolphins in Nicaragua, lucky
for those dophins it was a happy ending. They can be contacted at cwspa@wspa.org.uk"
Did anyone from WSPA come?
*From Page 16: "WWF man came today,he was very concerned, took fotos, made copius notes and inspected construction, inspected the whole location of the site and its surrounding areas, talked to the Fet tele reporter, land of lights and Hurriyet reporters in depth"
And what did he achieve?
From Page 17: "Have just received the following reply from laura.stansfield@wdcs.org
Please be assured that we are lobbying the relevant people to try to prevent this from happening"
What did WDCS achieve? It HAS happened.
...and there's 65 pages more after those.
All these fancy sounding organisations and many didn't see any need to send anyone, even though this sort of thing is what they are funded for. The WWF did a report that couldn't prevent the dolphins being chucked in the pool. The dolphins could have died on their first night because nobody knows what the water was like, whether it was suitable or not. But the WWF had decided to do a report, that's great.
The bottom line is, there are many organisations claiming to be in existence to protect wild animals from exploitation and not one of them could keep two wild dolphins out of this small pool.
A total waste of time (and donor's money) the lot of them. Must be a great place to work - speak like you care and do nothing at all.
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I have to reluctantly agree Scunner. When I wrote to the Whale and Dolphin org I received a prompt reply thanking me for drawing it to their attention. As did several others.
I also got told how I could help..donate money!!!
I am disapointed with the fact that they have done nothing.
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Yes donating money will help, they need a new coffee machine. Looks like we are on our own, donations to Animal Aid only...
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How about an article entitled
Russian Running Scared!
Innocent passerby arrested on trumped up charges...
Dolphin Park Pool is full of S**T
Dolphins excrete 10-15 kilos EACH of doo doo a day and little green lumps can be seen bobbing about on the murkey green waters...
11,000 Turkish and International Protesters Spurred On to Free Dolphins Misha & Tom
Despite inaction and an unwillingness by Government Departments to take responsibility, and pragmatism employed by those in positions to make a stand international and Turkish protesters are not deterred by this setback rather spurred on to win the fight for freedom and rehabilitation of two Dolphins confined in an undersized concrete pool up a mountain far from their natural habitat for the entertainment of morons and the profit of a few.
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Thought the article in Hurriyet wasn't too bad, at least they printed that some local businesses weren't happy.
Little ray of sunshine (miniscule really) The other forum has removed the 'swim with Dolphin' ads.
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If there are any fund-raising events being held anywhere (usually Çaliş) would the organisers please post details on this Free the Oludeniz Dolphins page as well as the CBF. Met a few people who were disappointed that they missed the teddy bear picnic. May be an idea to post it everyday for the few days leading up to the event as these pages a...re now so busy its easy to miss things.....Thnx..... :)
Taken from Facebook
http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=358308272654&ref=ts
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Have posted on Facebook about the Dolphin fundraiser in Uzumlu on 23rd
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Originally posted by peecee
If I remember correctly the local belederes were also sued in the Uzumlu Cement factory fight because they issued the licence? Can't remember the details exactly, perhaps Firo can remind us? perhaps that would be the way to go? Target the people who are supposedly responsible for animal welfare, issuing tourist licences etc. as well as the sh*t.
Local Belediere were never sued and did not issue a licence....
We are offering advice and support already Peecee.
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IMPORTANT
A totally innocent person today was taken away on totally imaginary offences.
We have ALWAYS advocated enlightenment and lawful persuasion as our best course of action.
The aggresive behaviour of a few, has now put our peaceful and lawful protest at risk.
PLEASE, PLEASE, DO NOT PUT ANYONES LIVES IN DANGER
We fully understand that the feelings of many are running high, but we repeat, by educating, using peaceful and lawful actions we will
rise above the moral ground of those who profit from this venture and be better respected for it.
It has never been our intention to affect the tourist industry, in fact the opposite is true.
We understood from the outset, that the perception of Hisaronu would be badly affected by the dolphinarium,
We have done all we can to bring this fact to the authorities attention.
We have quoted the high volume of petitioners, all of whom are potential tourists, all of whom are deeply unhappy about the pool being built in their name.
We understood from the start that Europeans would expect the pool to be at least, if not be better, than the European Standards.
We have even suggested better uses for the pool, which would generate more trade to the area, and which would please the european tourists.
We have worked endlessly to inform, enlighten and raise your concerns with those in authority, in a legal and passive manner.
We ask all of you to conduct yourselves in a similar, respectful manner in order that the incident today is never repeated, and that innocent people are not held responsible for someone elses actions.
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Who has been arrested and why?
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Scunner, I completely agree with you about all those charities that haven't achieved anything. I personally contacted so many of them and not one of them has done anything. I think the power is in what the local people are doing, what Dolphin Angels are doing.
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OK I have to ask, ummmm what is TLF
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Turkish Living Forum. Another chat forum but not run anywhere near as well as CBF, in my opinion.
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Also agree i have emailed countless organisations and newspapers i have only just today had a reply from the wspca uk and i emailed them back in March.
Today i have trawled through the marine connection website and their list of celebrity friends and have contacted them on their facebook pages. Dont know if it will do any good.
Think its the old saying if you want anythig doing do it yourself?
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WDCS, the Whale and Dolphin Conservation Society emailed me back today from an email sent just yesterday, but only to say they couldnt open the facebook link.
I think it would be handy to have the videos posted somewhere accessible to everyone. Would do it but not sure how. Have sent them the link today to this thread....
I joined and posted on a facebook group committed to whales and dolphins a link to free the Olu Deniz dolphins.Totally ignored it. Their status link today is ''The basis of all animal rights should be the Golden Rule: we should treat them as we would wish them to treat us, were any other species in our dominant position'' - great, but how about acknowledging my link?
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I was advised at the start that Brian May from Queen was into Animal Rights.
I asked for his help and have had no reply. I thought he might even put a bit on his website but no he is too busy fighting for the foxes and trying to prevent govt letting the Hoi Poloi hunt them.
Even if he had stood up and signed the petition it would have given folks a wee boost.
Asked Blue Peter to educate kids.. no answer.
I did go "undercover" to ask a woman who has dolphin trip advertised on her site where I could do it ...Ended up with a lecture about finding another way to see dolphins...I was so chuffed there is god people out there. I did warn her that she would be better removing that part from her website to prevent more folk like me answering her.
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IMPORTANT
A totally innocent person today was taken away on totally imaginary offences.
We have ALWAYS advocated enlightenment and lawful persuasion as our best course of action.
The aggresive behaviour of a few, has now put our peaceful and lawful protest at risk.
PLEASE, PLEASE, DO NOT PUT ANYONES LIVES IN DANGER
We fully understand that the feelings of many are running high, but we repeat, by educating, using peaceful and lawful actions we will
rise above the moral ground of those who profit from this venture and be better respected for it.
It has never been our intention to affect the tourist industry, in fact the opposite is true.
We understood from the outset, that the perception of Hisaronu would be badly affected by the dolphinarium,
We have done all we can to bring this fact to the authorities attention.
We have quoted the high volume of petitioners, all of whom are potential tourists, all of whom are deeply unhappy about the pool being built in their name.
We understood from the start that Europeans would expect the pool to be at least, if not be better, than the European Standards.
We have even suggested better uses for the pool, which would generate more trade to the area, and which would please the european tourists.
We have worked endlessly to inform, enlighten and raise your concerns with those in authority, in a legal and passive manner.
We ask all of you to conduct yourselves in a similar, respectful manner in order that the incident today is never repeated
APOLOGIES FOR REPEATING THIS MESSAGE BUT.......
WE CANNOT OVER STRESS AND AFFORD TO OVERLOOK THE ABOVE
a very serious incident took place today
we are unable to divulge any more details
please ALL read above and take note
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Having read the hurriyet article I am amazed that ibrahim Dilek, the manager of the site, and Cathy Williamson from The Whale and Dolphin Conservation Society have admitted that the dolphins are stressed and this is probably caused by being transported and/or their new surroundings. Neither have highlighted that the dolphins will have to do this twice a year. How many times can an animal go through this level of stress before they give up. I ask you if every 6 months you had something so stressful happen to you that it took 2 weeks to recover how long do you think you would last.
I must also agree with Scunner and the others that feel that the large organised charities are doing nothing. They seem to have lost the point of what they were set up to do PROTECT ANIMALS.
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Hi I am ertan ,working in Ölüdeniz Activities Unlimited travel Agency.We are really against to the Dolphine park in Hisarönü and the other dolphine pools.We do not sell any tickets for dolphine parks or make any advertisement for it.If anybody claims that we sell or make advertisement for it,should come and talk to us and prove that.There are two boys in the office with me.I spend most of my time in the office (13 hours)and have extra control for anything about ticket sellings.I know them very well and believe them ,they will not sell or advertise the dolphine park.I really wonder that you could prove that we sell any tickets for dolphine park or not.
We all do against selling tickets or advertise it,
regards,
ertan
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Thank you Ertan of Activities Unlimited,
This is an excellent example of how with knowledge, an independant, educated, stance is taken with morals being put before profit.
We and the dolphins welcome you and your staffs support.
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Dolphin Angels, I visit the site everyday, I speak to anybody who stops to look, should I be more careful now? What kind of trumped up charge was it? This is the kind of ****e we are up against in this village of ours.
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will mail you - ok you need to make at least one more post for your mail to show.
Yes you should be careful... no one should go alone
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It will be impossible for them to create imaginary incidences with every single person who walks past the pool and talks to others.
Many, many people are concerned, and check in at the pool on a regular, even daily basis without incident.
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incidently, the gendarma treated the victim with the utmost respect and courtesy for which the victim is extremely grateful.
A statement has been issued to the consulate for their information.
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What a disgrace Dolphin Angels!! We all know the Russian tells lies, what else is he going to come up with. At least the victim is OK and was treated respectfully!
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Here is LOL and Hurriyet article for those who weren't able to access it... but link here again anyway
http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/n.php?n=owner-remains-confident-of-success-as-dolphins-arrive-in-hisaronu-oludeniz-2010-06-10
Monday, June 14, 2010
Jane Akatay
FETHiYE, Mugla - Hürriyet Daily News
Owner remains confident of success as dolphins arrive in Hisarönü, Ölüdeniz
International protests against the opening of a dolphinarium in Ölüdeniz have apparently been to no avail as two male Mediterranean bottle nosed dolphins, Misha and Tom, arrived in Hisarönü on Tuesday at 11 a.m. They are now acclimatizing to their new home in the mountain resort above Ölüdeniz in the province of Mugla in southwest Turkey.
The dolphins were transported Tuesday morning from Kaş in a refrigerated van, sedated, smothered in an aqueous cream to keep their skin moist and wrapped in foam and surrounded by ice. A Kaş based vet signed the necessary paper work and the two traveled slowly to their new home in Hisarönü, in the mountains above Ölüdeniz.
The relevant authorities have visited the site and owner Aleksandr Kuznetsov expects the approval required to open for business before long. The National Park manager in Fethiye, Sedat Kalcaz, has been reported as repeatedly saying that no license would be forthcoming until the dolphins were in the pool and their condition had been observed by the appropriate officials.
The manager of the dolphinarium, ibrahim Dilek said: "The animals will take some time to acclimatize to their new surroundings, maybe up to two weeks. In the mean time, they may be a little stressed but eventually they will calm down. At the moment they are bobbing up and down vertically but this behavior is normal. They need to adjust to their surroundings."
Cathy Williamson, Captivity Program Manager at The Whale and Dolphin Conservation Society is concerned the behavior may be symptomatic of a more serious problem. "The bobbing behavior may be a demonstration of the dolphins behaving stereotypically or listlessly," she said in an e-mail. "This may be the result of the stress of the transport and adapting to a new situation. Transportation can be very risky for cetaceans and adaptation to a new environment takes its toll on their health."
The pool was prepared in previous weeks: leaks and subsidence were repaired and the sea and fresh water mix has now reached a temperature of 21 degrees Centigrade. According to the dolphin's owner, Aleksandr Kuznetsov, this is considerably cooler, and thus more comfortable, than the sea temperature they tolerated in Kaş, which at the height of the summer could reach 31 degrees Centigrade.
Workmen are presently building a large, blue fabric tent to protect them from the sun as well as curious passersby, in part because it will be at least another two weeks before the dolphins are ready to swim with paying customers.
To help the dolphins relax, colleagues of the owner swam with them and stroked them, saying that "dolphins do not make a special bond with anyone in particular, but they benefit from the company of people and enjoy swimming with them as a sort of way to pass the time."
Not every one is happy with the arrival of the dolphins. Bayram Salman, a local business owner, believes his views are representative of many businesses in Hisarönü. "Personally, I wish the whole dolphinarium project had been handled differently. No one knew it was happening and the business community weren't involved in the decision making process at any stage even though it has been done in their name. Personally I would have been happier if they hadn't come. If the business don't sell any tickets, maybe it will close."
Dogan Eraslan, another business owner, said: "Now the dolphins are here and I wish they were still free in the sea. We must prepare to educate people about them. I mean, a dolphin always appears to be smiling, even when it is suffering. It is the natural shape of their mouths, but we humans misread their expressions."
Meryem Tekin, a marine biologist and Fethiye representative of the Izmir-based Underwater Research Society, or SAD, has adopted a pragmatic approach. "Despite all the protests and promises from officials, the dolphins have now arrived in Hisarönü.
"It is not something I approve of as a scientist and animal lover but as they are here I think it is important to maintain contact with both the dolphins and the people running the concern to ascertain the working conditions of the animals, the quality of the pool and of course the well-being of the dolphins themselves."
It is still unclear how the dolphins have adapted to their new surroundings; and the mixed reactions by local businesses and the public further obscures the future of the development. The following weeks will be an anxious time for the dolphinarium owners, local businesses and the more than 5,000 protestors.
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Guest - Claire Corbett
2010-06-14 21:07:41
These poor Dolphins are traumatised. They have been in that pool 7 days, have made no effort to swim and are certainly not interacting with those swimmers (who paid a LOT of money) Has the owner obtained the relevant licences to open? has the pool/dolphins/arrangements been inspected by relevant departments of Government? NO. Is this how things are done in Turkey? Slip the details under the carpet all 'in the name of Tourism'? Shame on all concerned.
Guest - Lynne
2010-06-14 16:20:29
This so called 'dolphinarium' should never have been allowed to get this far, it is disgustingly small, and as I am led to believe, the dolphins will be penned up in an even smaller portion for most of the time, it is inhumane. All tourists visiting the area should be warned about the distress these two dolphins have gone through, and are still tolerating every day.
Guest - Nikki - UK
2010-06-14 15:05:24
Last time an artical relating to this was issued it was on the front page and recieved much resentment, why has this one been hidden away? Lets hope they don't get approval and that the place is shut down. If not lets hope people dont buy tickets and that the locals protest until its closed and the dolphins taken to a sanctuary where they are not kept in a concrete sink, sorry pool.
Make your feelings felt here too
http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/n.php?n=owner-remains-confident-of-success-as-dolphins-arrive-in-hisaronu-oludeniz-2010-06-10
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Well I have posted my reply - but it is being "screened". Will be interesting to see if it is posted.
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Yes it has been printed but horrified to read this comment:
Guest - rita mylow
2010-06-15 11:37:02
We will be staying at Green Forest in July and look forward to swimming with the dolphins. Brilliant!
My reply to her would be unprintable.
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A rather pathetic "wind up" is my guess. I doubt there even is a surname "mylow". Some people have to resort to extremes to fill hugely empty lives.
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apologies if this has been posted before anywhere.Sad reading.
http://tursiops.org/modules.php?name=News&file=print&sid=9611
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Very sad state of affairs that the russian had to resort to making unfounded allegations against an innocent person. And have them arrested.
Has he finally had the intelligence to realize that this IS an international protest, we don't want it (or any of the other Dolphinariums he owns)?
We are not going to stop campaigning against this cruelty just because he managed to slip the poor Dolphins into the pool in the middle of the night. Fait Accompli? I don't so. Bullying tactics or not.
If forced we will fight this all the way to Court: :)
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"Traveling to Kas was expensive because of the distance. Getting here from Antalya or Dalyan is easier and less expensive"
Getting to Hisaronu from Antalya is easier than getting to Kas for Antalya?
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I have been trying to add photos, but have no idea how to..... I took one today, they now have big signs up, so I guess its opening soon :(
By the way, a couple of Villa owners have been into the Activities Hisaronu office and have asked for posters for their villas, they were printed off and supplied....
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I just do NOT understand how this can still be going on! No one wants this stupid concrete tank there and it's not even according to any kind of rules or regulations! How on earth is this Russian getting away with this!!!?? Who is ultimately responsible for all this? Who makes the final decision? I would love to know!!! Surely any local government would see that this is just wrong!
Sorry, just had an angry moment... just so appalled by it all.
Dolphin Angels, would you be able to tell me who is ultimately responsible, who makes the final decision (sorry if you have posted this before already, but I'm a bit confused regarding all the people we have been contacting :-) ). Thanks! You are stars!! x
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Originally posted by peecee
Very sad state of affairs that the russian had to resort to making unfounded allegations against an innocent person. And have them arrested.
Has he finally had the intelligence to realize that this IS an international protest, we don't want it (or any of the other Dolphinariums he owns)?
We are not going to stop campaigning against this cruelty just because he managed to slip the poor Dolphins into the pool in the middle of the night. Fait Accompli? I don't so. Bullying tactics or not.
If forced we will fight this all the way to Court: :)
Well said peecee!! I for one am in this to the end of all Dolphinariums in Turkey! It will be a long hard slog but one - by one we can close them down!!
The Russian only had permission to import 30 dolphins into Turkey!! If you count up how many have already died and how many are still in 'Hellholes' I don't think the figures add up!! I think somebody posted the same info on here many pages ago!!
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Have just received this reply from wspa/uk,
i had emailed them to let them know of my dissapointment at taking 2 months to reply to my email about this.
Am not impressed and did think twice about posting it but felt i should?
Dear Karen.
I'm so sorry you have not had a more positive response, I completely understand your frustration. WSPA's resources are already committed to programmes of work that will improve the welfare of literally millions of animals world wide. If we were to attend to this issue it would require us to pull resources away from these major programmes of work. This would have a significantly damaging impact on our progress in these other areas we have already promised to attend to. This would be especially acute given the thousands of requests we receive to attend to situations like the one you quite rightly are highlighting.
The fact is that there are simply way too many animal welfare problems for the animal welfare movement to possibly attend to and if animal welfare organisations don't focus on the issues they are committing to, they won't even solve those problems.
I would suggest contacting the local Finnish authorities if you believe something illegal is happening. Otherwise, the most appropriate organisations would be the European Association of Zoos and Aquaria (link: http://www.eaza.net/Pages/European%20Association%20of%20Zoos%20and%20Aquaria.aspx ) and WSPA member society the Whale and Dolphin Conservation Society (link: http://www.wdcs.org/ ) who may be able to provide further help.
If you have any further questions, please don't hesitate to contact us again via Ask A Question at http://www.wspa.org.uk/help or by calling us on 0800 316 9966 or 0044 20 7239 0500 if you're outside the UK (Monday to Friday, 9am to 5pm UK time) and we'll be happy to help.
Kind regards,
Christopher Stransom
Supporter Services Manager
WSPA UK
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Just posted my thoughts on the hurriet comment page, doubt my comment will be displayed though as I felt I had to mention my son's autism due to the fact that the "Russian" claims to be able to cure / help autism on his Kas website is he for real! all parents of autistic children/ adults would all be trying this therapy out if this were true or feasible. This does not detract from poor Micha and Tom's plight but again by highlighting facts like this if this helps to deter anyone from swimming with dolphins for whatever reasons then happy to mention one of life's subjects that a lot of people feel unhappy discussing.
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This from Oceanic Preservation Society The people who made The Cove Film
We have received many e-mails surrounding this issue and know that their are many passionate activists working ot convince the government to close the dolphinarium being built. At this stage, seeing as the facility is already built actions are going to speak much stronger than words. Protest if you can and encourage others to do so as well. Stand in front of the dolphinarium and educate others about why it is wrong and how they can help the cause. The more people you have behind you, especially if they are threatening the financial viability of the business, the more progress you will see.
As a precaution please please please research any and all laws surrounding protesting in Turkey before you make any plans. Be aware of the situation you may be in if you decide to protest and something does happen. Best of luck and stay strong! You have many people supporting you.
So remember here in Turkey its illegal to organize a group protest outside the venture, but carry on all the good work
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Very poor response from WSPA.... very disappointing. I contacted them as well, but no response yet... To me this situation is quite a desperate one and they are not responding... very very disappointing...
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Those of us who have spent much time e-mailing know that there is so much cruelty in this world. It will take a piece of luck for us to just hit on the right organisation, with the time and resources to help. We must persevere and not get disheartened by some responses,
At least the Oceanic Preservation society has acknowledged the fact they have had many e-mails. I like this part of the response posted, "The more people you have behind you, especially if they are threatening the financial viability of the business, the more progress you will see. " This we can most certainly do, but then we have to find a way to truly help these dolphins to get them away from this evil man, which is why we need official support, I believe.
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Dear Krieny
we all feel your frusttation. Unfortunately Turkey does not have any laws that directly apply to Dolphins and this particular issue cuts across a number of Ministries such as Environment, Agriculture (National Parks), Forestry and on and on.
No one Ministry wants to take responsibility for this debacle and part of the reason for all the emails to all the different departments is because they are all have a potential role or say one way or another.
The chain of command is the local Mayor and Belediye, then the Kaymakam for the Fethiye area then the Mugla Vali for the province and then the Ministry of Agriculture who has a department in Mugla but ultimately the Ministry of Agriculture in Ankara is responsible although they are trying to pretend otherwise.
The Ministry of Interior is responsible for Mayors!!!
However lets look at the positives. This "Dolphin Park" was scheduled to open at the beginning of the season; beginning of May.
We are now fast approaching the end of June.
There is still no licence to open although the Ministry of Agriculture was there at the pool today in the form of three men with clipboards and an unhappy looking Russian.
We have a resort covering Oludeniz, Hisaronu, Ovacik. Fethiye and Calis with barely a local tour operator in sight willing to sell tickets and all the big operators such as Thomas Cook, TUI, Cosmos and Exclusive Escapes won't touch this with a barge pole and are warning their guests to stay away.
Hotel, bar, restaurant and shop owners are opposed in growing numbers and a campaign on the ground that is growing in support, numbers and action everyday.
The so called Dolphin Park is a shambles; makeshift, tacky and clearly built on a shoestring budget hence the leaking pool and subsidence and a filtration system that can't cope with the 25-30 kilos (equivelent in weight to one suitcase that qualifies for excess baggage charges) of Dolphin poop excreted every day.
When at a government office recently we were delighted to see our photographs of the subsidence appear on the Head of the Departments computer followed by the opening of Calis Beach Forum Topic on the Dolphin Protest.
It may seem that we have achieved very little but actually we have achieved rather a lot.
And just to conclude, whatever fate dictates in terms of the licence rest assured that this is by no means over and the next steps are about to come into play....
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Glad of the positive news! When you don't get replies from the many e mails you send out you do get a bit downhearted. Thanks for keeping us all updated DOLPHIN ANGELS!! I for one won't give up and I don't think many others will either!!
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My friend has just bought into Starfish bar at Yaniklar beach, Cadianda bring quadbikes there everyday They will not support the Dolphins trip Also I will print off poster and put up there, I also have poster in Fig shop which I run. On Yaniklar when i am there I speak to customers about how bad this place is We have Russian and German customers coming from Magestic Tuana they mainly didnt know but are now against the venture , So hopefully spreading the word
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We are serving up literally thousands of pages to visitors based in Russia. Up until recently, this was pretty much unheard of here on CBF :)
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Wow! Really!!! Does this mean they are in Russia or they are Russians logging on from here via Russian web sites - sorry if this sounds a bit thick!
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For June to date 5,254 pages but only 37 different IPs
That means a very few people are each (on average) reading a huge amount of CBF pages. These are pages read from Russia itself, now number 3 in the CBF charts for pages read, broken down by country after Turkey then UK. This from a country that didn't appear in the top 30 last year.
Pages viewed from Russia (June 2010 month to date): 5,254
Pages viewed from Russia (January 2009 to January 2010): 419
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This is a Billion $ industry in Turkey and if it is true that Alexsandr does not own but rents the Dolphins the real owner plus no doubt all his mafia mates are pretty hacked off with us...
We could be the beginning of the end to the Dolphin money making machine here in Turkey. I am sure they are very interested in what we are up to... unless they are just checking the which boat trip to book or which restaurant to eat at pages... ;)
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Hope they all get the message that thanks to you Keith we can watch what they are doing just as they are watching what local protestors are doing!!
As they will read this.........
WE WILL NOT STOP UNTIL THIS DOLPHINARIUM IS JUST A MEMORY!!
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Would a computer bought in Russia and used in Turkey show an IP address of Turkey or Russia?
Could it be his own laptop that is one of IP addresses?
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I put Something on Wickipedia about him an hour later it was off.
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The IP address is allocated by the internet service provider. So if the Russian is using his laptop he would have to go through a Turkish ISP. Great info from Keith over 5000 pages from only 37 IPs are any of them registered to education or government ISPs. This could show that the Russian government or one of the universities may be taking an interest in how this protest progresses.
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Originally posted by heather07
I put Something on Wickipedia about him an hour later it was off.
Wikipedia is moderated just like a forum. So if they felt that your page was not factual and you were not able to back up any allegation they will remove it. You could try redoing it with simply the facts we know about him but I don't think that this will get our point across. Also remember that he can edit the page adding what he likes and it could end up as an advert for the dolphin pit
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Whilst I appreciate the sentiments from the big organisations that they're busy saving the rest of the World surely they could have found time to email the Ministries involved to highlight their concerns (if any).
Good news about 3 clipboards and an unhappy Russian.
ps please don't give him a name, don't feel he is the same species as me ;)
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A few days ago I sent this email to the President of this wonderful country
Dear sir,
Whilst I appreciate this is probably not in your remit I am writing to you to express my disgust that this Dolphinarium has opened in Hisaronou.
Two Dolphins were yesterday put in a swimming pool no larger than an average swimming pool which is too small, has no filtration system and has not followed the guidelines of your Government. No licences have been issued for this and the health issues are enormous. This is a tourist attraction whereby people 'can swim the Dolphins'.
Hisaronou is a very popular tourist area and anyone swimming with these Dolphins will, in my and 9000 other opinions invariably catch some kind of disease. Hardly a good endorsement for Turkey or the Turkish Tourist industry.
All rules, regulations and laws have been ignored, I would assume for the sake of money.
A sad, sad day for this country.
Yours faithfully,
I received this response last night:-
Dear Ms. (I've removed my name, don't want Russian to know) ,
We have received the e-mail you sent on 9th/June/2010
Your e-mail has been examined by the Presidency and forwarded to the relevant department.
On behalf of His Excellency President Abdullah Gül, we would like to extend our thanks to you for your great interest.
With best wishes,
Perhaps others would like to write to him :)
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I have just received an email back from WDCS (Whale and Dolphin Conservation Society) who tell me they are aware of the situation and that the Captivity team is looking into it and will get back to me as soon as possible. Please - surely our prayers have to be answered soon ?
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If they'd died in transit through stress, or died soon after entering the pool, the impressively titled Whale and Dolphin Society would have "looked into to" until it was far too late. It may yet still be. Will they strike while the iron is cold? Highly disappointing organisation. You'd think there were 30 similar dolphin pools opening every day around the World the way these organisations have reacted to it.
These two dolphins could have died and could still die while they sit around in offices "looking into it". It would be an outrage if relief organisations left people trapped under 15 storeys of concrete after an earthquake while they "look into it", but fine for those dedicated specifically to the welfare of dolphins to do similar.
Scandalous.
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Just received another email from WDCS - a Cathy Williamson - Captivity Programme Manager 'We are also very upset to learn that the dolphins have been moved to Oludeniz. We wrote to the authorities with our concerns more than once about this project and it is really important to keep up the pressure on the authorities to implement legislation to protect dolphins in captivity and to try to prevent further such facilities from establishing. I am not very surprised to learn the dolphins are showing signs of distress as transport is an important risk and conditions at the facility sound and look very poor. It seems there is no veterinarian who can attend to them which is completely unacceptable. We will see what we can do to try to help them further. '
Perhaps more people contacting Cathy and applying pressure may help them move the subject to the top of their priorities.....
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Agree Scunner - these people seem willing to take our money - why dont they just ask us to pay it straight into their pension funds to save paperwork?
Anyway CEO of this outfit is Chris Butler-Stroud and his FB site is at
http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=358308272654&v=wall#!/profile.php?id=1023042290&ref=search
Picture on there looks as though he has a set of golf clubs over his shoulder?????
Massage him and get him off the golf course and back to what he is bloody well paid for
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Anti-Dolphinarium Avatar Info: {A Link to an old CBF topic was here - no longer available}36071
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I understand that Cathy (WDCS) is now in touch with Nichola - and has now watched the video. I don't want to damage any relationship that Nichola and Cathy are building........but fingers crossed that there may be something they can do.
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Originally posted by kaptainkrunchie
Agree Scunner - these people seem willing to take our money - why dont they just ask us to pay it straight into their pension funds to save paperwork?
Anyway CEO of this outfit is Chris Butler-Stroud and his FB site is at
http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=358308272654&v=wall#!/profile.php?id=1023042290&ref=search
Picture on there looks as though he has a set of golf clubs over his shoulder?????
Massage him and get him off the golf course and back to what he is bloody well paid for
And just received the following response
"nope its a camera, I was on a dolphin survey"
Flippant maybe, BUT A RESPONSE AT LAST!!!!!!
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On a recent 3 day cruise I met a couple staying in Ovacik who told me they had been left leaflets in their apartment advertising this "activity" They agree it is an abomination and will be destroying this info when they return to the apartment at the end of the week. Will be visiting the site soon to see what practical help I can give. In the meantime responding to newspaper articles (if they are willing to print it) hounding tourist travel agents and still printing off posters which I am giving out. Uzumlu are behind the campaign. Also e mailing everyone in sight. Keep up the good and valuable work
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Massage him and get him off the golf course and back to what he is bloody well paid for.....Massage him! Not bl**dy likely:D
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Spotted a vehicle in town today with Sun/The Times/Telegraph blazoned across it. Are they reps of the newspapers or what?
Sun and The Times are owned by the same group, if the Sun is prepared to publish something then perhaps Times will follow suit?
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That is the van that is used to deliver the English newspapers to the shops. ;)
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About bloomin' time - wonder if they have found the way to Hisaronu yet!
Visit the FB group Free the Dolphins to see the most appalling photos of the Dolphins being unloaded from a refrigerated fruit and veg truck
I deleted this link as it didnt go to the pics you wanted?
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Just thought I would let you know. The Sun newspaper are going to phone me tomorrow. So tonight I will have to sit down and write names/dates etc and all the factual things that have happened. Any help is greatly appreciated. Will let you know how it goes. :) :)
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Originally posted by tribalelder
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Massage him and get him off the golf course and back to what he is bloody well paid for.....Massage him! Not bl**dy likely:D
Ever heard of a Choking kneck massage???
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Thanks for your response to my request Dolphin Angels, that's very helpful!
Regarding WDCS, I have worked there in the past and I know they truly care about dolphins in captivity. I am sure that if the captivity department could do more, they would. And Chris Butler-Stroud is one of the nicest people you could meet. But I have to agree that a more straightforward approach by them would be very welcome. Only writing a few letters is not going to get these dolphins anywhere. It would be great if they could organize something with maximum impact, that is what I would expect from these organizations. Unfortunately nothing is happening...! Disappointing... I guess once an organization like WDCS grows bigger and bigger it becomes more of a business than a charity. The mission of the organization gets lost somewhere down the line. I have seen it happen with several charities. They talk the talk, but do they walk the walk? I still hope they will come up with something!
I must say I am very encouraged by what you said Dolphin Angels! A lot has been achieved and this is far from over!! Again, you are all stars, keep up your amazing work!
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Originally posted by krieny
I guess once an organization like WDCS grows bigger and bigger it becomes more of a business than a charity.
Well that's the point - as they get bigger the chances of them actually visiting distressed dolphins lessens. Sounds to me that ultimately they'll be an organisation that replies to emails eventually and never leave the office. Which is pretty useless when you have dolphins struggling in a concrete tank.
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As much as I love WDCS, I have to agree. I am more of a hands-on person. I don't mind getting my hands dirty. That's why I love Ric O'Barry so much, he doesn't care what anyone says, he's just out there, doing the work. I wish he had more time at the moment as he would be in Turkey right now, but he has his hands full with The Cove and Japan, so can't blame him for that. But the point is, I know that he would have personally come out to see these dolphins and do whatever it takes, even if he would get arrested.
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To me this is a desperate situation and action is needed! I don't understand why none of these big organizations have any funds to help out! How much more desperate can it get?!! These animals are suffering every minute of every day...
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Probably sound thick now but does anybody have any contacts with Turkish celebrities who would be willing to help out raising awareness to the public?
I have been posting messages on the facebook pages of any british ones i can think of?
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skipking...i think you will find that that is happening right now ;)
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The problem with charities that have become that big is that emotion goes out the window.
They employ business men who are in it to make money for the organisation which is why such a small proportion goes to fight the cause. T
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I am setting up the mighty impressively named CAMPAIGN for REAL ACTION for PORPOISES
Please send lots of donations to support CRAP
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GREENPEACE in Turkey have deleted several comments in the past few hours regarding the dolphins
They have also disabled their comments on FB so no one can add anything to their FB page
UNBELIEVABLE and these people want us to make donations (That part still open)
I have sent following to their (nodoubt luxurious) HQ in Amsterdam
"supporter.services@int.greenpeace.org
It seems that I am unable to put any comment on your Turkish (Akdeniz) Facebook site
People who have put comments on regarding SAVE THE HISARONU DOLPHINS have hade their comments erased
Why?
Most of our lives people make donations to your cause - Once in a lifetime we need your help. You take our money and then turn your back on us.
Am I cynical - Oh YES
Your income is almost £2,000,000 a year - where does this go? Pension fund, coffee machines, cars and hotels??? NOT where people expect it to go - saving Whales, Dolphins and Sharks
Sorry, Green peace, you have lost a lifelong supporter.
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Agree kaptainkrunchie, it has to be said!
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They are all like the sales assistants in Currys - everywhere, until you need one.
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Exactly! It's a good lesson to learn though, it's a big shame it has to be when there is real animal suffering involved...it's wrong!
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Please copy and paste this to your Facebook Profile
Court action needed to get this stopped. If every member of the Facebook Group Free the Ölüdeniz Dolphins donated just £1 to Animal Aid the legal charity that is managing the funds for legal action then we CAN raise enough to cover costs.
Better still join those in Turkey organising fund raising events - do something back home (UK/USA/Germany/Wherever) to raise awareness of Misha & Toms plight and raise some cash too. Copy and paste this to YOUR FB profile and for more info on how to donate money follow this link
{A Link to an old CBF topic was here - no longer available}36076
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There's a swim with dolphins ad on this page
dolphinconnectionsexperience.com
disappeared now[?]
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I'm sure everyone has already thought about it but I've just sent an email to my friends/family abroad.
I attached the links to the Facebook page (now there's more photos and videos) plus the comment from Dolphin Angel regarding £1 donation from all facebook members.
I've also asked them to send it on to all on their email contact lists.
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Any news on those t shirts? It would be a good way to get our message across- I am often in the paspatur in Fethiye-so lots of people would see my t shirt-who knows may even get my hubbie to wear one and he's there everyday!!!
Oh yes-I know the hippy jewellery man-he would most certainly wear one-he is a cool chappy!
By the way the teddy bear picnic was lovely on Saturday-throughly enjoyed my cheesecake, and having a look around-thanks for all your hard work and effort animal aid team.
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We were up to Hisaronu on Tuesday and looked through the fence to see the Dolphins. Of course we have read all the threads but actually seeing them is really shocking. We saw some English people looking through the fence and explained to them what was going on, they were discussed and as shocked as us. Later on we saw a Zabata vehicle parked outside and when we looked through there was a meeting going on with men with clipboards speaking to a group of people whilst two blonde girls where standing "playing" with the Dolphins. I could not stop thinking about these poor creatures and thinking how they should be out at sea swimming free instead of being stuck in a swimming pool, what a tragedy.
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There's a swim with dolphins ad on this page
dolphinconnectionsexperience.com
disappeared now[?]
Blocked now, thanks for that.
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I will contact all the members on the A VOICE FOR CAPTIVE DOLPHINS group and website to get the funds in for the court case! Is there any other way besides pay pal people can donate? Thanks! Let's do this!!!! Made a t-shirt which should arrive today about captivity. I will be wearing it proudly and speak to everyone about what Misha and Tom are going through! Will also think about any fundraising we can do in the UK. Perhaps this is where WDCS can help out! Woohoo, feeling good, lets take some serious action to help Misha and Tom!!!
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Just posted on Facebook
Dear friends, Thank you to everyone who has written to the Born Free Foundation with concerns about the Hisaronu dolphins. We are already involved in this campaign but value your compassion and drive to help these individual animals. I hope that you will be interested to work with us to stop this exploitation.
Born Free... welcomes such reports from the compassionate public about animal neglect and suffering, and we have an online complaints form for people to send in their reports (www.bornfree.org.uk/TAA). We work to try to alleviate captive wild animal suffering worldwide, working with governments, the tourism industry and individuals to help animals in need.
Born Free has been working with the travel industry to use their influence to persuade the Turkish authorities to close the dolphin attraction in Hisaronu, Oludeniz and relocate the dolphins. Although we would love to see these animals released to the wild, from where they probably originated, a short-term solution to this current, horrific situation is to take them back to Kas. We are urging the public, and indeed yourselves to help us in this endeavour. By clicking on the link below, you will find out how you can get involved. Please ensure that any correspondence written to the Turkish authorities is polite and factual. Dolphin facts can be found on the Born Free website to help you.
Thank you for looking out for animals.
Best regards
Daniel Turner
Unfortunately Kaş is no longer an option as there is a marina there now... but anyway!
DA
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A real response at last! Can I ask what has happened to the Kas facility? Were Misha and Tom the only two dolphins there?
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Well credit where due for Born Free Foundation - doing something a little more than what most of the others are (which is telling us to do the protesting bit and not give up!)
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Born Free Marine Campaign News 16/06/10 link :-
http://www.bornfree.org.uk/news/news-article/?no_cache=1&tx_ttnews[tt_news]=528
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The Kas operation is now closed and the Owner is talking about keeping the Dolphins in Hisaronu ALL YEAR AROUND! The new marina extends along the coast line where the Dolphins were kept there in 2 small holding pens.
So much for the break and the recovery of their sonar abilities even if conditions there weren't much better.
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Have just spoken to The Sun newspaper. They are aware of the situation and are now in the process of writing an artical which should be featured tomorrow. Lets hope this is the publicity that gets the ball rolling.
But just because we are getting this publicity please dont become complaicant and think that you cant do ...anything. The more people we get writing into the papers and to tv programns the more this will make the public aware. This is not the only dolphinarium in the world that keep these beautiful creatures in bad conditions. When this is all over our next step should be to close them all down.
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Well done spongey :D
You are right that this is not a time to become complacent - if the story appears tomorrow, it will probably be gone and forgotten by the day after.
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Not forgotten by the Turkish newspapers though. They always pick up on news coverage in the foreign papers about Turkey and cover it over here too so will be great for spreading awareness around Turkey and hopefully shame the government dept responsible into refusing this licence.
Well done to you JS
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T-shirts coming in white and a soft sea blue colour and also bags like the Carniavl one - sure to be a best seller as they are the perfect size for the beach...
someone on FB suggested t-shirts in childrens sizes too so will pass this on.
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Have you got a price list. I would love a bag.
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One thing that's occured to me - Kas has shut down, so Misha and Tom can't return there over the winter. Also, the Russian has said that he's going to increase the size of the pool for next year. That begs the question what will happen to Misha and Tom whilst he expands the pool?
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well, if we don't get them out of there pretty quickly, he may not have that problem to worry about :(
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Fair point Pookie. Lets hope it doesn't come to it, but not sure how long court proceedings would take in Turkey.
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There won't be a pool for the Dolphins FUL STOP we WILL get it closed
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Lets hope it doesn't come to it, but not sure how long court proceedings would take in Turkey.
In short Yonks:(
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well it won't happen overnight but we have to start somewhere...
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I'm glad the Sun are doing something. My partner and I emailed them along with as many others as we could think of and no responses. I guess its a case of enough poeple highlighting the issue to make them realise the scale of the problem. Well done and thanks jamsponge for going the extra bit and phoning them.
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or getting the right photos - my money is on the ones of the Dolphins being delivered!!! Hope it isn't a slag off Turkey piece
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Would agree with Dolphin angels, Hisaronou is a fabulous place to go for a family holiday and it would be a great shame to dismiss it outright just because of this appalling tourist attraction. Just don't go and pay £50 per person for 6 minutes of stroking a dolphin:D.
The Dolphins don't seem to want to swim, play or interact with people at the moment. If you watched the Facebook video you can understand why.
Really good news regarding Born Free but wish they had stepped up a little bit sooner. Perhaps all the other 'big boys' will stand up and be counted now?
Kas is definitely not an option because there is no 'Dolphin pool' and it was owned by the Russian anyway. Not a good route to go down.
Perhaps he can be 'persuaded' by the Turkish government to release them to the wild?
The group who own the Sun also owns The Times. Perhaps they'll step up and highlight this attrocity?
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Originally posted by peecee
Not a good route to go down.
Perhaps he can be 'persuaded' by the Turkish government to release them to the wild?
The group who own the Sun also owns The Times. Perhaps they'll step up and highlight this attrocity?
But can captive dolphins be released into the wild - I'm assuming they would need a lengthly rehabilitation programme before hand.....?
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yes they would and we have been provided with a HManual by WDCS on exactly how to do this. It does take time and will cost some money.
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We can raise the money if needed and if everybody pulls together.
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BREAKING NEWS
Have just got back from the local Min of Agriculture - just one hour before the Russian was there. He said if he does not open in one week he will sink. No money left.
The Min of Ag told us that they have been told by Ankara that they CAN NOT give a licence.
7000 emails received in Mugla Vali - thats us guys!!!!!
More news as it comes in.
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Good news! I will believe it when it closes, lets not celebrate anything til them dolphins have been released.
:)
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Please let us hope that this is the case.
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No money left? He had the "facility" built and moved the poor animals in before even getting the required paperwork. Who does that when money is short??? He gambled, looks like he lost?
The question is, when Kas was closed, was Hisaronu not just plan B but also the only place to move the dolphins to...and if so, will another swimming pool be started in another area as another stop gap?
Agree with Andy - there is nothing to celebrate yet, but well done dolphin angels - dedication that is a lesson to us all.
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Hi guys, Ive spoken to my cousin who works at GMTV again to see if he can put the story in front of the correct people, cant promise anything but I will keep going on until he gets sick of me asking :) x
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"He said if he does not open in one week he will sink. No money left" no doubt emotional blackmail but the bit about Ankara - dare we hope??
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Ecellent news Dolphin Angels.
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OMG fingers crossed!!!! Have the biggest smile right now, but trying to be sensible and not get hopes up.
People power is an amazing thing and theres certainly some truly amazing people on here who have worked tirelessly on this.
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fantastic!!!!!!
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Great news but please lets not celebrate till it's official.
I'm hoping and praying that it's not a story being fed to us to fool us into backing off.
Keep up the pressure and ask the lawyer to see the instruction from Ankara denying him the license.
Not trying to put a damper on things but from experience, they play all sorts of tricks to try and get campaigners to back off, they played exactly the same card of bankrupcy with the cement factory fight.
Fi
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While it is FANTASTIC news agree we should not celebrate and get the champagne out just yet!!
Please don't forget Ankara dolphinarium does not have a licence either, but they are open.
Hopefully this is the start of the end of all Dolphinariums in Turkey!!
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No ones leaving anything to chance and this could just be a load of old balony! Wouldn't be the first time.
So the fight goes on and we remain dedicated to the end whether next week. next month or next year!!!
We will try to get written confirmation - in the meantime the work and the fundraising continues. We mayneed to o t court to have this ratified although wouldn't it be nice if we were raising funds for rehabilitation... instead!
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Good News........... dolphins belong in the sea not Hisaronu
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Originally posted by Dolphin Angels
No ones leaving anything to chance and this could just be a load of old balony! Wouldn't be the first time.
So the fight goes on and we remain dedicated to the end whether next week. next month or next year!!!
We will try to get written confirmation - in the meantime the work and the fundraising continues. We mayneed to o t court to have this ratified although wouldn't it be nice if we were raising funds for rehabilitation... instead!
Wouldn't it be fantastic if we could get Misha & Tom into Re-hab!!
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Fantastic news if true. This is going to be egg on the faces of those who 'helped' the Russian with this venture. Wonder if those businesses who were in favour realize they have STILL lost business?
This won't be forgotten in a hurry.
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Quite
"We are very pleased that the dolphins are coming to Hisarönü. The piece of land they are using is directly opposite our bar,"
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Would that be Nadia's Bar????
Must remember that name and avoid it like the plague...: :)
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Has anybody noticed if Nadia's is getting any business from people going to see dolphins?
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Just appeared on Facebook
http://www.wdcs.org/news_int.php?select=712
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Brilliant Heather07. Lets hope that The Sun runs with the story, and that other media outlets follow it aswell. Fingers crossed that we aren't being fed a bit of flannel by Min of Ag.
I hope the Russian Bas***d (pardon my language) goes bankrupt....Would serve him right, the arrogant, evil Sod!!
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And Born Free - they have been in touch several times over past day or two...
http://www.bornfree.org.uk/news/news-article/?no_cache=1&tx_ttnews%5Btt_news%5D=528
and also
It's on youtube here - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-H59nHsTyLM we have thousands of subscribers so hopefully it should spread
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-H59nHsTyLMwww.youtube.com
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rapidly gaining momentum now, keep working!
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Its fabulous - everything seems to be happening at once! Well done to everybody so far, but we haven't won yet. Lets keep at it!
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This is it people, lets keep the pressure on!!! Can anyone tell me where Tom and Misha have been captured originally and how long they have been in captivity? These are key questions when it comes to rehabilitating them. It seems to me these two dolphins have an excellent chance to make it in the wild. They are together,as far as I can see they are not that interested in people and if we know where they were captured, they have a great chance to be just fine in the wild!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I am all for it!!! Ric O'Barry could help with this as well, he has returned many dolphins to the wild successfully. But one step at a time!! We won't stop until these dolphins are free!
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Originally posted by Scunner
Quite
"We are very pleased that the dolphins are coming to Hisarönü. The piece of land they are using is directly opposite our bar,"
Revenge is soooooo sweet
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Originally posted by kaptainkrunchie
quote:
Originally posted by Scunner
Quite
"We are very pleased that the dolphins are coming to Hisarönü. The piece of land they are using is directly opposite our bar,"
Revenge is soooooo sweet
Yes it is isn't it. Everytime we have been past "the bar with no name" there have only been a few Turks in there...and they work there! [xx(]
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Thats fantastic news ... must keep the wildlife organisations on alert though...If the Russian goes bust he will just dump the beautiful Dolphins and they will need us more than ever xxx
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Micha has been videod here in 2006
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iwUjIAjuQ5k
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Just wanted to post this letter here written by Louise Hardy of the Free the Olueniz Dolphins FB group - truly excetional
He is obliged to answer all complaints under the rules of the crown.
Letter to Honorary British Embassy Ankara
For The Attention of Mr David Reddaway
Dear Ambassador
I write today to invite you to take the time to examine a serious public health and animal cruelty issue which is currently evolving in the viillage of Hisaronu, in the province of Mugla.
A new, crudely constructed pool has been constructed. The dimensions are 24 m x 12 m x 4 m and now houses two male bottlenosed dolphins which were transported to Hisaronu from a similar closed down facility in Kas, also owned by a Russian business man, Mr Alexsandr Kuznetsov - we are unsure of his domiciled status at present but assume he has the correct personal paperwork iin order for him to operate in Turkey.
Your website clearly states the expectations of the visitor to Turkey - this includes consideration for the environment, its flora and fauna and indeed the need to alert Embassy officials of any endangered or protected species being abused or mis treated.
I will keep this simple and concise. If the necessary authorities do not investigate this proposed tourist attraction as a matter of urgency, you will very shortly be faced with a serious public health alert in this village. Tourists are reporting that the dolphins are swimming in their own faecal matter on account of insufficient filtration, and poses a huge threat to the spread of salmonella, bacteria and other associated illnesses linked with waterborne disease from marine mammals. Tourists need to be warned not to partake in the swim with dolphins idea in the park - no license has been granted although people are going in the pool un officially.
On a more sinister note, the two dolphins are showing acute signs of distress. They are bobbing up and down in the heavily choorinated pool, dolphins are renowned for deep diving and swimming anything upto 300 miles in one day and these two creatures cannot even swim at all. They are enduring unacceptable noise levels and there is no evidence of them eating anything, only vitamin supplements.
The list of horrors attached to this place is non exhaustive. A facebook support group with approximately 7000 members are campaigning tirelessly for their release from this torture. The Born Free Foundation, WDCS, A Voice For Captive Dolphins are just a few of the charities in the forefront of the campaign to secure their release. Media coverage and celebrity endorsements for this campaign have highlighted the seriousness of their torture.
On an economical issue, many, many people have cancelled holidays to this village purely on account of this dolphinarium. This is a village solely dependant on tourism, and in today's financial climate cannot afford to stand any losses on account of this man's ignorance and audacity.
I implore you to investigate this matter on behalf of the people of Britain, Turkey and Global friends of these two poor creatures and their fellow species enduring similar conditions around Turkey.
As a once citizen of Turkey for many years, it is heartbreaking to see how one person can be allowed to jeopordise the health and safety of our public, and the well being and harmony of these two dolphins.
I await your reply.
Louise Hardy
Member of "Free the Oludeniz Dolphins"
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What a fantastic letter xx Truely from the heart to hit the heart XX
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And People, Once this is all over......
REMEMBER those charities who helped.
REMEMBER EVEN MORE those that turned their back, ignored us OR were just too damned busy attenting functions, drinking tea, or calculating their over-inflated pension funds to do the job they were entrusted with.
WE WILL NOT FORGET THEM
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And GREENPEACE - I DO MEAN YOU!!!!
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So now if this is all true How do we give these 2 dolphins a good life? Or are they stuck in a pool all their lives?
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Originally posted by heather07
Micha has been videod here in 2006
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iwUjIAjuQ5k
Sorry to tell you heather07 this Misha died a few years ago, his replacement also called Misha died as well! As far as we know the dolphin in the 'Hellhole' is the 4th Misha that lived in Kas!!
[:(!]
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We have to win first and then it may not be within our powers to determine what happens to the Dolphins.
However, there is an area (in the sea) not far from here which would be suitable for rehabilitation care and costings are being worked out in the event we are called upon to provide that information at short notice.
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Ok I would be willing to pay towards that If we win
quote:
Originally posted by Dolphin Angels
We have to win first and then it may not be within our powers to determine what happens to the Dolphins.
However, there is an area (in the sea) not far from here which would be suitable for rehabilitation care and costings are being worked out in the event we are called upon to provide that information at short notice.
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Originally posted by Dolphin Angels
We have to win first and then it may not be within our powers to determine what happens to the Dolphins.
However, there is an area (in the sea) not far from here which would be suitable for rehabilitation care and costings are being worked out in the event we are called upon to provide that information at short notice.
Have been a professional seaman for too many years to remember!!!Please conact if you need any help with costings, logistics etc
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We will get the funding together if needed. Let us know Dolphin Angels!!
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Amazing letter Louise, well done!!
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Whilst it's great that the big boys have finally stood up to be counted I, for one, have a couple of concerns regarding the Bornfree comment:-
First of all, the way I read it they have asked people not to visit Hisaronu. A lot of businesses (I'm talking about the good guys who supported the protest) rely on tourists. Bornfree should have stipulated not visitng the Dolphinarium instead of a general comment
Secondly, there is no Dolphinarium at Kas now. These creatures should be freed
Emailed Bornfree asking them to amend it
Sirs,
Thank you for adding your support to the protest to free the Dolphins in Hisaronou. Better late than never.
However, there are a couple of issues I wish to bring to your attention:-
Your article has advised/implored people to avoid Hisaronou. In my opinion this is a very sweeping statement and potentially very damaging to the resort in general. The protest group has had an enormous amount of help and support from many of the local businesses who rely on the tourist trade. This is an excellent resort for a family holiday and should not have been 'damned' en masse.
It would be far more helpful if you had asked people to just avoid the 'dolphinarium'.
Secondly, there is no longer a Dolphinarium in Kas therefore the two Dolphins cannot be returned to it. If we are succesful in closing down the appalling spectacle in Hisaronou then I think our aim would be to get the Dolphins released back into the wild.
And, of course, your advise and input into that venture would be greatly appreciated.
Yours faithfully,
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Lets hope all will be, well soon, its all very sad, and should never have been allowed to happen. That letter is really good.
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Right I am just thinking out loud here so dont shoot me.
The Born free foundation are now getting involved. Didnt seem to want to know UNTIL we get press coverage on this. Perhaps they are thinking we have done the hard work and they are going to take the glory. Like I said just thinking out loud.
And before you shoot me it is great they are now involved.You see Corina Vonk should be congratulated as she has been on board from nearly the begining of all of this. Am I just being very cynical?
As for the news on the russian what happens to the dolphins if he does go bust? And will we have the authority to move them?
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Originally posted by cheers
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Originally posted by heather07
Micha has been videod here in 2006
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iwUjIAjuQ5k
Sorry to tell you heather07 this Misha died a few years ago, his replacement also called Misha died as well! As far as we know the dolphin in the 'Hellhole' is the 4th Misha that lived in Kas!!
[:(!]
I thought it was the same one which is probably why they use the same name. I actually thought although deprived of freedom they had at least survived because they were in the sea.
Everytime you see a positive in this campaign there are a hundred negatives to rule it out. Sickened AGAIN
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Thanks Jamsponge, appreciate your comment so much! Campaigning for dolphins in captivity has been my passion for many years. I wish I could do so much more though... I would be out there right now if I could! For me all appreciation needs to go to the Dolphin Angels though and all the local people in Hisaronu who are doing all the ground work! They are the power behind this campaign! I can't say enough how impressed I am by their work! And it's also amazing how everyone has a place in all of this. Everyone has skills and contacts that they are using for Tom and Misha and this gives me a lot of hope that we will succeed! Everyone involved in this, you are all stars and we will not stop until we get the result we want!
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Spent the evening on Wednesday walking in Hisaranou, and talked to a lot of tourists with excursion brochures, and discussed the dolphins, and asked them all to find out who would be selling tickets when it was open. Unanimously they all said they would. Also Alibaba, who are an excellent company were totally against it, also Easy Riders, so anyone holidaying in Hisaranou or Ovacik, please use them
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Can't see anything in the Sun today?
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Please will you all understand that the dolphinarium is still here in Kaş. It has NOT been dismantled and could be made operational at any time so please do not be complacent in thinking they will not return them here. The deep freezers are still there and someone is still sleeping out at the dolphinarium.
The marina is on the other side of the lagoon as is not operational at the moment.
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Everybody on standby please.
Ministry of Agriculture has passed the buck to Ministry of the Environment and Forestry. They did not want to take responsibility because of the 7000 emails received.
Letter and email addresses to follow.... everything will be posted together as soon as ready. Please check back here regularly.
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ready for action!!!!
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God its like being put on hold and then being passed onto the next department. Is nobody going to take responsibility for this ?
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Off to work for few hours now, but will be right back ready for action! Members of A Voice for Captive Dolphins are all aware that contact details and letter is to follow soon!
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URGENT REQUEST - Please Send this TODAY
If you want to copy and paste to send without the defaults on some of the letters this will be posted on the Facebook discussion Group
Email/Phone/Fax whatever is best for you...
Ministry of Environment and Forestry Contact Details
Yaşar DOSTBiL
E-mail : ydostbil@cevreorman.gov.tr
Tel iş : (312) 2076061 - 2076062
Fax : (312) 2075981
Sabri KiRiÞ
E-mail : sabrikiris@milliparklar.gov.tr
Tel iş : (312) 2076025
Fax : (312) 2076710
Osman ÖZTÜRK
E-mail : osmanozturk@milliparklar.gov.tr
Tel iş : (312) 2076795
Fax : (312) 2076710
Title for your email
Lütfen Hisarönü/Oludeniz Yunus Parkina izin Verneyin
TC. ÇEVRE VE ORMAN BAKANLIgI
DOgA KORUMA VE MiLLi PARKLAR GENEL MÜDÜRLÜgÜNE,
Ölüdenizde DOgAL HAYATIN VAZGEÇiLMEZ PARÇSI YUNUS BALIKLARI iÇiN BiR HAPiSHANE BiR iÞKENCE MERKEZi KURULMAYA ÇLIÞILMAKTADIR.
Sadece dogal hayatta mutlu ve özgür yaşayan Yunus Baliklarinin küçücük havuzlarda büyük aci ve izdirap çektikleri ve sonrasinda dayanamayarak kendilerini öldürdükleri bir gerçektir.
Standartlara uygun olmayan, yalitimi yapilmamiş gürültülü bir havuza getirilecek yunuslarin yaşama haklarina aykiri davranilmiş olacaktir.
Öncelikle:
1. Dogal yaşam alanindan çok uzakta bir tepede inşa edilen beton bir havuzun, yunuslar için uygun bir ortam olmadigi açiktir ve bu durum Türkiye'nin imzasinin bulundugu uluslararasi sözleşmelere (örnegin Uluslararasi Bern Sözleşmesi) ve Türkiye Hayvan Haklari Koruma Yasasi'na aykiridir.
2. Belediye tarafindan işletmeye kiralanmiş olan arsa, bölgenin çocuklari için park yapilmasi kaydiyla belediyeye bagişlanmiştir. Park olmasi gereken bir alanin, girişte 100 TL.nin üstünde ücret talep edilecek bir işletmeye dönüştürülmesi anilan arsayi belli şartlarla belediyeye bagişlayan şahsin dilek ve isteklerinin çignenmesi ve ayrica bagişlama akdine aykirilik taşimaktadir.
3. Dogal güzellikleriyle ünlü Fethiye Ölüdeniz'in uluslar arasi arenada ismi lekelenecektir. Tur şirketleri bölgemize yapacaklari turlarin ya sayisini azaltacak veya bu turlari tamamen iptal edecektir. Bölge ve dolayisiyla Türkiye Turizm açisindan ciddi darbeler alacaktir.
4. Doga dostu insanlar yunuslara yapilan işkence nedeniyle büyük aci ve üzüntü yaşayacaklardir. Bu durum ayrica insan Haklari Sözleşmesinin 3. Maddesinde yer alan işkence yasagina aykirilik teşkil etmektedir. Bir insanin gözleri önünde sevdiklerine işkence edilmesi "ona işkence edilmesi" demektir. Bu sebeple eger böyle bir işletmenin açilmasina izin verilir ise yunuslara yapilacak olan kötü muamele nedeniyle binlerce insana işkence edilmiş olacak ve bu insanlar için iNSAN HAKLARINI iHLAL NEDENiYLE Türkiye aleyhine AHiM'e başvuru hakki dogacaktir.
5. Dogal hayatin korunmasi yönünde elinizden geleni yapacaginiz konusunda size olan inancimizla, Yunuslarin kendi yaşam alanlarina dönmelerini saglayacak önlemleri almanizi ve anilan işletmeye izin vermemenizi diler, geregini bilgilerinize sunarim.
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http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=358308272654
Please follow this link to Free the Oludeniz Dolphins and go to Discussions for the above letter and contact details
The letter was written by our Lawyer and covers all the salient facts.
Lets make this happen everyone... another 7000 emails that's our target...
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all done - now asking all work colleagues to send ! lets crash their IT infastructure !!
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Originally posted by Dolphin Angels
URGENT REQUEST - Please Send this TODAY
If you want to copy and paste to send without the defaults on some of the letters this will be posted on the Facebook discussion Group
Email/Phone/Fax whatever is best for you...
Ministry of Environment and Forestry Contact Details
Yaşar DOSTBiL
E-mail : ydostbil@cevreorman.gov.tr
Tel iş : (312) 2076061 - 2076062
Fax : (312) 2075981
Sabri KiRiÞ
E-mail : sabrikiris@milliparklar.gov.tr
Tel iş : (312) 2076025
Fax : (312) 2076710
Osman ÖZTÜRK
E-mail : osmanozturk@milliparklar.gov.tr
Tel iş : (312) 2076795
Fax : (312) 2076710
Title for your email
Lütfen Hisarönü/Oludeniz Yunus Parkina izin Verneyin
TC. ÇEVRE VE ORMAN BAKANLIgI
DOgA KORUMA VE MiLLi PARKLAR GENEL MÜDÜRLÜgÜNE,
Ölüdenizde DOgAL HAYATIN VAZGEÇiLMEZ PARÇSI YUNUS BALIKLARI iÇiN BiR HAPiSHANE BiR iÞKENCE MERKEZi KURULMAYA ÇLIÞILMAKTADIR.
Sadece dogal hayatta mutlu ve özgür yaşayan Yunus Baliklarinin küçücük havuzlarda büyük aci ve izdirap çektikleri ve sonrasinda dayanamayarak kendilerini öldürdükleri bir gerçektir.
Standartlara uygun olmayan, yalitimi yapilmamiş gürültülü bir havuza getirilecek yunuslarin yaşama haklarina aykiri davranilmiş olacaktir.
Öncelikle:
1. Dogal yaşam alanindan çok uzakta bir tepede inşa edilen beton bir havuzun, yunuslar için uygun bir ortam olmadigi açiktir ve bu durum Türkiye'nin imzasinin bulundugu uluslararasi sözleşmelere (örnegin Uluslararasi Bern Sözleşmesi) ve Türkiye Hayvan Haklari Koruma Yasasi'na aykiridir.
2. Belediye tarafindan işletmeye kiralanmiş olan arsa, bölgenin çocuklari için park yapilmasi kaydiyla belediyeye bagişlanmiştir. Park olmasi gereken bir alanin, girişte 100 TL.nin üstünde ücret talep edilecek bir işletmeye dönüştürülmesi anilan arsayi belli şartlarla belediyeye bagişlayan şahsin dilek ve isteklerinin çignenmesi ve ayrica bagişlama akdine aykirilik taşimaktadir.
3. Dogal güzellikleriyle ünlü Fethiye Ölüdeniz'in uluslar arasi arenada ismi lekelenecektir. Tur şirketleri bölgemize yapacaklari turlarin ya sayisini azaltacak veya bu turlari tamamen iptal edecektir. Bölge ve dolayisiyla Türkiye Turizm açisindan ciddi darbeler alacaktir.
4. Doga dostu insanlar yunuslara yapilan işkence nedeniyle büyük aci ve üzüntü yaşayacaklardir. Bu durum ayrica insan Haklari Sözleşmesinin 3. Maddesinde yer alan işkence yasagina aykirilik teşkil etmektedir. Bir insanin gözleri önünde sevdiklerine işkence edilmesi "ona işkence edilmesi" demektir. Bu sebeple eger böyle bir işletmenin açilmasina izin verilir ise yunuslara yapilacak olan kötü muamele nedeniyle binlerce insana işkence edilmiş olacak ve bu insanlar için iNSAN HAKLARINI iHLAL NEDENiYLE Türkiye aleyhine AHiM'e başvuru hakki dogacaktir.
5. Dogal hayatin korunmasi yönünde elinizden geleni yapacaginiz konusunda size olan inancimizla, Yunuslarin kendi yaşam alanlarina dönmelerini saglayacak önlemleri almanizi ve anilan işletmeye izin vermemenizi diler, geregini bilgilerinize sunarim.
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Why are people posting someone else's post again by quoting it but not writing anything? This is an entire waste of forum space and bandwidth!
If you didn't type anything yourself, don't post - we've read it already. You surely must know when you are about to post a message and haven't added any typing to it yourself??? This baffles me.
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Done :)
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Done.
also received this response from Born Free Foundation
Dear Claire,
Thank you for your email.
Around the world millions of wild animals are exploited for human entertainment in zoos, circuses and dolphinaria or used as props for souvenir photographs. Through our global initiative, Travellers' Animal Alert, Born Free's Zoo Check team is working to investigate, expose and prevent captive wild animal neglect and suffering wherever we can.
Born Free was very concerned to here about the construction of this new dolphin facility. We have been working on this case since it first came to our attention back in March. Born Free, along with other organisations such as the Whale and Dolphin Conservation Society, raised our concerns with various Turkish Authorities about the plans to bring in these two dolphins to this pathetically small pool in Hisaronu. We are also in contact with the Federation of Tour Operators, whose members include the major UK tour operators, many of which have made a stand against this new dolphin facility. With regards to people showing their strong feelings against the building of yet another captive dolphin facility in Turkey, to say that you will not visit Hisaronu is likely to have more of an impact to the authorities than just saying you will not visit the dolphin facility. After all, we want to make as big a statement to the authorities as possible here.
Rest assured we will continue to urge the authorities to address the situation regarding these dolphins. We are currently trying to establish what the exact history of these dolphins is, if they were originally wild caught and if so, from where and when. Obviously the wild would be the best place for these animals, but releasing an animal into the wild is a very complex process, so returning them back to the dolphin park in Kas, which we understand is still there, is likely to be the best option for now.
Sadly, dolphinariums which offer ‘swim with' activities are big business and bring in a lot of revenue. There are at least 10 dolphinaria in Turkey alone. On issues regarding whales and dolphins, Born Free works closely with the Whale and Dolphin Conservation Society (WDCS). Together we are working to try and address the issues affecting dolphins in captivity and urge for these facilities to be phased out.
Your support is greatly appreciated as the more information we receive about captive animal exploitation around the world, the more lives of animals we can hope to improve.
Wrote a quick apology regarding misinformation re: Kas
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Originally posted by Scunner
Why are people posting someone else's post again by quoting it but not writing anything? This is an entire waste of forum space and bandwidth!
If you didn't type anything yourself, don't post - we've read it already. You surely must know when you are about to post a message and haven't added any typing to it yourself??? This baffles me.
I think the intention is to keep the important facts in view - not hidden behind 20 posts saying 'done' Why people have to type that baffles me.
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No it happens in dozens of topics where the quoted text really isn't important facts needing to be kept in view ;)
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Reading through posts the Min of Ag were told not to issue licences by Ankara. Does that not mean all the other Ministry's would have had the same instruction[?]
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Done
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Done and all members of A Voice for Captive Dolphins (470 at present) contacted with the letter and contact details as well. Thinking of other ways to get more people involved...!!
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If its Friday today and I think it is... Maybe better for people to send Monday morning now as office hours are over for weekend!
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Ahh but imagine the shock on their faces monday morning
when they see 100s hopefully 1000s of emails protesting!:D
plus people may have time to send over the weekend often
its difficult when working
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I have set up an urgent petition for Tom and Misha on the petitionsite. Signatures already coming in after a few seconds I put the petition online! I give the petition several days and will then send the results with the letter to the Ministry of Environment or any other decision makers they decide to pass the buck to! Here is the link to the petition, please sign and share!! THANKS!!!
http://www.thepetitionsite.com/2/urgent-please-help-save-these-2-dolphins
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I signed I think but then ended up in a never ending loop on Facebook?
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Hm, that is strange... try this link:
http://www.thepetitionsite.com/2/urgent-please-help-save-these-2-dolphins
Thanks Scunner! Signatures are coming in rapidly! :-)
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I have now changed the link, should be fine now! thanks again!
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There is a cunning plan for Sunday e mailing... these people have a certain power none of the others do!!!! and haven't been mailed before
more info nearer the time but please remember to check in and if you haven't already please join the FB group Free the Olu Dolphins because that is where the letter will be posted.
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Oh my god!!!!!!!
I have just looked at the petition site. There is nearly as many countries featured as there are signatures...Truly Mulinational.:D
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Signatures are coming in fast, over 100 signatures from all over the world already in about an hour or so!! Also people from Turkey and people who have villas in the area etc!!! :-)
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I've sent an email too - great to see that so many people are supporting this cause
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Please don't let us all forget the main people who have been involved from the beginning in saving Misha & Tom - Dolphin Angels! New websites are fine and will help but Dolphin Angels have been there from the beginning and will be there at the end! They are the ones that do not have a petition site, Facebook page etc. They get off their Butts and actually get involved!
I wish all the Societies, Foundations etc. would get so involved, not just make platitudes!
I agree with earlier postings what are your donations paying for?
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What happened to The Sun doing an article?
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Here is the article in the Sun..
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/3020424/Scandal-of-dolphins-captive-in-tiny-pool.html
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tks BTG, couldn't find it
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The sun has run an article today
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Yes its in The Sun but not what I expected. A bit disapointing really. When I spoke to vince I told him to put about the fund set up. Never mind. Everyone put a comment on there and show other people how important this is to us all.
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Against my better judgement I have become a member of the Sun in order to make comment (who can forget Hillsborough?) Waiting to see if they will print my response. Have signed the petition - I think. Last night checked out 2 tourist travel agents in Calis - Cadianda say they will happily sell tickets to swim with the dolphins. Fethiye Travel agency apologised because they said that they would not promote the harming of dolphins, albeit they have a photo of swimming with dolphins in their brochure. They point out that there is no price against this picture and only relates to previous trips to Kas where they are kept in the sea. Maybe more education needed? Impressed with how well he quoted the poster to me.
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Cadianda Calis are selling??
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They were willing to arrange swimming with the dolphins for me last night. Even after I had a long long discussion that this was the wrong response they were not willing to withdraw the offer and thanked me for refusing to buy! Fethiye Travel Agency say that they are the only agency not willing to sell. Time to target Calis me thinks.
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At least the Sun has run the story. Perhaps now other papers will get on the bandwagon and print something.Hope the article that is printed will result in thousands of comments, and get this hellhole shut down.
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just put comment on Sun, only takes 5 mins (may not get published tho' ;))
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Originally posted by peecee
just put comment on Sun, only takes 5 mins (may not get published tho' ;))
Been trying to comment, but The Sun still haven't sent verification e-mail. I am really frustrated.
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Originally posted by scouser2
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Originally posted by peecee
just put comment on Sun, only takes 5 mins (may not get published tho' ;))
Been trying to comment, but The Sun still haven't sent verification e-mail. I am really frustrated.
same here:(
Please how to I change my avatar???? I want a dolphin one
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Stopped by to look in Hamish McTurk's (deserted) shop behind the Sahil this morning. There are no posters advertising the dolphins in Hisaronu (at the moment anyway).
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if you want a new avatar click on profile at top of page and choose dolphin
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The Sun havent posted my comments yet either - hopefully they're inundated !
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Hello to friends old and new :) I have taken it upon myself to email Recep Tayip Erdogan and esteemed animal rights agencies in Turkey to help in the plight of Misha and Tom as I know longer have any faith in the mayor of fethiye and its council.please please please respond and send an email so Misha and Tom can be released and swim happily ever after as it is their right to do so. thanks Mary :)
The Captive Dolphins in Hisaronu/ versus Tourisim#8207;
From: mary theresa (marytheresa2008@live.com)
Sent: 19 June 2010 11:25:16
To: bimer@basbakanlik.gov.tr
Cc: bilgi@haytap.org; info@bhhd.org; info@haykod.org
It is with extreme sadness that I write this email not only to his Honourable Recep Tayip Erdogan but to all Animal right associations and agencies in Turkey. I am outraged at what is taking place in Hisaronu Fethiye and cannot believe that Turkey is allowing such an atrocity to take place in the name of tourisim. I have long ties with Turkey and have always found Turkey to be a nature loving country and it is with great sadness that this is being allowed to take place on her soil.
The animals in question are two Bottlenose Dolphins misha and Tom who are being held- captivated in a swimming pool 11 by 22 meters in shabby and unacceptable condition and sorroundings. These two beautiful animals are constantly bobbing up and down in the same position as there is no room for them to swim and play and this does not in any shape of form meet the welfare guidelines for theses beautiful dolphins.
The pool is owned by a Russian business man Mr. Aleksandr Kuznetsov and he is using the dolphins as a way to create more income by offering tourists the opportunity to swim with theses animals at a price without though or concern to the price of the daily lives and living conditions of the dolphins and I am extremely shocked to know that this is totally supported by the local mayor Mr Keramettin Yilmaz.
Fethiye has a large amount of foreign tourist during the season months of May to October she also has a large expat community and it is with great pride that one of their local websites www.calis-beach forum.co.uk has taken up the plight of theses animals and I personally would like to take this moment to Thank Mr. Keith Campbell in his sensitivity in this matter for starting a campaign on his website to free theses dolphins and for making us all aware of what is happening on our door step and to all expats in the Fethiye and calis area for their voice and support, and I am pleased to report that this has now been brought to the attention of the us all in the united kingdom through a write up in Todays Sun Newspaper http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/3020424/Scandal-of-dolphins-captive-in-tiny-pool.html
I Implore the Turkish Government and all her Agencies to please help in the release of Misha and Tom as I know that you are as compassionate about your animals and nature as we all are and let us together put animal rights before profits.
Yours Faithfully
Mary Of
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Have written to bimen@basbakanlik, Had my response printed on Sun (see turkeyscouse) Now want to know what can I do next? Are there people in Hisaronu? If so can I meet up with them? How much lobbying can I do - within the law? Have e mailed everyone I know as well as those suggested by the forum and Face book and signed today's petition. Uzumlu has been putting up posters as requested by me, and my car is a walking advert even if it is by people who think the car is up for sale!! Visitors have gone home to spread the word, now I am ready to be more hands on. Just tell me how????
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Cheers Rosy:D
I am trying to get hold of the email address of Ahmet davutoglu he is the minister of tourism in Ankara I believe will post his mail address on cbf when I get it :D
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To Rosy and all other newcomers and those deeply concerned about the plight of these dolphins.
There is indeed lots to do,
One of the aims is to enlighten people especially tourists and travel agents.
Learn all you can from previous posts on here and on Facebook, free Oludeniz dolphins, and direct people to these sites.
It is amazing how many people still do not know of the pools existance.
So please help raise public awareness.
Sign the petitions and get your concerned friends to do likewise.
Visit travel agents, ensure you name the company correctly and report back by posting your experience.
Always work within the law, never be provocative.
Watch facebook and CBF as frequently as possible. We will be providing other contact details and letters for you to copy and paste.
We thank each and every one of you for your concern and support.
Together we will win!
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Thanks, have been doing all that throughout the campaign. Just feel I can do more now that our visitors have gone and I am here in Uzumlu. I am planning to go to the hell-hole tomorrow, but have some concerns about how to conduct myself in a way to maximise the on going action and to minimise the risk of being arrested. Will print off more posters to take with me.
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Printed some posters ,added calis-beach.co.uk to bottom of posters and was allowed to distribute them on a Thomas Cook airbus from UK yesterday. Also verbally stressed to 20kg per day of dolphin doo-doo in the pond.
Hope posters will not be needed eventually.
Dolphin Angels + Co---you are true stars.
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Be careful Rosy.....Nadias bar are watching so be aware that laws here are not the same as UK.
Take someone with you and a camera and if someone threatens you call the Jandarma yourself and take pics.
Hope we will see you at the fund raising night on Weds.
Fi
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oooh a fundraiser sounds great - maybe I'll come along ;)
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7 years we've been here and I'm not sure CBF is ready for it's first ever carefully thought through strategy!
Good luck guys!
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I doubt you will be able to do anything about this as I keep posting there are pet shops springing up everywhere packed with animals kept in awful conditions such as glass tanks etc.......the trend seems to be at the moment make money out of animal traffiking and suffering. There is a whole street up here in Istanbul full of pet shops but there is no English community to get urinated off about it up here unfortunately. Its becoming more prevalent. Ive not been to Fethiye recently but are there any pet shops there with animals crammed together in confined sweaty conditions? If there are why dont you do something about that why dont you lobby whatever minister there is about these horrible money making businesses that are springing up everywhere.
In Istanbul there is a Turquazoo with sharks and dolphins in so sorry guys I doubt very much if you will be successful because quite frankly if there is no conscience about slitting a goats throat while its still alive then two big fish in a tank are nothing.....and they are probably laughing their heads off at the English Animal Lovers behind your backs
I wish you all the best of luck but think you are wasting time and energyj on this one. Dont just focus on these two big fish focus on all animals in general in Turkey who at the moment are being cruelly treated to make money.
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That's just the attitude which could have meant women never got the vote (which for some I must agree isn't a bad idea) or would give us a World where new is acceptable and nothing bad can be challenged by the people. Thank God there's hundreds like Dolphin Angels on here and only one like you Linda.
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Nice positive thinking yet again Linda1953.
Thank goodness we didn't listen to doubters like you when we took on the Cement Factory fight.
Can't abide glass half empty thinkers, life's much happier and positive if you think glass half full. ;) 8)
Fi
Ps We stopped the cement factory :o
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Not a doubter Firo a realist. Continue to bang your heads against a cement wall.
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She helped beat the cement factory proposal! What are you talking about???!!!
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Please everyone...ignore Linda`s comments...we can and will win this ....shame she had to post such a negative remark.:(
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Well if they win this one Scunner I will eat my shorts! LOL
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People like you said that about the cement factory one, I won't bother waiting for you to eat anything.
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Originally posted by brianthegardener
Please everyone...ignore Linda`s comments...we can and will win this ....shame she had to post such a negative remark.:(
Linda some time ago cast herself in the role of CBF controversial character, a role she invented and still plays in a terribly shallow way.
There is no need to advise people to ignore her comments, they are quite clearly total rubbish.
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Linda you continually turn up here like a bad penny after months away and target 4 or 5 topics to post against the flow on. If I believed you did disagree with the sentiment of each one I'd leave you to it. Sadly I do not, I believe you come here to swim against the tide and elevate yourself to some deluded "real voice of the British in Turkey" due to you being far more knowledgeable than the sum of the rest of us because you live in Istanbul.
This topic doesn't have two sides, no matter how you would like to create a second one. It is a place where the majority of members (British, Turkish and many other nations) can keep up to date on the cause in hand. After years of hoping you might eventually contribute something worthwhile, I have given up and decided we don't want you or need you here.
Cue the "delete everyone who disagrees with Scunner" email.
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Linda1953 - out of little acorns grow mighty oaks.
We can (and will) make a difference, we will have this stopped.
As my Mother once said to me "if you can't say something nice DON'T SAY ANYTHING AT ALL"
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Linda you appear to be not very well educated as these are not fish. They are in fact mammals. Maybe you should keep your negativity to yourself and if you are so concerned about the pet shops in your area then do something about it.
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Keith , slippery little eel 'dolphinconnection etc.' are back
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Ok she's gone, let's return to topic and crack on :)
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When you know what you are talking about Linda and stop finding excuses to get off your b*tt then I will listen to what you say. [:(!]
I'm sorry to be unable to bang my head against a cement wall to make you happy but we managed to do what you say is impossible and that is change things for the better.
You just carry on finding excuses why you can't change things and get off the back of those who do change things for the better.
Don't bother eating your shorts when those of us trying to stop this happening do win, just be big enough to say Sorry and well done..... because we will win.
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Originally posted by peecee
Keith , slippery little eel 'dolphinconnection etc.' are back
Sorry?
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yet another post, sorry guys, but quite an important one.
Met a lady this evening, who lives just around the corner from the pool in Hisaronu. Unbelievably she thought the whole thing disgusting BUT had no idea about all the emails sent, the petitions, of the Facebook page etc. :o
She knows nothing about CBF and never uses. So, I would assume there must be an awful lot of other 'locals' who are totally ignorant of the fight.
Is it time to start raising the profile in the local areas by asking bars/restaurants/shops to put up more leaflets etc? And are they willing to do it considering the possible backlash?
Know this is already going on but think we ALL need to start talking to everyone we meet and getting them to sign up (know it's my main topic of conversation ;)
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saw 'dolphinconnectionexperience.com. it's on the page as I type this
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Ok thanks
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with so many people visiting this site from FB and other sites would it be possible to remove the last few posts, including Linda`s, and this one so the "new" people wont see the "negativity and back bitting...its not good for the cause and CBF...in my opinion...just a thought.
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OK sorry I dont have time to read the reems of messages, I may be repeating an earlier idea.....
I was sitting outside the office today when a dolmus passed by, advertising a turkish singer, you know the ones with all the speakers blaring.... could we not hire a dolmus with speakers, and drive through shouting the message? thats not a protest, just a bus hire, :)
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Can't see the mayor allowing it.... the Russian might not take him out for any more meals: :)
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well maybe you should ask the mayor?
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What planet did you arrive from Linda?
There are animals all over the world being exploited for money, Its not possible to fight all their causes but on this one its close to home and if people can get of their arse and do something to stop this garbage attraction then they have my support. You have to start somewhere.
Following your philosophy we should all just turn our heads and pretend its not happening because alone you can't possibly influence the situation. The only one person who can stop this is the guy who put up the money for it. However there is a group of people who together are having a damn good go and may it continue until this "attraction" is stopped.
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or just do it hire a dolmus with sound and do it
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Not sure who posted the above, but it WASNT me just saw it!!
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wow cos of FB CBF is censoring, leads me to think most of the monkeys here, have no invested interest in the country or the people, let alone poor helpless animals
Lost me on that one I'm afraid, could someone enlighten me?
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The Hisaronu 2 are now being discussed in this thread,
http://www.facebook.com/pages/Free-the-Whales-and-Dolphins/338928327349
Myself and a few others joined their group and posted a few days ago, and now many are talking about Misha & Tom and are signing the petition.
Keep spreading the word!
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yes me too please thought we are talking about dolphins here where did monkeys come into the equation?
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Originally posted by umpy
wow cos of FB CBF is censoring
Sorry, what does that mean? To me nothing, can you explain it? Nothing has been censored, every post made in this topic is still here.
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Originally posted by heather07
Can't see the mayor allowing it.... the Russian might not take him out for any more meals: :)
About time the major went on a diet methinks:D
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We lived in Uzumlu for 3 1/2 years returning to uk in August last year so have been unaware of this story. We moved back to Chippenham which is home, surprisingly, to the Whale and Dolphin Conservation Society, and one of their aims is to combat dolpinariums. I don't know if the organisers of this protest have been in touch with this Society but I am happy to see them on your behalf if you think that may be of use. Please contact me through my profile if I can help, Chris
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Any help I am sure would be welcome. Do you know anyone who works there?
I and many others contacted them at the beginning but face to face may be better. They don't appear to have done much but we don't know what has been going on behind the scenes.
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Took this off facebook as I thought the sentiments were quite uplifting.
Gigi Ridgeway- Such a tremendous outpouring of love from people all over the world to free these dolphins. I was just meditating and received a message from them. They are helping us to wake up, unite in love and common purpose, open our hearts and realize the value of freedom. They are so intelligent, so aware. There is a divine plan to all of this. Let us continue to do our part ¢¾
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Go for it Chris, I am sure one of the angels will contact you soon.
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i will second you Eric...go for it Chris...nothing to loose...all help will be appreciated to help to release the dolphins from this pool and back into the wild again.
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Whale and Dolphin Conservation in Chippenham is already on board. Cathy Williamson has been supporting the Dolphin Angels. They are fully aware of the whole situation!
Is it possible to distribute leaflets in the local area? Door to door? Is this allowed in Turkey?
And to Linda1953 I say: It's not people like you who are going to make a difference in this world or have any legacy to be proud of. Ignorance and apathy is what destroys this world. If you don't fight, you will never win. This is a cause worth fighting for, and trust me, we are going to win! But not thanks to people with your attitude, it's compassionate people like the dolphin angels who make this world worth living in!
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Over 600 signatures already in one day from all over the world, including many people from Turkey and also tourists planning to go to Turkey. Some amazing comments are being made. Will give it a bit longer, probably until Monday morning, hopefully the petition will have reached 1000! It will then be sent to everyone who is involved in the decision making process! If you haven't signed it yet, please see the link below! Thanks everyone!!!!!!
http://www.thepetitionsite.com/2/urgent-please-help-save-these-2-dolphins
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If only these 2 boys could sense the emotions we are feeling for them and know that we are trying to do all that we can to get them back to their rightful habitat.
I can't say what I want to say on an open forum but I hope that those responsible are not sleeping well tonight.!!
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Just translated a German Newspaper report found on facebook:
Credit given to facebook protest!!!!
Disgusting animal cruelty in Turkey! In Hisaronu Marmaris (Southwest Turkey) are kept in a 22-meter pool eleven times the two bottlenose dolphins Misha and Tom as a tourist attraction. Bottlenose dolphins are the most well-known dolphin species, the animals are up to four meters long.
According to the British newspaper "The Sun", the Russian businessman Aleksandr Kuznetsov is the owner of the plant. The local mayor Keramettin Yilmaz supported him.
Kuznetsov: "Hisaronu needs, as a tourist attraction. Otherwise, there is only bars and restaurants. Most tourists are thrilled, "he told the newspaper.
But this is hardly the truth!
Instead of splashing against admission with the Bottlenose Dolphins in the pool, many tourists organize resistance against the cruelty to animals. More than 6,000 people joined the Facebook network in a protest action.
And the assistance must be quickly successful, the animals should not die painfully.
Too much they have been through: a four-hour ride in a refrigerated truck from the Dolphinarium in Kas to Hisaronu. Then the terrible tightness in the pool. The bottlenose dolphin show, according to tourists already significant behavioral changes, probably caused by the terrible captivity.
First success: British tour operators like Thomas Cook, Thomson and First Choice already boycotting the resort
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"Those responsible" will sleep very well tonight. I think they actually believe that this is what Hisaronu needs, and they are helping the area. I also believe they truly think that the dolphins are extremely well kept and also lucky to have such a great home.
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Thanks for that newspaper report Heather!
And those responsible, complete ignorance and greed. Do they even understand right or wrong??
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Originally posted by krieny
Thanks for that newspaper report Heather!
And those responsible, complete ignorance and greed. Do they even understand right or wrong??
Yes they do krieny but when money comes through the door morals and right from wrong go out of the window!
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Before going out tonight several people asked what they could do to help. To those people we say thank you.
However, reading through the several pages of comments that have been posted there is one in particular that stands out.
It reflects many comments that have been made over the past 3 months mostly on Facebook and it starts like this
"why don't you do this..." or "why don't you do that..."
Well here is our reply "why don't YOU do it"
If you have an idea and want others opinions on it before you go ahead, or you would like some support to carry it through that is great.
But no one owns this campaign, every idea is valid, if YOU think its a good idea just do it because that is what we are all doing.
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Couldn't have put it better myself Dolphin Angels!
People need to stand up and be counted!!
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Volunteer needed
A5 Double Sided Information leaflet
Brief
Dolphins in Captivity - Suffering not Smiling
The topic is Dolphins in Captivity some of the facts are already pulled together but it needs rewording tightening up and some additional information.
It has to be very brief and succinct as it will also be translated into Turkish so space is an issue.
It needs to be turned around quite quickly and must not make any reference at all to Hisaronu and its pool with 2 Dolphins
Design work will/can be done at the printers unless some one is offering!!!
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Heather, did the German newspaper mention the petition website or Facebook?
If not is it possible to make a comment on the newspaper?
Don't agree, Keith, think the man must be spitting bullets thinking about the tourist money he's about to lose :D
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There is a reference to facebook but no link.
"Instead of splashing against admission with the Bottlenose Dolphins in the pool, many tourists organize resistance against the cruelty to animals. More than 6,000 people joined the Facebook network in a protest action."
There is a space for comments at the bottom of page
http://www.bild.de/BILD/news/2010/06/19/tierquaelerei-als-touristen-attraktion/zwei-tuemmler-in-zu-kleinem-pool.html
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Originally posted by Dolphin Angels
Volunteer needed
A5 Double Sided Information leaflet
Brief
Dolphins in Captivity - Suffering not Smiling
The topic is Dolphins in Captivity some of the facts are already pulled together but it needs rewording tightening up and some additional information.
It has to be very brief and succinct as it will also be translated into Turkish so space is an issue.
It needs to be turned around quite quickly and must not make any reference at all to Hisaronu and its pool with 2 Dolphins
Design work will/can be done at the printers unless some one is offering!!!
I would be willing to give it a try but I do not want the responsibility if it is not good enough. What about if a few people put forward an attempt and the best one goes forward??
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Originally posted by peecee
Don't agree, Keith, think the man must be spitting bullets thinking about the tourist money he's about to lose :D
Yes but he won't believe that is down to it being a bad idea, his belief will be that it is still exactly what Hisaronu needs, but actions like CBF/Dolphin Angels/Facebook poisoned the minds of potential customers.
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Would like to make a suggestion - instead of reading through loads of pages regarding this atrocity could we have a seperate page of whom to contact/email/complain to? Put a thread on here saying go to 'Who to email etc.' but it may save time for people who get lost?
Just a thought.
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Ok the Information leaflet
Remember is double sided A5 only
It will be in both English and Turkish so space is limited and there will be images.
We don't want a dissertation thought that would be nice
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This is where we are up to
Dolphins in Captivity - Suffering not Smiling
Dolphins Deaths Due to Capture and Captivity
53% of those dolphins who survive the violent capture die within 90 days
The average life span of a dolphin in the wild is 45 years; half of all captured dolphins die within their first two years of captivity. The survivors last an average of only 5 years in captivity.
Every seven years, half of all dolphins in captivity die from capture shock, pneumonia, intestinal disease, ulcers, chlorine poisoning, and other stress-related illnesses.
Dolphins in Concrete Pools
Dolphin's sensitive skin can be exposed to the sun's scorching rays, causing blisters and sores.
Chlorine is added to keep bacteria levels safe for humans. The levels of chlorine used, wreak havoc on a dolphin's skin and eyes, sometimes even rendering them completely blind.
Public Health Risks
Dolphins can catch and also transmit to humans viruses as well as carrying microbes/pathogens associated with food poisoning
Herpes Virus
Pox Virus
Salmonella
E.coli
Listeria
Pneumonia Tuberculosis and other bacterial diseases such as Weil's disease are also associated with Dolphins
Some additional info that could add to or make new points not covered above.
When a baby dolphin is born in captivity, the news is usually kept secret until the calf shows signs of survival. Although marine mammals do breed in captivity, the birth rate is not nearly as successful as the one in the wild, with high infant mortality rates.
Wild dolphins can swim 40 to 100 miles per day - in pools they go around in circles.
Many marine parks subject their mammals to hunger so they will perform for their food. Jumping through hoops, tailwalking and playing ball are trained behaviors that do not occur in the wild.
Confined animals who abuse themselves (banging their heads against the walls) are creating stimuli which their environment cannot supply. Dolphins in captivity tend to develop stereotypical behaviors (swimming in a repetitive circle pattern, with eyes closed and in silence) because of boredom and confinement. This is equivalent to the swaying and pacing of primates, lions, tigers and bears confined in cages.
Dolphins are predators of fish and spend up to half of their time in the wild hunting for food. Supplying dead fish results in less exercise and lack of mental stimulation, thus causing boredom.
When trapped together, males often become agitated and domineering. This creates pecking orders (unknown in the wild) and unprovoked attacks on each other and the trainers. In the ocean, although fights are not unknown, the wild dolphins have a chance to escape.
Dolphins have evolved over 50 million years to be successful in their wild habitat!
Sources
1.www.wdcs.com Marine Manual Captivity Booklet
2.www.merckvetmanual.com List of Bacterial & Viral Diseases of Marine Animals
3.www.idw.org/html/dolphins_in_danger.html Captivity Fact Sheet Dolphin Project Europe 1996
4.http://www.wspa-usa.org/ World Society for the Protection of Animals
5. http://www.inkokomo.com/dolphin/captivity.html
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Thanks for that Da but what I meant is there are petitions to be signed, could we have a seperate page for them and then read through the additional info? I've lost one petition and will have to go through around 5/6 pages to find it again
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Peecee the petitions are all on the facebook site under discussions.
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Just an idea.alteratlons and layout for the professionals
DOLPHINS IN CAPTIVITY
In nature.Dolphins swim up to 40 miles a day.
Incaptivity.Dolphins are restricted to the size of their tank.
In nature.Most dolphins spend their lives living in groups,. this is where they find safety, love, and companionship. A young bottlenose dolphin will stay with his/her mother for as long as five years.
In captivity.Dolphins are forever separated from their pod. They will never see their mother or other pod members again.
In nature.Dolphins live in natural seawater.
In captivity.Most dolphins live in chemically treated artificial seawater.
In nature.Dolphins use their sonar to check out various fish, predators, their vast ocean world, and other dolphins.
In captivity.Dolphins are severely restricted in using their sonar.similar to a person to wear a blindfold for the rest of their life
In nature.Dolphins spend many hours cooperatively chasing and catching fish.
In captivity. dolphin has to learn to eat dead fish.They will never again experience the thrill of chasing and catching live prey.
In nature.A dolphin's only boundary is where the ocean meets the shore.
The tragedy of dolphin captivity can be seen between the shows. When the music stops and the cheerful crowds go home, the dolphins resume to lying listlessly on the surface of the water, starring into the barren concrete wall of their tank. There is nothing else for them to do.
wwwdolphincareuk
Research has found that exposure to marine mammals can involve a health risk to the public. Diseases contracted from marine mammals are difficult to treat and diagnose.
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Originally posted by bewva
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Originally posted by umpy
wow cos of FB CBF is censoring, leads me to think most of the monkeys here, have no invested interest in the country or the people, let alone poor helpless animals
Lost me on that one I'm afraid, could someone enlighten me?
I cant lol I didnt write it, must have left my CBF logged in on a work computer!!
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Well please act more responsibly - your response is incredibly immature - I don't see how there is any place in that for a "lol". You would be the first to complain if someone wrote something detrimental in your name. Logging out when finished is a basic requirement of internet use and personal security online.
It does seem like there is someone very dim working at your place, as it doesn't make any sense whatsoever.
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TWO ENGLISH PENSIONERS, 4 YOUNG TURKS 1 RUSSIAN A cautionary Tail
My god the Russian must worried.
Within 2 minutes of two pensioners arriving at the Dolphinarium, with a leaflet in the car window
4 Young Turks were taking our photo, the Russian was sidling up to us, the Turks surrounded us and told us to "Wait
The Gendarmes are coming ( Not "Go away or they will be called".)
First I laughed, then we decided to go, so they jumped in a van and followed us until the Gendarmes arrived.
First they wanted us charged with criminal damage (I had touched the flimsy screen in order to look through into the park.)
We went back with the police and proved that was a nonsense. So they advised the police to charge us with insulting the police as I had laughed when they mentioned the name "Gendarme"
Finally the police accompanied us to Oludeniz Police station . where the 4 Turks gave a statement (including the photographs) which in their opinion shows we are guilty of a Breach of The Peace. (We have not been told what this statement says,although had a right of reply,(to what exactly) but have not been given copies or a translation.)
Don't know if this will go further. May need advice on who is a good solicitor! In the meantime, what extraordinary lengths to go to.. The protests must be beginning to hurt. I won't say keep them up in case he has me charged with incitement: but as the "incident" took up 4 hours of the 4 Turk employees' time, think how much time they would spend at the police station if two doddery pensioners went to Hisaronu Dolphinarium every hour for the next two days... (Just don't gesticulate or say anything as, apparently breathing in the vicinity could lead to a Breach of the Peace investigation,on the say so of the Russian)
In my judgement the incident, which was seen by quite a lot of people, will have been a lot of bad publicity for the Dolphinarium
Pete (one half of the 2 pensioners)
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Rosy & Pete it does indeed show that they are very worried and a few more incidents like yours, which is not the first, then the Jandarma are going to get really peed off with the obviously false charges etc etc.
Did the Jandarma not offer you an official translator as they should have done? Bet you won't hear anything more.
I like the idea of couples wandering along there, innocently of course, every two hours. ;)
Tempted to go down again myself....lol When we were there there was no one to be seen as we peered through the netting.
Well done both
Fi
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Maybe when you went Firo they were all at the police station in Olu Deniz!! The Russian must really be getting worried! Lets keep the pressure up but peacefully please!! We don't want anybody else arrested on trumped up charges!!
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We had an unofficial translator who usually sells boat trips from the beach. The Jandarma were very polite gave us drinks etc and took a statement before telling us that was all and we could go home. Interesting experience for us. Met some lovely tourists who were happy to take some posters to display in their holiday apartments. Also car from Cadianda tours was there and informs me quite firmly that his company do not and will never sell tickets to swim with the tourists. They are going back to their office to investigate further why someone was willing to sell me tickets 2 days ago.
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Sounds desperate to me.
Are you two ok though?
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URGENT Please act now
Please go to Facebook Free the Oludeniz Dolphims and go straight to Discussions - do not pass go!
http://www.facebook.com/photo_comments.php?subj=546406654#!/group.php?gid=358308272654&v=wall&ref=ts
There are Letters entitled 1, 2 and 3 written by our lawyer
Please send each of them to the names and to the email addreses on each letter. Each letter is almost the same but titled according to the receipient.
Please add your signature
Background information - Current State of Play 20th June 2010
We know that Ministry of Agriculture and the Ministry of the Environment & Forestry are playing pass the buck over the issuing or as it happens the non issue of the licence.
Neither Ministry want to give the licence for the pool to open because there has never been opposition to a Dolphin Park like this before!
And... while the Ministries delay the fate of Hisarönü Dolphin Park hangs in the balance as Mr Kuznetsov runs out of money...
The next targets on our list (see tetters 1,2 and 3 on Facebook)are crucial because we believe that decisions made regarding the tender for the Hisarönü Dolphin Park were over and beyond the powers of those that made them.
The next round of emails are for all those to whom Mayors are accountable for their decisions.
1.The Interior Minister, the General Secretary and the Personal Assistant to the Minister
2.The new incumbent at the Mugla Vali
3.The Fethiye Kaymakam
Whatever else you do today please do this for Misha and Tom...
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All sent Dolphin Angels!!!
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Without having seen yours Heather just wanted to say we really like what Apollo has come up with.
Is it possible to post just the text Heather.
Rosy will speak to our lawyer about this incident and will contact you with her details.
Please anyone else report all incidents of this nature so we can begin to collect data of unwarrented harrassment.
Talk about running scared...
Other news
There are two very significant events that have occured today which we wish we could but can't reveal just yet.
One is brilliant news the other is a matter of grave concern.
Both are in hand
PLEASE CHECK PREVIOUS PAGE FOR IMPORTANT ACTION REQURIED TODAY.
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Dolphins in Captivity - Suffering not Smiling
Dolphins Deaths Due to Capture and Captivity
53% die within 90 days
50% die within their first two years of captivity
Survivors live on average 5 years in captivity.
Dolphins in captivity die from capture shock, pneumonia, intestinal disease, ulcers, chlorine poisoning, and other stress-related illnesses
Dolphins in Concrete Pools
Dolphin's are exposed to the sun's scorching rays, causing blisters and sores.
Chlorine is added to keep bacteria levels safe for humans. The levels of chlorine used, wreak havoc on a dolphin's skin and eyes causing blindness
Dolphins can catch and transmit viruses
Public Health Risks
Dolphins can catch and transmit to diseases to humans:
microbes/pathogens associated with food poisoning
Herpes Virus
Pox Virus
Salmonella
E.coli
Listeria
Bacterial diseases
Pneumonia Tuberculosis
Weil's disease
Facts
They are kept hungry to make them perform
Many babies born in captivity do not survive
Confined animals create stimuli because of boredom and confinement
swimming in a repetitive circle pattern, with eyes closed and in silence equivalent to the swaying and pacing of primates, lions, tigers and bears confined in cages.
Supplied with dead fish results in less exercise and lack of mental stimulation, thus causing boredom.
Second page
Dolphins in the Wild- Smiling not Suffering
The average life span of a dolphin in the wild is 45 years;
Wild dolphins can swim 40 to 100 miles per day - in pools they go around in circles.
Dolphins are predators of fish and spend up to half of their time in the wild hunting for food
Big picture of dolphin
suggest two sides
One for positives one for negatives
Negatives outweigh positives = free the dolphins
Dolphins have evolved over 50 million years to be successful in the wild
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There is a potential flaw in the don't buy anything from local tour operators that sell swim with dolphins - well 2 actually.
Flaw 1. Basically you book a trip with A others book trip with B and you can all end up on the boat of either A or B.
Which one doesn't really matter unless you happen to end up on the boat of someone that sells swim with dolphins.
The soloution; when making your booking with the ethical company state clearly you do not want to end up on the boat of an operator that does... they will then know that in the event that they need to merge a tour they need to find one that also does not do swim with dolphins. State you will want your money back if they can't comply.
Flaw 2 Ticket sellers - they earn their money from commission. It may be company policy not to sell swim with Dolphins but the ticket seller can get you the trip you want with another operator. If you know that the company does not sell swim with dolphins yet the person on the door say they can do it then you should dob them in to the boss/owner.
The owners won't know otherwise and won't realise their staff are selling a swim with dolphins on the sly through another company. They certainly won't realise they are losing customers if no one tells them whats going on.
There are several companies that have a really hard line policy of not selling swim with dolphins and these include Carole and Tayfun. Cadianda, Pioneer, Ali Baba to name a few.
Cadianda owner was mortified to learn that a ticket seller had tried to sell a SWD from her office and has gone to investigate.
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Please go to page 113 of this topic to see todays URGENT EMAIL request...
This link advertising swim with Dolphins that comes up regularly on this topic as an advert is actually a swim with Dophins in the open sea and having looked at the web site and the details of the excursions seems to have an ethical approach.
No Dolphins in captivity.
http://www.dolphinconnectionexperience.com/dolphin-holiday.html
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Firo, I know they are on Facebook. The point I'm trying to make is while there are thousands of people helping/backing us they perhaps have not got the time to spend hours reading all the posts (unlike us!) and may skip to the last few posts for a catch-up.
Also not everyone is a fan of Facebook. I loathe it, spent 3 months getting rid of it (bloody thing just won't go without a lot of hassle) and have rejoined purely for this purpose.
Some of these emails are urgent. It'll be far easier for busy people to just click on a 'emails that need to be sent' page and catch up when they have the time.
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Ok understand that peecee
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Got a friend arriving tomorrow (ex one of our boys in blue but a girl!)
Think we might go to Hisaronu tuesday, bit of lunch, bit of loitering, what fun:D
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PLEASE go to page 113 for the latest Email requests which can be found on Facebook Letters 1 2 and 3.
Just spotted another arrest reported on Facebook so that is 3 already in total that we know of.
Have contacted her for details.
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If you take a leaf out of other protester's books, take a video camera with you if you visit the area and keep it running at all times. It is practically impossible to make up ridiculous crimes if you have the evidence in your hand.
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URGENT
Please act now
Please go to Facebook Free the Oludeniz Dolphims and go straight to Discussions - do not pass go!
http://www.facebook.com/photo_comments.php?subj=546406654#!/group.php?gid=358308272654&v=wall&ref=ts
There are Letters entitled 1, 2 and 3 written by our lawyer
Please send each of them to the names and to the email addreses on each letter. Each letter is almost the same but titled according to the receipient.
Please add your signature
Background information - Current State of Play 20th June 2010
We know that Ministry of Agriculture and the Ministry of the Environment & Forestry are playing pass the buck over the issuing or as it happens the non issue of the licence.
Neither Ministry want to give the licence for the pool to open because there has never been opposition to a Dolphin Park like this before!
And... while the Ministries delay the fate of Hisarönü Dolphin Park hangs in the balance as Mr Kuznetsov runs out of money...
The next targets on our list (see tetters 1,2 and 3 on Facebook)are crucial because we believe that decisions made regarding the tender for the Hisarönü Dolphin Park were over and beyond the powers of those that made them.
The next round of emails are for all those to whom Mayors are accountable for their decisions.
1.The Interior Minister, the General Secretary and the Personal Assistant to the Minister
2.The new incumbent at the Mugla Vali
3.The Fethiye Kaymakam
Whatever else you do today please do this for Misha and Tom...
THE ABOVE IS SO VERY IMPORTANT AND URGENT.
PLEASE PLEASE FOLLOW THE ABOVE
WE CANNOT STRESS HOW IMPORTANT THIS IS,
IT IS VITAL !!
PLEASE PLEASE, CONTACT ALL OF YOUR FRIENDS AND FAMILY HERE AND ABROAD AND BEG THEM TO SEND THE EMAILS TOO.
THANK YOU SO MUCH, EVERY SINGLE EMAIL COUNTS!
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It is highly dangerous for Dolphins to be transported without suspending them and as can be seen from the inside of the van there are no visible rails or hooks that could have been used to suspend them during the 4 hour journey along Turkeys bumpy roads from Kas to Hisaronu.
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Number plate and web site of refrigerated lorry that transported the Dolphins as seen in the photos on Facebook by following through each image to get the full details
07 Y 6916
www.gokmenoglu.com.tr
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Please remember to send those emails....
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ALL DONE AND DUSTED E-MAILS!!
There must have obviously been a VET who sanctioned the transportation of the dolphins! Who signed the transportation licence? Did they think that them dumped without suspension on a hard, uneven floor of a lorry, with nothing to stop them rolling around for 4 hours was the DIGNITY that all animals in Turkey are SUPPOSEDLY covered by the Turkish Animal Law 5199?
Who signed the transportation licence?
Anybody who has that information please contact Dolphin Angels!!
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Does anyone know how Misha and Tom are doing?
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If I (as a tourist or resident)had been arrested and I was absolutely SURE I had not broken any laws (criminal damage, harrassment, whatever) I would seriously consider making a formal complaint to my country's Ambassador regarding the heavy-handed treatment received (on the say-so of another foreign National). Especially if I found out other people had been treated in a similar fashion.
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Regarding the refrigerated lorry: gökmenoglu is just the name of the company that sells refrigerated vehicles and nothing to do with the owner of this truck.
The owner of the truck is a greengrocer in Kaş. I traced the vehicle and spoke with one of the brothers. They were totally unaware of what the vehicle was going to be used for. They just rented it out and in fact were disgusted when I bought it to their attention.
I know the cynics amongst you will say "Oh yeah sure" but I have known these people for nearly 10 years and they have shown acts of kindness towards others.
None of their staff are in the photos.
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All Emails sent again
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Hi Just e mailed photos from yesterday as a back up in case I fail to get them onto Facebook. Have tried to follow instructions as to how to put them onto CBF but know I can't fathom this out at all. Hopefully she can put them onto the forum.
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Photos up and running on facebook.
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Have started compiling a dossier of arrests and heavy handed treatment.
However what we really need is arrests that are unwarrented and for no other purpose than someone is there and showing an interest, not tearing down the sign like the girl on FB.
Have got the impression from a few posts that some people are up for making some sort of protest. Well unauthorised protests are illegal in Turkey and cover almost anything we might consider almost passive.
It would be interesting though to know what would happen if a couple of people just happened to be wandering in the vicinity across the road maybe snapping a few shots of the views or making a little movie!
No peering through the net, no handing out of leaflets not tearing down the sign with your bare hands ;)
More information about a LEGAL protest planned to follow as soon as there is confirmation.
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Hisarönü makes the Turkish press
Haber Turk
strap line - small pool big protest
article against the pool yay!!!!
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There is only one Vet in Hisaronu and he has not been approached to sign off on the Dolphins. As the only Vet in that area he should be the one to do make the inspection.
He is not surprised that he has not been approached....
The Vet MUST be a Government registered Vet and must have knowledge and experience of Dolphins.
It would be a very foolish Vet without either of the above that tries to sign off on the Dolphins as they may find find they are suddenly a very famous Vet making Turkish news headlines and facing court action.
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The place looks an absolute shambles:-\ and it doesn't like Tom and Misha have moved
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Are people paying to go into this place?
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Originally posted by Dolphin Angels
Have started compiling a dossier of arrests and heavy handed treatment.
However what we really need is arrests that are unwarrented and for no other purpose than someone is there and showing an interest, not tearing down the sign like the girl on FB.
Sorry DA to possibly throw cold water on your plan, But people need to be careful, as to go there just to get arrested this could be construed as a public protest ( remember the Sit ins of the 60s). also you could leave yourself open for prosecution for possibly inciting this. I know you are doing splendid and deserved work, but dont leave yourself or the cause open to critism from the authorities, as this could do more harm than good.
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Originally posted by peecee
Got a friend arriving tomorrow (ex one of our boys in blue but a girl!)
Think we might go to Hisaronu tuesday, bit of lunch, bit of loitering, what fun:D
Peecee, not wishing to dampen your enthusiasm, but if as you say, your friend is and english police officer, then they must realise that if the get arrested here, how ever trumped up the charge is, they would have to report it to their own force when they return to the UK. They could also leave themselves open for disciplinary action from their force by bringing the police force into disrepute. I know all this, as I am a retired Police officer.
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Appreciate what you're saying Simpsons. We are not going to openly annoy the Russian but it seems to me he is having people arrested purely because he doesn't want bad publicity (which we won't do either). If he keeps having people carted off (for no reason)then I think the Jandarma will get fed up with him (if not already so).
Thanks for the advice, will talk to my friend and see reaction but personally think Jandarma would prefer not proceed down that line.
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In countries such as America and Australia are the Dolphinariums built on the coast or are any built inland?
Anticipating discussions regarding what is done in other countries.
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Point taken S.
However just for the record it is a public road and in fact the land where the pool is, is a public park according to the town plan. Parks by definition have a right to have unrestricted access.
Anyway, just to report that we have spent a delightful afternoon (3 hours) with our Lawyer and Barristor Sule Bedar and the representative of the largest group of Turkish newspapers DHA.
Hurriyet, Milliyet, Posta, Radikal, and television stations CNN Turk,Kanal D and Star...
Todays coverage included Haber Turk & Sok - back page of main papers and another one that begins with G.
Watch out for coverage in tomorrows papers interviews with Nicole Janes and Lee Smith ;) and TV appearance by Lawyer Sule Bedar
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http://www.milliyet.com.tr/turkiye-yi-utandiran-skandal-/yasam/sondakika/21.06.2010/1253506/default.htm
http://webtv.hurriyet.com.tr/category.aspx?cid=2&vid=7505&bid=1&hid=15091041
Other Turkish paper coverage Gozcu....
just adding another on line newspaper coverage of the DP
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SO sorry to hear of your treatment Rosy, must have been very shocking for you, although sounds like the Jandarma handled you very well. THose poor dolphins, hope they get let out soon-when will that inspection take place-surely it wont pass.
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Have been told by the head of the Mugla Veterinary Association that a vet named Tevfik has signed an agreement at the Public Notary in connection with the "care" of the "Hisaronu 2". According to him it is quite sufficient to hold a standard diploma and specific knowledge of marine mammals is not a pre-requisite in order to be deemed capable of their care!
Having looked at a full list of vets practising in Fethiye (available on the Mugla Veteriner Hekimler Odassi website) it won't surprise anyone that Tevfik Bey does not appear on that list! I have it on good authority that he is in fact retired....
Presumably no self-respecting practising vet would want to be associated with the Russian's venture, but surely it can't be strictly legal for a non-registered vet to take on this role, even if he has a diploma ?
Maybe another small legal loophole we could catch them on ? Any thoughts ?
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Perhaps he doesn't come from Fethiye? Dalaman, Kas (who signed them 'off' there?) Can we find out?
Could the Mugla Vet Assoc confirm that a standard diploma is sufficient?
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Kayacat - all info passed on to the lawyers...
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Not uncrossing my fingers yet but has a chink of light just appeared through the window!!!! With all the publicity from the Turkish papers, nobody who reads a paper in Turkey can say they don't know anything about the 'HELLHOLE'!!
Keep on going Dolphin Angels!!
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Went past the pool yesterday evening and could see at least 6 adults . There was also a person wearing a wetsuit in the pool with the Dolphins. Seemed as though he went underwater then a Dolphin would appear momentarily then submerge itself again. Maybe he was trying to stimulate the poor creatures into more action???--I do not really know.
Later in the evening there was no sign of the Dolphins as I watched for several minutes. No man eithher.
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I went by at lunchtime and actually saw Tom and Micha feeding. First time I've seen them actually pay any attention to one of their 'wardens'. They looked like they were responding to hand signals aswell. It was sad to watch but at least they were eating. How they must dream of chasing fish rather than having to perform for one.
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I do hope that THE RUSSIAN realises that all the attention the HellHole is getting is NOT people waiting for it to open - but people concerned with the dolphins welfare!
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Amazing work dolphin angels.....you are indeed angels... Carry on the great work we are all behind you every step of the way.
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Wish we could share everything we know with you... but that carefully worked out strategy I thought I saw mentioned somewhere is all going according to plan... :)
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Well done Angels. Bruce
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Keep going Dolphin Angels!
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The piece of land for the dolphinarium in KAÞ is rented by the Russian from the Government (not the Belediye). It is called HAZiNE land which is Treasury land. The Government rents out these pieces of land for tourism purposes. So -if the Russian can rent HAZiNE land, what is to stop the Dolphin Angels renting said land and constructing the first Rehabilition Centre and then gradually releasing ALL the dolphins in Turkey back to the wild??
As Martin Luther King said - we have a dream!
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this of course would be a dream... and or as past of it create Turkeys first educational facility in the sea with a huge area netted off not like those titchy pens in Kas.
Rehabilitation and conservation with opportunities for research involving students from the Universities that could be open to the public.
If only the owners could see the potential to still make a profit but done in such in a way that is environmentally friendly and educational. People would queue to visit just like they do to visit Turtle Beach in Dalyan.
We have the plan, the location and could raise the money to get the ball rolling...
If we get the chnace we will offer this solution but unfortunately for now these ideas fall on deaf ears :(
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Shame we could not convince the Russian that he could make more money that way.
That would be some turnaround.
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For those who are not on Facebook
http://www.facebook.com/l.php?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DETtjQuYsO-o&h=4915dHoPEz0-tLNOLt99g775ZIA
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The urgent petition I set up is now closed. Great result 1258 signatures!! These will now be sent to all the decision makers and other relevant contacts! There are many great comments on the petition, including many Turkish people and Turkish tourists. I hope they will have a read through them and realize this protest is world wide! Hope this will help towards setting Tom and Misha free! I'm also asking all the petition signers to visit the facebook group and send the urgent letters. A VOICE FOR CAPTIVE DOLPHINS members have been sending lots of letters as well. I've been getting more messages than ever with people getting involved.
You are doing an amazing job Dolphin Angels!! Behind you all the way, as much as I possibly can!
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Turkish coverage and meet our Lawyer...
http://www.haberler.com/fethiye-yunus-parki-na-tepki-buyuyor-2116214-haberi/
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Why is the Fethiye Times so quiet on a subject that is of such interest locally? Its as if neither the HellHole or the campagne exist as far as FT is concerned
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PLEASE READ...
We have the longest topic in CBF history (118 pages) and this shows the level of feeling on the subject. This topic has needed very little moderation and that is a compliment to those who have contributed and our commitment to stand firm with you against this facility.
It is important that posts are based on the plight of the dolphins, and facts surrounding the facility. Please only post factual comments on people involved in the saga. Please ask yourself if you can PROVE everything you have written if challenged to
CBF supports the fight entirely and will continue to do so. It is important that we keep this topic open and focussed. This means in short that any potentially libellous contributions will be removed, and if it becomes a habit so will the authors.
It is crucially important that the CBF dolphin topic is not compromised by dubious emotional opinion or accusation.
Thanks.
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The Fethiye team are in UK for a couple of months & Sat am is the only time they have to do the site.... they are with us in spirit though ;)
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thats great Keith and also we had another thread running simultaneously for quite a while so even more if we add that in too... :D
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You have to watch this - I took some of the footage used and it has made me cry...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ETtjQuYsO-o
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The Russian may be running out of money, but still spending it seems. This morning it looked like another lorry of poor quality topsoil had been delivered and heavy machinery was working within the perimeter right next to the pool - very dusty and noisy. Any additional stress caused to the dolphins is obviously of little importance to the management.
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That is the most moving footage that tells the story of why we are fighting so hard for these two Dolphins.
We are going to try and link this up with a TV for tomorrow night so everyone can understand what we are doing.
Well done whoever put it all together and like you Dolphin Angels it bought a tear to our eyes.
Fi & Eric
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Couldn agree more with you Fi...so moving...this is what its all about..hope your event tomorrow night goes well up in Uzumlu...hope tonights curry and quiz night at Start Apart goes well and both events raise lots of money for the dolphin fund.
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We'd like to say a big thank you to Apollo and Heather07 for working on the text for the Dolphin leaflet.
Would have said so before but it has been a bit manic recently.
The 2 versions were circulated to a few people and we have decided to stay with the In Captivity vs In Nature style but add a little bit of extra text from Heathers to Apollos.
So both contributions will be used.
Now, in theory we would go to design and print BUT the DP is not open yet PLUS it may never open...
In the event that situation changes then we will immediately go to print and the plan is to have them distributed throughout the season in the LOL newspaper and also available at any bar, hotel, restaurant and local tour operator that wants them.
There will be extra run offs for anyone else that wants to take some for their villa guest folder or to spread around where ever.
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heart breaking. I can't tell you what I would like to do to that Russian B*****
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I have been avidly reading this thread every day and it is wonderful the way people have responded... well everyone bar one .....I haven't commented before because all of what I wanted to say has already been said by other people. My heart goes out to those poor Dolphins and you have my utmost admiration for all that you are doing to help them.I have sent off emails including one to the Govenor of Mugla expressing my disgust at the treatment of the Dolphins and also Turkeys part in allowing this to happen. Carry on the amazing work on their behalf and I truly wish you all the luck possible in achieving your aims to free them from captivity. Time to stand up and be counted so I am eagerly awaiting more developements where we can make our voices heard. Well done everyone who cares enough to protest.
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Very powerful video Dolphin Angels! That just brought it all home... very painful to see, but will be sharing with everyone I know! I'm not sure if it's possible, but you might want to remove the link for the second petition as this one is now closed and I'm sending the results to all the contacts we have. Sorry to be a pain, don't want to give you any more work to do than you already have! Bless you dolphin angels!
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Fantastic video DA well if that does not get the message across then I don't know what can, certainly brings tears to your eyes. Keep up the fantastic work you and your team of angels.
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Hope the little 'SNEAKS' in Nadia's Bar have loads of room left on their camera for Saturday!! Can somebody try and get a picture of the Russian would love to see his face when confronted by those 'British women have have nothing else to do'!!!
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my friend and I had a good walk round the pond yesterday. You cannot see the pond at all as it has now been screened with blue 'tarp' on the perimeter of the pool itself. So, cannot see Dolphins at all.
We even went into an upstairs empty apartment but cannot see anything.
So, cannot say what the Dolphins are doing (or if they're even in there)
Certainly not a welcoming place for tourists ;)
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there is a comment on utube under the video from 'cpcastar' Would just like to say it is not from me!!
Language like that not neccesary
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Something BIG is happening today - no, not the Uzumlu Cadianda Quiz night although that will be the ONLY place to be for the latest news and views plus quiz plus raffle with loads of great prizes.
Will report here as soon as we know exactly what has happened or come along tonight to get it all first hand.
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Below is a translation of a video that the Dolphin people have put out on Haber.com. It is on the FB page. Thanks to Mary Theresa for the translation..
PLEASE POST THIS OUT EVERY WHERE
THE GUY SAYS IT IS NOT A HOTEL POOL AND THAT IT WAS BUILT UNDER GUIDELINES OF THE COUNCIL AND THE MARINE WORLD!! ON THE SIZE HE SAYS PEOPLE ARE COMPLAINING BUT HAVE NOT MENTIONED THE DEPTH OF THE WATER AND THE SIZE IS TO STANDARD THAT WAS RECOMMENDED!!! HE SAYS WE ARE THE... 12TH DOLPHINARIUM IN TURKEY AND WE ARE GOOD IN EVERYTHING WHERE THE DOLPHINS ARE CONCERNED,HE SAYS FOR THE FIRST COUPLE OF DAYS THE DOLPHINS WERE STRESSED AS THEY HAD CHANGED THEIR ENVIRONMENT, HE IS ALSO SAYING THAT THE PUBLIC HAS LIED AS ALL PICS ETC WERE FROM WHEN THEY FIRST ARRIVED AND THAT THE DOLPHINS ARE HAPPY AND THAT THEY LOVE THEM VERY MUCH.TO CUT A LONG STORY SHORT SHE SAYS THE DOLPHINS ARE LIKE HER BABIES AND OF COURSE FOR THE FIRST COUPLE OF DAY THEY WERE SAD BUT NOW THEY ARE HAPPY PLAYING EATING ETC! AS TO THE NOISE SHE SAYS IT IS NOT POSSIBLE TO GIVE THEM THE PERFECT HOME ANY WHERE IN THE WORLD AND THAT THEY ARE USED TO NOISE AND WAIT FOR THIS THE STUPID WOMAN SAYS...... THAT ITS LIKE EVERYTHING FOR US ALL WE MAY NOT LIKE OUR ENVIRONMENT BUT WE JUST HAVE TO GET USED TO IT AND MISHA AND TOM HAVE TO AS WELL (OK GETTING ANNOYED NOW)
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Akdeniz local Fethiye newspaper runs story today - only two words for it TOTAL NONSENSE
They allege the couldn't find any body to give the "English" side so this based on an interview with the Russian and his sidekick Ibrahim Dilek.
The headlines reads something like this
The Russians and English fight for the land puts Turkey in a difficult situation
The gist of the story is basically as follows.
The Russian says that the English are against the Doplphin Park not because they are for the Dolphins but because they want the land for their own business interests.
Some English people see Hisaronu as an English village and they have other plans for the area and they think they should have a say in every decision.
7000 emails have been sent from only 3 computers.
The Russian owner says we have invested lots of money for the tourism here and the Dolphins are really happy here.
The English don't want us to do business here.
The things that are said in the newspapers is not for the Dolphins but for their (English) trade aim and money for themselves.
Ibrahim Dilek says the pool is built above EU standards.
In the article they allege the Sun coverage says the pool is in a hotel. WRONG
The "journalist" who wrote this has now been given our Lawyers phone number
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Unbelievable.....Stupid C*w.....really really tugs at my heart strings this...talking of strings, could think of a good use!.
Just keep plugging away everyone... we will win I know we will.
Forum members are just amazing....just amazing.....such great people to be associated with....
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Ok I'll go first
1. The Sun article does not even contain the word hotel
Next..?
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Its all so hideous surely it wouldnt be taken seriously!
What business interests could 11500 people on FB have in Hisaronu!
7000 emails for 3 computers !! Ridiculous!
Makes my blood boil, could really swear..............
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Regarding the pool being in a hotel, there is one article in the Turkish "Milliyet" (link on Page 117 of this forum) in which the Turkish journalist is mis-quoting or mis-translating the article that appeared in The Sun I think. They talk about a "tesis" which is owned by the Russian, but instead of complex in the general sense they have construed it as a hotel complex..... Still the fact they are resorting to such tactics and mis-quotes only further shows how paranoid they must be feeling.
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Originally posted by Scunner
Ok I'll go first
1. The Sun article does not even contain the word hotel
Next..?
Unfortunately the German papers have said it is an hotel pool. I spent half the weekend corrcting people who have commented on it being a hotel.
But English people could NOT start a business in Turkey so why would they want the land?
Stuff him.... let the people make an informed decision about whether they want it or not.
We will continue to inform.[:(!]
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On reflection I say forget this article!
If you are in business and can't buy at least one positive report in Turkey, you're in the wrong game :D
Laugh at such an amateur attempt at a positive take on two wild animals from the mighty ocean now dumped in a gap between two bars. For the record, as an English person with experience of business in Turkey, far from wanting land like this I'd rather give it away than have a business on it, thanks all the same.
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I have just been sent a link for another Turkish newspaper who has also ran the story!! It is .......
http://www.stargundem.com/guncel/1038818-ingiliz-the-sun-gatetesinin-yunus-baliklarina-iskence-haberine-yalanlama-haberi.html
I think it has the same theme as the others as I could only Google translate....
Any publicity is GOOD publicity! The more money the Russian pays out to promote the 'HELLHOLE' brings it closer to being SHUT DOWN!!
In this article Mayor Yilmaz is quoted as saying the Russian has a contract for 3 years! I didn't know any one dolphin since 2006 contained at Kas has LIVED that LONG! Please correct me anybody if I am wrong!
Did you all know that they also transported 3 Beluga Whales to Kas? They all DIED! One didn't even make it out of the holding pen!
Thought certain papers in the UK wrote a load of rubbish but it seems Turkish papers write even more!!
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MU#286;LA - The British newspaper The Sun in Mugla's Fethiye district for tourists to enjoy the pool with the dolphins are left in the direction of torture have been denied the news. Dolphins into a depression not unlike what was stated and be cheerful. Oludeniz who allegedly carried out by a group of English news, municipal land claimed by the Russians were getting after the exacerbation.
British newspaper The Sun, Oludeniz to entertain tourists from a hotel swimming pool in the shape of two dolphins news was revealed. News of the dolphin under the supervision of veterinarians for routine control of the video was made by taking a moment, "Fish is torture" was given in the form. The arguments put forward by business owners were denied by the mayor and Ölüdeniz. As stated in the hotel pool dolphin facility owner stating that Alexander Kuznetsov, the news was out of the side and aimed at undermining tourism says. According to the Russian operator of a close relationship between Turkey and Russia has infuriated the British, so they are doing this type of news. Kuznetsov, 11 and 22 meter length of the fish in the pond where it is, but the depth of 4.10 meters at the world standard is very high, he added. British newspaper The dolphins moved tortured, and around the hotel from loud music because tramva lived such news completely unfounded, indicating that the Kuznetsov, the facility in the vicinity of the hotel is not available, the captured images as well dolphins veterinarian by day care yapilirklen withdraw said. Previously Ölüdeniz Municipality owned park area convenient place that specifies Kuznetsov, here they want to dolphinarium opposed to two or three English and that such persons at the parking area and also an English village as they Hisarönü there will be any investment referred to in have said they want to. With them about seven thousand complaints a done their investigation after the complaint to all of the three computers out of that detected explaining Kuznetsov, "where a serious tourism investment we made. I want to block those objectives dolphin to help not. Already dolphins also a very good case live. Someone Oludeniz In such a facility to be does not want. We reacted as one of the fish, the torture of that yet. They are our part of our. People own tracks how torture makes. These Fethiye Tourism in the slander invented to several British by was put forward false allegations are. We are here to open We have received permission from each institution. Now it has come to get licenses. " he said.
"TOURIST with Yunus does not entertain, DO THERAPY"
Business Manager Ibrahim Dilek the dolphins in the park as stated in the news not been fun for tourists, said disabled children to do therapy. Park currently licensed operations not complete the customer also did not receive the attention that wish, "We have a picture of our processes have completed. Permits to take look. Yet customers do not. We are now here, animal health are interested. Their new environment to get familiar with the offer." was in the form.
Yunus was 2 DAYS BID
Burçin Öztürk said that fish do babysitting, is extremely high for dolphins was passed moral. Dolphins were brought by sea from the pool in Kas was not confined to the pool and was transferred to transfer Öztürk Fethiye'ki pool, getting used to the new location of the animals suffer from two days, he said. This problem normally in a pool two weeks to extend that but Oludeniz in the pool this time 2 Days point was describing the trainer Burcin Ozturk, "If the dolphins places familiar unable tramva spend, they face not. Dinner do not eat. Under the water it goes up soon. But our dolphins our caregivers with the play, they also eat their meals without interruption. " he said.
District of VETERINARY AND MUNICIPAL ANALYSIS TO TIME is 2 WEEKS
Keramettin Ölüdeniz Mayor Yilmaz said that what happened in the evaluation, the three-year contract themselves out of this area said. Ornamental and show pool the park to the awarded three thousand square meters area companies here dolphin therapy to organize said Yilmaz, "We as a municipality, agriculture and environment ministries legal consent after receiving this business open license to offer. We have a thousand 200 cubic meters of water in Only two of them in charge of the dolphins and the local vets getirdiler.Fethiye our District 2 times per week for the dolphins and the pool is checked. We reported the fish were very healthy and groomed. " he said.
Contribute a better translation
This is the google translation of the above article,I'm confused!!
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http://www.stargundem.com/guncel/1038818-ingiliz-the-sun-gatetesinin-yunus-baliklarina-iskence-haberine-yalanlama-haberi.html
Article basically says the people that run the DP say that the Sun coverage doesn't reflect the reality. The Dolphins are not depressed; they are happy. The news is made by a few people that live in Oludeniz.
The English don't like the fact that Russian people rented the land. Accordiing to the Sun the Dolphins are put in a hotel pool just for the fun of their customers.
The Oludeniz Mayor and the owner of the Dolphins do not accept the Dolphins are tortured by being in the pool.
Turkey and Russia has a really good relationship and English people don't like this and this news is just to stop tourism developing in Turkey.
The pool is 11 x 20 (wrong) x 4m and is above the standards and we didn't torture them the way they were brought to the pool and they are not disturbed by the noise from the hotels.
The Vets are checking them every day.
The park belonged to the Belediye council and wasn't used by the public so we wanted to make a Dolphin Park here. Just 2 or 3 English people are against this. These people see Hisaronu as and English village and want to have a control over every decision.
Over 7000 e mails were sent but after researching it we found only 3 computers were used to send these.
We made a serious investment here and the people that want to stop this is not because they want to help the Dolphins but because they don't want a complex like this in Oludeniz. The Dolphins are happy here.
We don't torture the Dolphins they are part of us how can we torture what is a part of us.
Goes on in same vein...
We have permission from every office for this and are just waiting for the last licence.
Dilek PA to owner says we are not entertaining tourists we are doing therapy here for disabled children. We don't open to tourist yet because we are waiting for last licence.
Ozturk the trainer says we didn't bring them from the sea and put them in prison. They adapted to their new place in 2 days, sometimes it can take up to 2 weeks.
If Dolphins weren't happy they wouldn't swim or eat or dip in and out. But the Dolpins play and eat their food.
Keramettin says we rented it for 3 years for a show pool - the company wanted it for Dolphin therapy.
After we get licence from the Ministry of Agriculture and the Ministry of Environment we will give a licence for this place.
A vet come twice a week and they say the Dolphins are very happy and looked after well.
God that was tedious! Talk about repetitive and full of contradictions.
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In the Turkish newspapers the Russian has accused us English/Irish/German (anyone who is protesting against this Dolphinarium) of lying about helping Dolphins and claims we want the land for our own business purposes. Not true. Unless he means we want it to used for it's rightful purpose, a designated open, free children's play area for all children, Turkish, British, Chinese, German etc.
Is this a rumour he has been told or is it because he's trying to ‘persuade' the Turks we want to run their country?. ‘They don't want to help the Dolphins, they just want to make money‘ He doesn't seem to realise 95% of us are retired and have no interesting in making money or working. We've got enough, thank you, and wish to sit back and enjoy it. So, Mr Kutzesnov you're lying to the Turkish people when you say ‘the English want the ground'.
What we ARE interested in is the cruelty you are inflicting on these two magificent Dolphins just so YOU, a Russian and Yabanci, can make a lot of money. You are charging £50 (115tl) per person to swim with the Dolphins for 6 minutes. You CLAIM that this 6 minutes of ‘therapy' can alter the lives of people with severe illnesses.
Perhaps spending hundeds of hours swimming with them may help an illness. But unless and until I see scientific medical PROOF that 6 minutes will be ‘life-changing' I, sir, am calling you a liar. Show us and the Turkish people your proof.
You also claim that the thousands of complaints have come from 3 computers. Bearing in mind that you will have to prove that, in Court, and that Microsoft (or another other provider) WOULD NOT approve an IP address trace unless a serious crime has been commited you should be very careful what you and your sidekick Ibrahim Dilek, as your translator, claim in the media. It works both ways.
You, sir, are the liar.
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Seems to me the Russian is running scared. 7000 emails from 3 computers - if it wasn't so serious it would be laughable. I'm actually feeling really optimistic that this ludicrous and cruel venture won't even get off the ground and will close before its even opened. And like peecee says, I'd love to see him prove what he says about the emails. The cr*p he comes out (the Russian, not peecee) actually leaves me speechless!!
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The battle lines are drawn - the good and the truth on one side - lies and desparation on the other... and still NO LICENCE TO OPEN.
The third month of a six month season approaches and the place is still a shambles, building work continues and who knows whats going on in that pool now it is completely surrounded by that blue tarpaulin.
What is clear is that the DP people will stoop low and stop at nothing spreading lies and misinformation. Just as they try to have someone arrrested for something they didn't do they make up nonsense about the English which is all so ridiculous it would be laughable if it wasn't so serious.
Serious for the Dolphins that is, because it is of great concern that the Dolphins are now completely enclosed surrounded by tarpaulin on all sides of the pool - it must be like a greenhouse in there.
It begs the question why? What is there to hide?
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Originally posted by Dolphin Angels
Something BIG is happening today - no, not the Uzumlu Cadianda Quiz night although that will be the ONLY place to be for the latest news and views plus quiz plus raffle with loads of great prizes.
Will report here as soon as we know exactly what has happened or come along tonight to get it all first hand.
Have I missed the report? Being in UK at the mo we cant attend in person but are looking for updates all the times
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Waiting for clarification from Lawyer about something that was reported yesterday as said by our esteemed Mayor...
Important at this stage now legal action is imminent not to mis report.
We will report every thing we can as soon as we can, promise ;)
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OK - clarification received from solicitor.
The Russian said in a TV report yesterday that the park area itself would be open to the public.
This is in response to our position that the land where the Dolphin Park is located is actually a designated park land (as shown on the town plan)and members of the public are entitled by law to free and unrestricted access.
He also said that it would just be the pool with the Dolphins in that people would be charged for getting in and swimming with the Dolphins (at £50 per person).
This is of course ludicrous as that pool also takes up space that is designated as public park land; clearly the poor guy is grasping at straws.
We do not advise anyone at this time to test out this claim that we as the public can enter the park area for free.
However we do urge you all here in Turkey where ever you are to join the legally organised protest Friday 2nd July 5-7pm.
Follow this link for details and to RSVP
http://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=131382120216858index=1
Actually this is probably a once in a lifetime opportunity.
You will almost certainly never have an opportunity to take part in a legally organised protest in Turkey again and it will give you all a bit of street cred with friends and family to be part of this historic event.
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If we can legally walk across the park land, why are people being arrested for merely looking into the "park land"? Why is he hiding the "park land" with fences and tarpaulin. Another contradiction and lie from the Russian, no surely not!
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Now we have gone public on the basis for court action in the event the council tries to issue a licence which incidently in itself will be an abuse of its power and also form part of the legal case against this pool they are trying to back peddle.
Unfortunately the owner of the DP has been led to believe that everything will be ok (for him).
Never before has this sort of opposition been encountered and now they know that we are one step away from court should the council try to issue a licence which can only be given by the Min of Ag this is now how the owners are responding - no doubt to pacify opponents to the DP.
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Would just like to say if you don't feel comfortable being part of the 'walk' from the little roundabout to the dolphinarium (but, as the Dolphin Angels say, this is an historical event) PLEASE do come and support us from the sidelines.
I personally think this Dolphinarium is an affront, is extremely offensive to all, especially those who will be 'coerced' into believing it will help their children's health etc. if they fork £50 to be in a substandard swimming pool for 6 minutes with 2 Dolphins who will, in all reality, not react with the swimmers.
This needs as much support as possible.
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Haven't translated this yet but its probably the same old tosh as reported yesterday. Just posted here for the record!!1
http://www.haberler.com/yunus-tepkisi-buyuyor-2116867-haberi/
The sleaze at the beginning of the interview is the one that took my number and warned me off. I took his number and warned him off too hahah ;)
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Originally posted by peecee
You also claim that the thousands of complaints have come from 3 computers. Bearing in mind that you will have to prove that, in Court, and that Microsoft (or another other provider) WOULD NOT approve an IP address trace unless a serious crime has been commited you should be very careful what you and your sidekick Ibrahim Dilek, as your translator, claim in the media. It works both ways.
You, sir, are the liar.
It is possible to get the IP address of a computer that sent an email from the header but it is also very easy to read the header information wrongly and instead of the originators IP he could mistakenly be looking at a mail server IP. This could belong to GMail, Yahoo or one of the other big mail services. It could even be a server dedicated to receiving or forwarding mail to Turkey. Also what emails is he referring to. If they are the ones sent to the mayor or any other official at their official Turkish email address then I think it is very wrong that these are being past on to the person that the complaints are about. The time it takes to check 7000 headers is vast if done by hand so there is a chance that it was done by an automated system and the only people who use this sort of software are large companies and governments to stop denial of service attacks. I for one would very interested in were he has received his information.
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Yes and also the time it takes for 3 people to generate 7000 email addresses and send an email from each is also vast - and possibly longer than the time this whole issue has been in existence. Maybe the 12,000+ (how many is it now) in the Facebook protest group are actually all 3 people working to make it look busy? And everyone who has objected on CBF - all members dreamed up by these 3 people?
Do you actually exist? Do I actually exist...there's a thought!
These are a few straws being clutched by people who don't see reality as the rest of us do - and haven't for some time.
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We think every one of us should pop on a plane next Thursday if not already here and join the protest! A quick weekend break!
Come on guys you know you want too... ;)
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I deperately want to and looked up the cost of flights today - unfortunately its outside my budget but I will urge all my friends in Turkey to turn up on my behalf. I'll be there in spirit and waiting for the reports....
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http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xdsdx0_fethiye-hisaronu-yunus-parky-delphi_animals
Same footage of our Lawyer ªule explaining why we are against the DP - different On-line news forum
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Oh we do, we do. If only I could be there, like others I have even looked up flights but unfortunately not possible. Dolphin Angel, could you please get the gals to use the "Group invite" facility on facebook! Some people still don't know! Many thanks
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Dolphin Pool Peaceful Protest
Date: Friday, 02 July 2010
Time: 17:00 - 19:00
Location: Hisarönü
Street: Roundabout opposite the Robin Hood Restaurant
Town/City: Hisarönü, Turkey
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Hisaronu street carnival is the day before the protest. Can it be used to spread word or would that be illegal.
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Sorry the carnival cannot be used for that and shouldn't be, someones hard work to make an enjoyable day as we had in Calis should be given respect, I hope they have a great day.
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You are so wise Tinks...and I have tunnel vision:-\
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Has anyone seen Tom and Misha in the past 24 hours or so? there are some concerns as people have not seen them at all. If anyone lives locally and has the chance to have a look around, please let us know what you find. Perhaps listen out for splashing or breathing by the dolphins, or anything else that might suggest what is going on! Thanks everyone! :-)
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Hi Krieny. I have just had a check. I couldn't hear our guys because the water pumps were too loud. This has got to be a good sign that the pumps were going. It is so frustrating to not be able to see that they are ok!
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We went down today. The pool area is now totally blocked off with blue tarpaulin, around and above the hellhole, no chinks anywhere for even a glimpse of the dolphins. There was one man sat next to the "pool" reading a newspaper. Very loud generator going...listened hard for some kind of splashing or water sounds but heard nothing. VERY worrying.
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The Dolphins are still alive - they were seen this morning.
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Hi Krieny, Chocoholic, Janmack and all who are worried and frustrated. I too can confirm that the dolphins are alive and in fact moving more than last week. The incesant "bobbing" seems to have ceased and though they are moving as you might expect them to, it is certainly no indication that they are content with their new hellish environment. My observations were that they were confining themselves very much to the centre of the sink. I realise just how worrying and frustrating it is to not be able to even see and hear them any more, but wanted to reassure you they are alive.
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Thanks for letting us know they are still there.
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Thanks for letting us know!!!!
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May I ask how you monitor the dolphins? We don't want to create any hassle when we visit Hisaronu especially as the the place is padlocked. We have never seen any staff to talk to. We've seen a couple of guys inside the fence but they just sit there (obliviously) reading.
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Look out for a follow up article in the Sun early this week. Hopefully it won't get bounced off the front page again because of the football!
When the report comes out let us know as it may not be in the Turkish edition - it wasn't last time and we still don't know why.
Then we will be able to elaborate a bit more about what is going on here for you.
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checked the "online sun"...its not in today.!!!
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Its in the Sun today.
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/showbiz/tv/soaps/3032423/Coronation-Streets-Helen-Worth-attempts-to-save-dolphins-in-Turkey.html
But lets not forget the hard work done by the Dolphin Angels. There dosn't seem to be a mention of them.
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Originally posted by brianthegardener
checked the "online sun"...its not in today.!!!
It's in the on-line Sun today Brian on the front page - largely due to the fact that Helen Worth, aka Gail Tilsley, and actress and x Factor judge Amanda Holden are fronting the campaign in the UK .... which can do no harm to the cause whatsover!!!
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/showbiz/tv/soaps/3032423/Coronation-Streets-Helen-Worth-attempts-to-save-dolphins-in-Turkey.html
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This is brilliant news and really raises the profile of the campaign even more. Will Helen still be here Friday to join us on the protest?
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Its on Page 11 of the Sun today with Gail from Coronation street out there with the boys and also Amanda Holden is getting involved x
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This is great news......
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Certainly is, and here is the story Edit: For people like me who came straight to page 125 and didn't see the link on page 124 :D
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/showbiz/tv/soaps/3032423/Coronation-Streets-Helen-Worth-attempts-to-save-dolphins-in-Turkey.html
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Fantastic news.
All praise should go to the Dolphinangels though, whom have worked so very hard on Misha & Toms behalf.
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Well not all the praise :D
Praise must go to Helen Worth who also got off her butt and travelled to Hisaronu - without her there was no second story for the Sun to run so much praise to her for that.
As well as much praise for the DolphinAngels of course :)
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True. Helen Worth has responded with actions, and is speaking out on behalf of Misha & Tom, and should be given credit for her work on behalf of dolphins all over the world, and it greatly appreciated, but I doubt that she would have known about this if it wasn't for the Dolphin angels and the other good people on this forum and facebook, who have posted about the plight of Misha & Tom. The Dolphin angels have done so much work, tirelessly, to bring the plight of these two beautiful creatures to public awareness.
Without yourself Scunner, and the Dolphinangels informing us about this 'attraction' I think that it would have been open to the public by now, and we would have only found out about it when the deal was done and tickets were being sold.
I truly believe now that with all the publicity surrounding this 'puddle' that the Russian will not be granted his license, as this really has become a political 'hot potato' for the govt agencies who have been involved.
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Glad they're both involved and well done to Dolphin Angels and all the others who are fighting this on the ground x
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Well done indeed to everyone involved and in particular to Born Free representatives Shirley, Alison and Born Free Patron Helen Worth for making the trip to see for themselves the shabby pool that measures 19 by 11 metres not 22 x 11 if we are actually talking about the amount of area available for the 2 Dolphins to swim in.
A few of the Dolphin Angels met with the Born Free team and are delighted they are offering their support and the details of that are being worked out.
However as I write this I have today been told that 2 of "us" were able to walk into the park and could for £70 each swim with the Dolphins for 10 minutes :-\ !
More news as it comes in...
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Hot off the press
No licence has been given (yet) by either the Min of Ag or Min of Env. We have that news from the top bods in Ankara. They say they are not going to either - lets wait and see!
The DP people have been given permission by some one in Fethiye to sell nuts crisps etc from their kiosk in the Public Park. That is all.
They have absolutely no right to sell swim with Dolphis; it is illegal.
Anyone who is offered a swim with Dolphins please report here.
We have also today formally filed the legal papers for all information relating to this debacle with the Oludeniz Belediye.
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Fantastic news :D[8][8]
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no activity at the pool when i came past at 6.30 Turkish time...Nadiars was quiet to, no one in at all.:D
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:D:D:D ;) ;) ;): :): :): :)
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Sometimes in life it's better to back no horse than to back the wrong horse.
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(http://img704.imageshack.us/img704/3316/bornfreevisit003.jpg)
Official Update
Legal action
Power of attorney has been handed over to Sule our Lawyer who has now applied for all the paperwork relating to this case from the Belediye.
Licence
We were expecting an announcement about the decision for the licence this week. This has not materialised yet and both Ministries say they are not going to give one!
Born Free Visit
We have been in regular contact with Born Free (and WDCS) on an information sharing basis. They told us in confidence they were coming two days before they arrived. They arrived on Friday and left on Saturday.
It was a full on trip and a lot of ground was covered. Last night they joined us for a pre arranged wine tasting that was also doubling up as an informal discussion on rehab planning for Misha and Tom.
We had lengthy discussions about the progress of the campaign and planned legal action to date as well as discussions about options for rehab last attempted 15 years ago.
Meeting with Alexsandr
Born Free staff and actor Helen Worth met Alexsandr on Saturday morning and opened negotiations regarding the current situation and they discussed possible solutions. While Alexsandr is confident he will get his licence he was receptive to proposals and suggestions for which Born Free will be prepared to offer advice and expertise plus more (tbc).
Our responsibilities now include preparing a comprehensive document with all the facts relating to the Hisaronu Dolphin Park including the basis for the legal action and the potential for rehabilitation for Misha and Tom. Born Free will make an assessment and decisions about their involvement based on our report.
They have said to us that they will not enter into anything half heartedly and if they get involved that their involvement extends to financial support as well as their expertise in the form of qualified staff.
They have no intention of taking over the campaign but want to work alongside us as partners. They said they were very impressed with the work carried out by all of us - that includes you.
Proposals and costings for the area located for rehab are being worked up and the appropriate licences need to be obtained. The Dolphins will need a full health check to ascertain if they are suitable for rehab. Otherwise other options will be on the table for discussion.
There is a lot of detailed work to be done and legal action is still an essential part of the plan.
Press coverage
A local journalist wrote an article based on the events of the two days with Born Free staff Shirley, Alison and Born Free Patron Helen Worth. This was provided to the Sun newspaper but they did make substantial changes and excluded some of what we consider to be significant developments. Clearly it was translated into Sun speak for their audience
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Looks like gail has found a new man
Ha ha
Sorry for the humour, you guys have done a brilliant job to get as far as you have,I for one wish you all the luck in the world and sorry i cant be there for the duration
Well Done
Ron 8)
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I refused her offer of a boat trip:D
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I've been off-line for a day and look what has happened. Well done to all the guys and girls involved, and to Helen Worth and Born Free. This licence is going back and forth, (well it is Wimbledon time) Great news, thankyou
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Fantastic developments and so good to hear everyone is working together. Im so impressed that Helen responded in such a short time
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I know there are more important matters to attend to, but would it be possible for someone, at some point, to put names to faces in the photo.
We know Tink and his lovely wife, and Brenda and I had the great pleasure of meeting Nichola earlier this month but do not know any of the other wonderful people.
Thanks in advance.
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This really is good news,so many people doing such good work,lots of people who signed petitions ime sure would have wanted to be there in person like me unfortunately not able to stuck here in the UK. Well done everybody. 8)
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That is wonderful. Well done to all those involved.
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@Dolphin Angels, please forward to your lawyer the following: Perhaps(?) it helps to check with Accobams Law of protection for such animals. Turkey seems(?) to be a member. Please ask your lawyer to take a look at http://www.accobams.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=articleid=46itemid=1
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That address does not open. Try this one;
http://www.accobams.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=category&layout=blogid=68itemid=1
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Thanks we have the ACCOMBS information - the Turkish representative Prof Bayram Ozturk is known to us.
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Wow, amazing news everyone! Can't believe how far this whole campaign has come!! I just can't say enough how great I think you all are! Campaigning for captive dolphins has been a part of my life since a young age and it is just so amazing to see this all unfold! Thank you dolphin angels, thank you everyone involved, you are all stars! May the day come soon where we can just smile and be grateful that Tom and Misha are free! Keep up this amazing work you are all doing! x
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To be honest the real work is just starting now... help!
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I sent emails to Germans newspapers, and will send more today last to Swedish,french etc... I will be off for July and then return and join you again. I will not be satisfied till I know these abused dolphins are in rehab. How can we help when we aren't there?
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Originally posted by Dolphin Angels
To be honest the real work is just starting now... help!
We are stuck in the UK until mid July - but are happy to do absolutely anything we can to help from here...and then from 20th onwards when we are back in Fethiye, count us in. Love to you all xxx
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Here is an inspiring story of success by 'Arc' (http://www.animalscyprus.org/Dolphinarium.html) . They told me they had to do a lot of local and EU political 'lobbying' to evict the (also Russian run) 'dolphinarium' in Cyprus. They worked a lot with law issues and finally Cyprus changed the law and banned the import of cetaceans. The dolphins in Cyprus were used for the nichtclub bar with the loud music on for the tourists to 'dance with dolphins'. Disgusting.... With Turkey having 50 dolphins in captivity its not going to be that easy but there is hope and your operation in this particular case could be the avalanche that will fell on all other cases in Turkey.
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About Accobams, I am not sure if they signed the agreement fully or not. On the accobams website they appear not signed in. Maybe its not a full member. It worth to check out the exact position of Turkey in accobams in the future. And if they are not signed in when are they going to sign the papers? This kind of detail can act very bad against dolphin importation from Russia in there future.
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I have emailed Arc in Cyprus and they told me for anything you need you have their full support. They cannot do much practically for the dolphins in Oludeniz cause now they work hard to also evict the Limassol Zoo on cement but they respond to all letters if you need something to ask. http://www.animalscyprus.org/Contact.html
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Annazw
I noticed Aruba on your profile (now changed to Greece since I posted)
Is that the Caribbean Aruba.
Just drawing attention to the ever expanding Global interest. :D
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Mike A Private message her. Please keep this for relevant news. Thanks
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She's a lot closer to Hisaronu than the Caribbean Mike.
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copied from FB..
Born Free patron Helen Worth will be interviewed on BBC WM today at approximately 2.05pm about the Hisaronu dolphins. You can listen online at the following link by clicking on the ‘Listen Live' icon: http://www.bbc.co.uk/wm/programmes
For more information on how Born Free Foundation is involved in this campaign..., visit our website www.bornfree.org.uk
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Hi, I am Greek and live in another country, Cyprus till recently but not anymore. I have a blog about the recently opened (and first ever) 'delphinarium' circus called 'ATTIKO PARKO' in Athens Greece (freegreekdolphins.blogspot.com) and got interested into Misha and Tom cause their plights is far worse. They have to be released first into a larger pool and then get rehab and be released into sea, very conveniently the sea is just metres away both in Greece and Turkey. The sea between the two countries is virtually filled with large packs of dolphins. Six dolphins were killed in illegal bomb-fishing in northen Greece lately, to prove that. The good thing though is that so far we havent heard of dolphins being 'rescued' from the mediterrenean sea or Aegeum sea to end up in circus shows, most dolphins under this plight come from the Black Sea (Russia,Ukraina), as the dolphins in Cyprus that got evicted, the dolphins in Turkey (most of the 50 dolphins there) and many more from Lithuania who end up in Greece, Italy and Spain in large numbers (specifically from the Lithuanian 'dolphinarium' that trades them).
* Like in Turkey, in Greece its not locals but foreigner businessmen. A so called 'French family' bought some acres in Athens and turned it into a zoo. They cultivate a nice profile sponsoring animal shelters in Greece and ppl think they are better than most Greeks on how they behave to animals. Some of us doubt that (we got a team also in Facebook, you find info in my blog up right corner) cause ecently they added a pool and four dolphins bought from a Lithuanian delphinarium of which one is not performing as you can see on videos in youtube cause probably it got depressed or just doesnt want to play stupid tricks. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dHKIrN5Frm8
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Thanks for the background info Annazw
very interesting.
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Fethiye Times article
http://www.fethiyetimes.com/news/44-news/6228-protest-against-a-dolphin-therapy-attraction-reaches-a-global-audience-.html
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Taken from Face Book
Date of the Protest: Friday, 2nd of July, 2010 Time: 17:00 - 19:00 Turkish Hours Meeting Point: The roundabout by the Robin Hood Restaurant in Hisarönü at 17:00. The protest march commences at 17:15. Please ensure you are there before the march commences. Rules of the Protest: 1. Everyone who attends the protest should wear all white. You can also buy a "save the dolphins" t-shirts.2. Please ensure you walk in an orderly fashion. 3. The protest march will take place in "dead silence". We ask that everyone remains in complete silence until all members of the protest arrive at the Dolphin pool site. We feel a silent march will send a powerful message to the perpetrators of this cruel act. The silence reflects the bleak existence of the dolphins whose lives will be short lived in captivity. 4. When we get to the dolphin park site, we plan for all protestors to form a human chain around the site by holding hands. Arial photos will be taken. 5. Following this, statements will be given to the press. 6. There will be box to write your thoughts on the current situation and another box to write your thoughts on what you would like to see happen to the dolphins and the dolphin pool site. 7. The protest will end at 19:00 PEACEFULLY. 8. There will be gendarme and police present to ensure the safety of the protestors and for reasons such as crowd control. However I would like to be notified straight away if anything happens. To notify me you can contact the nearest marshal who wears a red ribbon on their upper arms. Any disturbances will not be tolerated and will possibly incur severe personal repercussions. The rules and guidelines above have been written for your benefit, please ensure you follow them. Finally, I hope that this peaceful protest will result in the dolphin's being moved from the Dolphin pool site. A suitable solution must be sought in a timely fashion. I hope this protest will send a message to others who are considering this cruel act, to think twice. The more people that join the protest, the more pressure on local and national officials to fix the problem. I look forward to seeing you at the peaceful protest. Yours Sincerely, Av. Sule Beder Attorney-at-Law BEDER LAW OFFICE
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Helen Worth's interview was very powerful.
Only annoying thing was that she said" Born Free are spearheading the campaign"
Oh well any publicity is better than none.
Fi
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it was excellent Fi.
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I just heard it. It's a pity she has not been filled in about all the hard work people have done to bring this issue to the notice of Born Free, who only seem to have come in and are already running the show.. Still if it gets the dolphins free I suppose it's all to the good.
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Helen knows how hard we worked to get this far, she sat with us for about 4 hours listening to everthing that had gone on and the Born Free
group were giving us advice on the way ahead from here, it is best we listen to the professional advice and see it through to the end, hopefully the dolphins being re-habilitated and eventually set free.
Keep up the great work everyone we need to push hard to the final mile.
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We all know the immense amount of work you guys have done to get it this far, whatever Helen says or does now should be taken as an absolute positive to get those beautiful creatures released as soon as possible.
I missed the interview, is there anywhere I could go on to hear it??
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The interview with Helen Worth was reported on the Scottish TV website. It is amazing how much publicity this one celebrity is bring to the campaign.
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you could try this link june...
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p008h78j
click on the "past 6 days" link.....it may bring up the interview from wednesday...worth a try perhaps.
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quote:
Originally posted by tinkerman
Helen knows how hard we worked to get this far, she sat with us for about 4 hours listening to everthing that had gone on and the Born Free
group were giving us advice on the way ahead from here, it is best we listen to the professional advice and see it through to the end, hopefully the dolphins being re-habilitated and eventually set free.
Keep up the great work everyone we need to push hard to the final mile.
That's fine and I agree, however, if all the hard spadework had not been put in since March by you guys Born Free would not have got involved. I think a mention about the people who have worked so hard to get Born Free interested would not have gone amiss.
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Please let us all remember we wanted these organisations to become involved and Born Free have potentially come up with the goods. They have access to celebs and media contacts we struggled for months to get to listen and take notice of us.
Born Free have said they want to work with us but they too of course have an agenda.
We all share one aim and that is to see the Dolphins Tom and Misha out of Hisarönü and it may surprise you all to know that so do the people at the Dolphin Park.
We are working to achieve this together and all stake holdes will need to be involved. This may seem a little unsavoury to some of you but it is vital that we have everyone on board.
Lets remember we all want what is in the best interests of Misha and Tom.
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Well said, this isn't about who did what or when. Not one of us could have got the situation the exposure Helen Worth has so let Born Free say what they like. By the same token, Helen Worth couldn't have achieved what some of the people on here, facebook and locally have.
It's what everyone pulling together achieves, not trying to allocate blame or credit.
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Originally posted by Haggis2010
The interview with Helen Worth was reported on the Scottish TV website. It is amazing how much publicity this one celebrity is bring to the campaign.
Here's the link..
http://entertainment.stv.tv/tv/184706-coronation-streets-helen-worth-campaigns-to-save-dolphins/
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Please do not contact Nichola to order your Dolphin Vest - see the topic posted on the Protest page - but if you are the Forum you will know this already.
http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=132668680091740#!/topic.php?uid=132668680091740&topic=167
Thank you in advance ;)
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you don't have to order at all now, we will be selling them from various outposts around Fethiye.
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Oh well it would be me sods law:D received this today :o wonder if anyone else has had one ;) am i upset ..No will i not sleep tonight..... No...... do I think this man is mega bored..... oh yes .......:D Ive copied pasted his mail and my reply:D
Alun Peters 29 June at 17:03 Report NOT your business to many people go to live in a new country and expect to change things,YOU are a guest in this country if you do not like what goes on here GO. Mary Theresa 29 June
Actually I am not a guest In Turkey I am Turkish and hold a full Turkish Passport and have done for many years and sadly for you it is my Country the guest in MY COUNTRY IS YOU!!!!!!
So before you send people nasty mails get your facts Right First!!
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Alun Peters? Who is Alun Peters MT?
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What was his email address?
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no bloomin idea! ....apparently he was on fb group but linda spike deleted him, he might join up on here :D but he has met his match in me lol!! ;)
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He just doesn't know it yet :D
To keep this on topic, will you email it to me?
Sorry dolphin lovers :)
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Of course I will...... Big Bruv!! ;)
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How sad are these people to send messages like this!! Unfortunately as you all know it would not be a forum or a page if people couldn't join! When these people 'POP' up and do these things they IMMEDIATELY delete themselves! This is not the first time and it certainly won't be the last, they do also not use their REAL names!
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Oh I think this dim gob****e used his real name:
http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1150825493#!/photo.php?pid=1415780id=1150825493
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Sorry Keith that link just took me to my page. He has just deleted himself from the dolphin page then as I have re-checked all members. Just found him on the main FB, so come on everybody lets make OUR feelings known to HIM! What a T****r!!
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Well he didn't hide his identity - if he thinks that people who don't like the dolphins being kept in the concrete tank in Hisaronu should leave Turkey, let him have that ignorant view. We can carry on without idiots like him.
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You don't normally star out your swear words:D:D
What a complete pleb that guy is.....as I normally say...not worthy of a response...
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What a rude pathetic little man. He must have alot of time on his hands. Sadly myself and Linda have had to block a few people from FB. These people are sadoes and deserve to be ignored as the reason they do this is for a reaction so dont give him the satisfaction. Rant over now lol :D
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Originally posted by Scunner
Oh I think this dim gob****e used his real name:
No Scunner, his real name is 'Slimeball'
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Apologies, Gavos999 had logged in....and not out again...GGrrrrrrrrr...so the response above was mine not his....confusing or what!!:D
No Simpsons I think Gob****e...ooops did i say that.....its a far better description:P:D
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On Facebook it's 12,000 v 1. The man has no idea - if you don't like the suffering of the dolphins you should leave Turkey??? Irrelevant abusive little man, forget him. Meanwhile, back on the topic...
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Yes back on topic
quote:
Originally posted by Dolphin Angels
To be honest the real work is just starting now... help!
Ready for my mission:D
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Reading the recent posts on the forum it is just fantastic that people HAVE been following this worldwide (Greece/Cyprus) even though they have just started contributing to the forum. WE can make a difference and say 'no'. We can say this is not acceptable and we don't want it. I, personally, am dead chuffed that we have the possibility to change things worldwide. Good on you, all! At it is down to the DA's who started this. :)
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MaryTheresa, proud of you! Very polite :D
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Dolphin Angels are Angels indeed and we have said that so many times and truly mean it, but also remember the Animal Aid guys and also Nichola who have played such a huge part in all of this, we think you are amazing...but also what an absolutely fantastic forum this is, the people are just beyond belief, we have always said its just like one big family and truly it is.........how proud I am to be a part of this.
Well done all of us.....so far that is....I know we will win....willpower we have loads and loads of it....:D
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Recieved another email from Juergen Ortmüller today.
Hi Heather,
please look at our webside: http://www.wdsf.eu/reiseveranstalter . All German travel agencies like TUI and so on stopped their offer of dolphin parks in Turkey as the result of our protests. Oeger Tours started again with his offer. But we are in connection with them and their leaders are just in Turkey to proof the dolphin amuzement shows. We will publish a boycott against them after the 30th of June if they don't stop it. So we work with success.
That's also the way: If dolphin parks have no people who pay for entree they can't hold up theirs shows. In meantime only Russian and Turkey travel agencies offer the dolphin parks at the Turkish Riviera. We have some observer there. If we could go the same way in Hisaronu we will win and the dolphins comes free.
Best,
Juergen
I have replied telling him what the Angels have done.
Also the part that CBF have played in this to stop tour operators selling tickets.
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Just to let you know, Zoomarine (dolphinarium) is advertising on this forum.
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We have all done a lot of work to save Misha & Tom!
For me personaly, the turning point where we actually made progress and got the BIG societies and newspapers involved was the publication of the pictures which were taken by holidaymakers Sarah Reilly and her partner Keith Pope! These were the pictures which they very kindly posted on the Facebook page which showed the TRUE horror of the way they were transported! They showed that there were no strapping on the inside of the lorry (The poor things must have rolled around continuously during their journey)
exactly how they were 'DUMPED' in the pool, and whose lorry transported them!
I would like to give a bit THANK YOU TO SARAH & KEITH for their pictures!!
I hope everybody joins me in this!!
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Big thanks to DA for all the work that they are doing to free Tom and Misha from this Hell Hole. Also would like to thanks Alf Chappell and all his staff of the LykiaWorld dive center and also Kerrie and Yener of Elite diving in Fethiye for closing shop and joing the protest march. Also thanks to Gustav from FlySouth who will be in the air taking photo's from his microlight.
Lin
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Amazing news everyone, waiting for the protest to go well :-) Keep up you rock!
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The latest from the Hurriyet...
http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/n.php?n=yunus-parkina-tepki-buyuyor-2010-06-22
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Oeger tours sponsor the Istanbul marathon, maybe this is another avenue to broach?
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Ölüdeniz Mayor Keramettin Yilmaz from the Republican People's Party, or CHP, said the Dolphinarium does not have an operating license. "The person who has built the dolphinarium leased the lot for three years form the municipality declaring that they would construct a pool suitable for staging shows. Since they have not started operating, they do not have an operating license, nor have they applied for one."
They have claimed they have built it as a therapy pool and at other times as a facility for tourists to swim with dolphins. Surely the above shows made a false claim to the municipality, as they have never suggested they intend to stage shows as far as I remember?
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How on earth are they intending to stage shows in that puddle - it's hardly Sea World is it. I must say I was surprised how small it actually is - how can they be so bloody cruel.
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What Keramettin says he was told and is prepared to say publicly and what was really said when he and his council did the deal....will they ever match. Covering his back me thinks it's called.: :) ;) 8)
The Teflon Baskan rides yet again...
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Protest In Fethiye Times
http://www.fethiyetimes.com/news/44-news/6230-dolphin-park-protest-friday-2nd-july-2010.html
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By the way the contract is for ten not 3 years... more pork pies!
How about the bit where the Dolphins will just have to get used to their squalid conditions
"dolphins also need to adapt to live in worse conditions. These animals should also learn to live with what they have".
- charming I'm sure
http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/n.php?n=yunus-parkina-tepki-buyuyor-2010-06-22
There is a misquote from our side - the pool should be be 1200 cubic metres for two Dolphins not one.
The actual pool swim area is 912 cubic metres for two Dolphins so still falls short by several hundred cubic metres!
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Too true, Firo, surprised he hasn't fallen over his own shadow yet.
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Would just like to say, and I think possibly a LOT of other people feel the same, that I'm incredibly proud of all of us. To think that this started as a post from Scunner and has blossomed into such an enormous achievement. Shows what can be done when people get together and unite. Little acorns and all that
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Couldn't agree more Peecee.I just wish I was home in Fethiye, but stuck in the U.K. Hope all goes well on Friday.
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Originally posted by krieny
Just to let you know, Zoomarine (dolphinarium) is advertising on this forum.
Just to reconfirm - just because you can see the adverts it doesn't mean everyone looking at the same page as you is seeing the same adverts. I'm blocking all dolphinarium adverts but I do need members to email me via my profile with the website address so I can add it to the blocked list.
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When I see it next, I will let you know! Thanks for that Scunner :-)
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Mary Theresa Between You and Alun Peters 30 June at 23:16 so why you live in london social security ?????..................... Here we go agian!! have reported him to face book for sending threatening mails, he now obviously thinks im a Turkish refugee living on uk benefits lol! i would just like to add his command of the English Language is pretty crap too."so why you live in london" perfect broken English well done alun!
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I would just like to wish everyone attending the protest luck and keep safe, I wish I was there with you, but unfortunately Im not out until September. Will be thinking of you all. Well done to everyone involved, you all should be very proud of yourselves xxx
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Same here....stuck in UK - couldn't get more time off work otherwise I'd be there with my white bottom (!). We have everything crossed for a quick and successful solution to this nightmare. Huge love and respect to you all - have a safe and peaceful march.
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Can't attend as I am working but WELL DONE everyone who has got involved. I know that many holiday makers have also heard about this and will join the march tomorrow. Let's hope that a good result will come out of it all.
Have a good and successful march everyone
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I so wish I could be there tomorrow but sadly it was not to be! but i will be thinking of you and just wanted to say good luck I hope we make a difference for Misha and Tom :D
"Our task must be to free ourselves by widening our circle of compassion to embrace all living creatures and the whole of nature and its beauty".
Albert Einstein
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Will be thinking of you all...Take care
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Good luck tomorrow, hope everything goes well and please all take care xx
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Apologies for replicating this post but it is important for everyone to have this information.
We are confident that no member of this Foum would cause trouble at the Protest March but after the football and with a couple of beers inside them some bright spark on holiday may be looking for a bit of action....
If you are attending the protest march Friday 2nd July please put this number in your phone.
At the first sign of trouble phone this number - do not attempt to intervene yourself.
0538 345 16 05
This number is our Lawyers number and she must be told if there is any incident immediately.
There will be Marshalls tomorrow and they will be wearing orange and or possibly red t-shirts and the Jandarma are there to keep the peace.
It may be of interest to you to know that the Dolphbin Park people are also anxious for there to be no trouble.
We have opened communications with them on the proposed rehabilitation project and they are keen to continue talking - we hope that the Protest March will be peaceful and that our negotiations with them can continue.
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I've been reading about some peaceful protests (entirely unrelated to this one) and it is important to be aware that is possible that if "unsympathetic" parties want to shift the way the event might be reported, one way is to have people infiltrate the peaceful protest and provoke in underhand ways. This can manifest itself in any number of ways - someone continually catching the back of your heal, even a sudden outcry from someone - anything from claiming they have just been punched by [the nearest peaceful protester] or claiming their wallet has been taken and they know who did it [erm, the nearest peaceful protester]. Cue huge row.
Just be aware guys, I'm pretty sure none of these dirty tricks will be employed but don't be taken in. My advice still is that peaceful video cameras are taken to film the peaceful protest and to possibly catch any incidents like those mentioned.
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Just a quick note in advance of the protest walk.
Please remember that one of the issues on which we have campaigned against the dolphinarium is that it has been built amongst the noise of Hisaronu, which is in clear breach of the EEAM standards.
When passing the dolphinarium, remember there are two highly sensitive creatures concealed behind the tarpaulin, out of sight but not unaware of the activities outside of their prison!
They have already been subjected to too many stressful occurances
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I whole heartedly back and agree with what scunner says. Be careful guys
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Yep like wise im Scunner and kismet bar on this one, be careful and be aware of what is going on around you this protest will upset alot of people so stafe safe :)
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we will be in Cubana bar at 4pm with video equipment and camera.
See you there
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Agree with you Dolphin Angels, think of Misha and Tom and Silence should be Golden...
So sorry we cannot be there with you but will be thinking of you later and know it will all go well, please take care all you and hopefully this will have a very positive response for Misha and Tom....xxxxx
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Good Luck everyone and Be Carefull....I really hope this goes to the peaceful plan but keep your wits about you and stay safe xx
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Just got back from the march, turnout was amazing and when I left everyone had acted with great dignity!!
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Superb, just what we were hoping to read :D
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That's fabulous, so glad it went well. Well done to everybody that attended
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Wooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo way to go :D 8)
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It was a fantastic turn out and people walked in silence as requested. We heard that 545 turned up but no doubt one of the organisers will verify that.
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So glad that everything went well and it went off with the dignity which Misha & Tom deserve!!
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Fantastic it must have been very moving
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It was very moving Heather. I'm not ashamed to admit I shed some quiet tears.
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So pleased to hear of the numbers of marchers and that all went well.
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We surrounded the puddle with ease !!!!
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The big fears were that it would be blighted by a couple of idiots or that nobody would turn up and make a mockery of the claims that there was widespread outrage about this subject.
So very well done for addressing both - I can't wait for some photies :D
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Huge apologies that I didn,t make it, health let me down but I was definately with you all in spirit.
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Yes i want pics too :D
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phewww, been thinking about you all this afternoon. Well done everybody x
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Originally posted by KasDolphin
Huge apologies that I didn,t make it, health let me down but I was definately with you all in spirit.
Aww Soo that is a shame as I know how much you would have wanted to be there.
But don't forget what you have done already.
Evidence that you gave the lawyer for one.
Look after yourself :)
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Absolutely fantastic turnout, proud to be part of it let us hope it helps Misha and Tom, very well organised, road blocked off to traffic, no music from the bars, very quiet protest well done everyone.
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I just loved reading how well everything went today and I am very proud and so wish I could have been there to see it......It does bring a tear to your eye Jan....I can totally understand that you good people would be moved....I am....and its thinking of the consequences that will help to release Misha and Tom.
Fantastic turnout.......xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
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What a turnout over 500 people attended this protest,it was carried out very quietly and with great dignity,I was proud to be part of such a tremendous event,and an occasion that is very rarely seen in Turkey.Well done to all the organisers and marshalls.and a very big well done to Dolphin Angels,hopefully this will be a turning point for Misha and Tom,and eventually they will be able to escape the sink and go back to their natural home where they belong.....
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Lynda Yilmaz Just watched Fethiye Haber. 1,500 people reported as attending. Lots of Turks interviewed. TEMA rep had a bit of an arguement with a spokesman from the Dolphinarium and asked 'why did you bring these dolphins from Kas' (no reply)
Born Free was mentioned many times by all the Turks interviewed my Turkish wasn't enough to...
Just picked this up off Facebook.... Excellent Press well done all
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Originally posted by sooty
Absolutely fantastic turnout, proud to be part of it let us hope it helps Misha and Tom, very well organised, road blocked off to traffic, no music from the bars, very quiet protest well done everyone.
What a sign of respect that the bars turned their music off!! I keep saying on FB that the ordinary local people do not want this either! So glad it went off so well!
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Well done to all involved. I hope it makes a huge difference for Misha and Tom.
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One bar that didn't turn their music off was Nadia's Bar. She didn't get a single customer from the march which was very good to see and the sight of her sculking behind a plant with huge dark sunglasses on just about sums up her real indifference to the plight of these dolphins and shows her up for the greedy opportunist she really is. Very well done to everyone who attended i think the turkish jandarma and the police were impressed with the diginity in which this protest was carried out.
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Great news, I'm so glad it ran smoothly. Well done everyone, lets' hope it's gone some way towards Misha and Tom being free very soon
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I was very proud to be part of this today-superb turnout, well-organised, very dignified-most of the bars did turn their music off & some staff came & stood outside in silence too. A real united effort & powerful impact-lets hope it has helped to free Misha & Tom very soon.
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Wow it was just fantastic to see all those people pulling together for such a good cause.
I felt so proud to have been able to take part in such a great event.
I really pray that Misha and Tom get a better quality of life god only knows they deserve it.
A big thank you to all the organizer's for putting this together.
Terrie and Simon
Animal Aid
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So the bars turned their music off and staff came outside to stand in silence, but one particular bar carried on with it's music playing?
You couldn't write it :-\
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It was a very moving and dignified demonstration. I too was very proud to be there and pray that everyones efforts make a difference. Well done to todays organisers and everyone campaigning for Misha and Tom.
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That is amazing. I thought that because the meeting point was down at the small roundabout the protest march had been told they were going to have to march via the back streets to the puddle. I look forward to seeing the photos of 545 people walking up the main street of Hisaronu. Even someone as arrogant as Mr Kuznetsov or as ignorant as Nadia cannot fail to see that this is something that people feel strongly about.
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Some pictures on facebook it looks brilliant
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Lump in the throat here.
Not enough words to describe my admiration for all involved.
I'm so very glad that it went so well and most importantly that everyone is safe.
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A friend of mine lives on the West Coast of Ireland, he sent me this link today and thought it might add a little inspiration here. How they should be living......
http://www.facebook.com/video/video.php?v=1301349938620
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Was a great dignified protest so well done to everyone who attended. We reckoned there where more like 800 people there but what ever the numbers it was a real eyeopener for the doubters who said it was only 3 ladies who were bored ;):D
Well done everyone.
Fi
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Yeah but in fairness the 3 bored ladies were there too
Any photos!!!!!
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So glad i was there today to give my support ,well done to all of you :)
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Makes it very real
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....and when the organisers started to read out their press statement the music was turned up! Everyone know which bar to avoid in future YEARS not just this one.
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Well done everyone, just spoken to my friends who arrived in Hisaronu this afternoon. They missed the main protest but said there was a significant amount of people milling around. Lets see what happens next!
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£ more on previous page. Stolen from facebook
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Photos, thanks to Firo for supplying:
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Scunner..there are three pictures I stole from facebook on previous page looking odd sitting in a row.
Can you fix it and put them with the others
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I have already :)
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Thats me sitting under the banner at the bar! Ive also nicked this photo from Facebook, was a good afternoon Well done to all the organizers and those that attended
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Originally posted by Eric
....and when the organisers started to read out their press statement the music was turned up! Everyone know which bar to avoid in future YEARS not just this one.
Like there is ANY point in doing that! Music can't drown out the truly awful business decision they made to nail their colours to the dolphinarium mast. Just alienating themselves further from popular opinion. Who would have thought that could be possible...
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Originally posted by Julesp
Thats me sitting under the banner at the bar!
What bar is it with the banner? We should also mention the bars who stood shoulder to shoulder with the protesters today. Good on them!
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That was The Gap Bar well done to the owner izzy.............
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Well done Everyone ..What a Successful day:D:D
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Originally posted by Scunner
I have already :)
thank you
Turkish newspapers:
http://www.hurriyet.com.tr/gundem/15210907.asp
http://www.zaman.com.tr/haber.do?haberno=1002157&title=yunus-parkini-istemeyen-ingilizler-bu-sefer-de-yuruyus-eylemi-yapti
http://www.gercekgundem.com/?p=292715
http://www.medya365.com/haber-148633-bin-ingiliz-turist-yunuslar-icin-yurudu.html
Translated the last one with google
He walked a thousand British tourists for Dolphins
July 2, 2010 Friday 20:44 about a thousand British tourists in the resort of Fethiye, Ölüdeniz newly rallied to react to the dolphin park . 17:00 hrs today evening in the town of Fethiye Oludeniz Hisaronu collected thousands of British tourists in the region live in the neighborhood , some British, established and new park scheduled to open in order to respond to their marching
about a thousand British tourists in the resort of Fethiye, Ölüdeniz newly rallied to react to the dolphin park . 17:00 hrs today evening in the town of Fethiye Oludeniz Hisaronu collected thousands of British tourists in the region live in the neighborhood , some British, established and new park scheduled to open in order to respond to their marching .
Hisaronu Bars thousand people gathered in the streets of the UK group , here in your hands " Dolphin Freedom ", " They are in the ocean , " written in foreign exchange and Dolphins rallied model . Walking into the crowd before the British , various slogans written on the shirt is sold with the figures of five pounds seen from the start . For whom the unknown t-shirts were sold and revenue from the many areas where Britain the wearing T-shirts in their march carried Hisaronu .
held a silent march around the bars and cafes in the tourist district of the gendarmerie while supporting extensive security measures were taken . With such a large crowd of foreigners in Turkey, his first action might have on the march reached the dolphin park where a crowd had surrounded the park holding hands . Freedom to protest on behalf of the group explanation of the Organizing Committee Chairman Yunus Sule Beder , "Yunus said they were happy in this tiny pool for those who do not believe . If
us 10 minutes, the dolphins swimming waived if dozens of dolphins in the sea is free to start living , "he said . Walk participant and the name of the open should be used specifically requested that the British are dolphin pool kept at to prevent this march joined they told me . dolphin parks around the gathered crowd , then there silently in the left . The actions related to some journalists who want to take video and photos , "You do not get the image I rejoice , "he learned that regulations
Sule Beder chairman of the crowd dispersed after the journalists were discussed . the movement of journalists ask me why they Sule Beder , come back hard on journalists took place when the short-term verbal taunts
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Originally posted by Scunner
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Originally posted by Julesp
Thats me sitting under the banner at the bar!
What bar is it with the banner? We should also mention the bars who stood shoulder to shoulder with the protesters today. Good on them!
Hear Hear !!!!!
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yes we will have to go round them all and thank them.. it would be impolite not to have a drink ;)
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Originally posted by Highlander
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Originally posted by Scunner
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Originally posted by Julesp
Thats me sitting under the banner at the bar!
What bar is it with the banner? We should also mention the bars who stood shoulder to shoulder with the protesters today. Good on them!
Hear Hear !!!!!
That is Izzy's Garden Bar on the roundabout and I am so proud of Izzy for standing up to be counted.
Not always seen eye to eye but well done Iz - love to buy you a beer!!!!
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Originally posted by Scunner
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Originally posted by Julesp
Thats me sitting under the banner at the bar!
What bar is it with the banner? We should also mention the bars who stood shoulder to shoulder with the protesters today. Good on them!
Yes it was GAP bar - I ddn't see the banner until after the march left - thank you Izzy and crew. Many bars supported - Cubana bar and Alfresco to name a couple - all the bars turned their music off - a big sign of respect in Turkey - except one bar!!!!!!!!!!!
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That one was the Gap opposite where the protest started I went there for a drink while waiting because he had that big banner up
Also visited Goldfingers beauty salon for my T shirt They had signs supporting the protest outside their place
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Originally posted by Highlander
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Originally posted by Scunner
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Originally posted by Julesp
Thats me sitting under the banner at the bar!
What bar is it with the banner? We should also mention the bars who stood shoulder to shoulder with the protesters today. Good on them!
Hear Hear !!!!!
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It's GAP Bar & it's Izzy's Garden Bar
See, if you don't ask you never know :D
Well done to all the bars who respectfully turned their music down (rather than up!!) and to those who showed banners against the 'facility'.
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Our friend, Martin, took loads of photos which I hope he can post on here soon. Nichola (Mosaic Bahce), in particular, was out there busily capturing moments so I would guess she will post some good photos.
Phil and I have spent some time talking about our impressions of the day and how the local businesses may have interpreted the protest. We came to the conclusion that seeing so many people walking in silence protest equating to empty bars, when the footie was being shown, ought to make them realise that the "dolphinarium" is not promoting tourism.
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From facebook Land of Lights
http://www.landoflights.net/local-news/hundreds-protest-peacefully-in-silent-march-against-hisaronu-swim-with-the-dolphins-facility-4506.html
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How many other members are, like me, struggling to find the right words to adequately describe the admiration we feel for all involved with this.
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We're all involved with this John - you included.
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WE WERE THERE!!!!!AND PROUD TO BE!! AND I AM SHOUTING .BUT I DONT CARE .sorry i think today's dignified protest will make people sit up and take notice , and if they dont we will do it all again God bless you all !!![:X]
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AMAZING everyone!! What a turnout! Can't say how great I think you all are. What a day for Tom and Misha, what a day for dolphins in captivity!! May their suffering end soon. BORN FREE, LIVE FREE!!
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Misha & Tom just need to hang on! If they can be as strong as the march today they will lead a good and happy life!
They just 'NEED TO HANG ON LONG ENOUGH'!
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What a brilliant day! The protest went SO well and got a lot of attention. I hope those dolphins got the vibes surrounding them when we linked hands round the site. It was very upsetting to see how small that hole in the ground really is! I hope it does some good. I hope their lives improve, and soon.
PS, it was great to meet Gorgeousbird :D
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We were proud to take part and lovely to see lots of people from Üzümlü there!
It was shocking to actually see the small pool that Micha & Tom are in - couldn't bring ourselves to go & look before, having seen the photos!
Well done to everyone who attended and for also representing those that wanted to be there, but couldn't.
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I am unashamedly crying as I,m reading all the posts. The overwhelming feeling of resolve and dignity can be seen in the photos. What a sight it must have been for the locals of Hisaronu to witness so many people united in this cause. Tom and Micha would have undoubtedly felt the positive energy flowing their way.
Thanks to all the business that showed their support.
Everyone did Tom and Micha proud.
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Land of Lights On Line - Read it in the paper from Monday
http://www.landoflights.net/local-news/hundreds-protest-peacefully-in-silent-march-against-hisaronu-swim-with-the-dolphins-facility-4506.html
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What an amazing speech by the lawyer.
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Videos are now on Facebook - still working on the photos
http://www.facebook.com/?sk=messages&ref=mb#!/group.php?gid=358308272654&ref=ts
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I know this was a great protest, but there was a big sign up saying 'We are open', has anyone been montoring whether they have had any customers?
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Sadly yes. We witnessed a family of four in the pool with Tom and Micha.
We have photos of the Russian operating and have made statements to the relevant authorities through Þule.
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Hopefully, after the protest march yesterday, the tourists will think twice before going to 'swim'
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One dolphin angel had to hang up her wings for the day, inspite of the encouragement from colleagues that nothing would happen to her, a promise had been given to the jandarma not to return, and so with much regret she missed one of the most moving higlights of the campaign.
You all acted with such dignity,in such numbers,for a legally held march, which at the start of the campaign we would not have dreamed possible.
Because of the ever growing vocal support,concern and condemnation from you all around the world, incacerating wonderful, intelligent mammals for profit and so called entertainment WILL CEASE!!
Not only will our local authorities now be having meetings to discuss this issue, but rest assured, after this show of feeling, other authorities who give sanctuary to these hell holes, will be also taking notice.
Misha and Toms campaign will not stop with Hisaronu.
Others in Turkey will follow our lead, and realise that they too can protest about the dolphinarium prisons in their back yards.
Our campaign must continue it does not end with a protest march.
There are two dolphins still held in a tiny concrete tank!
There are ongoing activities and negotiations taking place to secure the release of Misha and Tom and all legitimate fundraising and donations are being used to support these activity.
Please check the Animal Aid section of the forum as every single lira will help towards the release and rehabilitation and or relocation of Misha and Tom in the sea where they belong.
I can only try to express my admiration for such amazing supporters,
without you all, nothing is possible.
We will do our utmost to realise the aim of rehabilitation and release, and then with a ripple in the pond effect, and your continued support, this may include a far greater number of dolphins in Turkey than Misha and Tom!!
Now wouldnt that be something!
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This also on facebook Land of Lights
http://www.landoflights.net/local-news
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turkeytourism@redmintcomms.co.uk
This company are involved with promoting Turkey.
I wrote to them a few days ago to tell them we love Turkey but do not need Dolphinariums.
I called for a Ban on Dolphinariums and told them they would be better with rehab unit and an educational facility to free all captive dolphins.
Today I sent the protest video to them to undeline what I had said previously.
I informed them that Croatia has banned Dolhinariums.
Also told them I would LIKE to visit Croatia but I LOVE to visit Turkey
Start sending your emails
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CNN Turk is today repeatedly showing the protest march on their news programmes with excellent shots of large crowds and featuring many of those amongst us...
http://video.cnnturk.com/2010/haber/7/3/yunuslara-ozgurluk-icin-yuruduler
http://video.cnnturk.com/2010/haber/6/21/hisaronunun-travma-geciren-yunuslari
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Misha & Tom must be getting nearer to the gate now!!!
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Is it just me or are the dolphins trying to get away from the guy in the pool.
To me it looks as if he tried to catch a fin and the dolphin dived downwards. They were also swimming away from him.
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I thought you might all enjoy this :)
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/highlands_and_islands/10488165.stm
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Beautiful John. I have put it on facebook site hope you don't mind.
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FYI
article from the Mugla news agency on 02 07 2010
http://www.haberajans.com/habereGit.php?haberUrl=http://www.haberler.com/yunuslar-rahat-ingilizler-rahatsiz-2120354-haberi/
Basically this news item endeavours to refute much of the Sun's article and has a short video. The young lad from the dolphinarium states that contrary to what was said they have not yet obtained a licence to operate and they have just been training and getting the dolphins used to their new quarters. Keramettin states that according to the vets authorised by the Kaymakam (area governor) the dolphins are happy and healthy, although he has not yet received a written report to this effect.
Whilst the Sun article states they are in ‘a hotel swimming pool' ‘are being tortured' and ‘are depressed' this article states that this is not in fact the case. They have become used to their new environment and appear settled. The article (allegedly) stated they were for the amusement of tourists, but in fact they are to be used for therapeutic purposes. (yes I know, but don't attack the quoter!). The Russian owner goes on to suggest that the English are infuriated by/jealous of the closeness of the Russians to the Turks and that is why they make this exagerated type of news! (Well now we have heard it all!) ‘The hotel swimming pool' is in fact 11 x 22 metres and 4.5 metres deep, a depth well above world standards. (so this makes it alright then!?)
The article suggest that the dolphins suffered during transport and will suffer from surrounding noise levels, A Kuznetsov states this is simply not true! He goes on to suggest that 2 or 3 English people see this park area in Hisaronu as their village and want to control any other business done there. (hang on to the BP there is more) ‘and when you investigate this claim that over 7,000 have joined the protest, you can see it has been sourced by only 3 pc's' meaning only really about 3 folk are upset (well he did say this before the walk!). Kuznetov goes on to say ‘I have made a serious investment in tourism, this protest about the dolphins welfare is not really about them, it is about destroying my tourism business, I love my dolphins they are part of my family how could I hurt them?' then the article goes on about the therapy not entertainment argument, about waiting for licence to operate and about how it only took 2 days for the dolphins to settle down.
Keramettin states that when he gets clearance from the agriculture and environment department the council will issue a licence for the dolphinarium to trade - unfortunately he does refer to them as fish! And he goes on to say he is satisfied that these ‘fish' are healthy and happy.
article from the Hurriyet newspaper today
http://hurarsiv.hurriyet.com.tr/goster/ShowNew.aspx?id=15210907
This article reports a ‘silent protest' to free the 2 male dolphins that had been brought to a park in Hisaronu and stated the nearly 1,000, people, mainly foreigners joined the protest asking for freedom for the dolphins. It recorded the ‘born free, live free' slogan on the t shirts and said that local businesses' supported the protest with banners and applause.
They reported a short row between Savaş Taşdemir a worker at the D park and Oktay Tirli from Tema, when S T reportedly said they were prepared to take the dolphins back to the sea if anything happened to them (not clear what was really meant). The article went on to report the address given by ªule Beder when she pleaded that folk did not believe the claim that any dolphins could possibly be happy in a concrete cage and more words to that effect. Then they reported the speech by Nigel Smith about dolphin's need to live in their natural environment and about the strength of feeling against this dolphinarium. The article concludes that the gendarmerie had no problems with this largely silent and peaceful protest and that after the press had been notified it dispersed without problem
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Thank you Highlander. What a beautiful sight.Truely awesome.
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Originally posted by Highlander
I thought you might all enjoy this :)
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/highlands_and_islands/10488165.stm
Oh heck...you beat me to it Highlander. Anyway, what a fantastic sight.
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thanks for your post Sue T. Interesting. Think many Turks watching CNN then reading that will know who to believe ;).
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Hello all!
Because i've read this forum daily anyway, i guessed it was right time to join.
This is amazing thing to see when long thread finally materialized in real-world actions! I wish you good luck, and "dive in" for reading this thread from very start!
PS: yes, i'm from Russia, and i have my personal hell here in form of "dolphinarium", located in swimming pool... :/
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Originally posted by Dolphin Angels
THIS STILL STANDS AS TRUE AND CORRECT
No licence has been given (yet) by either the Min of Ag or Min of Env. We have that news from the top bods in Ankara. They say they are not going to either - lets wait and see!
The DP people have been given permission by Olu Belediye to sell nuts crisps etc from their kiosk in the Public Park. That is all.
They have absolutely no right to sell swim with Dolphis; it is illegal.
The big sign saying they are open means jack!
There is no licence, no insurance, no water quality testing has been done AT ALL and the Dolphins have been in there several weeks now.
No Public Liability insurance no regard for Health & Safety and NO ACCOUNTABILITY.
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Did you know?..... http://ecohotelology.com/2010/06/29/world-day-for-captive-dolphins-july-4/
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/wales/mid_wales/10489731.stm
This how dolphins should be.
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Why would the British resent the Russians? It is good to read an opinion of a Russian person on the forum. This is not a forum just for British people,just the language is English. Hallo Andrew R!:D
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Reading the article on Land of Lights brought a well of tears from me. Well done everyone for standing up to be counted. You should all be very very proud!
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Have just sent pictures of us being intimidated to the Turkish tourist board. Hopefully they will see what a bad impression this concrete sink is having on tourists, thanks for the link.
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Returned yesterday after a month in Fethiye and was fortunate enough to have marched last Friday in Hisaranou. We had the great privilege to stand shoulder to shoulder with some fine people. I can honestly say it was one of the most powerful moments I have ever experienced and found the commitment of the organisers and fellow supporters truly inspirational, thank you everyone it was a great honour to share the evening with you all.
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/wales/mid_wales/10489731.stm
This how dolphins should be.
you are right and if there had not been so much trawling in the bay of Fethiye, maybe they would be a more common sight here, but alas it seems those days are gone!
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Somebody has taken it upon themselves to put posters on lamp posts in Hisaronu advertizing a public meeting.
In Turkey, this is ILLEGAL without permission which takes several weeks to arrange if you are a foreigner and requires the permission of the Jandarma.
Our advice is - Do Not Attend.
Emotions are naturally running high which is totally understandable but a process of negotiations has started and legal action will commenece in the very forseeable future.
It is important that nothing is done to undermine or detract from these processes.
Expect an update later in the week and in the meantime if people really want to do something they can talk to everyone they know and tell them the following.
The Dolphin Park only has a licence to sell snacks from its kiosk - nothing else.
Anyone who swims with the Dolphins
- is taking part in an illegal activity
- will not be covered by either their own insurance or public liability insurance in the event of an accident
- is putting themselves at risk by swimming in water that has not been tested not even once, and is probably rife with ecoli, listeria and salmonella never mind other undesirables
- will have no means of redress in the event they are hurt in any way because without the license there is no health and safety management and no accountability.
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The Dolphin Park only has a licence to sell snacks from its kiosk - nothing else.
I hope no one bothers to use the kiosk for snack and refreshments either.
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I have emailed Take A Break Hopefully they will do more to the cause as they featured a story for me a couple of years ago. I have emailed the Mayor also as I was one of a group of teaching staff invited to visit schools in and around fethiye and promoted Turkey as a developing country for tourism and sport from back home.
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Returned yesterday after a month in Fethiye and was fortunate enough to have marched last Friday in Hisaranou. We had the great privilege to stand shoulder to shoulder with some fine people. I can honestly say it was one of the most powerful moments I have ever experienced and found the commitment of the organisers and fellow supporters truly inspirational, thank you everyone it was a great honour to share the evening with you all.
I have just returned from a 4 week stay in Uzumlu and I too took part in the procession, one of the most moving moments of my life, and as we all linked hands around this disgraceful site it was a privilege to link hands with very good friend's of mine from Uzumlu on the one side and four young Turkish lads on the other, a very moving moment , well done everyone.
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I have already emailed the story to Take a break Lindylou. They wern't interested. Think they missed out on a great story.
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Originally posted by lindylou42
I have emailed Take A Break Hopefully they will do more to the cause as they featured a story for me a couple of years ago. I have emailed the Mayor also as I was one of a group of teaching staff invited to visit schools in and around fethiye and promoted Turkey as a developing country for tourism and sport from back home.
I emailed them at the start.
I thought if they could talk about turkish love rats they could find a russian angle but no luck. You might have better luck if they know you.
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We met a couple in Hisaronu and got speaking to them. They lived in Dundee, their daughter comes to Hisaronu and introduced them to the place. She is Louise Cowie, who is a presenter on S.T.V. We have the Grampian news on our T.V. but I see her at night when the programme spilts to Aberdeen and Dundee. So if anyone around the Dundee area knows her, might we worth getting in touch and seeing if she could pull a few strings?
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Are these posters in Hisaronu in English?
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Story on Facebook. Does anyone know this man? CAn you ask him to donate to rehab fund not to the Russian.
http://www.dha.com.tr/n.php?n=british-tourist-to-spend-35k-to-save-dolphins-2010-07-01
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Yes and there is copy of the 2nd Sun article on one side and on the other it gives info about meeting place, time and day.
It is not credited or signed.
It is nothing to do with anyone associated in any way to the Dolphin Angels...
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For £55 you can buy an illegal swim in an unlicensed pool with dolphins from Focus in Calis.
We know that you can buy an illegal swim on the gate for £50..
So Focus's 30 pieces of silver works out at about 12TL... incredible...
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Fethiye Times reporting from the sunny Isles of Scilly...
http://www.fethiyetimes.com/news/44-news/6235-corrie-star-visits-dolphin-site.html
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quote:
Originally posted by Dolphin Angels
For £55 you can buy an illegal swim in an unlicensed pool with dolphins from Focus in Calis.
We know that you can buy an illegal swim on the gate for £50..
So Focus's 30 pieces of silver works out at about 12TL... incredible...
HOW COULD ANYBODY WITH A CONSCIENCE RENT MISHA & TOM FOR 12TL NO MATTER FOR HOW LONG?
WOULD LOVE TO RENT ALL THOSE INVOLVED FOR 12TL I PERSONALLY WOULD MAKE THEM CLEAN UP THE DOLPHIN POOP!!
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When I was at protest I met an English family who had come to Turkey for a holiday for the first time , They said everynight they have to walk past pool to go out and back to the hotel. Everytime they walked past the pool someone is outside touting dolphin swim for 50 quid . And they saw people paying and swimming They were very upset to hear why we were protesting they didnt know the situation and they are giving it a wide berth. and also the bar whom I dont want to name in case of advertising they will never visit now
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The boycott of the 'BAR WITH NO NAME MUST AND WILL CONTINUE!! They have alienated the majority of people who live in Hisarnou and surrounding areas! The fact alone that they 'Turned the music UP for the protst march showed the world what ignorant, barbaric, horrible .....etc.... people they are!!
Tourists are informed exactly who they are and what they did if not as soon as they arrive not long afterwards! WHEN the 'hellhole' closes what are they going to be left with? F**k all as far as I am concerned! I will be more than pleased to see them 'GO TO THEIR MAKERS TO BE TOLD - ROT IN HELL FOR WHAT YOU HAVE DONE'!
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Great to see the article in the Fethiye Times but thought it was rather a shame to see the ad. 'swim with Dolphins in Vallarta' straight after it.
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Just emailed a.bilici@ciham.com.tr (media) pointing out that the report (no. 108200520) of 'chanting tourists' was incorrect ;)
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Big well done to you all who attended, the photos are amazing and I have been so very moved, had a little cry at my desk. Its such a shame im not out there til September as really wanted to attend. Well done to you all, you should be very very proud of yourselves. The photos are so moving xxx
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Another article from Fethiye Times...thanks guys
http://www.fethiyetimes.com/news/44-news/6234-silent-march-against-hisaroenue-dolphin-attraction-is-hailed-a-success.html
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An excellent turn out everyone. It really is inspirational what you have all done, keep going, this publicity is sure to work in getting this place closed down and getting the dolphins to a better habitat.
McGroogle
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Had a reply from tourist board saying that someone will contact me directly re my concerns. Maybe photos of Russians intimidating us has had the desired effect. Hope so.
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Originally posted by Rosy
Had a reply from tourist board saying that someone will contact me directly re my concerns. Maybe photos of Russians intimidating us has had the desired effect. Hope so.
Got one as well Rosy. Think I will miss the breath holding for a bit.
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it was a great event..".power to the people"....we have now moved on...now lets ALL join together to "free" Tom and Misha....the closing of the pool and the rehabilitation of the "Hisaronu Two" must be are next direction..the Dolphin Angels task is to close the pool and for the rehabilitation of Tom and Misha...lets join together/work together to reach OUR aim, yours and mine....FREEDOM TO TOM AND MISHA.
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I am doing my bit here in england contacting many friends whom are urkish Origin I have wrote to London Mayor Boris Johnson too. The more you keep the protest going the more productive itwill be. Freedom to the Dolphins!!
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Thanks Firo, that Article read well from the Fethiye Times, apart from the prat that 'had more important things to think about';...no wonder he did not want to be named!!!.....very inspiring seeing so many people, if that does not tell the powers that be something then nothing will.......but with everything we have going on I know we will win......
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about time FT came on board...... better late than never i suppose.
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Yes I agree Better late than never! but they have been having problems with the website too
Originally posted by brianthegardener
about time FT came on board...... better late than never i suppose.
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Thought you meant the Financial Times for a minute, BTG :D That would be a coup
Wondering if any other UK newspapers are going to bother picking it up?
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.... done reading first half of this thread.
Some things seems to be common between all countries - for example few officials will want to 'lose face', few businesses will want to interfere with incoming money currents (but those who was brave enough surely should be count up), guards are behaving like they were bulls in their previous life, and this is people who start battles and win them, not some top officials (even if government departments are really understaffed - this is only good excuse for ask people to report important things, IF such departments want to see real picture...)
It was not uncommon to send one letter here in Russia _seven times_ before official noted it and started to look at problem highlighted in it. Thanks for keeping this battle on. Because there is no language barrier between english-speaking people i think i have very little to add in pool of knowledge, in such long topic most things were already discussed/posted.
http://www.zoocheck.com/Reportpdfs/CCACFrohoff.pdf
(has some good points, for example: top and not-so-top officials can be tricked by using very common PR, from dolphinarium's owners side, because most officials know nothing about problems associated with captivity! So, thank you for all your hard work on translating and distributing factual info)
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It is true that you have to be determined and keep trying to contact officials to do the right thing. It is the same in any country.It is good to hear the opinion of someone from Russia.
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Hm. Just thinking out loud .....
BUT if someone (for example me) want to see better situation for Misha and Tom (dolphins), first thing is - understand their real state (mental and physical health) and then provide all those things Mr. Kuznetsov cheaply omitted! I'm on the right track? (myself can't pay even small part of needed costs, sorry, but hopefully i'll have some E on my visa after July, 18).
Another idea - i can write some letter in russian and leave (fax/email) it to, say, Dolphin Angels, and may be even arrange phone talk with Mr. Kuznetsov? Because ... this "dolphins pool" isn't ONLY possible way to do business in Turkey? Probably, with some local support businessmen can re-target itself at some more animal-friendly activity?
Warning: my ideas can be wrong, so be careful!
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AndrewR - it's fantastic that you support us in trying to free Tom and Misha.
I believe there are a number of Dolphinariums in Russia, perhaps you could start a campaign in that country to stop this cruelty? I'm sure we would support you from our end :)
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Why is Scunner so quiet? Where are you[?]
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Re: in Russia .....
Yes, as i've said we have "dolphinarium" even in my city (Saint-Petersburg, Russian Federation), few km away from me. Moreover, it was place where i first meet with some captive dolphins. It was in 2003 ... after this - i broke a lot of hearts (and friendship ties!) by aggressively talking about all this. Why aggressively? Because i saw negative side of the coin with my own eyes, at the same time official ideology from dolphinarium was "everything is damn good here". Difference betwen reality and specially-created illusion was too much for me, at the end.
It is sounds strange, but my "enemy" (branch of Utrish Dolphinarium , Ltd) actually was divided last year by some unwanted "criminals", all this resulted in at least three dead dolphins in Moscow, heavy mass-media war between owners, and move close to surface some very interesting and sometimes sensitive (if true) information ....
I'm trying to do my part of fight, but often it ends up like ....we come to dolphinarium, meet with guard, and go away with nearly useless phone number and nothing more ...So, you can call me "most useless activist"!
basically, all this "dolphins in captivity" stuff broke my life into two parts - before (<2002) and after (from 2003 up to today). You can track me from http://orcinus.ru/club/members.asp?55, in the beginning i was seen mostly on Russian-speaking sites, then moved into Big Internet. Look for ÀÃägåég, Andrew_R, AndrewR ....
But all this internet tail not saving dolphins i know from their fate ...I tried to meet with people in person, discuss The Problem in private, but probably i just bad communicator, in sense i really fast heat up on issue, so people prefer to stay away ... may be because i often ask too much from them.
I dislike big crowds, may be people sense this somehow, too. I know how bad situation is for captive dolphins, but for now i hardly able to write long letters .. sometime i "fire away" another portion of links, they of course in English, half people here just can't read them properly, other nearly half busy with something else ...
Everything i can say was said 100-times before, everything was twisted and turned around long before me even come close to all this. But hopefully i still have some steam? Time will tell .... us. (i definitely have some very big pdf to read and re-write as copyable text... hopefully it will make good point in some letters i planning to send, because our vet officials refuse to even inspecting dolphinarium, let alone anything more serious action! Despite fotos clearly showing dolphin (Bayan) with some skin problems and another dolphin kept separate during show time (Neon, only one who was born in this pool, soon to be 5 years old) ... They trying to convince me everything is OK - even if it was me who printed and corrected veterinary book, currently used in all dolphinariums .. No, i'm far from have veterinary knowledge, but i definitely have reasons to worry about dolphin's health!)
And at the end .. some people may find me too ... open (or fearless). This is true, if you have sensitive info and not sure - don't give it to me, simply because i can use it in very strange ways. Be warned ...
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It is important to obey the law.Good to hear that you agree Dolphins must be treated with kindness. :)
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Originally posted by peecee
Why is Scunner so quiet? Where are you[?]
What would you like Scunner to say?
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AndrewR
In England we have been fortunate to have television programmes which helped us understand about keeping animals in their own habitat.People like Hans and Lottie Hass,Armand and Michiela Dennis,Jacques Coustea, David Bellamy,Attenborough and others who have presented programmes which explain how animals live.
Dolphin pools are no longer wanted in Britain as a result of people understanding it is a bad way of keeping a mammal like a dolphin. Perhaps in time this will happen in Russia.
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I believe they too have television programmes in Russia now Daff:D
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I know that they have the telly in Russia,I watch Russia Today on satellite TV in Ovacik.What I wonder is if they have the programmes such as we are fortunate enough to see in Britain which people like Desmond Morris and David Bellamy have been involved with. Don't you think educa :)ting people about animals is part of the fight against places such as this puddle in Hisaronu?
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We are posting this on behalf of Ökyü who came all the way from Istanbul at her own expense to be at the Protest March last Friday. She is a very lovely person and her and her colleagues at HAYTAP who have offered amazing support to us over the Hisaronu Dolphin Park have had this great idea.
If you can help by contacting the Diving Schools and seeing if they would be prepared to take part please do.
Dear all, we, as HAYTAP - animal rights federation, are organizing an event in which all divers will dedicate their SUNDAY DIVES TO CAPTIVE DOLPHINS on the 11th of July (this Sunday)... We shall both take photos and film above and under the water with campaign banner to share them with the local and the national media......
Can anyone SUGGEST diving schools in Mugla or specifically Fethiye that would give support urgently????? There were a few in the protest march, no?
And even anyone in their own city or town to organize it locally (anywhere in Turkey)?
I am now trying to prepare the Istanbul part with a few friends...
just keep in mind that we are trying to conceptualize things properly.. this is the first brief info to get people informed and maybe started to get prepared... we'll send the detailed info soon.. people would check the link below and forward it to turkish diving schools! Please!
Thank you all...
http://www.facebook.com/?tid=1219815875372&sk=messages#!/event.php?eid=110738628975721&ref=mf
FB link corrected
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Re: TV as way to highlight problem(s) and/or generic educational window into real world.
Well, various channels translated few very important documentaries, they were aired .. and ...I can't see great effect from them, probably most people just watched them like usual, slightly harmonized coloriful "noise" and forgot about ideas those documentaries were talked about?! Some otherwise very good documentaries about dolphin intelligence may even enforce idea about absolutely necessity of captive research!
In general, i fear to many people still see TV as window into some other planet few light-years away (at least when it talks about uncommon, little-known wildlife). So naything is just picture, nothing to worry about in everyday life. Small attention span and inability to glue few episodes together play its negative role, too ...People enjoy watching TV but not necessary _think_ after each program, unfortunately :( And even serious issues can be swapped out from someone's brain by "standart" everyday life (job, family).
As it was noted here - "If its already running - it must be OK" mentality prevent people from deep investigation. And big crowds of people usually think less, and prone to specific errors (sorry, can't find exact link, it was described somewhere before this line of thinking .... http://www.lucifereffect.com/links_add_norms.htm - basically, social rules may lead to very unhealthy effects, not because individual humans are THAT bad, but because very few have enough power to change rules.... One of such unspoken rules seems to be ... sit and enjoy your show in dolphinarium, never complain, never ask questions ...)
On more "hot news" topics - usually those who have money/power most welcomed at TV stations, but even they have few mins at most, and as you can imagine this is usually just "good pictures from our dolphinarium", nothing critical (because dolphinarium's administration hardly will welcome their critics!)
May be i asked for too much, but oddly-placed, five-minutes-long (between two commercial ads blocks), biased and not smart at all "coverage" is not something i looked forward for? I had lengthly and over-heated debate with one reporter from Moscow nearly year ago - at the end we come to conclusion very few reporters will push uncomfortable truth at screen .... TV is just another industry, wanting money and sometimes attention, i don't know (yet) how to handle them, but will try again ....
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sorry for off-topic, this one link seems to be important, too
http://news.stanford.edu/pr/97/970108prisonexp.html
1/8/97
CONTACT: Stanford University News Service (415) 723-2558
The Stanford Prison Experiment: Still powerful after all these years
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Yet she had difficulty resisting the group pressure to be enthusiastic about what was going on in the name of science.
Why i bringing up this theme& because it was something (i suppose) happened behind at least one closed dolphinarium/research station doors here in Russia ...Situation in 2004 was described exactly as "everyone was just standing still and look down, no one complain" ( Dear mr. scientist did something wrong and lost his dolphin). This kind of corrupted view on what allowed "in the name of science" was very influential in my life, even if person who did fatal error after some time said he is now again such experiments!
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http://www.yalealumnimagazine.com/issues/2007_01/milgram.html
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As Milgram described it, he hit upon the concept for his experiment while musing about a study in which one of his professors, Solomon Asch, had tested how far subjects would conform to the judgment of a group. Asch had put each subject in a group of coached confederates and asked every member, one by one, to compare a set of lines in order of length. When the confederates all started giving the same obviously false answers, 70 percent of the subjects agreed with them at least some of the time.
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And afternotes ....
It seems (for me), this " i can think less, because there is enough other people for doing this activity" is just standard in animal kingdom energy-saving feature, but with humans it may lead to very destructive effects. And this really drive me mad - when very same people count dolphins and report "there are just around 7000 of bottlenose dolphins in Black Sea" and then just continue their usual business with captive dolphins, even dropping any words about their endangered status from show script ?! What should i say about "scientists" who just capture and sell away ever-increasing number of beluga whales and walruses from our waters?! (after dolphin trade from Black Sea was finally stopped at formal level. Illegal trade, as you can predict, may occur regardless of any amount of signed papers). Probably, for me, right now, violating nearly all knowledge already gathered (in very hard way, sometimes!) and dumbing down generic public in mass numbers is most serious crime from dolphinarium's "owners". Well, in Moscow and Saint-Petersburg they ene not owners, they just rent one or more swimming pools .... Cheapst possible way for expanding, same with all those vouges with animals... into countries like ... Egypt, Turkey ..... :/ This is very possible you have some Black Sea dolphins, wild-caught just before 2005, hopefully in this case mr. Kuznetsov was not lied , because i really see better chances for rehab in Mediterranean sea (due to better economics and better awareness)
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typo in my post
* said he is now against such experiments! (ooops)
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The local Fethiye press today reported that the Vali (Mugla governor) and the Kaymakam are investigating the dolphinarium with the help of/and under the direction of, the ministry of the environment in light of the 'walk' and the huge number of complaints they have received.
Well you have all made their heads ache, well done!
Let us hope they come up with the sort of decision we would like to see, but this is not the UK and the criteria used will almost certainly be based on the law and from what I understand that may depend more on the use of land and local business interests and rights rather than the welfare of dolphins.
Anyway enough of surmising it is an important step taken, just hope it moves in the direction we want.
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Just have to hope it is the beginning of the end.
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RESULT RESULT RESULT RESULT
YOU HEARD IT FIRST HERE NOW OFF TO FB...:D
A couple of nights ago we two Dolphin Angels were up until 3am writing yet another letter.
This time to Dr. Çom General Director of Primary Health Care.
Perihan who runs the Animal Aid Shelter in Uzumlu near Fethiye was in Ankara on business related to the neutering of 1 million dogs in Turkey and the she bought up for us the issue of the Hisarönü Dolphin Park with Dr. Çom.
He said immediately tell the girls (that's us) to write me a letter explaining their concerns. We got a phone call from Perihan at about midnight and then between us we wrote a letter which was finally sent along with our attachments at three in the morning.
It took a day to translate the letter. This morning Inspectors from Mugla arrived at Hisarönü Dolphin Park, instructed by Dr: Çom with signed authority from the Turkish Minister of Health to take water samples and to test it.
The RESULT is that it IS NOT FIT FOR HUMANS TO SWIM IN and here is a little bit of advance warning for our dear Başkam, tomorrow he will receive a letter telling him that under no circumstances are humans to be allowed to swim in that water.
And NOT ONLY THAT the water will now also be tested by a Biologist qualified to carry out the tests to see if it is fit for DOLPINS.
Oh and by the way they asked to see the license and of course as we knew there is still NO License...
A little bit of who you know and errrr who said letter writing didn't make a difference? ;)
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WOW! WOW! WOW !What fantastic miracle makers you angels are. Tom and Misha are lucky to have you as their avenging angels. Can't wait for the next instalment. Hopefully plans to rehabilitate our 2 lovely dolphins. Well done, praise well deserved.
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Well done Dolphin Angels
Light at the end of the tunnel at last
Congratulations to you both for your ceaseless campaigning
and attention to detail in this matter.
:D:D:D
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Excellent news DA....will be interesting the next test results to see if the water is fit for the dolphins.!!
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WOW WOW WOW WOW, what a fantastic result, well done you letter writers and well done to Perihan for bringing it to the attention of Dr Com.
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Absolutely fantastic words can't do justice to how I feel so can't imagine how you guys are feeling.
Well done Angels and everyone who supported this campaign.
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Absolutely fantastic well done all involved. Fingers crossed for the next exciting installment !!! (and very big hugs to Perihan - I always knew not to mess with her !!!) xxx
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Its not over yet - but we think its a BIG step forward
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BRILLIANT !!!!!!!!!!!!!! Well done Angelic letter writers
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Bloody FANTASTIC [sorry].
Well i know Perihan very well and dont always see eye to eye with her, but she is a force to be reckoned with and when she belives in something she will go hell for leather to put things right.
Also Dolphin angels you have worked so hard to make a better life for Misha and Tom and lots more Dolphins im sure.
You really are very special and that goes for all the people that have made time for such a fantastic cause.
Eric and Fiona our Andy [ANIMAL AID]to name but a few.
BLOODY FANTASTIC
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The best of news so far.
Wonder if he'll continue to sell tickets 'under the counter'. and it also makes me wonder about the other Dolphinariums in Turkey?
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Great news - People Power at it's finest :-)
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Originally posted by peecee
The best of news so far.
Wonder if he'll continue to sell tickets 'under the counter'. and it also makes me wonder about the other Dolphinariums in Turkey?
How can they be any different? They should all be checked.
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excellent news well done to everybody for all your hard work ...hopefully Tom and Misha will be free soon :)
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Absolutely FAB-UL-OUS news.
Mind you I should have know when I was talking to Nichola and she said "WE WILL WIN"
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Another nail... ;)
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ALWAYS KNEW WE WOULD IN THEN END!! CONGRATULATIONS TO EVERYBODY!!!!
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in aint over yet!
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Wonderful news, GOD works in mysterious ways doesn't he, bless you Dolphin Angels
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Fantastic news...well done Dolphon Angels and everyone else who has been involved in this...lets hope more good news follows and Tom and Misha will be free soon. Well done again.
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This is just such incredible news, well done Perihan and you Dolphin Angels a true force.......I hope these beautiful creatures will soon be free...certainly nobody could do anymore than they have and this has had just so much backing and support from everyone.....just amazing........just a little way further to go...xxx
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:) Great News . well done. ;)
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That is brilliant news,well done both of you for all the endless campaigning,think you both deserve a drink!! but not from the dolphin pool eh!! brilliant.:D:D
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A little over 100 days since this thread was started by (lets not forget) Scunner and the creation of the facebook page - an awesome achievement :)
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Wonderful news. Hopefully rehabilitation will be soon. Well done...again!!
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Let's not let our guard down but let's allow ourselves a brief moment to pat ourselves on the back - done - right- on with the fight!
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Really fantastic! unfortunately here in Spb i just got letter from veterinary officials they don't want to bother with additional checking in our dolphinarium, got very short letter saying "there was no reason for non-scheduled inspection". And they will have scheduled one may be in next 2 years (here is 3 years long period between regular checking/inspections).
Also as side note 1M dogs sounds like very huge task! ....Good luck with this one too
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Originally posted by Gorgeous_bird
Let's not let our guard down but let's allow ourselves a brief moment to pat ourselves on the back - done - right- on with the fight!
Agreed GB.
Could this man order checks to be done on all Dolphinariums in Turkey.
Surely evidence of danger to humans should be a start.
If this pool is found not fit for dolphins that should be a resaon for checking the rest.
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Drove past the 'pool' this afternoon. People in the pool with the Dolphins (hope they didn't pay : :)) If they did then that is totally illegal and, of course, very unsafe healthwise as the water is unfit for humans.
If anyone feels brave enough (and their face isn't known) could they approach the 'pool' and ask to swim. (I couldn't because was in a group) If told 'yes' ask to see licence (!!) and THE PUBLIC INSURANCE certificate to swim with Dolphins. THEN report them to the Zabita. £50.00 for a packet of crisps is a tad expensive.
They CANNOT LEGALLY SELL TICKETS (or illegally for that matter: :).)
And, of course, post here :D
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Good idea Claire, hope someone can....so that we know and can pass it on....
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Hi Peecee, could you tell if they were holidaymakers and did you hear what language they were speaking. Silly people.
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i went past the pool at 6.30 turkish time, today thursday, and the pool area was open...no one was in the pool at the time...but i guess if the pool area is open then people could be offered the chance to swim with the dolphins...cant quite understand this.....if there is no license, the water has been tested, and found not fit for humans to be in....how can the park still be open....beggers belief to me!!!!!
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please can someone tell me-who or what is zabita-how can i contact them?
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Woooohoooo!!!!! :-D
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The Zabita are the Tourist Police and they can usually be found at the Belidere Offices
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I meant about the water quality tests etc :-)
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Hey AndrewR, which dolphinarium are you targeting at the moment? Let me know if there is anything I can do. I have a group for ALL captive dolphins on facebook, so feel free to post anything there to bring the plight of those dolphins to everyone's attention! I also have a website where I can post something on. Let me know! The group is:
http://www.thepetitionsite.com/2/urgent-please-help-save-these-2-dolphins
The website:
www.voice4captivedolphins.me
Great job you're doing! Perhaps more of us can write the dolphinarium you are targeting and perhaps we can get that inspection asap!
Take care,
Carina x
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The official letters regarding the water are supposed to be sent out to respective offices today.
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Well done its fantastic letter writing has taken momentum. Keep it up and we will all play a part!!!
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well done to all involed lets not take our foot off the gas now
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ive heard he is touting for buisness at the gates-any news??
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He can TOUT all he likes!! The people at Hisaronou are not buying any tickets!! The BOYCOTT is working!!
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There are reports of people being seen in the pool.
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FACT - If the water in the pool is suitable for Dolphins it can not be suitable for Humans.
If the water in the pool is suitable for Humans it can not be suitable for Dolphins.
The chlorine and chemicals needed for it to be safe for Dolphins must be low.
For Humans the chlorine and chemicals must be much higher. Very simple really... this pool will close
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Re: my last post about reporting to Zabita have been advised this is NOT a good idea at present time. Anyone seeing people swimming in the pool just advise DA's or post on here.
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There is a woman called Heidi Pedersen who is working for a Danish company called Delphina Tours who is selling/promoting swimming with dolphins from Kaş.
She was there with a family a four when I was there at he Hellhole. She is operating from either the Nur Hotel or the Nur Beach Hotel (will find out for sure) and then takes the people from Kaş to Hisaronu.
I doubt very much she has a work permit.
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If she does not have a permit would she be kicked out the country?
Job done?
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Carina, not sure if my e-mail land in your inbox, i got
Remote host said: 550 B001 Quota exceeded
But part of story was told here, you can see pictures
http://www.dauphinlibre.be/dauphins_russes_2009.htm
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Hm, anyway, i'll post my mail here, nothing secret in it (sorry for deviating thread from Misha and Tom)
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Hello!
For me 'urgent-please-help-save-these-2-dolphins' petition seems closed ?
"This petition is closed. Thank you for your interest. "
Myself descended (in some sense) from this one "dolphinarium":
http://dolphinarium.ru/main.php they have guestbook, but its moderated, of course.Despite having 50-m long pool - i hardly can call this place healthy. I personally remember people (staff) complaining about strong chlorine smell in air close to water surface, its water filtration system was clearly not adequate (in 2004, when i first come in as strange kind of volunteer, they never accept even idea about this, but back in time "they" were, in some areas, "we"! ). During last-year "Dolphinarium Wars" in Moscow this place surely ... slipped down, show performed as pure circus act, without even single word about supposed education. Two unused dolphins held in isolation during show-time; according to visitor's notes in their online guestbook those two dolphins allowed at last swim in whole pool (minus various cages at the right end, of course) at evening time, when people come to swim with them. But something clearly changed Bayan's skin, leaving big
and visible even after 6 months after initial observation (by me, and other visitor noted such changes much earlier) white patches. Even if patches itself are harmless, they indicate something, just as "non-usable" (sorry!) state of captive-born dolphin named Neon.
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IMGP6454.jpg - from 10.04.2010 (dolphin named Bayan)
shot0008.png - screenshot from video, taken 16.09.2009
http://www.dauphinlibre.be/dauphins_russes_2009.htm - also show this story, from slightly different angle. (i was not aware about another anti-captivity warrior until Juliana showed up last year. because while i was "busy" at forums, she was busy actually protesting).
But dolphinarium scandal was HUGE.
http://togeth.er.ru/5000000000/comand/blogs.shtml?7532 - 900 comments simple because we overflow some internal limit, and this is not counting another places ....Unfortunately, all this was about control/ownership - who will milk money from dolphins. But this scandal clearly turn some people at dolphinarium even less friendly than usual.
For now, officially, scandal is over, but summer season is up and running, i really want to hope water is not as bad currently (shows were suspended in end-June for some work, probably in this area), but strange resistance from city veterinary officials on inspection is worrying sign for me ... Especially because last time we checked (early July this year) dolphinarium was operating without necessary permission papers from fed. departments, just like rest of them all over Russia! (very sad surprise)
I was sending land mails to this city-wise department:
http://gov.spb.ru/gov/admin/otrasl/veter
Their first answer about probable death of one dolphin (Volka, died in 2005, but 'never died' according to official answer from vets!) was quite long, but then, gradually, they shortened their answers to "we see no reason for another inspection". Even after i send to them very sad, but true example about officially-known documented non-conformance of one Russian dolphinarium with even sketchy rules, required by current Russian laws! (it seems procuracy checked only paper-compliance side of things, not even real situation and found errors anyway!). According to answer from our oversight government officials - they simply don't even know HOW MANY so-called protected Black Sea dolphins currently held in captivity in Russia! How on Earth you can "control" anything if you even don't know how many you have NOW, let alone dynamics?!
Problem is ... this is Russia. Not every single person here know English or any other foreign language. So, direct communication not always possible ...
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any news today?
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If ever there was a reason to keep this campaign going it is this article in the Mail online from today ........
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1293379/Shocking-moment-dolphin-leaps-tank-marine-show.html
If it happened to Misha & Tom what facilities would be at the 'HELLHOLE' to help them?
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They would just roll them back in.....B*****ds
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THERES NOT ENOUGH ROOM FOR THEM TO JUMP ANYWHERE!!free them now.
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Hi Andrew, I received your emails, thank you! I will get back to you through email! Sorry about the link I sent you about the facebook group, that was the wrong link. Here is the correct link:
http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=338861723502
Thanks for getting in touch and speak to you soon! x
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We all know the saying two steps forward one step back - well what follows is a bit like this...
Firstly just to say that all the relevant paper work has been requested from the Oludeniz Belediye by our Lawyer - they have 30 days to comply and are running out of time.
License
We have had 3 different but reliable sources tell us that the Dolphin Park has been given a license for the pool. So to cut a long story short it seems the Ölüdeniz Belediye has given a license for the kiosk and the pool can be used for fun and entertainment.
There is no mention of Dolphins in the license but this license must be why they think they can sell swims with Dolphins. And we know some local tour operators like Hamish McTurk and Focus are taking people there.
Water tests
As a result of the water test ordered by the Health Minister it was revealed that a previous test had been carried out a week previously (also ordered by Ankara) showing the water to be unfit for humans. However we are waiting for the results of the second test and also the biologist tests for the suitability of the water for the Dolphins.
The Health Ministry understands that if the water is fit for Dolphins it can not be fit for Humans and vice versa so this situation will not be able to continue. It is very frustrating to have to wait but we believe we are making progress.
Local tour operators boycott
In the meantime it is of the utmost importance that we continue to spread the word and maintain the effort to stop people swimming in that pool. Incredible as it may seem to us that anyone would be so selfish and ignorant of the consequences of their actions there are clearly people out there that are - selfish and ignorant that is!
They might not be so happy to get in that pool if they knew their 10 minutes at fifty quid a throw per person could cause them to become seriously ill.
Health risks
As covered previously there is scientific research that proves many diseases can be transmitted to humans from Dolphins and also from Dolphins to humans. Here are a few reminders of what might result from swimming in a pool that has two Dolphins excreting 10-15 kilos of poop each per day.
Tuberculosis and other bacterial diseases such as Weils Disease a severe form of Leptospirosis characterised by jaundice, circulatory collapse and tendency to haemorrhage.
Herpes Virus
Influenza
Pneumonia
Dolphins also carry microbes/pathogens associated with food poisoning such as
Salmonella
E.coli
Listeria
However the work continues and we belive that the end is in sight. This is merely a temporary set back and we will not rest until Misha and Tom are back in the sea where they belong and in a much better place than Hisaronu or Kas ever was.
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gutted-fun and entertainment?????what shall we do today kids? i know-lets see if we can catch t.b.eh?
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Here you go have a look for yourselves - Diseases Transmitted to Humans. from a talk by Dr. Adrian Lawler ... Carried by many animals, including dolphins, shellfish, and fish. ...
http://www.seabay.org/art_diseases_by_alawler.htm
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Ok - so he has a license for the pool. Does he actually have a license for the dolphins? Maybe Health Ministry needs to pay a visit to the agencies selling Dolphin Swim and fine them for allowing people to participate on a very knowingly disease related excursion
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Ok - so he has a license for the pool. Does he actually have a license for the dolphins? Maybe Health Ministry needs to pay a visit to the agencies selling Dolphin Swim and fine them for allowing people to participate on a very knowingly disease related excursion
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Following on from the link posted 10th July above on "Diseases Transmitted to Humans," from fish etc in a list that includes Dolphins - people started writing to Dr. Adrian Lawler with tales of their experiences - check this one out
Girl swam with the dolphins and sea lions at a facility; shortly thereafter she came down with a mysterious malady. Initially it was an infected eye, then a swollen head and pain. Apparently the infection entered via eye or tear ducts. Infection was presumed to be due to her swimming in animal sewerage pollution that was not handled by the filtration system at the facility.
You need to scroll down to the bottom of page to see the above but if you have a fish tank also beware!!!!
http://www.aquarticles.com/articles/management/Lawler_Infection_Details.html
We have one water test result that already says categorically the water in the Hisaronu pool is unfit for humans
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This is currently an UNCONFIRMED RUMOUR
Does anyone know anyone that flew in on a Thomsons flight Wednesday 7th July.
If so can they confirm or deny that the Hisaronu Dolphin Park was promoted.
We want to confirm or quash the rumour either way.
If some one says it was we would like the following info.
Was it on the flight? If so was it in on flight video or by a rep?
Was it on a transfer?
Plus any other details
Please no one jump and down while this is looked into and we know the facts for sure.
Thank you
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This may sound a bizarre request but.......
can anyone provide me with a few small artificial trees, the kind that are used for model railways or architectural models.
Or perhaps you have seen them on sale, please let me know where.
We need to show those who have no imagination, what a rehabilitation centre should look like and so a model has to be made.
So please, any ideas for any tiny models trees, buildings etc
Anyone coming over from UK soon....perhaps they could buy some for us they wont take up much suitcase room, of course they will be reimbursed and will greatly help our effort.
Thank you for your help on this one,
it could be very important.
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Property developers should either have some to lend or tell you where to get them from as they make plans of their complexes before selling villas off plan. I will check whether the one showing our complex has trees if so will ask if we can have them. They sell Play dough in all the supermarkets so we can improvise if none forthcoming.
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Suggestion:- For model trees, get bottle brushes and trim them to desired size and possibly coat with hair lacquer to make sticky and dust with salt or sugar then spray with green paint :D
Might work [^]
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Coming out 20th.....will bring trees etc if you still need them...anything else needed - if so just email me.
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Rindaloo, were you a Blue Peter presenter in a previous life?:D
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ROFL, I was just thinking that my Blue Peter years had finally paid off. But I was disappointed I hadn't managed to include a Fairy Liquid Bottle in the design, LOL!!
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I think that must just be a rumour as Thomson don't fly on a Wed. Their flight days are Mon/Thur/Sat/Sun. As far as I know the only airlines flying on a Wed are Thomas Cook and Easyjet.
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We'd be very surprised too and as said was only a rumour. Thanks Donna
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Rindaloo - you could always stand there, squirt occasionally and pretend it's a spray fountain [^]
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What about a toy shop for buying trees?
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Originally posted by peecee
Re: my last post about reporting to Zabita have been advised this is NOT a good idea at present time. Anyone seeing people swimming in the pool just advise DA's or post on here.
Can I ask WHY?
Have just come past the pool and there are "hunters" outside trying to get people inside.
If they do not have a licence then the Zabita should be enforcing the rules.
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Is there a model/craft shop in Fethiye where they could be found?
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Have just liberated 10 small model trees from our complex model where do they need delivering to? If they are ok they seem easy to make (Blue Peter eat your heart out) they are simply dried seed heads coloured green and we have tons of the right plant to make more.
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Well done Rosy - pity we couldn't liberate Misha & Tom as easily!!!
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http://www.landoflights.net/local-news/dive-centres-across-turkey-dedicate-their-dives-to-"free-divers-free-dolphins-"-4518.html
Dive centres across Tureky dedicate their dives
Free Dives - Free Dolphins
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Can I ask WHY?
Have just come past the pool and there are "hunters" outside trying to get people inside.
If they do not have a licence then the Zabita should be enforcing the rules.
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Unfortunately the Oludeniz Belediye has seen fit to give a license which reads as follows:
Name Dolphin Park
Purpose: Gosteri Amaçli Yüzme Havuzu-Bufe Isl.
Translated this means
Show, swim pool and Cafe
Now the purpose does not mention Dolphins (Yunus is Dolphins)
This license was apparently considered sufficient for the Jandarma who paid them a visit following a complaint on Saturday on the basis that they were selling tickets for or people were swimming with the Dolphins without a license.
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DA is this why they are now offering 5 minutes watching the dolphins for £10? Pictures are extra of course!!
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the news is not good-someone has been near the hellhole,and misha and tom seem very listless-and one is just lying on its side-there must be SOMEBODY that can help-SURELY?????
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I've been waiting all morning for a follow up to this last post - nothing, not a thing posted about anything. Can someone on the ground please let us know what the latest is with Tom and Misha?
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Whilst I fully understand your concerns Val, but the wonderful people who have got the campaign this far, DO have lifes of their own. So lets just wait for them to let us know when they can, shall we.
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Not for one minute questioning that they have lives of there own and have total admiration for them - just very concerned by the sad news and desperate for a follow up to the alarming situation
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That's totally understandable Val. Perhaps it would be useful for christine to come back on and give us more details of what she knows.
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Being a fully committed supporter of the save the dolphins campaign,myself and my wife were amongst the hundreds of marchers who turned out in support of it.
However it was a body blow today to see the banners stretched across the road in Ovacik today proclaiming the dolphinarium now open.!!
What is the problem with the local authorities,are they so out of touch with the modern world,and sensability that they can't accept what is going on.
Its finally brought home to me what I've been suspecting for a long time now,Turkey is a country apparently run by village people.
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Originally posted by geordieboy
Being a fully committed supporter of the save the dolphins campaign,myself and my wife were amongst the hundreds of marchers who turned out in support of it.
However it was a body blow today to see the banners stretched across the road in Ovacik today proclaiming the dolphinarium now open.!!
What is the problem with the local authorities,are they so out of touch with the modern world,and sensability that they can't accept what is going on.
I was also very shocked to see the banners flying across the road in Ovacik today, suggesting that you visit your local tour operator, or call the numbers displayed and that Tim and Misha were waiting for you [:(!][:(!]:-\
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They can put as many banners up in Ovacik, Uzumlu, Olu Deniz, Calis, Fethiye or wherever else they like! It will not make people go. It may actually work in our favour as hopefully anybody who asks about taking part with local tour operators or other holidaymakers will be educated to the plight of Misha & Tom!! The boycott campaign is working well and it will NOT be STOPPED!!
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Very sad news indeed I was also on the protest march, it seems to have not done a thing, also just been passed Yalcins restaurant and the baby goat is back in full sun, no drink and begging box, I told him he is cruel got a load of verbal back and had to hold back my husband back before he punched him, that is why we are so disallusioned with Turkey they simply dont listen to people's views they know best obviously!!!!!!
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This is Turkey and we must respect (as yabanci) the way things are done here. It is their country whether we agree to the way things are run (or not ;))
Re: the kid (baby goat) I believe the law is being broken 8) with regards to the welfare of the animal - report it and make sure you get a report number and FOLLOW IT UP! REPORT TO A HIGHER AUTHORITY IF NECESSARY. It has been mentioned on here but can't remember which page.
Don't forget, chaps, who we are dealing with (and I don't mean the Russian). If you know the history (and I don't mean people who live in the area because they do) then this is a long hard slog. Don't give up.
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While we understand every ones frustration with the current situation it may be of interest to know that the Dolphin Park is on the verge of bankruptcy.
Who can blame them for advertising their failing business in a last ditch attempt to get customers while they sink further into the quagmire of their own (and Keramettin's) making.
Please rest assured that there is no in-action on the part of the Dolphin Angels. This is a full time job and we have given up any lives of our own with personal loss of time and income in our efforts to see the Dolphins out of that pool.
There is a dedicated team working on this and not a day or night goes by when we stop doing everything necessary to bring an end to this situation.
There are a number of things going on which we can not disclose publicly - what we need from all of you is to continue what you are doing by raising awareness of the issue, letting everyone know that the water is a sewage pit and rife with diseases and they enter it at their peril.
We must maintain the boycott to reinforce the message that there never will be a profitable business here.
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You truly are Angels and I have the utmost admiration for you and what you have given up in order to free these beautiful creatures.
I, along with everyone else, have done the best I can to make people aware of their plight and here's hoping that the wait isn't for much longer as I really do fear for their lives at this point as I assume we all do.
Good luck in all your endeavours, we're all with you!!
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DA's Can I ask what our solicitor is doing? Does she need more money to take out injunctions in the court etc??
Everything that seems to be happening is against common justice and natural law of any civilised country
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Here here Dolphin angels. We can understand the total commitment involved.
I found it interesting that the banner actually states Swim with dolphins. So much for just being a show, pool and kiosk. hhmmm!! The council are supposedly aware of the report that the water is unfit for humans yet have probably charged them for putting up the sign!
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You are constantly in Brenda and my thoughts.
Be strong "YOU WILL WIN" :)
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its nearly a week now since the sample water was taken - we are aware that the water is not fit for humans (joke - seeing that people are going in !!) what are the results re the water being ok for dolphins to swim in?
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is it not better to negotiate a speedyier result than to go downn the long road of legal action...legal action closes the door to negotiation...legal action can take months, in witch time the negotiation door is closed, ...the Da know what they are doing...please let them continue on the "path" THEY think is the right path..if its the wrong path...time will be the bairer...Misha and Tom will be in the "hellhole" for ever....DA will not let this happen im sure....give them some time...action WILL happen..im sure.!!
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Originally posted by brianthegardener
is it not better to negotiate a speedyier result than to go downn the long road of legal action...legal action closes the door to negotiation...legal action can take months, in witch time the negotiation door is closed, ...the Da know what they are doing...please let them continue on the "path" THEY think is the right path..if its the wrong path...time will be the bairer...Misha and Tom will be in the "hellhole" for ever....DA will not let this happen im sure....give them some time...action WILL happen..im sure.!!
You could be right, Brian but I just think that by sticking to the rules and being the nice guys we are playing into the Russian's hand - everything he has wanted to happen HAS happened. Maybe the time has come to take the gloves off and play by his rules
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We are concentrating on getting the dolphins out of there by the quickest route possible, if that means a negotiation is quicker than a court case that is the route to go, shutting the dolphin centre is only half the job, the Dolphin Angels are working their socks off behind the scenes and have to hand a lot more information than anyone on here.
Please be patient and bear with us.
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dont want to disagree with you captain...he hasnt had his own way...he has had to reduice his prises..from £55 to £35...he is DESPERATE...hes on his way out....the aim, or it should be, is to get Tom and Misha into rehab...to be allowed to be free..to roam the seas...by confrontation, taking legal action, only prolongs Tom and Mishas captivity...i understand what you and many more people are saying...but please....its not the closing of the dolpphin park that is at stake...its the rehab and the eventual release of Tom and Misha into the wild blue yondar that is at stake here....please...give the DA and there negotiation tem ...a little bit longer....THEY WILL WIN this cause..believe me.!!!:P
The site is so slow Tinks has beat me to your comment captain...but my thoughts are still vallied...i hope!!!
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Absolutely NO critisism of the DA's intended - they are totally dedicated and doing a great job
Just wondering if we all chipped in a bit of cash we could then have the best barristers in Turkey working for us. 17,000+ people x £5each would get the best?
In my experience you cannot negotiate with Russians!!!!
Anyway, will heed your advice and put my "Patience hat" on
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We have a very good lawyer in Sule who is putting in overtime to get this sorted as quickly as possible and money isnt a real issue at the moment as we have her costs covered.
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Just to let you know Dolphin Angels that I have complete trust in you and will support you in every way possible. Stay strong and thank you for your endless efforts and compassion for Tom and Misha, it is truly incredible!
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Our aim has to be, not only removing Misha and Tom from the hell hole of Hisaronu but to provide them with sanctuary afterwards.Finally they must be rehabilitated, and if possible released back into the sea where they belong.
Court action alone will not take care of the dolphins future.
Court action is always an option but this will only ensure the pool is closed and perhaps return the park to public use.
What would happen to the dolphins then?
Therefore, we have to deal intently with the issue of rehabilitation.
We are working hard to ensure this story has a happy ending.
We ask you all to still enquire at travel agents to see if they are selling tickets.
This has been very important and remains important.
Particularly contact Hamish Mc turk and Focus and then report your findings. Check out your local tour operators on Calis promenade, Fethiye, Hisaronu and OluDeniz.
Lets keep up the pressure there.
Post your findings.
Lets get back to getting media attention, writing to any organisation, or celebrities ,royalty, experts in animal welfare issues or ministers particularly with the European connections or television companies, radio stations, newspapers etc etc.
We need as many allies and as much media coverage as possible.
Again, report back any positive findings.
The protest march was not the end of a campaign, but just a part of it.
We still have two dolphins incacerated in a tiny tank.
We are doing our best to find a solution but we still need your help to maintain the outside pressure and keep the momentum going.
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How can Jandarma say that they can have a license for the pool when the water is unfit for humans to swim in - as proved last week with the tests.
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The water issue is of grave concern with regard to public health and is also an important reason why this sceptic tank should never be open to the public and should never be home to two mammals.
Rest assured we are dealing with this important issue with vigour and hope a favourable outcome will be with us soon.
It seems bizarre that with the knowledge that it is unfit for humans, people are still paying to jump in.
Lets hope they dont come out with more than they go in with!!
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BY HOOK OR BY CROOK
OUR VISION FOR MISHA & TOM & ALL THOSE OTHER MISHA & TOMS
(http://a.imageshack.us/img39/6250/dives069.jpg)
Lets not lose sight of what is possible - no one wants to see Misha and Tom whisked off to another hell hole
Know that saying
Poacher turned Game Keeper
HUNTER TURNED SAVIOUR
Ric O'Barry
ANYTHING IS POSSIBLE
EVERYTHING TO PLAY FOR
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The rehabilitation and release of bottlenose Dolphins from Atlantis Marine park, Western Australia
http://aquaticmammalsjournal.org/share/AquaticMammalsIssueArchives/1993/Aquatic_Mammals_19_2/19-02_Gales.pdf
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we know D.A.s are busy-but they keep us in the loop-so take a sec-salute them-the backbone of our group!we know it cant be overnight-these things take time and thought-theyre working through the channels-to cut the journey short!they plan it with precision,and know the steps to tread,to get the right decision-and put this case to bed!applaud their true devotion,theyre working day and night,and moneys not their issue,its all for what is right.stand proudly at their shoulders,help all the world to see-that D.A.s and us angels-WILL see our boys swim free!!
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Today my family:::who are here on holiday:: were with FOCUS for quad biking had to stop oytside the dolphin hell hole to pick people up who had swum with the dolphins
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how on earth are they getting away with this???where is zabita?
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also-how strange-that only yesterday,someone on the f.b.group told of an e.mail she had received on saturday from focus-that they DID NOT sell or have any interest in selling tickets for this venture!!also i beleived,the licence granted only was for snacks and drinks-NO swimming was mentioned-or have i read this wrong?
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:D:D:D:D ;)
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whats the secret tinx ? xx
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just had a phone call....
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If Tinx is doing that, I want to as well!! There must be something!!
:D:D:D:D ;)
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Anyway everybody I think the DA's vision for Misha & Tom is BLO**Y FANTASTIC!!!!
We can do it!! We just need the right place for them!!
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watch this space :) :)[^][^]
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just read on FB - a hint of a rumour of a hint and I am excited x
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Come on Tink - we can't have it on FB and not on here. :o
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Does anybody want to share the secret with the rest of us? All I have seen on facebook is a copy of the 'vision' - is someone now saying this is a reality
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The headline on FB is DOLPHIN PARK TO CLOSE
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The copy of the 'Vision' is on page 159 here!!!
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i'm sure dolphin angels,tinks etc..will put something on soon,i think at the moment they are a bit busy talking about the developments...
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Originally posted by Highlander
The headline on FB is DOLPHIN PARK TO CLOSE
Where! I cant see that - is it true
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actually it goes more like this
....DOLPHIN PARK TO CLOSE..... DOLPHIN PARK TO CLOSE.....DOLPHIN PARK TO CLOSE...
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SSSSSSSSSSSSSHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!
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I am doing something wrong ...the last post I see on the FB wall is from Linda Spike 40 minutes ago showing the vision - please help a FB phobe!!!
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I might have to forgo my night at the pub tonight to keep abreast of developments!
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nothing will happen tonight
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I have been watching FB for hours and NO post has been made about the 'HELLHOLE' to close!! Please tell me what is going on??
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it's who you know! - pub it is then
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you all have to wait for official announcements which will not be tonight.
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we'll look forward to tomorrow then.....
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Please be patient - yes things are happening we have been working on them non stop for the past 3 days.. some of it will come to fruition tomorrow but more to follow...
No instant results over night but nonetheless a very big result tomorrow.
You know what its like until it is in writing, signed and sent... plus it is just the beginning of the next stage... and there will be a reaction back as well.
The game is in play though and currently we are confident we hold the best cards ;)
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Once again DA very very well done and thank God for people like you!!
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Can only reiterate all that has been said already...well done for all you achieved thus far.
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Well done Angels on behalf of Tom and Misha, and all other dolphins who will also benefit from what you have started.
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I'm so excited, can't wait for tomorrow! Well done DA, all your hard work is hopefully about to pay off :D
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Hope it is good news tomorrow! Got back from Meis today after renewing our visas and couldn't help but think of the horrendous journey these 2 innocent dolphins had from Kas. We felt every bump and corner...how much worse was it for them lying on the floor of a fruit and veg van. Sickening.
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THOUGHT YOU MIGHT LIKE TO RE READ OUR POST OF 30.4.10
Our pursuit of this issue has been relentless
Stay tuned
Posted - 30 April 2010 : 18:47:41
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As stated in previous post, now we are concentrating on making the authorities aware of the health and safey aspects of keeping two large dolphins in a very small enclosed pool.
We are not sure if this subject has been considered.
We have been unable to see any of the bulding plans, therefore we do not know how the water purity is going to be maintained.How is it going to be purified, filtered, supplied, disposed of, and chlorinated, also will there be professionals who will be sampling and testing, where are the tests samples going to be sent,and are the dolphns free of any infectious pathogens,
The following lists make interesting reading, they contain possible risks that could be passed from dolphins to humans and from humans to dolphins and more besides.
also the final document to click onto, demonstrates that dolphins are not friendly flipper animals, but can be potentially dangerous.
The two dolphins will certainly be under great stress from their new cramped, noisy, hot, enviromentfilled with tourists.
Who after reading this report, will not have second thoughts.
Any one for a dip!!!
Viral diseases"Research in America found that exposure to marine mammals can involve a health risk to people working with the animals and it can also threaten the health of the public. Diseases contracted from marine mammals are difficult to treat and diagnose, as they may be overlooked or even ignored by physicians who are not aware of the risks or range of potential infectious diseases".
Caliciviruses have been isolated from bottlenose dolphins. The marine caliciviruses appear to be serotypes of vesicular exanthema of swine virus (VESV, Vesicular Exanthema of Swine
Herpes Virus -
Herpesvirus-like lesions occur in a wide variety of cetaceans.
Distemper virus
A delphinoid distemper virus (cetacean morbillivirus [CMV]), closely related to rinderpest ( Rinderpest: Introduction) and peste des petits ruminants ( Peste Des Petits Ruminants: Introduction), has been implicated in the deaths of harbor porpoises and common dolphins off the coast of the UK, striped dolphins in the Mediterranean, and bottlenose dolphins in the western Atlantic and Gulf of Mexico.
The Pox Virus
Morbillivirus:A delphinoid distemper virus (cetacean morbillivirus [CMV]), closely related to rinderpest (Rinderpest: Introduction) and peste des petits ruminants ( Peste Des Petits Ruminants: Introduction), has been implicated in the deaths common dolphins off the coast of the UK, striped dolphins in the Mediterranean, and bottlenose dolphins in the western Atlantic and Gulf of Mexico.
Influenza - Infection is probably common.
Even well-fed captive animals become weak, incoordinated, and dyspneic. Swollen necks due to fascial trapping of air escaping through the thoracic inlet is reported. Occasionally, white or bloody nasal discharge will be evident.
Tuberculosis Weils Disease & LeptospirosisTuberculosis and other bacterial diseases such as Weils Disease a severe form of Leptospirosis characterised by jaundice, circulatory collapse and tendency to haemorrhage.
Pneumonia - The chief cause of death in captive marine mammals is believed to be pneumonia. Clinical signs include lethargy, anorexia, severe halitosis, dyspnea, pyrexia, and marked leukocytosis. The disease can progress rapidly.
Miscellaneous Bacterial Diseases: Marine mammals are probably susceptible to the entire range of pathogenic bacteria.
Salmonella
E.coli
Listeria
Pasteurella multocida has caused several outbreaks of hemorrhagic enteritis with depression and abdominal distress leading to acute death in dolphins..
In dolphins, Mannheimia (Pasteurella) haemolytica has been incriminated in hemorrhagic tracheitis. Burkholderia (Pseudomonas) pseudomallei has caused serious fatal outbreaks of disease in various marine mammals in captivity in the Far East.
Staphylococcal septicemia has caused the death of a dolphin with osteomyelitis of the spine (pyogenic spondylitis). Another case of intradiskal osteomyelitis, due to Staphylococcus aureus
Sources: The above information was taken from the Merck Veterinary Manual
Viral diseases
http://www.merckvetmanual.com/mvm/index.jsp?cfile=htm/bc/170811.htm
Bacterial diseases
http://www.merckvetmanual.com/mvm/index.jsp?cfile=htm/bc/170808.htm
There is more information on the impact on human health in Chapter 5 page 29 of the Attached Booklet
http://www.hsus.org/web-files/PDF/MarMamCptvtyBklt.pdf
Male Dophin kills man
http://www.science-frontiers.com/sf101/sf101b07.htm
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Remember it well!! Seems like a couple of years ago!
;) ;)
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listen guys, my employer is going to get no work done from me today, as I will have CBF and FB open all day waiting for news. I can't tell you how much I wish I was there.....soooo exciting xxxxx
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Originally posted by Dolphin Angels
The rehabilitation and release of bottlenose Dolphins from Atlantis Marine park, Western Australia
http://aquaticmammalsjournal.org/share/AquaticMammalsIssueArchives/1993/Aquatic_Mammals_19_2/19-02_Gales.pdf
Excellent insightful article which shows the challenges of releasing captive dolphins into the wild. Thanks for posting. Donna
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Today the Ministry of Health issued a Directive - that is another word for ORDER ;)
As of right now no humans are to get in the Hisaronu Dolphin Pool.
It has been declared unfit and signs have to go up around the pool stating that humans are forbidden to get in the water.
From now on anyone who sees anyone swimming in the pool must report it and make a complaint to the Zabita.
That is step one...
The process for determining the water is safe for the Dolphins is being worked out and information sourced on the internet and from Born Free and WDCS who are working together to support us has been sent to the appropriate people.
There are 23 Dolphinaria in Turkey - who knew there were so many!
All Dolphinaria are going to have their water tested...
Who would have thought such a little Dolphin Park in Hisaronu would lead to a world wide protest and as yet untold impact on the future of Dolphinaria in Turkey.
We are now beginning a journey that might lead to very significant changes in attitudes, practices, policy and legislation in Turkey.
The adventure is just beginning and hopefully before long Misha and Tom will be on their way to a better place.
The issue of Misha and Tom has been raised by the Ministry of Health with the Ministry of Agriculture but as yet we don't know what their response is or will be.
This will be more tricky and there is bound to be some resistance. We will continue to work on this and keep you informed as and when we can
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:D[^] Brilliant news Angels !
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fantastic news...the first of many steps to go....well done to all involved.
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What a start Dolphin Angels!!!
The fight is still not over obviously but we are well on our way to getting Misha & Tom out of the 'HELLHOLE'!! The impact as you say on all dolphinaria in Turkey hopefully will be as great as what you have achieved so far!!
WELL DONE!!!
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Great to read, but shameful it got as far as this. Congratulations go to everyone who gave their support and those individuals who gave so much of their time to this cause.
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.... as we all have achieved - every single one of you and us together make this happen. It not over yet but it feels like we are on our way. :D :) :D
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I feel a bit tearful !
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Me too GB
Fantastic news Angels.
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This is fantastic news, well done DA. All of your hard work is showing that results will and are happening. A definite step in the right direction.
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Fantastic news. Well done Dolphin Angels. Let's hope it becomes a case of "little acorns" etc etc !
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17,545 thank yous!!!!!
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I think I will share a glass with a few people tonight!!!! The toast will be for the Dolphin Angels and Misha & Tom!!!
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Fantastic news...well done dolphin angels and everyone else who has taken action...we're sure this is the start of a good journey for Misha and Tom.
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Brilliant news!!!
Well done to all involved
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Thats it ...I'm crying again!!! This time with happiness xxx Well done everybody xxx
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Fabulous news and just reward for such hard work by a truly wonderful group of people.
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FANTASTIC!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! May the day come soon for a better place for Tom and Misha!!! Once again, your work is incredible!!!!!!!!!!
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You Dolphin Angels have earned your place in heaven. Such hard work, dedication and faith have won thru. I'm welling up here, hope Misha and Tom will soon be in their own heaven.
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for goodness sake - my emotions can't take much more of this roller coaster !!! fantastic news and congratulations to everyone who has helped achieve this result so far. You really are lovely lovely people. Sitting here with tears streaming down my face....hoping and praying that the end result is now in sight xxx
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I guess words cannot express how we all feel....
Dolphin Angels having read all your posts...you are truly amazing people and fight for the cause 100% and much more, also absolute tribute to the Animal Aid guys who worked so hard to get the T Shirts for the peaceful protect sorted and also Nicola who posted relentlessly to the most wonderful forum members ever...are we not all so proud to be part of this......without this wonderful forum and people none of this would have been possible.....we should be truly proud....incredible....xxxxxxxxxxxxx:D
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hope you are all part of,or are reading the f.b.posts too-things are buzzing on there tonight-everyone is on such a gratefull high!!!!
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Thank you to the D.A's and everybody else who has worked so hard in getting where we are today. We must carry on this fight as we have been doing and make sure that everyone is aware of what we are fighting for ........... we will not stop and will carry on being heard :D
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Brilliant news for all involved, WELL DONE!!
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Yes the pool is now closed for public use and that is indeed a big tick in a big box.
However, this is not the end of our campaign.
The two poor creatures are still incacerated, in what is now deemed unfit water, and must be removed with urgency and taken back to sea where they belong.
Their health is in danger.
NOW we ask everyone in the vicinity please be extra vigilant.
Take notice of any tourists entering and follow instructions on previous post.
Check on the dolphins from any safe balcony viewpoint
Report at once any strange activity
We are doing our utmost to get them released, but this is now a difficult time and we need every curtain twitcher avaliable to become watchful!
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Well done Dolphin Angels,and everyone involved,such good news. :)
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And in the longer term, always remember who supported this vile and cruel facility. There will always be alternative transfer companies to give your hard earned cash to, or other bars who showed respect to the silent protest, or trip company to book your excursion with. They took their decisions to support this cruelty because they saw the chance to earn cash from the suffering. Their support allowed the project to appear more viable and with that extended the length it has taken to get to any good news such as the directive today.
Wouldn't it be fitting if the whole thing turns full circle, and in a year or two they would have gone from seeing this project as the big earner, to looking back on it as the one thing that sent their fortunes crashing downwards.
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Summed up in a nut shell. Very well put.
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The Brazilian Regulations for Dolphinaria - so stringent they have no Dolphinaria in Brazil
FEDERAL PUBLIC SERVICE
MINISTRY OF THE ENVIRONMENT
BRAZILIAN INSTITUTE FOR THE ENVIRONMENT AND NATURAL RENEWABLE RESOURCES
REGULATION No 3 OF 8 FEBRUARY 2002
THE PRESIDENT OF THE BRAZILIAN INSTITUTE FOR THE ENVIRONMENT AND NATURAL RENEWABLE RESOURCES - IBAMA, in the use of the powers that are vested in him by Article 24 of the Regimental Structure approved by Edict No 3.833 of 5 June 2001, Article 83 of the Company Rules, approved by the GM/MINTER Decree No 445 of 16 August 1989, in the light of what is laid out in Law No 7.173 of 14 December 1983 and Decree No 98 of 14 April 2000 by the Ministry of the Environment, and considering what appears in Case No 02001.003121/00-10, HAS ADOPTED THIS REGULATION:
Chapter I - Initial Arrangements
Article 1. For the purposes of the maintenance, whilst in captivity, of the species of aquatic mammals defined in Articles 7 and 8 of this Regulation, the relevant businesses and institutions shall comply with the obligations fixed in Decree No 98 of 14 April 2000 by the Ministry of the Environment, and those in this current Regulation, without prejudice to other laws:
I - Have a technical team, contracted over the long term, which comprises of at least one biologist or marine science professional, one veterinary surgeon and assistants, all with proven experience in the handling of aquatic mammals;
II - Have adequate facilities for the maintenance and feeding of the animals;
III - Have, in the list of employees, those who deal with security;
IV - Keep, in each enclosure that will be visited by the public, an information plaque where it is stated, at the very least, the common and scientific names of the species in that enclosure, where in the world they are found, and an indication, whenever it is the case, that they are an endangered species;
V - Have toilet facilities and drinking fountains for public use;
VI - Demonstrate that there are sufficient funds to guarantee the installation and maintenance of the facilities;
VII - Keep registration records, which should be in the form of individual documents for each animal;
VIII - Arrange administrative support compatible with the activities already in place;
IX - Maintain laboratories for clinical analyses, or have agreements with other laboratories for that purpose;
X - Install a veterinary outpatient department;
XI - Have equipment that facilitates the handling, immobilisation and transport of the animals;
XII - Develop educational programmes; and
XIII - Have a library containing specialised literature.
Article 2. For the implementation of this Regulation, take into consideration:
I - Dry Area - an area of land, in square metres, next to the pool area, aimed at the free movement of the animals between the aquatic and land environments;
II - Respite area - a confined area which provides different types of handling and a retreat from the animals in the enclosure;
III - Minimum Horizontal Distance (MHD) - the minimum horizontal distance in metres, measured between the two closest ends of a pool intended for the maintenance of aquatic mammals.
IV - Permanent maintenance - maintenance of animals for a long period of time in licensed establishments that provide for the well being of the animals, carrying out recognised programmes of reproduction, education and research.
V - Maternity - a quiet, confined area aimed at lodging females and their new-born calves and / or those that are pregnant. It shall have a solarium.
VI - Minimum Depth (MD) - the minimum distance in metres from the surface of the water to the bottom of the pool.
VII - Quarantine - a period in which the animals who have recently arrived at the institution go through a process of isolation and observation before being integrated into the group.
VIII - Quarantine area - an area intended to hold animals that have recently arrived while they are being observed. This is before they are integrated into the group.
IX - Rehabilitation - a period in which the animal remains under intensive veterinary care, aimed at its release or housing in a suitable place.
X - Enclosure - a physically restricted space used to house aquatic mammals in captivity.
XI - Overflow area - group of enclosures and installations intended for the maintenance of surplus animals and those that are waiting to be transferred elsewhere. They are off limits to the public.
XII - Bodily Size (BS) - the full length of the animal, whether a Cetacea, Sirenia, Pinipedia, or Mustelidae, measured in metres and in a straight line, according to the rules described for each species.
XIII - Minimum Volume (MV) - volume, in metres cubed, necessary for keeping up to two animals in captivity.
XIV - Additional Minimum Volume (AV) - volume, in metres cubed, added to the Minimum Volume for each additional animal.
Article 3. The businesses and institutions that wish to look after aquatic mammals in enclosures constructed in natural surroundings such as creeks, rivers or estuaries shall obey the rules established in this Regulation and respect the biology-related aspects of the species in question. This is the case regardless of whether the animals will be at the centre permanently, or just in the short term.
Chapter II - Permanent Maintenance
Article 4. The businesses and institutions that are qualified for the permanent maintenance of aquatic mammals in captivity shall guarantee the development of programmes of education, research and reproduction, paying attention to the following directives:
I - House the animals in conditions that satisfy their biological needs, providing the species with enrichment of their enclosures and maintaining a level of excellence in animal handling through established programmes of preventative medicine, veterinary care, and nutrition;
II - Have available an emergency electricity supply, which is necessary for the adequate functioning of the enclosures. Also, have sufficient water reservoirs to be able to fully supply all the pools;
III - Have a group of enclosures which include, at the very least, a pool in the main enclosure, a pool for animals in quarantine and a pool in the overflow area. In the case of Pinipedia and Mustelidae there must also be a dry area. These should all comply with the special requirements of each species;
IV - Have a specific area for rehabilitation, taking care to comply with the requisites set out in this Regulation. It will be forbidden for the animals in this area to come into contact with those in the rest of the institution, except when justified by the Veterinary Surgeon;
V - Guarantee that the enclosures for the maintenance of aquatic mammals are intended exclusively for them and will not be used for other purposes;
VI - Submit all the installations to a permanent programme of maintenance;
VII - Prevent an animal from escaping at all costs. This is to avoid their species becoming endangered or contaminated by diseases specific to captivity;
VIII - Keep all documentation relevant to the handling of animals up to date and available for consultation;
IX - Guarantee that if the centre was to close down the animals would be transferred in advance and in appropriate conditions;
X - Participate in research concerning the conservation of aquatic mammals;
XI - Cooperate in the research and conservation in situ of Brazilian species of aquatic mammals, providing financial or logistical support.
Chapter III - Temporary maintenance and Rehabilitation
Article 5. The businesses and institutions which are qualified to temporarily keep Brazilian aquatic mammals in captivity, with the aim of rehabilitating them and reintroducing them into their natural habitats, shall comply with the following directives:
I - Animals which are rescued after being accidentally caught in fishing nets, run aground on the beach, contaminated by oil or found in any other situation that suggests the need for Veterinary Care, shall only be taken to an institution capable of carrying out their rehabilitation if it is deemed to be impossible to do it in situ;
II - The rehabilitated animals should be reintroduced into their natural habitats as soon as they reach a good state of health and are capable of feeding themselves.
III - The reintroduction shall be carried out by means of a plan of reintroduction, taking into consideration the geographical distribution of the species in question;
IV - The need to prolong veterinary treatment shall be justified in a report by the Veterinary Surgeon;
V - The enclosures intended for the rehabilitation of Cetacea, Sirenia and Pinipedia shall have, as a minimum, the dimensions shown in the table under Article 7 "b", and the table in Article 8 in the case of Mustelidae.
VI - The animals may be kept in natural surroundings, as long as the environmental variations of the site do not cause discomfort nor threaten the health of the individuals;
VII - The businesses and institutions that keep animals in natural surroundings must comply with item "V" of this article and provide systems that allow for the animals to be handled and observed, without causing them excessive stress;
VIII - Rehabilitation programmes shall include the following basic directives:
a) Physical examination of the animals, including clinical and laboratory examinations;
b) Veterinary treatment for the prophylaxis of ectoparasites and endoparasites and other preventative or therapeutic procedures;
c) Adaptation of diets, including food supplements, if necessary;
d) Permanent observation of the behaviour of the animals.
IX - The animals must initially be kept in temperatures similar to which they are accustomed, being gradually acclimatised to other conditions, according to their biology;
X - Sick animals shall be kept far from any source of stress, whether it is the presence of people besides those on the rehabilitation team, noise or excessive heat, among others:
Supplementary Paragraph. All the species of aquatic mammals that are native to Brazil can be temporarily kept in captivity, with the aim of rehabilitation and reintroduction into their natural habitats.
Chapter IV - The Installations
Article 6. The businesses and institutions which keep aquatic mammals must obey the following demands:
I - All the superficial structures in the enclosures must be constructed from durable, non porous, non toxic materials that are impermeable, to ease cleaning and disinfection;
II - The edges of all the enclosures shall be rounded so that the animals can support themselves or slide around without the risk of suffering from a friction wound when their bodies come into contact with the edge of the enclosure;
III - The enclosures must provide security for the animals, staff and the visiting public. They shall have physical barriers of a set minimum distance that protect the animals from interference by the public;
IV - The structure and location of the enclosures must be such as to minimise the effect on the animals of excessive noise and any other causes of stress;
V - The enclosures intended for quarantine and rehabilitation shall be separate from the other pool complexes, and their equipment (filters, pumps and thermostats) must be individualised and operated separately;
VI - All the enclosures shall have adequate facilities for the drainage, filtration and circulation of the water;
VII - The pools in the overflow area may be connected to the main pool, through a system that allows draining, whenever necessary;
VIII - All the enclosures must have, whenever necessary, a system to control the water temperature, in accordance with the biological requirements of the species;
IX - The enclosures shall be ventilated, illuminated by natural light and contain both shady and exposed areas, depending on the species. In the case of covered areas, these must have a minimum height of 3m (three metres) above the level of the water.
Chapter V - The Dimensions of the Enclosures for each Species
Article 7. The rules for the dimensions of the main enclosures intended for the Cetacea, Pinipedia and Sirenia species that may be permanently kept in captivity are described below.
SPECIES BODILY
SIZE
(M) MINIMUM
HORIZONTAL
DISTANCE
(M) MIN.
DEPTH
(M) MINIMUM VOLUME FOR UP TO 2 ANIMALS (M³) VOLUME PER ADDITIONAL ANIMAL (M³) DRY AREA PER ANIMAL (M²) DRY AREA PER ADDITIONAL ANIMAL
(M²)
Tursiops truncatus 3.5 14.0 6.0 1600 400 - -
Delphinapterus leucas 3.5 14.0 7.0 1600 400 - -
Trichechus manatus 3.5 14.0 4.0 700 50 - -
Trichechus inunguis 2.5 14.0 3.0 700 30 - -
Inia geoffrensis 2.5 14.0 4.0 1300 200 - -
Odobenus rosmarus 3.5 14.0 4.0 350 200 50 16
Mirounga sp. 4.0 10.0 4.0 350 200 50 16
Arctocephalus sp. 2.0 8.0 2.0 250 100 16 4.0
Otaria sp. 2.5 8.0 2.0 250 100 16 4.0
Phoca vitulina 2.0 8.0 2.0 250 100 16 4.0
Zalophus californianus 2.5 8.0 2.0 250 100 16 4.0
Callorhinus ursinus 2.0 8.0 2.0 250 100 16 4.0
Halichoerus grypus 2.5 8.0 2.0 250 100 16 4.0
Eumetopias jubatus 3.0 8.0 4.0 250 100 16 4.0
Phoca hispida 1.5 8.0 2.0 250 250 16 4.0
Phoca sibirica 2.0 8.0 2.0 100 100 16 4.0
Cystophora cristata 2.5 8.0 2.0 250 100 16 4.0
§ 1. The pool dimensions shall comply with the minimum measurements set out in the unchanging table at the "caput" of this article.
§ 2. The list of all the species that can be authorised to be kept in captivity may be altered after technical evaluation by the licensed institution, heard by the Management for Fauna and Fishing, the National Centre for Research, Conservation and Handling of Aquatic Mammals, and the Group for Special Work with Aquatic Mammals.
§ 3. The dimensions of the enclosures for new species must comply with the dimensions for authorised species of a similar bodily size, in accordance with the table above.
a) The pool in the main enclosure shall comprise of a circle with a diameter equal to the minimum horizontal distance for each species, regardless of their shape. This calculation must not include structures, such as islands, which may exist inside the enclosures. As long as the minimum distances have been complied with, areas of varying depth may be added;
b) Pools for rehabilitation must contain the minimum dimensions set out in the table below:
SPECIES BODILY SIZE (M) MINIMUM HORIZONTAL DISTANCE (M) MINIMUM DEPTH (M) MINIMUM VOLUME PER ANIMAL (M³) VOLUME PER EACH ADDITIONAL ANIMAL (M³) DRY AREA (M²)
Small Cetacea Up to 3.5 6.0 2.0 1200 200 -
Big Cetacea > 3.5 10.0 2.5 3000 800 -
Sirenia Up to 3.0 8.0 2.0 100 30 -
Pinipedia Up to 4.0 5.0 2.0 275 150 20
c) Pools in the quarantine, respite, and overflow areas are additional resources and shall not be subjected to the minimum spatial requirements of those in the main and rehabilitation areas.
Article 8. The rules for the dimensions and characteristics of the enclosures intended for the maintenance of Mustelidae are as set out in the table below:
TYPE AREA (M²) NUMBER OF INDIVIDUALS TANK RESPITE AREA (M²) MATERNITY AREA (M²) SPECIFICATIONS
Lutra 40 Family group Area: 60% of the enclosure. Depth 1.5m. 2 2.0m² with a tank of 1.0m². A floor of earth on resistant material, suitable for the construction of burrows.
Pteronura 120 Family group 60% of the enclosure. Depth 2.0m. 3 3.0m² with a tank of 1.0m². Depth 0.80m. A floor of earth on resistant material, suitable for the construction of burrows.
Enhydra 40 Family group 60% of the enclosure. Depth 1.5m. 4 2.0m² with a tank of 1.0m². Depth 0.80m. Marine animal. Specifications are for a tank of salty water.
Supplementary Paragraph. In all cases, for the maintenance of Mustelidae security level II shall be offered. This states that animals must be captured before the assistant enters.
Chapter VI - Handling of the Animals
Article 9. For the handling of aquatic mammals kept in captivity, the criteria set out below shall be obeyed:
I - Handling of the animals must be carried out in a careful way, avoiding causing discomfort and physical and psychological damage;
II - Handling of the animals may only be carried out by specialised and experienced people, supervised by the competent professional technician;
III - Only compatible species and individuals can be put in the same enclosure;
IV - The technicians responsible for the animals shall observe and detect signs of incompatibility among them, especially amongst the youngest, relocating them whenever necessary;
V - No individual may be isolated, except for technical reasons;
VI - Special care must be given to females who are pregnant or breastfeeding, and their young;
VII - Young that are breastfeeding can not be separated from their mothers, except under express indication from the Veterinary Surgeon:
VIII - The animals shall have access to the biggest aquatic space possible, for at least 90% of the day;
IX - The enclosures may be enriched, in accordance with the species in question, with characteristic elements of their habitats such as burrows, seaweed, rocks, natural coverings, fish and other resources compatible with the normal behaviour patterns of the animal;
X - No natural or artificial object that could interfere with the well-being of the animals may be kept inside the enclosures;
XI - The animals may be able to help with the handling routine, including necessary veterinary care and scientific research, as long as it is under the direct supervision of professionals from the technical team:
XII - No aquatic mammal in rehabilitation must be exposed to the public until their rehabilitation programme is over;
XIII - When there is a genealogical record book ("studbook"), the institution is obliged to contribute necessary information to maintain the records.
XIV - Tests on the animals for the detection of pathogenic micro organisms will be carried out routinely, in accordance with the programme established by the Veterinary Surgeon.
Chapter VII - The Quality of the Water
Article 10. As regards the quality of the water in the enclosures, the following directives shall be obeyed:
I - The institutions and businesses must maintain a constant routine of monitoring the quality of the water.
II - The institutions and businesses shall have people trained in the handling of the test equipment. They shall also know what action to take in case of an emergency.
III - The pools must be tested separately, even if they are connected and operate together.
IV - In the pools where the water receives chemical treatment, the products shall be added in such a way that will not cause discomfort or harm to the animals.
V - The filters must be permanently monitored in order to detect pathogenic organisms.
VI - The pools shall have filtration systems that prevent contamination among them.
VII - Whenever animals are kept in natural surroundings, the quality of the water at the site must be compatible with the species in question, and it must be routinely monitored, as set out in § 1 of this Article.
§ 1. The water shall go through chemical treatments, filtration or other processes that uphold the following quality standards:
a) The maximum level of bacteria must be 250 MPN (Most Probable Number) per 100ml of water for faecal bacteria or 1250 MPN per 100ml of water for total bacteria;
b) The pH of all the pools shall be kept between 7.2 - 8.4;
c) For the marine species of Cetacea, Sirenia and Pinipedia the salt concentration in the water must be maintained respecting the specific biological requisites, having as minimum and maximum values 20 and 36g/litre respectively;
d) For the clear water species, the parameters shall be adequate to bathe in, according to what is written in the CONAMA Resolution No 20 of 18 June 1986;
e) The temperature of the water shall vary between 10 - 28°C, in accordance with the biology of the species, avoiding rapid changes in the temperature of the water;
f) When chlorine is used in the water, the dose must not exceed 0.5mg/l (milligram's per litre).
g) There must be no phenol in the water in the enclosures.
§ 2. The analyses of bacteria, dissolved oxygen (DO), biochemical demand for oxygen (BDO), levels of chlorine, and nitrogenous compounds in the water shall be carried out at least once a week, recording the date, time and place of collection.
§ 3. The analyses of dissolved oxygen, salt concentration, cloudiness, pH and temperature of the water must be carried out at least twice a day, recording the time and place of collection.
§ 4. The methods for collecting and analysing the water must be those specified in the rules approved by the National Institute of Metrology, Normalisation and Industrial Quality (INMETRO) or, in the absence of those, the Standard Methods for the Examination of Water and Wastewater APHA-AWWA-WPCF, last edition, Article 12. The amount of phenol shall be determined according to method 510 B of the Standard Methods for the Examination of Water and Wastewater, 16th edition, 1985.
§ 5. The rate of circulation in a closed filtration system must reach, at the very least, a complete recirculation every 12 hours.
§ 6. The Inspection Authority can ask for a verification of these and other parameters at any time.
Chapter VIII - Hygiene and Sanitary Aspects
Article 11. The following rules shall be adhered to regarding hygiene and sanitary aspects in the working areas, enclosures and other installations:
I - The Veterinary Surgeon must be in charge of disinfecting the installations and equipment used for the maintenance of the animals, being responsible for these procedures and accountable for accidental flaws in the administrative, civil or penal side of things;
II - All the waste (left over food, faeces, etc.) shall be removed from the enclosures daily;
III - The walls and floors of the enclosures must remain clean;
IV - All the utensils used in the preparation and distribution of food shall be cleaned after use;
V - The kitchen and food handling areas must be used exclusively for that purpose, and must be washed daily with cleaning products;
VI - The substances used for disinfecting the equipment and installations shall be stored in a safe place, out of reach of the animals.
VII - Domestic animals will not be allowed in the installations intended for aquatic mammals;
VIII - Insects must be avoided and combated under the supervision of the Veterinary Surgeon;
IX - The institution shall have specific areas for disinfecting staff and the equipment used by them to avoid diseases from spreading among the animals;
X - The enclosures that house animals with infectious or contagious diseases must be rigorously disinfected before any other animal is put there;
XI - Any residues from post-mortem examinations and products from the outpatient department shall be adequately stored and disposed of;
XII - All left over food must be disposed of in a proper and hygienic away, avoiding contamination of the site, odours and the presence of insects, rodents and domestic animals.
Chapter IX - Nutrition-Related Aspects
Article 12. As regards the feeding of animals kept in captivity, the following rules shall be obeyed:
I - All food must be suitable for the biology of the species, free from contamination and offered daily in sufficient quantities and of adequate nutritional value to ensure the health of the individual;
II - The supplying of nutritional supplements and/or the implementation of alternative or exceptional diets shall be justified and supervised by the institution's Veterinary Surgeon;
III - Perishable food stuffs must be stored in refrigerators and kept away from any contamination;
IV - Fresh food which is subsequently frozen by the institution shall not be kept for more than 6 (six) months;
V - All frozen food must be stored hygienically and labelled with a best before date;
VI - Food shall be offered to the animals at least twice a day, unless on express indication of the Veterinary Surgeon;
VII - The visiting public will be forbidden to feed the animals;
VIII - Carnivorous animals must get used to feeding themselves on various types of fish and other aquatic organisms;
IX - Frozen food shall be defrosted naturally, whenever possible. It shall be stored in refrigerators or polystyrene boxes and must be offered to the animals in a maximum period of 24 (twenty four) hours after being defrosted;
X - The carcasses of dead animals must not, under any circumstances, be stored along side food stuffs;
Chapter X - Veterinary Care
Article 13. The following rules should be adhered to regarding the veterinary care needed for the functioning of the establishment:
I - The development of a programme of measures for the prevention and control of illnesses among aquatic mammals, including daily observation of the animals in accordance with specific protocol;
II - The development of a programme of attendance, with individual biometries and the carrying out of routine laboratory examinations;
III - Autopsies shall be carried out on all animals that die whilst in captivity. A report on the autopsy shall be drawn up, which should state the disease suffered and the cause of death. If the macroscopic examination was not conclusive, the necessary equipment must be used to analyse the disease;
IV - Painkillers, tranquilisers, antibiotics, any drug or agent able to destroy or expel intestinal worms, or any other medication must always be used under the responsibility of the Veterinary Surgeon;
V - Medication used for the treatment of animals shall be stored in a safe place.
Chapter XI - Records
Article 14. The businesses and institutions shall keep permanent and individual records of all their animals, in a way that allows quick access to the data.
§ 1. The records will be available for consultation by the competent authorities.
§ 2. Animals which are transferred from one institution to another must be accompanied by their records, and a copy shall remain in the original institution.
§ 3. The records must contain the following information:
I - Individual Record of the animal:
a) Correct identification, including the scientific name, common name, individual names and identification number (system of electronic marking);
b) Origin, date of acquisition and details of where the animal came from;
c) Estimated date of birth;
d) Sex;
e) All distinctive markings;
f) Photographic record of the animal:
g) The enclosure in which the animal is being kept, with details of transfers to other enclosures whenever they occur;
h) Clinical data, dates and the type of any treatment received, continual records of the health of each animal;
i) Type and quantity of food offered;
j) Growth and development of each animal;
k) Behaviour and social status, including conflicts and incompatibilities, records of abnormal behaviour;
l) Reproduction and details about offspring;
m) Date of death and results of the autopsy.
n) Date and place of reintroduction (in the case of individuals native to the fauna who went through a process of rehabilitation and release).
II - Records on the enclosures:
a) Any maintenance carried out or required;
b) All the measures taken for the control of parasites;
c) The members of staff and the competent technician;
d) Results of tests carried out on the quality of the water, including the parameters described in Article 12, § 2, 3 and 4 for each pool;
III - General records on all the animals:
a) Common and scientific names of all the species of aquatic mammals which are at the institution;
b) Total number of specimens, per species, that are being kept in the institution on the 1st January and 31st December of each year;
c) Number of specimens, per species, that were incorporated into the institution during the course of the year, and how they were acquired (rescued, bought, transferred, etc.)
d) Number of births, per species, that have taken place in the institution during the course of the year;
e) Number of deaths, per species, that have taken place in the institution during the course of the year;
f) Number of reintroductions, transfers and escapes, per species, which have taken place in the institution during the course of the year;
g) Other relevant information.
Chapter XIII - Education
Article 15. Education must be a relevant component in all aspects that involve animals, observing the following criteria:
I - The technical team in charge of education shall have proven experience in biology and the conservation of aquatic mammals;
II - A competent technician must be available to manage the educational programmes;
III - The educational programme for visitors and school groups shall be based on the biology, ecology and conservation of aquatic mammals in the wild, with special emphasis on the species native to Brazil and South America, making sure the content of the programme corresponds with the level of schooling of the target audience;
IV - The businesses and institutions must provide free educational programmes for state schools;
V - At the very least, audio and video resources, guided visits and specific publications on aquatic mammals shall be available;
VI - Using the methods cited above, the education team must make the following information available to the visiting public:
a) Zoological and taxonomical characteristics;
b) How the animals have adapted morphologically, physiologically and behaviour-wise to their habitats;
c) Distribution and abundance of aquatic mammals both in Brazil and the world;
d) Ecological relationship between the species, predators, parasites, etc.
e) Relevant characteristics of each species and their behaviour patterns;
f) The degree of conservation, the main threats and the ways to ensure long-term survival for each species;
VII - Any demonstrations shall be based exclusively on the natural behaviour of the animals, and the public shall be given relevant information on the biology of the species and their behaviour in their natural habitats.
XIV - Research
Article 16. Research shall be carried out in accordance with the following directives:
I - The businesses and institutions must establish programmes, incorporating behaviour, social relationships, reproduction, feeding, changes to how the water is treated and health;
II - All lethal research will be forbidden;
III - The businesses and institutions shall stimulate exchanges with universities, centres of research and correlative institutions, and students and technicians from other institutions, as well as cooperating to ensure that they are carried out in a proper manner;
IV - The businesses and institutions must ensure that all biological material obtained, including that which is collected pos mortem, plays a significant role in the development of research projects or is used for educational purposes;
V - The data available shall be presented in publications and at national and international conferences;
VI - The businesses and institutions must have staff that are responsible for developing the main research programmes;
VII - The businesses and institutions shall promote and encourage the implementation of programmes aimed at retaining and increasing the knowledge of the technical staff;
VIII - The businesses and institutions must contribute to and cooperate with projects and studies carried out on aquatic mammals in the wild, aimed at increasing knowledge about their species and distribution in order to aid the conservation of the species;
IX - The businesses and institutions shall lend logistic and financial help to local networks that deal with difficulties in this field, and for the rehabilitation of the animals;
X - Observe the restrictions on access to genetic resources.
Chapter XV - Transport
Article 17. As regards the transportation of the animals, the following requisites must be observed:
I - The animals shall be transported in suitable conditions, under the responsibility of the Veterinary Surgeon;
II - Pregnant females may not be transported, except under recommendation of the Veterinary Surgeon;
III - Provisions must be made in case of the need for Veterinary Care whilst an animal is in transit. The animal must not be submitted to greater discomfort due to things being overlooked;
IV - The animals shall be transported individually, in a safe and hygienic way, with good quality air and in spaces which are big enough to allow the animal to keep their body in the natural position, without suffering from any injuries. Special attention must be given to make sure that nothing can block the respiratory orifice and the free movement of the fins;
V - The animals shall be kept in a cool environment with clear or salty water, depending on the species, for the whole of the time that they are in transit;
VI - All the items used for transporting the animals must be identified externally with waterproof labels, indicating "live animals" as the load, and the correct destination;
VII - In the cases of rescue and relocation the people responsible shall be properly licensed by IBAMA.
Chapter XVI - Monitoring, Control and Inspection
Article 18. The control and inspection of this Regulation will be the responsibility of the specialised IBAMA unit.
Article 19. The implementation of any monitoring and technical visits will be the responsibility of the National Centre for Research, Conservation and Handling of Aquatic Mammals and the IBAMA Representatives in the State where the undertaking was installed.
Article 20. The businesses and institutions shall present an annual report to IBAMA, which should always contain all the relevant information concerning the number of animals which have come and gone, the number of births, escapes, deaths, and autopsies carried out, what any biological equipment is being used for, as well as research and cultural activities carried out during the year.
§ 1. Any work which has been carried out must be accounted for, whether it was renovation of the installations, or expansion of them.
§ 2. The businesses and institutions shall submit a Work Plan to IBAMA for the following year.
Article 21. IBAMA can, at any time, decide to inspect the establishments that keep aquatic mammals in captivity, as well as biological examinations on the animals, aimed at the fulfilment of this Regulation and other relevant legislation.
Chapter XVII - Final Arrangements
Article 22. The businesses and institutions that are currently keeping aquatic mammals in captivity will have 1 (one) year to adapt to this current Regulation.
Article 23. For the implementation of the measures stated in this Regulation, all appropriate legislation will apply, especially:
I - Law No 5.197, of 3 January 1967;
II - Law No 7.173, of 14 December 1983;
III - Law No 9.605, of 12 February 1998;
IV - Edict No 3.179, of 21 September 1999;
V - Provisional Measure No 2.186-14, of 26 June 2001;
VI - CONAMA Resolution No 20, of 18 June 1986;
VII - CONAMA Resolution No 237, of 19 December 1997;
VIII - MMA Decree No 98, of 14 April 2000;
IX - IBAMA Decree No 332, of 13 March 1990;
X - IBAMA Regulation No 03, of 15 April 1999;
XI - IBAMA Regulation No 02, of 2 March 2001;
Article 24. This Regulation takes effect from the date of its publication, cancelling the effect of any opposing documents.
HAMILTON NOBRE CASARA
President
(Published in the Union's Official Diary, 13 February 2002)
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I'm so very, very happy! Well done Dolphin Angels for what you've achieved xx
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Well done Angels and all the supporters who have joined together with one voice, its wonderful and encouraging to see events unfold, keep up the good work, you have my total support from me, my family, and friends here in Leeds
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Excellent news today. Can someone clarify if they are still going to be allowing people into view the dolphins for a price or are the doors meant to be closed to the public.
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Wish the Brazilian regulations could be replicated world- wide. You wouldn't see the Russian and his evil associates for dust!
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Well done guys. Let us hope rehabilation is not too far away now.
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Just arrived back in UK having been delayed in airport for 6 hours, was feeling very jaded until I caught up with facebook, now buzzing. Well done to all of us in the group and most importantly well done Dolphin Angels, so proud of you and your achievements so far. :):D
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For anyone who has access to the British "MORE 4" channel or maybe on your p.c with i-player, they will be airing "The Cove" on Tuesday at 22.00 (GMT)
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I chatted with the DAs last night and felt like Id met major celebreties! Cant express how fab they are, truly inspirational people.
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This campaign to rescue these two wonderful creaturs imprisoned by human greed, for the entertaiment of the mindless, in conditions that are truly shameful, would not have been possible without the total support of you all.
But now is a difficult time and the story has not yet reachd its happy conclusion.
Please would you all remain vigilant.
Report any suspicious activites at once.
Report any tourist activity
We need to be totally aware of what happens at the pool.
as always we, Misha and Tom thank you
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just asked Focus in Calis and they said they are selling swimming with dolphins......
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Have just heard that a stall is being set up in Hisaronu near Azda advertising dolphin swim and Mr Russian was actually stood there supervising this !!!!!
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Originally posted by kayakebab
just asked Focus in Calis and they said they are selling swimming with dolphins......
Hope you don't mind but I am going to put that on facebook. A member there got an email from Focus to tell her they did NOT sell trips.
Well done Kayakebab:D
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Still open today
AND reports of a sales booth opening by AZDA
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Can a booth be set up advertising the dangers? Or folk handing out leaflets? Or bomb the B*****d????????????
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yep, I have just seen the stand. Lots of Pictures of tom and misha and a tv screen on top of the stand. This wasn't turned on. No signage to say what they are advertising wether it is swim with or shows. They looked like they were still setting up. I'm really angry
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talk about cocking a snoot!!!really annoyed at all this,after yesterdays directives-has anybody reported to zabita yet?could nobody hang around near the pool looking for WET people leaving?condemned signs not welcome signs should be displayed surely????
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We must be doing something right everybody! It is even going to be discussed in the House of Parliament!! Well done Bob Russell!!
http://edmi.parliament.uk/edmi/EDMDetails.aspx?EDMID=41360&SESSION=905
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hi Heather. thats fine, although Focus in Olu Deniz say they arent selling
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Originally posted by cheers
We must be doing something right everybody! It is even going to be discussed in the House of Parliament!! Well done Bob Russell!!
http://edmi.parliament.uk/edmi/EDMDetails.aspx?EDMID=41360&SESSION=905
Sorry Cheers I don't think it wil be discussed. Read this link and see what you think.. I hope I am wrong
http://edmi.parliament.uk/EDMi/Default.aspx
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sorry cheers...it wont be debated...edm`s arnt debated...its just a motion.
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Film was running on a laptop at about 9pm this evening. It will obviously catch many peoples eye. Seems this guy will stop at nothing to get his own way:-\
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Even breaking the law???????
Was there much interest?
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At least its made it somewhere!! We never thought for one minute we could have achieved what we have already!! This may only be a motion but if we all use the same enthusiasm bombarding our locaL MP's, Gov officials etc. who knows!!!!
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damn.ive just sent the longest e.mail youve ever seen to bob russell.
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And I've sent one just now to one of Mr Russells supporters,Graham Stringer who is a well-known MP in an area near me. Anything they can do is a bonus.
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A personal plea - I understand how upset and frustrated people in the UK feel at times, but please always remember that the folks in Turkey who are fighting this, are in all probability, doing so at a tangible personal risk to themselves and we should always remember that.
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Check out Bob Russell and maybe even add him to your Facebook list :D
http://www.bobrussell.org.uk/
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Originally posted by cheers
At least its made it somewhere!! We never thought for one minute we could have achieved what we have already!! This may only be a motion but if we all use the same enthusiasm bombarding our locaL MP's, Gov officials etc. who knows!!!!
Can I add MEPs to that list.
I have just emailed the 6 Scottish ones.
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Hi, as I work in Hisaronu, I really don't want to be identified, so set this account up.
My thoughts on the latest are:-
If Azda is now allowing the Russian to advertise outside the store, and on their property then why not start Boycotting Azda, Ricco Burger and the Shanghai Blues restaurant. These are all owned by Azda, as is the Grove Hotel, previously 'The Nicholas Grove' owned by the Yilmaz Family.
I will pop up to Azda later and see if I can see where the stall is and if it is on Council land or Azda's
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It will be Monday/Tuesday before we see any results of the Directive being enforced.
The Directive was first sent by fax and the paper copy couriered.
The Belediye can only delay for so long.... on Monday phones will be ringing and people's responsibilities made clear
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.We understand the frustration of everyone but the pools days are numbered!
Perhaps now is the time for everyone with a T shirt in Hisaronu to fetch it out from the cupboard. That will be our form of quiet and legal advertising.
We believe there are laws regarding street vendors and licensing, we are checking this out.
However the letter has been signed off and sent, the water is unfit for public to enter and as a consequence that pool must be closed to the public.
We are pursuing the implementation of this order.
Everyone be vigilant, report everything and especially any suspicious activitiy at the pool. We do follow every reporting
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Re the Early Day Motion - this came about when Susan Brookes the Office Manager for Bob Russell MP came to a certain Fethiye restaurant and was filled in on the developments in Hisaronu.
True to her word she went back and raised this with Bob and she e mailed me a couple of days ago with the news of the EDM. She apologised for the work placement researcher getting the location wrong.
"It was a little rushed as we were aware that the Turkish President was visiting London last week and wished to coincide with this".
So a big thanks to Susan and Bob.
Everyone can write to their MP and also ask them to put their signature to the early day motion and perhaps just mention the actual location and suggest they read the Facebook group.
Link to the EDM
http://edmi.parliament.uk/edmi/EDMDetails.aspx?EDMID=41360&SESSION=905
Brians link is very helpful - ammendments can be made and added and it really would be worth using this as a vehicle to get more interest in this topic in the UK.
Do all please write to your MP - the more letters received the more likely a response
http://edmi.parliament.uk/EDMi/Default.aspx
How to find out who is your MP
http://findyourmp.parliament.uk/
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thank you for clarifying the situation,we trust in you,and know that you are indeed moving heaven and earth to implement the orders,forgive our impatience,its just that as holidaymakers still there and newly returned to the u.k.report of kiosks,banners,and devil may care attitudes of people at the pool,and we find it hard to cope with,being so far away.we must also bear in mind risks people are taking daily,if wed have done it the british way-many of us would probably have been locked up by now-for inciting a riot!!we must remember the wise comment-softly softly catchee monkey!!
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11am Dolphinarium open, male member of staff sitting by open gates... no sign of the stand outside Adza's yet...
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It was situated in the Main street between the mosque and the Public telephones....where the street artists have their pitches
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so they are still out pimping then??have azda moved them on??and as i asked yesterday-any wet people seen leaving the park???thankfull - for your ears and eyes!!xx
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On March 22nd, on page 5 of this thread, I wrote that if the Mayor of Hisaronu wished for this abortion of a 'Dolphinarium' to go ahead, if would do so. Unfortunately, it seems to me that the mighty, backhand, Turkish Lira is going to prove me correct, & no matter what is being done by the various totally dedicated groups who are trying their best to bring it all to a happy conclusion, I see nothing to change my mind on this. If the appropriate licenses/permissions etc. have not been granted, how the hell else can this be allowed to go any farther??.
I totally agree 100% with 'Highlanders' post, PLEASE be very careful in your endeavours, as, if you are eventually successful in closing this slurry pool down, local people will have been deprived of their chance to make some money. 'Nuff said!!
Power to your elbows, people.
Gordy (Chauvanist Clown??) 8)
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On Friday after being told that they should have received the directive we went up to the hell hole. As we arrived we met a family leaving and after ascertaining that they hadn't swum with the Dolphins we warned them of the dangers. They said they would tell everyone they met of the health implications.
We then went inside posing as tourists and we were offered a swim, look or photo. We were told to come back at 5pm to see 3 UK visitors from the Destan Hotel swim with them and we could for 15 pounds take pictures. Claimed no money and left but went immeadiately to the Destan and told them of the health implications for the guests. They asked the barman to talk to everyone telling them it was unsafe. I hope they found the 3 who had already booked.
At the Destan the young man we spoke to said that he had seen the Zabita at the pool the night before with paper work.
We then went to the Zabita and eventually the head man came to us and said he knew nothing but he waved a photocopy letter in our faces saying when he received the proper letter he would close the pool. I would bet money that the photocopy was the original faxed directive!
We think the DP have been warned about what is about to happen and the Zabita are at the moment turning a blind eye.
We will go back up there on Monday morning to see what the situation is.
If you live in Hisaranou and want to do something please wear your T shirts and talk to people about the fact that it is unsafe for humans to enter the water. Wander around and when people look at your t shirt chat to them.....please always stay in pairs and remain peaceful and dignified.
Fi
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Nice piece of detective work Firo.
I was in Asda in Perth today and started chatting to a lady. She was planning a trip to Turkey so I advised her to go to Hisaronu. Told her about the pool, the facebook group, gave her the site name and asked her to join. Turns out her friend is vegan and into animal rights I expect another few to join FB soon.:D
Spread the word whenever you can 8)
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I SALUTE YOU FIRO.
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After 6 days finally got internet back!! withdrawal systems.
Well done F & E. But, of course, we all know who employs the Zabita.
On page 158 Tinkerman mentioned fundraising. It will cost a lot of money to rehab Tom and Misha. Anyone with quirky, sensible, brilliant ideas on fundraising please speak up. Any ideas considered.
I go to an art class where we all painted pictures of Dolphins and it has been suggested that they be sold to raise funds. Some of the paintings are beautiful, contact the DA's to see if an exhibition can be organised if you would like to buy/contribute to the funds.
Just off the cuff, I spotted a chap wearing a Focus Tours shirt going into Hamish McT. Made me wonder if he (H. McT) owns/is connected with with Focus? Bet he is. Can anyone find out?
This is going to be a long hard slog, I'm still amazed that so many people have pulled together and there is so much support. It's fantastic what can be achieved if people stick together and say 'NO'.
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They must be panicking. The place is closing and they have been boycotted. Could see some back peddling going on soon.
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Our Face book Poet in Residence has spoke again:
NOW SOMETHINGS JUST OCCURED TO ME-
WHEN OUR BOYS ARE OUT OF THERE-
WELL NEED TO HAVE A WHIP ROUND-
THEY CANT LIVE ON FRESH AIR!!
I HATE TO MENTION MONEY-
BUT WELL HAVE TO FILL THEIR DISH-
THEIR HUNTING SKILLS ARE MINIMAL-
AND YOU KNOW THE PRICE OF FISH!!
WELL GIRLS-IVE WON THE LOTTERY!!!
I WAS DOWN TO MY LAST CENT-
SO IVE PAY PA...LLED THEM MY TENNER-
AND I CALL IT CASH WELL SPENT!!
SO IF YOUVE ANY LIRA LEFT ,
AS YOU UNPACK YOUR CASE-
THERE IS A TOM AND MISHA FUND-
JUST SEND IT TO THAT PLACE!!
Chris 1
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I will go to Yaniklar beach tomorrow, Will wear Dolphin vest and talk to all the Russians Turk and Germans who always come there Earlier these holidaymakers hadnt heard about the dolphins, but now they will be supporting us
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To thee of little faith
All I say is watch this space ;)
Fantastic fundraising events coming up
More news on what and when next week.
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There are nearly 18,000 people on FB who have faith! Most of the people on CBF have faith!
We are all watching this space!!
:D:D:D
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I've just come into this site and there is an advert for swimming with dolphins in Vallarta - is there anyway that we can get rid of that google advert on this site? It looks like those 2 dolphins are also housed in a pool. I can through a cached page on 153 and got the advert but it's not showing on this particular page.
It's a small thing and something not controlled by CBF, but if new people are coming to these pages it would be great if they didn't have to see that ad.
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Email Scunner he will take it off. He needs the link in order to do so.
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Scunner I have emailed you - I just had one for Zoomarine in portugal - have emailed the link
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Dolphin Swim in Vallarta
Enjoy Dolphin Swim Tour in Vallarta Save More than 20% with GrayLine
www.graylinevallarta.com/dolphin
this is the ad which appears
ETA - have emailed Scunner to let him know about it.
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Hi Vixter73, if you see an add like that, please click on it and copy the link, then email the link to Scunner, he will then be able to block it. I see them pop up regularly as well, I think even when they're blocked, the do find their way back sometimes.. unfortunately... thanks!
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The stall was still there last night outside the mosque, with a video playing and a board stating "swim with Misha and Tom". I took a couple of photos and reported it to the Zabita who told me that unless he offered to sell me a ticket or I actually bought a ticket then he wasn't doing anything illegal and there was nothing that they could do. Obviously I couldn't then enquire about tickets as he had seen me taking photos, but if somebody is willing to enquire and obtain evidence that they are selling tickets to swim with Tom and Misha and could show that evidence to the Zabita perhaps they may do something!
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Some 2nd and 3rd hand info:
Apparently yesterday evening a guy called Savaş from the Dolphinarium came to our office and told someone I work with, that
'we want to put the Dolphins in the sea, but we can't because they have been eating dead fish for 7 years and would'nt survive'.
A very nice Austrian Girl called Christine was also present, she is a Marine Bioligist working with the Caretta Turtles in Calis etc., she says this is not true, Dolphins are very adaptable and can be re-introduced into the wild quite easily. I have an email address for Christine, or somebody from Calis may know her. Christine also said, she is trying to organise a hand written rather than internet petition as many people in Calis want to sign something while on holiday and have no internet access.
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Iwould like to be able to sign a paper format petition. I had emailed all relevent persons and I emailed the mayor of London as a lot of Londonders are of Turkish rigin also himself. My first reply is that it did not concern the Mayor and a full page on what the Mayor of London does. I replied basically explaining that I am not thick and and aware of what he does and still insist he can talk to the people at the Turkish Embassy. Fingers crossed.: :)
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Originally posted by lindylou42
Iwould like to be able to sign a paper format petition. I had emailed all relevent persons and I emailed the mayor of London as a lot of Londonders are of Turkish rigin also himself. My first reply is that it did not concern the Mayor and a full page on what the Mayor of London does. I replied basically explaining that I am not thick and and aware of what he does and still insist he can talk to the people at the Turkish Embassy. Fingers crossed.: :)
If you go onto facebook and join the FREE THE OLU DENIZ DOLPHINS page - go onto the discussions board and there is a petition there created by Caroline Gillings which you can print off yourself :)
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It looks like we have other Russian businessmen who think nothing of harming animals in promoting greed. This group parasailed a donkey over a beach promoting their business link here http://uk.news.yahoo.com/5/20100720/twl-donkey-is-forced-to-parasail-over-be-3fd0ae9.html:-\
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Man's inhumanity to any living creature never ceases to amaze me! Hope they throw the book at them, Russian b******'s!
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I watched that film "The Cove" as you suggested and was really shocked to hear the allegations that the Japanese government are covering up the fact that Dolphin meat is being sold falsely labelled and contains a high mercury content.How could anyone allow that to happen considering what mercury does to produce disabled children? :o
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Have the notices gone up around the pool stating that you cannot swim with the dolphins?
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We are in Calis at the moment and spoke to some people today who are staying in Hisaronu there were no signs up this morning and there were people swimming with the dolphins. Last night we were in Fethiye and walking along and stopped at the boats Popeye and Olive and spoke to George, he recommended a tour company in Olu Deniz to use I asked him if they did the Dolphin tours and firstly he wouldnt answer me I had to ask three times and eventually he said they didn/t. When we stopped for dinner I looked at the brochure he handed me which was Pioneer Travel but had his name attached and inside they were advertising tours to swim with the dolphins. No guessing what I did with that brochure and have sinced booked our trips with Carole and Tayfun.
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Gutted - I love Popeye and Olive oil but they won't get my business anymore, and I'll tell them so.
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Look out for the follow up article in Thursdays Sun newspaper as long as nothing more pressing crops up to take our space...
Englands not playing again are they ;)
Can someone post the link when it goes on line as we are out all day on urgent Dolphin business, thanks all :)
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Nothing in todays paper:(
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There is unfortunately and it says that Brits are paying £50 a time to swim with them. I'll try and link it if I can find it on line.
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Nope - not on line but in my paper. It reads:
DOLPHIN PLEA (bottom of page 11)
Horrified wildlife campaigners have blasted tourists who pay to swim with two traumatised dolphins. Brits are paying up to £50 for a ten-minute dip with bottlenoses Misha and Tom in an 11m by 22m pool at the shabby attraction in Hisaronu, Turkey.
The park has been heavily citicised since The Sun revealed the plight of the creatures last month. Shirley Galligan, spokeswoman for wildlife charity Born Free said " We urge all tourists to boycott it"
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Just to let everyone know, we are still doing everything we can to get this closure enforced, it has gone quiet on CBF but behind the scenes we are working round the clock with information changing every hour.
Updates as soon as we have something positive and concrete.
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I thought it had gone quiet but knew things would be going on behind the scenes, hope we can save these poor Dolphins.
Got some more donations Andy, will send them tomorrow....will e mail you.
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Never doubted for a minute that you were up to something ;)
meanwhile we keep ourselves amused guessing what it could be: :) ;)
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Saw the article in the Sun on Thursday, its a shame it was right down the bottom left hand corner, but at least they are still reporting on Tom and Misha. Keep up the good work one and all xx
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maybe the dafties who won 7.1 million on the lottery and are going on a cheap holiday bought through the sun would like to bung us the money and we will use it to buy a fish infested lake for Tom and Misha
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Tour agent in Olu Deniz (by the car park - cant remember the name) were selling the dolphin swims yesterday. If they look carefully they will see they are minus an A board this morning !!!!!!! DAs you are all doing a fantastic job. Yavas yavas we will win xx
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Dear Dolphin Angels, it;s not a case of ' Ye of little faith', as you suggest, I simply attempted to point out the blatantly obvious fact that, as long as financial debauchery is allowed to dictate, and greed and avarice rule supreme over there, certain people in powerful positions will most definitely have their way, no matter which world-wide news agencies print the sad saga of these poor, unfortunate creatures!! I still stand by my previous assertion, CORRUPTION RULES!!!!
Take photos of 'Dolphin Swimmers' and publish on here!! Shame the Bast**ds!!!!
On March 22nd, on page 5 of this thread, I wrote that if the Mayor of Hisaronu wished for this abortion of a 'Dolphinarium' to go ahead, if would do so. Unfortunately, it seems to me that the mighty, backhand, Turkish Lira is going to prove me correct, & no matter what is being done by the various totally dedicated groups who are trying their best to bring it all to a happy conclusion, I see nothing to change my mind on this. If the appropriate licenses/permissions etc. have not been granted, how the hell else can this be allowed to go any farther?
Gordy.
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Hi there. After hearing about the plight of the dolphins a few months ago I have been following the threads on this forum. Myself & my husband registered our names on the Born Free Foundation website saying we are against this. Just to let you know that today I emailed the Bridgette Bardot foundation asking for any advice they have & if they would be willing to back this campaign. I will let you know if/when I get a reply. We have been travelling to this area of Turkey for the last 10 years & were appalled to hear about the terrible conditions that Misha & Tom are being kept in. We are back in Turkey in September. Can you tell me where we can get the tshirts & bags from to support this. We will be staying in Kas but could travel to Fethiye if needs be. I was also thinking of handing out flyers on the plane to make people aware of this. Does anyone think this would be a good idea. I am based in the UK but if I can help in any way from over here please let me know.
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Fliers on the plane is a good idea. Someone has done this on a TC flight. They were fine with it after being asked.
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Thanks for the response Heather. I will get something printed out & try to pass it around on the plane. I must admit we have been to Kas twice before & did not know about the dolphinarium there. Would also not have known about the new one in Hisaronu only my brother read about it in The Sun newspaper. The more awareness we can raise about this the better.
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hello suki,have you also joined the facebook site?your comments are very interesting,and id like to see you share them with the group on there also?bridgette bardot came to my mind a few weeks ago,but i got side tracked and didnt get round to it,well done,and i hope you get a reply very soon.
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Hi Chris, yes we have joined the facebook site a few weeks ago when we first heard about this. As soon as I get a reply from the Bridget Bardot foundation I will post the details here. Has anyone thought about offering the bags & t-shirts for sale via ebay. The funds could go straight to the paypal account. I'm sure people would not mind paying extra for the cost of postage. Alternatively maybe someone who is returning to the UK might be willing to bring some back with them & sell these on the charity's behalf.
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Its not always so easy to see the wood for the trees sometimes and it can help to reflect on where we started, what's happened and where we are now.
The first anyone knew about this pool was the Hürriyet article March 11th and actually worth reading again if only to show what a load of old bull it all was.
http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/n.php?n=-2010-03-11
The link was originally posted by Scunner on CBF as topic "Ölüdeniz to get its first Dolphinarium"
{A Link to an old CBF topic was here - no longer available}34365
running to 21 pages and 10,000 hits before it was locked as the current topic took over.
Joanne Davis created the Free the Ölüdeniz Dolphins group on Facebook and now assisted and administered by our very own Cheers and with more than eighteen thousand members!
A very successful campaign has been waged by an ever increasing membership of these forums that have prevented any Turkish Ministry wanting to take responsibility for this situation.
Some of what has been achieved is summed in this letter printed on the Fethiye Times web site to coincide with the Protest March 2nd July.
http://www.fethiyetimes.com/news/44-news/6233-letter-column-committed-to-the-welfare-of-the-hisaroenue-two.html
More to follow, bringing us more up to date and with some new information.
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It is always good on quiet days to stop and reflect on how far we have all come as a group and to remember how much closer we are getting to freeing Misha and Tom. Keep up the good work ALL of us. We are all in for the long haul, i.e. beyond the freeing of our two and the freedom of all dolphins. Thank you Dolphin Angels for leading the way.
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Someone has posted on the Facebook site that "the Russian has done a runner" DA's can you confirm this and what it means?
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Just to let you know that I have also emailed the following in the UK in the hope that they will highlight this story & help raise awareness. I have mentioned this forum for anyone wanting more details & also the Born Free Foundation website which contains the online petition & alsothe link to the facebook campaign.
BBC breakfast news
BBC radio 2 - Sarah Kennedy & Jeremy Vine shows
BBC The One Show
GMTV
Heather Mills
On another note - we are in Kas in September so I sent an enquiry to the car hire/transfer people we have booked casually asking if there was an opportunity to swim with dolpins. If they had said yes I was going to cancel my booking with them. However they came back with the response as follows
'The dolphins were moved from Kas a few months ago. There is talk about getting more but I doubt this will happen by September.'
Has anyone else heard these rumours? The last thing we want to happen is for them to get more dolphins in the Kas dolphinarium.
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Originally posted by Firo
Someone has posted on the Facebook site that "the Russian has done a runner" DA's can you confirm this and what it means?
The story we have is he has gone to the Ukraine with heart problems.
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Originally posted by Firo
Someone has posted on the Facebook site that "the Russian has done a runner" DA's can you confirm this and what it means?
The story we have is he has gone to the Ukraine with heart problems.
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dident someone say he was heartless!!1
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Gone to get one fitted... ;)
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Originally posted by tinkerman
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Originally posted by Firo
Someone has posted on the Facebook site that "the Russian has done a runner" DA's can you confirm this and what it means?
The story we have is he has gone to the Ukraine with heart problems.
Must need a double bypass ;)
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Review part 2 - part one towards bottom of previous page 173
Silent Protest March
The end of June was a bit of a turning point in more ways than one. The Silent Protest march was a huge success in the sense that the high turnout was an amazing sight to see, was very uplifting and exhilerating, achieved mass media coverage with some rather exaggerated figures about the actual numbers present but as this was in our favour who cares.
Some people later remarked that afterwards they were left feeling somewhat deflated and with a sense of anti climax. It might be hard to assess the impact or ever really know what if any concrete outcomes there were from the march itself but ultimately it was an opportunity to make a statement and a big one for such a tiny place as Hisaronu.
1st August there is going to be a really huge Freedom for Dolphins Event in Istanbul organised by Turkish people and organisations... the ripple effect is working away.
http://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=128633810513266&ref=ts
Operating License
In the meantime a full two months after the start of the tourist season enough pressure was brought to bear on the Ölüdeniz Belediye by the Dolphin Park to force them to issue an operating license without the permission of the Ministry of Agriculture.
According to the Hurriyet article 25th March the mayor said the final decision would come from the Ministry of Agriculture.
Representatives from the ministry will inspect the completed site and issue an operating license to Dolphinarium Kas only if the centre meets their standards.
"We cannot give a guarantee on whether the Dolphinarium will open this summer because it is up to the ministry to do this," said the mayor.
The operating license was actually issued by the Olu Belediye 30th June two days before the Protest March.
The Boycott
It should not be underestimated what has been achieved as a result of the collective efforts and contributions of everyone involved.
These include everyone who followed the story, wrote a letter, made a phone call, told a friend, raise some money, attended the protest, wears a Born Free Live Free Dolphin t-shirt, the list is endless.
The local boycott has been a huge success and should continue for as long as necessary.
Ironically the people turning up to swim (and people are coming to swim) come not from Hisaronu but from Calis, Kas, Kalkan, Sarigerme and Gocek.
So the reason for coming to Hisaronu where "all the tourists are" has not given the Dolphin Park the business they so desparately need.
And they are desperate. Open two months behind schedule, more adverse publicity than anyone could ever have imagined, in debt up to their eyeballs and a growing group of opponents numbering by now thousands that are refusing to go away.
More to follow, bringing us more up to date and with some new information.
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Originally posted by heather07
Fliers on the plane is a good idea. Someone has done this on a TC flight. They were fine with it after being asked.
Does anyone know Thomsons policy on this. Flying Thomsons on Sunday, happy to hand out flyers but just wondered if Thomsons have joined the campaign to boycott the 'attraction'
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YES!!!! My friend works for Thomsons and they are not supporting this in any way shape or form.
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quote:
Originally posted by spiderbob
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Originally posted by suki2708
Just to let you know that I have also emailed the following in the UK in the hope that they will highlight this story & help raise awareness. I have mentioned this forum for anyone wanting more details & also the Born Free Foundation website which contains the online petition & alsothe link to the facebook campaign.
BBC breakfast news
BBC radio 2 - Sarah Kennedy & Jeremy Vine shows
BBC The One Show
GMTV
Heather Mills
On another note - we are in Kas in September so I sent an enquiry to the car hire/transfer people we have booked casually asking if there was an opportunity to swim with dolpins. If they had said yes I was going to cancel my booking with them. However they came back with the response as follows
'The dolphins were moved from Kas a few months ago. There is talk about getting more but I doubt this will happen by September.'
Has anyone else heard these rumours? The last thing we want to happen is for them to get more dolphins in the Kas dolphinarium.
Just to let you know that we contacted many of the above by e-mail and telephone many weeks ago but no one got back to us except for HELEN WORTH who actually visited the Hell hole back in June.
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Hi Spiderbob, I guessed someone would already thought of this but I think the more people who contact these aspects of media the more they may realise there is a story here that deserves to be told. Please everyone if you can spare a few minutes to email the programmes/people above and any others you can think of please do so. The more contact they get about this the more they will realise this is a reoccuring theme that may need looking in to.
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ooops :o
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Careful ;)
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Review and latest update part 3
Born Free and subsequent talks
The arrival in late June of Born Free staff with Patron Helen Worth to see for themselves what was going on changed the dynamics of the campaign on the ground. It was the catalyst for the idea that a solution to the situation could be found.
The idea was and is, ludicrous as this might sound is that the Dolphin Park would hand over their two Dolphins so they could be rehabilitated and released. After Born Free's meeting with the Dolphin Park owners the Dolphin Angels have continued to meet and talk with the owners and some of the other investors.
Access to information
While some may speculate about the value of this approach the talks have yielded more concrete information (and evidence) than we have yet to receive through the route using the legal system that started well before Born Frees visit or the operating license was issued, 30th June.
This included being given copies of the operating license and written documentation proving ownership of the Dolphins.
Dolphin health check by our Vet
Talking also enabled us to get the Dolphin Park owners permission to allow our Vet last week to undertake a health check on the Dolphins and take swabs from the Dolphins and water samples from the pool.
The health and well being of the Dolphins is our primary concern and test results and analysis will soon be available.
Ministry of Health - water tests
The water tests carried out on the orders of the Director General of Public Health and the subsequent Directive that forbids people from swimming in that pool has resulted in the Dolphin Park operating license being revoked and the wording is being revised to reflect this.
However while the Ministry of Health understands that the water in the pool can never be safe for both humans and Dolphins the message has not sunk in when it comes to the minions on the ground .
It is to us at least frankly unbelievable and inconceivable that a Directive is sent, signs are ordered to be put up stating the water in the pool is unfit for humans and yet there is no enforcement of this order and no sign of the signs.
And:. people are still swimming with the Dolphins in what can only be described as a cess pit.
So what the bloody hell is going on. Anarchy - that's what! Pure and simple unadulterated anarchy:
The enforcement of the Directive is the Ministry of Health's call to make and it is frustrating for us who expected there to be some compliance at least. However there was a rather large fine handed out the other day when a complaint was made which was large enough to make quite an inroad into any takings they have had on recent days.
Teetering on the brink
Anyway, in the meantime and as a result of a most successful boycott and the email campaigns that have still to this day stopped any Ministry wanting to take responsibility for this debacle the writing is on the wall for the Dolphin Park.
The next couple of weeks are going to be an important time and we will do everything within our power to try and secure the best possible outcome for Tom and Misha.
Everything is very uncertain at the moment and we really don't know what will happen but even if it ends up out of our hands at least we know, that like you at least we tried.
This is the third and final report for the time being.
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Suki
I live in Kas and the only people who have said there are rumours of new dolphins coming to Kas are people who work in Andifli Car Rental.
No-one else has I have spoken to has heard this "rumour".
They do supply cars to a woman called Heidi Pedersen, who drives people from Kas to Hisaronu to swim with the dolphins. Maybe she has told them this.
I regularly drive out to the old dolphinarium to check whether there is any activity out there.
If I see anything I will report back straight away.
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Thank you DA for the reports. It is frustrating for us so it must be hell for you.
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Kasdolphin, thank you for your message. I'm glad to hear the dolphinarium in Kas is no longer operating - at least at the moment.
I contacted Andifli to ask on there stance & they confirmed that they do not agree with the dolphinariums & would not arrange any trips to swim with them. Could Andifli be added to the list of reputable car hire/transfer companies that is being complied.
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Oh blimey, I know you Dolphins Angels are doing so much behind the scenes and we all are so so grateful, but I still feel so helpless as we all do I am sure, but just want to get these beaufiful animals 'Tom and Misha' back into the environment they should be in....that great big lake!!.......I really hope and pray that will happen...it honestly breaks my heart thinking about them.....xx
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Hi,
We were in Calis a couple of weeks ago and when on the beach a dolphin came quite close in up by the Sat beach club. The dolphin was in the sea free to swim around with no restrictions!!!!!!! that is where dolphins should be not in a pool trapped just for some mindless people's financial gain.
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returning tourists from Hisaronu,are telling of a booth in the middle of the town(opposite the mosque)where the people working on the dolphin stand,are even crossing the road to aproach tourists,as they walk by,to offer them the chance to swim with the dolphins,waving leaflets at them.ARE THEY ALLOWED TO DO THIS?Whenever ive visited,shopkeepers were not allowed to cross over from their doorstep,to entice custom,many times i heard jandarma over the tannoy,telling shopkeepers to get back inside,or they would revoke their licences,please can anyone on here advise me,is this rule still in practice?if it is,who would be the best person to contact?thank you.
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Originally posted by chris1
Whenever ive visited,shopkeepers were not allowed to cross over from their doorstep,to entice custom,many times i heard jandarma over the tannoy,telling shopkeepers to get back inside,or they would revoke their licences,please can anyone on here advise me,is this rule still in practice?if it is,who would be the best person to contact?thank you.
What licence? He hasnt got one!
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oh yes he has....see page 174..DA review part 2.
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Suki
The people that work in the office indeed do not support the dolphins being in captivity. However they are employees and not the owners of Andifli. I have spoken with them about this and I still feel that Andifli should not be put down as a company that supports what we are doing because they are renting a car to Heidi Pederson knowing that she is ferrying people to Hisaronu from Kaş in one of their rentals.
Just my opinion :-)
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I couldnt agree more with KasDolphin - how can you give support to a business that is giving so much support to the HellHole?
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Agree Soo, does not meet criteria for our support.
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Had a VERY nice CHAT tonight with Ali from ACE travel in Calis! HE WILL NOT SELL ANYBODY A TICKET, HE EVEN TRIED TO GIVE ME A LECTURE!!
I was in the right place at the right timr!! The managers from SEASIDE and FOCUS travel were also there. I just went in to Ace for a recce and asked for a quote for 6 people 2 of which were kids for a trip. He gave me a very good price and that is when the subject was broached. There was banter as is usual and the manager for Focus got involved! They were the company who were willing to charge £100 for a swim! Anyway, said 'Thank you very much I will think about it', sat over in Dawn Beach and just watched. Lots of arms and legs moving, left it an hour or so and went back, gave Ali in front of everybody a piece of paper which just had the facebook page for 'Free the Olu Deniz dolphins' on, underneath was written 19,000 members. They stood there and panic did set in. Focus manager got really annoyed as to why everybody was blaming him personally! Ali was great. He had tried to explain it was not personal. In between my visits there had been a very long conversation! It was not for my benefit and both Ali and the man from Seaside (I'm sorry I am not good on names) who he told me he has a bought a t-shirt to help the funds turned on Focus! Upshot is the owner of Focus travel in Hisaronou has told him he must sell the tickets! The owner of Focus travel does know that people are at great risk of catching a 'Life-long' disease BUT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Thats what he says!! Very placid conversation, sort of and everybody admitted the boycott is working and that it is the majority of visitors to the 'Hellhole' are Turkish. A dolphin in turkish history is like Joseph in the English bible all Turks want to 'Touch' one.
They did give each other a lot of information between themselves in Turkish! They tried to say it was all the Russian's fault, when informed he had gone and it was the Turks looking after them and it was their fault, one did say 'She is right'! Then they all admitted it was the fault of the mayor! They were giving me the info!! Not very nice info tho'!!!
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Thats exactly the pro active approach needed to sort this problem out,sit down and talk to these people, well done you! ;)
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ACE travel has been on the side of the dolphins since the beginning
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Ali from Ace was brilliant! He is a no nonsense fella and when I asked for a ticket just told me "You cannot go in there, it is full of P*SS and SH*T!" What a good advocate for the campaign!!!
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Originally posted by cheers
Ali from Ace was brilliant! He is a no nonsense fella and when I asked for a ticket just told me "You cannot go in there, it is full of P*SS and SH*T!" What a good advocate for the campaign!!!
Well done Cheeers. Love that comment from Ali---
"You cannot go in there, it is full of P*SS and SH*T!"
Say it how it is Ali!!!!!!!!!!!
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19.095 people cant be wrong-FREE THE OLUDENIZ DOLPHINS.
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(http://)http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/n.php?n=stop-going-to-aqua-entertainment-parks-save-the-lives-of-dolphins-2010-08-01
Some more high profile news for the Cause :)
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That was an interesting article Tribalelder, but even more interesting was the Muslim point of view in the letters under the piece, very heartwarming to read the religious aspects this person puts forward.
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How very true and in some ways very humbling. Perhaps that message should be translated and given to everyone who is promoting this abomination.
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The sit down strike on August 15th sounds interesting Does anyone know if anything will be organised at Hisoranu?
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Is it the beginning of the end for Dolphin Parks in Turkey?
http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/n.php?n=from-the-bosphorus-straight---high-time-to-ban-dolphin-parks-2010-08-02
And all because a Mayor said bring your Dolphins to Hisaronu - they had no idea what would come, for sure they never banked on us :D
All over Turkey now the issue of Dolphins in Captivity is becoming news...
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Yes DA it has surpassed all our dreams.:D
We will not go away now.: :)
That must be one of the best articles I have seen.
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great article, fantastic the way this has all grown. Lets hope it becomes reality soon
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for those of you not lucky enough to live here and be able to pick up your own copy of the Sun Express newspaper ;)
http://www.sunexpressnews.com/makale_goster.asp?yazid=23id=90
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Link not working for me Nic
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http://www.sunexpressnews.com/makale_goster.asp?yazid=23id=90
This one worked....
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Sorry neither working for me.
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neither working for me either
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I cant open either of them.
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Try this one
http://www.sunexpressnews.com/
and then you will see Nichola's page on the left side. The direct link to her page does not work.
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That one works fine - thanks Eric:D
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I can't believe that apart from one person who is a member here commented anywhere on any internet site about the GMTV episode today which was about 'Swim with a Dolphin'. It is on their 101 things to do before you die campaign.
IS THIS APATHY AT ITS BEST??????
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I might be putting my foot in it here but as I understand things, it is quite possible to swim with dolphins without causing any harm or danger to the dolphins. What we are standing against here is kidnapping dolphins and forcing them to live their lives in tiny pools and inhumane enclosures.
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Originally posted by Scunner
I might be putting my foot in it here but as I understand things, it is quite possible to swim with dolphins without causing any harm or danger to the dolphins. What we are standing against here is kidnapping dolphins and forcing them to live their lives in tiny pools and inhumane enclosures.
Not putting your foot in it for me Keith!! I and many others would be quite prepared to pay to go and watch a dolphin playing, jumping, diving, swimming even if it was in a bay. If DA's vision could come true and we could go somewhere where the dolphins came to us when they wanted our company HOW MAGICAL WOULD THAT BE????? The exploitation of the 'Hellhole' is a total NO NO!!!
BORN FREE - LIVE FREE!!!
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we swam with dolphins in mexico a few years back......they had been rescued by the most lovely people who nursed them back to health after they had be found poorly following a small oil spill, they used to swim close to where the boats were.....they had them in a small cove adjacent to where it went into the sea and they let them go, but they just kept coming back all the time and just loved people but at the same time had total freedom......just lovely and the way it should be..........
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If it is the same place as I think it is they are now teaching them to use i-Pods! Magical and mystical creatures that should not be in a 'HELLHOLE'.
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Originally posted by cheers
I can't believe that apart from one person who is a member here commented anywhere on any internet site about the GMTV episode today which was about 'Swim with a Dolphin'. It is on their 101 things to do before you die campaign.
IS THIS APATHY AT ITS BEST??????
Cheers - how can I be apathetic towards something I didn't see.
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indeed rather a sweeping statement I think and one that has rather ruffled my feathers.
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Watching G.M.T.V. in the gym this morning and was amazed to hear them saying "Go to our website to see 101 things to do in your life" which was complete with a picture of a girl swimming with Dolphins. I had a look at their website when I got home and sure enough swmming with Dolphins is number 11 of 101 things to do this Summer. It's a pity Helen Worth could not get onto G.M.T.V. and put them right. Here is the website with the 101 things to do. http://www.gm.tv/articles/52108-summer-experience-top-rated.html
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Here is just one of the several TV reports of the many protest activities that have taken place all around Turkey against Dolphins in Captivity organised by Turkish people inspired by what we have been doing here.
Okyü who came from Istanbul to join us on the Protest march in Hisaronu at her own expense can be seen speaking out in the news report in the following link.
http://www.beyazgazete.com/video/2010/08/01/su-alti-eylem-atv.html
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But the point surely is that we are fighting this tiny pool in Hisaronu - I have been asked to remove (and have removed) many dolphin banners served up by Google but some of them look rather brill - the dolphins keep coming in from the big wide ocean to swim with humanoids presumably because they enjoy it.
I don't like to see any negativity in this topic as the combined protest has been magnificent - but if I am honest, I don't have any feelings for saving captive dolphins apart from the two in that concrete bung in Hisaronu. Sorry...
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That was in reply to Jacqui by the way, not Nichola.
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Originally posted by cheers
Correct me if I am wrong but doesn't this site cover Hisaronou?
This is page 179 of this topic in the Hisaronu section.
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This is a very emotive subject as we all know and comments like "I haven't seen it" so how can I comment don't wash with me!! Everyboy who posts on here have access to the internet, I am here and just going on to the FB page will give people all the info they need to speak up against this VILE act! I know you silently do e mails etc. but this is the place on the ground that can do so much!! Only one person who is a member of CBF posted on Facebook today but not on here!! Well done her!! Where are the rest of you? This is the place that you have chosen to holiday year after year, live or buy a place here. Why are you all so silent? People are fighting tooth and nail for Misha & Tom! Where have your voices been for the last few days???? THIS IS THE SITE ON THE GROUND!!!!
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Linda, I am going to bed now but couldn't leave without letting you know that whilst your intentions are obvious, your actions are possibly rubbing good supportive people frimly up the wrong way. Those who are less vocal than you aren't losing the will to fight. Highlander is right, he can't object to something that he didn't stumble across on his daily browse.
My concern is that your overzealous approach to this situation might just be beginning to alienate people.
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Cheers, agree with Keith. How can we be up in arms about something we know/knew nothing about I certainly don't watch GMTV when in Turkey
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Even less reaction than I thought I would get!
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Seriously -get a grip, you couldn't ask for more support from the members of CBF- I didn't see the programme and couldn't give 2 figs whether it washes with you or not. I work hard and i'm out of the house from 7:45am to 6pm 5 days a week. It's because of this that I don't always have time to to check in on the Facebook page let alone watch GMTV (and to be honest why would I want to watch GMTV). However it does allow me to make a large donation to the dolphin fund (and I can tell you it was not the money that cost me Nick and I had a huge row about the size of the donation) and be present for the silent protest in Hisoranu, pay more than double for the protest T shirt (my own choice) and when I did have time email countless people with my feelings about the dolphin pool. If the Dolphin Angels ask me to do something, I'm there. But your intention to make people feel guilty about not commenting on a programme that they didnt see has somewhat peeved me. Be very careful it may not take much to turn ardent supporters of the plight of Micha and Tom maybe a little less supportive than you intended. Try and keep your thoughts to yourself if they are of this nature otherwise you may find that the fickle finger of fate points in your direction for not helping the dolphin cause.
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Here ! Here !
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Lets not any of us fall out at this late stage of the game.
If some one sees something on Facebook that isn't reported here the simple thing to do is to post it here and draw it to everyone's attention and then I am sure that those that want to do something will!
And I am sure most will report that they have taken some action. And if they don't that is their business.
Everyone here on this topic has played their part in some way. No action is too small or insignificant - it all adds to the whole which has been overwhelming.
Lets keep up the good work together - its not over yet... there are still 2 Dolphins in a small pool up a mountain and somewhat the worse for wear. They need us more than ever right now.
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Originally posted by cheers
"I haven't seen it" so how can I comment don't wash with me!!
The reason I won't respond to that is of course that this should be about the dolphins and nothing else.
Cheers - if you want to criticism me in the future then please use my personal email rather than posting on here.
Thank you H
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I have to confess I don't watch GMTV either, only caught it because I was in the gym.
I also think it must be lovely to swim with Dolphins in the wild, the two in the advert on
GMTV where in a pool and captive Dolphins.
I have been to a Dolphin show in Tenerife about 10 years ago, but since all this has come
up about the Hisanoru Dolphins I have changed my opinion about captive Dolphins and would not
go and see a show again. I have been educated. Dolphins should be in the wild.
I have donated to the cause, signed petitions etc., I have done very little, compared to others
on this Forum, but I do care. I don't want to feel guilty that I should be doing more.
After all this, we are all fighting for the same cause, so lets fight together, some may do a lot
some may do a little but we all want the same end to this tragic situation.
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it seems the strain is begining to show,please, keep the onus on positivity,wev'e had a few whingers on f.b. recently,ive posted a little note on there to them....not here to boost own ego,to grab 5 minute fame,we dont need confrontation,its not some silly game.Each one on here is equal,no boss,or hierarchy,just want the final sequel,to see our boys swim free.The end result here to acheive,is ending our boys plight,help us -or feel free to leave,spitting dummies isnt right.On spouting, wer'e a "waist off time",members laugh and disagree,you time is better spent at school,leave us to get them free!!!
And now im going back to f.b.to rally the troops,and try to keep spirits up,and raise awareness to the ones who yet dont know about our wonderful people,and what we are aiming to do.xxx
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I am not sure where this negativity is coming from. We are all working hard to prevent the continued abuse of these dolphins. If people are zealous then that must be all to the good and positive for Tom and Misha. There does not appear to me to be any fame grabbers here but thousands of people united in wanting our dolphins returned to the sea and an end to this vile activity. Yes it is frustrating that it is a slow process(and one that is painful for Tom and Misha) Please lets not squabble amongst ourselves but remain as united as we did on the march. Lets get out t shirts on and feel proud of what we are part of.
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As I am guilty of not regularly letting this forum know what I am up to in the support of Tom and Misha:-
Today I am improving my computer skills by sending off e mails as requested on discussion pages on Fb, comments to GMTV on their 100 things to do article, contacted BBC tv, Radio Lancashire, e mailed Radio Times re The Cove, Oprah to ask her to interview the film makers of The Cove, the Ormskirk Advertiser and I have sold a story to Take a Break magazine so that the fee can, when they pay me, be sent to the fund, and contacting friends on my e mail list who are not on the forum or facebook to update them on what is happening. Just off to post video clips - Pelicans (1) and Tortoises (2) to You've been framed in the hopes that our Turkish wildlife can similarly contribute to the cause.
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I think you are all doing well and I do what I can over in blighty but most of all you should all chill and take each day as it comes and not to get negative as this comes across agressive in some places. Every campaign takes time to resolve and some never do but you carry on come what may so keep it up but be positive and work collectively this normally helps.
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I found this poem by Christine A Armani on the internet
which I think just about sums it up
The beautiful dolphins the titans of the sea
The playful dolphins
... swimming carefree
The ocean is their rightful place
But with tanks they
are replaced
They are placed into captivity
Away from their nativity
By our
greed they are confined
Yet for centuries they've rescued mankind
And how
do we give thanks?
We confine them to small tanks
Around before man was
even born
From their habitats they are torn
They're even forced to do
tricks
So their hunger they can fix
We take them out of greed
And cause
them to not breed
We cause them so much pain For our personal game
How long
do they have to suffer?Or will things just get tougher?
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Great poem! Keep focused everyone, Tom and Misha are still suffering and need our support!
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Negotiations
As you know from recent updates a lot of work has been going on to try to free Tom and Misha into a rehabilitation and release programme.
Many of you will know Donal MacIntyre, an investigative journalist, specialising in hard hitting investigations, undercover operations and television exposes.
http://macintyre.com/
Donal arrived last week with the Born Free team and he flew home yesterday after a few very intense days and nights of negotiations trying to reach a solution to the ongoing saga that is Tom and Misha's fate.
New coverage
Tuesday night a short news report will be broadcast on ITN London Tonight news programme 6pm and later on News Extra at 8pm and probably on the 10 o'clock ITN news.
On the same day (Tuesday) the Sun will lead the coverage by following up on their exclusive with a further report.
There may also be some coverage in Hello magazine although we do not know when.
Don't hold us to the days of coverage as you know that a news story can die a death in the event of a breaking or "more important" story
Piling on the pressure
The pressure is piling on now to bring an end to Tom and Misha's captivity and a number of things are in play but these can not be revealed yet.
There are teams of people working on the required protocols, permissions and agreements in Turkey and there are others on standby to provide the safe sanctuary for Tom and Misha in the event they need to be moved quickly.
Tom and Misha's health
The Born Free team also came with a specialist Marine Mammal Vet and a Diver to assist in a further health check of Tom and Misha as there is increasing concerns for their health.
This is an area we have been working on over the past couple of weeks as their health is of paramount concern to us. Test results take time but rest assured we are doing all we can to protect Misha and Tom even while they are in this small pool.
To give some credit to the Dolphin Park people they have welcomed our input and have asked advice on suitable medications and treatments for Misha and Tom.
Boycott and UK MPs
In the meantime the boycott and the work that you are all doing to stop people swimming in that pool with Misha and Tom must continue.
One of the most important things that those of you in the UK can do is to write to your MP and ask them to pass on your concerns to the appropriate Minister who can then bring pressure to bear on their Turkish Government counterparts.
It is the correct protocal to write to your MP and it is their responsibility to pass it on to the appropriate Cabinet Minister.
You can of course refer to the Early Day Motion EDM introduced by MP Bob Russell
http://edmi.parliament.uk/EDMi/EDMDetails.aspx?EDMID=41360
Every action counts and right now Misha and Tom are counting on us.
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Thanks for the update Dolphin Angels.
There is a lot of positive stuff going on.
Keep pushing folks - we,ll get there in the end.
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Well done Dolphin Angels, you are all amazing. You can count on us to be foot soldiers in this war against the abusive treatment Tom and Misha are enduring. It is reassuring to hear that the park people are aware that the conditions they are in is not ideal and are seeking help. A giant step forward. Would be more impressive if they were not touting for tourists to get ill in the pool. Also good to hear follow on plans are in place if things suddenly begin to happen. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THANK YOU
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Thank you for the report DAs
So glad to hear that things are moving in the right direction.
We have not got them out yet but there is no way they will be brought back for another summer in that pool. That will be a result.
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What wonderful news to wake up to, thankyou. Right all we need is the world to be peaceful for a day and hope that Jordan doesn't announce a pregnancy or something. Roll on tomorrow. This is just what we need a mainstream news channel. Their plight will not and cannot be ignored for much longer. Yippeeee!!
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thanks for the update dolphin angels......all sounds very positive....anything we can do at all just say....good luck.
xxx
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What would Misha and Tom do without you DA you are tireless in what you do and I for one and along with many many more thankyou...I don,t post on here to much,but rest assured my keyboard can be red hot at times e-mailing all I can think of and lists you have given.Again well done...........
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Brill news, now I know what you wanted the wetsuits for
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;)
turns out one of the Divers is an old mate of Alf's - small world :)
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Just had a phone call.
ITV London tonight ect and ITN coverage going out tonight! Monday.
Please contact and pass this on to those that will want to watch it. First broadcast is in less then one hour.
Thanks
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excellent news DA...shame the majority of us wont be able to see it in Turkiye...but that doesnt matter...the publicity is all that matters and the rehab of Tom and Misha
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Very good report, showed everything as it is, including interviews with vets, Born Free and our Nichola. Top story on the 6 O'clock news too so great publicity. Also a short interview with some posh dickhead from the UK who swam with them and was surprised to hear the pool was condemned as unfit to swim in and said the news of the health risks might "put a damper on the whole holiday".
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On another forum someone is typing while watching London Tonight about Misha and Tom,I don,t know who has said but apparantly he wants £3000.000 to set them free B*****d.I tought in one post I read that he had stated the dolphins belonged to the Turkish Government and he was only renting them.Am I wrong ??
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Yes it said they want £360,000 (yes POUNDS) to hand them over. Close it down and give him no blood money, he's a savage.
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Incredible coverage. Hopefully the story will be picked up nationally.
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We managed to see it on http://www.uktvaccess.com/
Did you see the subsidence around the pool at least half a metre deep following the rains during the week.
We thought that it was a balanced report considering how appalling the situation really is.
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How does the pool manage to escape the law which condemns it as unsafe? Why would you pay 360,000 pounds to somebody who is breaking the law?
If any money is paid there will be pools springing up all over the place waiting for well intentioned foreigners to buy the freedom of the animals.
Some local businessmen have obviously invested a lot of money in this venture and want to recoup their losses! The pool looked an absolute shambles.
The item on the television was very informative and accurate.Well done to Nichola and everyone who is fighting.
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Great news - thanks for the update :)
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quote:
Originally posted by Daffodil
Some local businessmen have obviously invested a lot of money in this venture and want to recoup their losses!
And then some! There's no way the entire costs for this ill advised project come anywhere near £360,000 - as is quite usual it is people looking for opportunities to make big money for doing next to nothing.
It's pretty much "OK I accept I'm an unsavoury git so pay me to go". Vile.
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I wonder who built the pool and what they charged for it!
How do they explain a bill of 360,000 pounds?
If I was a local Turkish local I would like to know what was paid for the land and where the money went to , also who financed the pool!
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Blood money/ransom money, not sure which.
Didn't Hamish McTurk pay for the pool to be built?
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I am afraid he may have. I am sorry if he did as he may have not been fully aware of what the consequences of his actions where. People need to make a living in tourism in Turkey but need experienced guidance when taking on a venture like this.
I like Hamish and hope that he does not pay too dearly for this if he did indeed invest in it.
It would be good if there could be some sort of compromise to settle the situation.The dolphin need to be moved and the pool may be able to be used as a public swimming area/lido maybe!
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The compromise is already offered. 360 grand and we'll go. Money money money - Hamish and all of them.
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I would not pay a penny! It would encourage other places to try blackmail tactics with animals!
If you invest in a business the risks are there. The place is operating illegally and escaping the law!
I am a mother and grandmother and no way would I put my families health at risk in this place. Even the health minister in Turkey has tried his best to put a stop to it operating!
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Cem Tar built the pool - and they are owed the money for it and have sent the Bailifs around. If I was the Dolphin Park owners I would be sueing Cem Tar for that work - what a disgrace but seriously there is a legitimate concern that the pool may collapse in on itself.
NO ONE is gonna pay these guys for the Dolphins - rest assured on that score. People have to take responsibility for their own bad business decisions.
Anyway, just had a phone call from Donal to say thank you - we said thanks very much to him too. We are extremely pleased with the way the report was presented.
I asked him about a link to the report for Facebook for those in Turkey and he said he'd get the web team on to it so I have sent an e mail to him with a link to the group - or maybe Ameera his wife and new member on our FB group will add the link.
Born Free PR Director has just been in touch and said that the coverage will go out tonight at 10pm as well. I forgot to clarify with Donal when he rang.
Also just a had a chat with Vince from the Sun who is working on tomorrow's article.
Hey ho and there may be coverage in Wednesdays Sun too...
Hopefully the story will spiral and other news channels will cover it - if so please do let us know
Thanks
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We are watching this in France so it is going out worldwide on satellite TV.
So the pool is not only full of disease giving bacteria it is structurally unsafe!
What a great advert for Hisaronu and Turkey!
Where is the Russian now? Maybe Hamish trusted his judgement too much.
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Born Free web site report
http://www.bornfree.org.uk/campaigns/zoo-check/captive-whales-dolphins/hisaronu-dolphins/
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Everything is going to be fine, I have just ordered 55,200 t shirts 8)
Maybe I should have ordered 100,000 bags 8)
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:D ;) :D
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Speaking of which.. I have just delivered more bags to Mulberry Tree, Goldfingers, and Cadiands Tours, well done to all these people for their support, please pop in and support them ;)
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During the programme they interviewed this idiot who went swimming with the dolphins and he is now going to have a health check because he is worried that he might have caught something. His parting words well the pool is not even as big as the one at our complex. It just highlighted the type of idiots who will pay good money to line someones pocket and cause suffering to besutiful creatures.
Yes, Hamish McTurk did confirm to me that he invested in the building of this dolphinarium. I pleaded with him in May to pull out for the sake of his business and the well being of the dolphins.
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quote:
Originally posted by Daffodil
now? Maybe Hamish trusted his judgement too much.
maybe Hamish was blinded by the dollar signs
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I watched the 6:30 ITV news but nothing mentioned - am I watching the wrong thing?
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Here's a link to the report on London Tonight's website:-
http://www.itv.com/london/emergency-dolphin-misson29963/
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However misguided they were the Turks like Hamish in the beginning did not believe that they were doing anything wrong. Quoting Hamish in that there are many dolphinariums throughout the world why not one in the Fethiye area. Also they were selling trips to Kas and little fuss was being made. Yes, all they saw was GBP signs. The problem now of course that the money they have invested is dead money and they are not likely to recover it. We are now in mid August and the adventure should be bringing the cash in hand over fist but it is not. It was obvious from the TV tonight that the war is lost and how can they get out of it with the minimum of losses.
The people that should take most of the responsibility for this utter shambles is not the hamish McTurks of this world it is the authorities. Starting from Yilmaz all the way up to the Turkish government. Their intervention could have put a stop to this a long time ago. The first question that my friends asked what were the authorities doing. The authorities do not know how much long term damage they have done to the tourist industry in the Fethiye area. The one thing besides the pool that utterly disgusted my friends was the photo and commentary on how the dolphins were brought to the pool.
So well done to all those people who so far have worked so hard to get the worlds attention on these poor creatures and lets hope that they are in a safe refuge very soon and eventually released to roam the waters of the Med.
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So sad, so very, very sad:(
PS That is a comment on the film - not the post immediately above this one.
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quote:
Originally posted by Gorgeous_bird
I watched the 6:30 ITV news but nothing mentioned - am I watching the wrong thing?
Yes it was the ITV London local news at 6.
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If you are in the UK but not in London area, ITV London is on Sky (channel 993) and Freesat (channel 977). Should be on again after News at 10.
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just watched online, it just seems crazy that no one can legally enforce anything when its clear theyre suffering :(
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They should be fined and MADE to hand over the dolphins. End of.
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Agreed, and with that the dolphins can be cared for and supported and this dreadfully embarrassing episode for Turkey can start to fade. How so many levels of authority have become involved and yet the dolphins are still in the concrete tank and people can still turn up and swim with them with no hint of anyone preventing that is a national disgrace that has sent Turkey back God knows how many years.
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hopefully you caught the second showing just now... if you are in the uk it is on the web site (see above post with link) but still blocked to Turkey unless you have a UK IP address.
Just waiting for someone to post on youtube and then we can all view through Ktunnel or similar...
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Just watched online....words can not express the sadness of it all and the disgust for those responsible...it's no surprise it comes down to money. The owner wants a huge 'compensation' payout to give them up....whats two dead dolphins going to earn him in the end....what is wrong with this man...what a greedy, evil person to allow this to happen to these 2 beautiful creatures.
Less importantly, but still relevant, the bad press this is giving this area as a tourist destination is certain to have a negative affect.
Madness...pure madness
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quote:
Originally posted by Scunner
Agreed, and with that the dolphins can be cared for and supported and this dreadfully embarrassing episode for Turkey can start to fade. How so many levels of authority have become involved and yet the dolphins are still in the concrete tank and people can still turn up and swim with them with no hint of anyone preventing that is a national disgrace that has sent Turkey back God knows how many years.
Responsibilty yok!:(
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QgatOuw9PsE
Watch through ktunnel if in Turkey - you may need to run an add on.
Also being uploaded direct to FB group now...
thanks to my bro for this :D
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Tuned into ITV London through Sky last night. Well done to all concerned, it was a great piece. We only wished it could have gone out nationally. I note that Sky News are running a piece about Animal Cruelty in China today, which was very sad. Perhaps they may feature the Dolphins soon.
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I know the advice is to stay positive and do what we can but this is very difficult given that our largest national newspaper and the news service of our capital city have highlighted the shame and barbarism of this, the Turkish authorities have condemned it as a very grave health risk and humans should under no circumstances be allowed to enter the water - and yet every day humans pay to enter the water. Surely one policeman stationed at the "facility" and it's game over.
But no, it's still there, still morons come, still money is being made. Can't it be stopped in 2 minutes, if they really wanted to?
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We have uncovered links from this company to the others that were given the original license to capture the Dolphins in 2006.
This means that powerful, wealthy and potentially dangerous people with Mafia connections are involved.
Yes it could be stopped in one moment and ongoing pressure right this minute on the people in government with that power is meeting resistance.
We however will not concede or capitulate.
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I think many of us will have considered the Mafia element, and concerning as it is, we will not be playing a roll in any of their silly movie blockbuster type tactics. Onwards and upwards.
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I think you are correct flipflop2 but with the greatest respect it's ease to say so from the safety of the UK.
If indeed it means that powerful, wealthy and potentially dangerous people with Mafia connections are involved, then I can only hope and pray for those on the ground in Turkey who are risking so much.
Please take care everyone.
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It would be great if it would stop now, but it isn't, so we just have to keep plodding on one step at a time and keeep telling folk to boycott the park.
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Good evening Highlander, lets not get too carried away. I lived in Turkey many years and would never sit on the fence now I am back in the UK thinking "I am alright Jack" - Like you say the safety of everyone is paramount and I am sure that with such sensible people involved with this campaign there is absolutely nothing to worry about.
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And to you flipflop2.
I did not meant to imply that you were sitting on the fence and I was fairly sure that you would agree that the safety of everyone is paramount.
My worry is not for what the sensible people who run the campaign will do but what the powerful, wealthy and potentially dangerous people with Mafia connections might do.
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Hopefully they will not do anything stupid when the eyes of the world are on them.
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Point taken Highlander. And Heather your words of wisdom come as a welcome comfort. Thank you
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Great report by Donal MacIntyre, sharing it with as many people as possible. Still behind you all the way Dolphin Angels!
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Please see reply I got from ABTA
Dear Rosie,
Please allow me to introduce myself. My name is Simon Pickup and I am the Sustainable Tourism Coordinator for ABTA and the Federation of Tour Operators in the UK.
I have received a message below which I believe you sent to ABTA using our website: www.abta.com
Firstly, thank you for the information that you have provided. The development of the Dolphin pool in Hisaronu has been a developing situation that we have been monitoring closely. It has shocked and saddened both ourselves, our members and the international community.
The Tour Operator members of ABTA work to a strict set of guidance in relation to attractions that contain animals, the Travelife Animal Welfare Guidelines. These were developed via a multistakeholder process which involved animal welfare expert organisations from all around the world. The aim of the guidance document is to ensure that in all instances where animals are featured in attractions in destinations which UK customers visit, there are good standards of welfare adhered to. On the basis of this guidance, the ABTA tour operator members decided that they would not be in a position to work with this attraction.
However, owing to the poor standards of animal care and that were being exhibited and facility design and location, our members have additionally voiced their concerns with the Turkish authorities to ensure that the dolphins are moved to safety away from this attraction. We and our members have been working closely with the Born Free Foundation (www.bornfree.org.uk) with regards to this situation. Born Free are campaigning to have the dolphins moved to safety and additionally, seeking to ensure their welfare for the time that they remain at this attraction. We have been liaising with Born Free regularly over this situation and are hopeful, that there will be solution reached in the immediate future. The Born Free Foundation has information relating to this situation on its website which is available at: http://www.bornfree.org.uk/news/news-article/?no_cache=1&tx_ttnews%5Btt_news%5D=528
As far as we are aware, there were concerns regarding the water quality at the attraction and its safety for humans which led to the Turkish authorities declaring that the attraction's pool could not be entered by humans due to the health risk this was pose. As such, we were led to believe that the attraction was closed to the public. It is therefore concerning for us to hear that tourists are being encouraged to swim with Dolphins in the destination. We will take this matter up with our destination teams and the relevant authorities.
Thank you once again for your email.
Best regards,
Simon
Simon Pickup
Sustainable Tourism Coordinator
Destinations and Sustainability
ABTA / FEDERATION OF TOUR OPERATORS
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Well done Rosy and well done Simon Pickup. Let's hope the tour ops start getting the message through to their customers before they go.
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There is a small tour shop called something like Exlathon (not sure exactly I think its new) on the main road in Ovacik with a board showing swim with Dolphins in Hisaronu.
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Yes what a good letter from Simon Pickup
Thanks Rosy
Lets hope all the reps make their holidaymakers aware of the situation, Its amazing how many people I have spoke to dont know about the dolphins even some who live over here!!
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A good positive reply, well done Rosey
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Thank god for ABTA Rosie,and for your stoic determination to get results. I have used this reply in my continued correspondance with Thomas Cook regarding dolphinaria in Turkey. I dont think they can find any argument with this reply whatsoever. Well done you xx
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Well done Rosy - just to let you know we have sent this response to a few key people in different organisations - you can never assume that everyone who should be, is actually aware of what else is happening and who might be involved - thanks for sending it on :)
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Media coverage coming up...
Comprehensive report about last weekend and some of the findings that have since come to light in this Monday Land of Lights - already in print so that's a certaintity.
Hello magazine coming out this Tuesday we believe - anyone in the UK coming soon can you bring a few copies over so we can all have a buchers...
Vince at the Sun is biding his time - waiting for the big scoop we reckon!
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More good news guys, Misha & Tom have made the Daily Express:
http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/193195/Investigator-Donal-MacIntyre-exposes-the-appauling-exploitation-of-two-dolphins
Who would have thought investigative reporter Donal MacIntyre (also the reporter on last week's ITV London Hisaronu report) would be married to an ex-dolphin trainer???
Lovely swipe at (quote) "the Irish bar across the street" too.
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I do apologise - Sunday Express :D
And a front page photo too:
(http://images.dailyexpress.co.uk/img/covers/257x330front/2010-08-15.jpg)
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What fantastic and most welcome publicity.
Hope that "glimmer of hope" brightens as a result and helps Born Free and the DA's in their negotiations with the Turkish Government.
Hang on a little longer Misha and Tom!
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an excellent article.....the more publicity like this the sooner Tom and Misha hopefully can get into rehab.
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Fantastic article, just hope the Turkish Gov't. take it on board and do something. £360,000 is a ludicrous amount of money. It was a bad business decision and they should accept the consequences.
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Rushing off to buy it now.......
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Absolutely brilliant. I always have a go at my mum for buying The Express. Not any more. Well done to The Express, Donal, Ameera, Born Free and of course DA.
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Good news :)
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Just read it online.. excellent publicity. Well done to all concerned. I bet a certain Irish Bar that gets a mention will not be too pleased with this publicity!!
Go to http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/193195/Investigator-Donal-MacIntyre-exposes-the-appalling-exploitation-of-two-dolphins
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This is really good news. Surely the Turkish Government will do something now. Hopefully before its to late. WELL DONE Dolphin Angels. (Sorry for shouting but thing its worth shouting about.)
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Bought the paper on the strength of this topic. Great article and good publicity for the fight.
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They all help - now a great article by Jeff Taylor at "The Economic Voice"
http://www.economicvoice.com/the-cruel-exploitation-of-dolphins-tom-and-misha/50012458#axzz0wfYEe1RS
Things are snowballing - how many different areas of media have to condemn this before the government in Turkey finally understand how primitive this vile little Russian is making their country look in the eyes of the whole World?
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Just been on my soapbox in Tesco and got loads of people to buy this paper. They became more interested when I told them we had been arrested for raising this plight many moons ago. Some promised to join the campaign.
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Best supermarket in Ovacik still has a few copies of todays Sunday Express...
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How many idiotswill be rushing for a health check tomorrow: :):D: :)
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You would think with the knowledge that Turkey hates to be criticised, that they would step up to the plate, get some much needed brownie points and end this atrosicity once and for all.
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http://www.landoflights.net/local-news/dolphin-angels-and-born-free-appear-on-uk-tv-in-misha-tom-rescue-bid-4626.html
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Originally posted by Dolphin Angels
http://www.landoflights.net/local-news/dolphin-angels-and-born-free-appear-on-uk-tv-in-misha-tom-rescue-bid-4626.html
Excellent news!
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There has been good media coverage in the last few days.
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Fabulous article, have added a comment in praise of the article
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We're off to Olu Deniz on September 13th 2010 for 10 nights...
I have followed this story right from the beginning: it really tugs at my heart strings.
Please let me know if there is anything at all that I can do, have signed all the petitions, and have written to the local mayor, back in June, and have encouraged friends and family to do the same.
Just want to say that everyone is doing such a fantastic job - you should be so proud of yourselves :)
Lx
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My first thought when I saw your name was Lady Luck has visited the page. Hope you brought luck for the dolphins with you ;)
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Seen this in the Fethiye Times.
"The Mayor of Fethiye was walking along the promenade in Fethiye with his family one evening early in the week when he saw a seagull, on the ground, struggling to breathe.
He picked it up and drove it straight to the Animal Welfare Centre, where the vet operated and removed a length of fishing line.
Within an hour of the operation the seagull had regained consciousness and the vet told local reporters: "We shall be releasing the gull in a couple of days.""
Shame he wasn't walking in Hisaronu and seen 2 dolphins struggling to survive.
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A good observation Haggis2010 although it should be pointed out that the Mayor of Fethiye isn't the mayor for Hisaronu.
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First a little bit of good news...
The good news is that the Bursa shopping centre with a Dolphin Park in a basement has closed due to lack of interest, and errrr it cost a lot of money to feed two Dolphins! £150,000pa!
The two Dolphins from Bursa have been moved to Bodrum which isn't such good news if you believe the place for Dolphins is free in the sea.
http://www.bighaber.com/yunus-eglence-merkezi-ilgisizlikten-kapandi-yunuslar-bodruma-goturuldu/
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Now here is a warning...
yesterday a possibly Ukraniun man, dressed in a Marmaris Dolphin Park t-shirt alleging to be the cousin of the owner of Marmaris Dolphin Park (who is German) and a well dresses British woman were in a well known and popular restaurant in Fethiye, the Mulberry Tree.
After he had investigated the Born Free Live Free poster and Dolphin bags and generally had a good old nosey he demanded of the proprieter that he wanted to talk about Dolphins and who were and where could he find the Dolphin Angels.
Christine who has been a staunch support for the cause from day 1 gave him short thrift and sent him packing suggesting that he direct any enquiries he has to Born Free.
Now it could be something or nothing. Maybe he's heard we are in the market for a couple of Dolphins and has got two going spare. Who knows.
But, if you do encounter these people then mums the word but if they volunteer any info about what they want do please pass it on.
Thanks
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I have just got back from Turkey and was staying in a very nice hotel up in the hills. whilst there I warned other tourists of the plight of misha & Tom and that they should sign up the Born free website. While we were staying there was a very influential meeting going on and when asked who someone was it said Minister of Turkey and perhaps word is getting around. Have seen the latest publications of Born Free and the investegative journalist getting on the case from London Tonight. Must be all those emals and letters from us all. People power!!Keep it up. I have spread the word amongst the workers as I speak a little Turkish.
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Originally posted by Dolphin Angels
Now here is a warning...
yesterday a possibly Ukraniun man, dressed in a Marmaris Dolphin Park t-shirt alleging to be the cousin of the owner of Marmaris Dolphin Park (who is German) and a well dresses British woman were in a well known and popular restaurant in Fethiye, the Mulberry Tree.
After he had investigated the Born Free Live Free poster and Dolphin bags and generally had a good old nosey he demanded of the proprieter that he wanted to talk about Dolphins and who were and where could he find the Dolphin Angels.
Christine who has been a staunch support for the cause from day 1 gave him short thrift and sent him packing suggesting that he direct any enquiries he has to Born Free.
Now it could be something or nothing. Maybe he's heard we are in the market for a couple of Dolphins and has got two going spare. Who knows.
But, if you do encounter these people then mums the word but if they volunteer any info about what they want do please pass it on.
Thanks
Although the action of the owner of the Mulberry Tree is commendable, its a shame you did not get the opportunity to speak to him. I know it sticks in the throat to actually talk to some one from the Marmaris Dolphin Park but he may have had some information that may (I say may) have been useful. Info I am talking about could have been;
* He had been offered the dolphins at a price.
* He was down to inspect the dolphins prior to accepting them.
* He was down inspecting the dolphins and was not going to take them
* He could know the real price they will accept for the dolphins (although buying them is not an option).
* He may know where the Russian actually is.
* He may have two more dolphins to add to rehab as you mention :D
He also may have wanted to voice his 'disapproval' of what is going on here but I am sure that there are many of us here, me 1st in line, to offer their services as 'bodyguards' so things would not get out of hand.
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He will be able to ask Born Free all of these questions.
With over 20,000 "Dolphin Angels" it would be hard to give him an answer. We have all just been promoted!!!!!!!!!
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A Dolphin Angel reports as follows
"Did a drive by Dolphin Park at 12 noon and just returned same way (15.30). Gates closed and locked (seemingly). Absolutely NO-ONE around pool or elsewhere in park. VERY QUIET.......Did see two bottle-nosed dolphins bobbing in the water though,..
Is this the beginning of the end, is our plan coming into play?
Watch this space for the latest developments as they happen.
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An update from a facebook group member - not good news please read below.
"Sadly I saw that too & hoped it had closed, but when I went by just after 3.30pm it was open and I could see the legs of tourists in there. I did shout out the car window as I went by that the water was contaminated, but whether they took heed or not I'll never know"
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Thanks for letting us know...
Maybe the word has finally spread and bookings are drying up!
Lets all be vigilant though and report any unusual activity please
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You can if you wish now make a donation directly to Born Free to support their efforts to free Misha and Tom two Bottlenose Dolphins held in captivity in a small concrete tank up a mountain without a sea view... (just in case you only just joined us)
They have been held captive for more than 70 days and live in a cess pit riddled with parasites and other unmentionables.
Thousands of people have brought the campaign to free them to the attention of the world. Many have dedicated the past few months to working tirelessly to see them, not just set free, but rehabilitated and released back to the sea where they belong.
Now we have Born Free on our side already making a huge investment in the planning and preparation that is necessary in the event that Misha and Tom are released into their care.
The rehabilitation will take several months and involve the employment of specialist experts.
If you would like to make a direct donation to support Born Free's work to put Tom and Misha back in the sea please follow the link below, scroll down the page and click where it says
Donate now and support Born Free's campaign to free Misha and Tom
Once you have chosen an amount you can specify that you want your donation to go to Tom and Misha campaign as follows...
(please state where indicated that you would like the funds to go to the Turkish dolphin campaign)
http://www.bornfree.org.uk/campaigns/zoo-check/captive-whales-dolphins/hisaronu-dolphins/
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So can we still donate to Animal Aid or have Born free taken over the fund raising?
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A message from Born Free for those that aren't on the Facebook group.
"Born Free Foundation is doing all they can to try to ensure the protection of Tom and Misha, the two bottlenose dolphins housed at Dolphin Park in Hisaronu, Turkey.
Following the health check on Tom last week, Born Free is in communication with various parties in Turkey, in order to try and move things to a conclusion....
This is a very delicate situation, and we would ask supporters for patience, while various options are being explored.
Our vet, along with a Turkish colleague, has had a limited access to Misha and Tom but their findings are helping inform plans. For updates visit our Facebook page. Thank you". Daniel Turner Born Free
The Dolphin Angel team here on the ground is in daily contact with Born Free and a Turkish NGO SAD that is now involved and is an essential partner to help us achieve the result we want for Misha and Tom.
We have been able, and continue to provide not just support but invaluable information that has been gathered over the past few months that now informs much of the basis for the options being pursued.
We are not in a position to reveal the details of the options being pursued, as Daniel has said this is a delicate situation but rest assured that the work has not stopped, we are still working 24/7 on this and will continue to do so until this is finally concluded.
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quote:
Originally posted by Firo
So can we still donate to Animal Aid or have Born free taken over the fund raising?
You can still donate to animalaidfethiye@hotmail.com via paypal or you can also make a donation to one of us at our forthcoming functions, please make sure to let us know you want the money to go to the Dolphins or the Animal Shelter, :)when all our bills have been paid and the dolphins handed over to Bornfree all outstanding monies left over in the dolphin fund will be handed over to Born Free
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Thanks Andy for letting us know ;)
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POSTED BY LOUISE KING
Has anyone seen the dolphins in the last two days? Someone told me yesterday that one has died!!??
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THIS IS VERY URGENT
THERE IS UNCONFIRMED REPORTS THAT 1 OF THE DOLPHINS HAS DIED. IF ANYONE IS ON THE GROUND OUT THERE CAN THEY PLEASE FIND OUT.
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OMG .....praying hard this isn't true.
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If the person heard this yesterday the DA's/FB and BF would have known by now?? Praying it's just a stupid rumour.
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Will go to DP now and report back here
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On facebook They are both alive and OK
http://www.facebook.com/home.php#!/group.php?gid=358308272654&ref=ts
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have been in to the Dolphin Park.
I waited until I saw both Misha and Tom surface at the same time because the floor of the pool is so black with faeces and dead fish that you can not see them in the shadows of the pool.
The subsidence around the pool is even worse than when Donal filmed.
I wonder if the pool may not collapse in on itself.
Have asked Daniel to post on the FB group that both Misha and Tom are still alive.
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Thanks DA's. Terrible reading about the pool conditions though. Let's hope the dolphins are freed soon.
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Just returned from a month in Turkey and could not leave without going to Hisaronu after reading about them in the land of lights, that one was maybe not all that great. We found the park and saw a man / bouncer sat outside, I pleaded ignorant to having any knowledge about the whole sorry affair, I said to the man there are really two live dolphins in there to which he replied with some caution first of all yes there are would you like to swim with them I said oh I am not a good swimmer so no I am too scared he said £50 each to swim I have life jackets you can do it for 100 lira for two of you, I said no I am too scared he said come on (at this point he had let his guard down I had already said to husband I am going to act like a dumb blonde no change there then he said!)the man said oh come on I have six year old children that swim with them I still said no but could I go into the (very trashy may I add) park and just take a look at the dolphins and maybe take some pictures for my son he said no pictures allowed but for 15 lira we could go in and have a look, i was desparate to have a look at Micha and Tom but could not line his pockets with even one lira, so we left but went to the side where the stuff on the fence has been pulled down I stayed for about 30 mins and in that time I saw one dolphin every two or three minutes just bob out of the water disappear and then bob again no sign of the other one at all. The whole place was deserted not a soul in sight place looked a shambles and even more so after seeing it with my own eyes this place needs to be closed. We had spoke to several booking agents for trips who were very vemenet in there disgust for the place but unfortunately I left their leaflets in our apartment so can not remember who they were, unlike a worker for Hamish McTurk who practically chased me off the prom one evening after enquiring about booking several trips and then asking do you do dolphin swim "oh yes you can swim with dolphins" to which I replied sorry I will have to book my trips elsewhere, he was really shouting at me it is not your country you can not come here and tell me what to do I do not want to talk to you go away just go away dont know what passers by made of it all, but gave me some satisfaction. Hope Micha and Tom get set free really soon it is even more upsetting to see the place for real and to know they are in that hell hole.
Keep up the great work dolphin angels.
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Good report Karennina.
We had a scare yesterday when someone alleged that one was dead. We have had it checked out and there are still two dolphins there.
Well done for showing what an ass HMCTURK and his workers are: :) ;):D
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Hamish McTurk, once again putting money first and animal suffering...well..nowhere...
Well done Karennina, what a great dumb blonde you are! ;)
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Karennina this is a brilliant account of what is happening at the HELLHOLE - McTURK recently squealed his innocence of selling trips to the dolphin park...... once a liar always a liar. It must have been very distressing for you to see first hand the conditions the dolphins are living in.
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Yes and we were also given a version of events on CBF to ponder where Hamish McTurk only got involved with the dolphinarium because they thought it would be good, and wouldn't have touched it with a barge pole had they seen the revolting conditions the poor creatures ended up in. Well, they are living in that contaminated, tiny hole and here we have Hamish McTurk, happy to sell tickets.
Shameful :-\
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"wouldn't have touched it with a barge pole had they seen the revolting conditions the poor creatures ended up in. Well, they are living in that contaminated"
Living might be a bit strong Scunner.
Existing and being held to ransom is maybe nearer the mark.[:(!]
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quote:
Originally posted by Scunner
They all help - now a great article by Jeff Taylor at "The Economic Voice"
http://www.economicvoice.com/the-cruel-exploitation-of-dolphins-tom-and-misha/50012458#axzz0wfYEe1RS
Things are snowballing - how many different areas of media have to condemn this before the government in Turkey finally understand how primitive this vile little Russian is making their country look in the eyes of the whole World?
I e mailed Jeff here and here it is and his reply
Hi Julie,
We're very keen to do a follow up, so if you have any extra information for us it would be great!
Regards ........... Jeff
On 15/08/2010 23:18, Julie Peach wrote:
Brilliant article
Please help us
Lots about the campaign
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Though Im sure youve already seen so sorry if you are getting too much spam
Thanks again for raising awareness xxxx
I will again point him towards any news anywhere
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Are the Tee Shirts still on sale - and if so where in Hisaronu can people buy them? Thanks
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They should have some left in Golfinger or Cadianda Tours, if not I have some here.
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Please can you help, we urgently need the following information in the following format e.g. WDCS, UK Cathy Williamson plus email
1. Organisations worldwide that have expressed an interest in Misha and Tom.
2. Named person in organisation
3. Direct email address
Post below so everyone can see it to avoid repetition. We have a very easy, specific, but urgent task for them.
We need to coordinate a very tight response to our request but don't want to overwhelm the NGO's we are asking to do this so we will contact them directly and also ask the person that posts to do the same with the same info so you will be contacted if you post.
Thank you
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http://larrykinglive.blogs.cnn.com/2010/08/23/exclusive-dolphins-don't-just-die-in-"the-cove"/
Ric O'Barry Exclusive on Larry King Live - "Dolphins don't just Die"
That is on midday here in Turkey Digiturk Channel 124 CNN News and 10am in the UK on CNN News on Sky
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I still cannot believe that UK tourists are still going to this fiasco, just this week I have told 3 lots not to go, they came to our office asking for tickets, and were shown a photocopy of the Express newspaper article which I have thanks to Jo from Fez bar, thankfully they changed their agenda.... at Activities we are still sharing the word
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Good work umpy. I wonder what the situation would be if one of these morons was to catch some serious marine disease linked to human contact with dolphin 'waste'. Surely their insurance would never pay out?
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Jeff Taylor from "The Economic Voice" website said he would like to do a follow up article after writing the one reported here previously. Well, he's done just that:
http://www.economicvoice.com/for-tom-and-misha-the-turkish-torture-continues/50012611#axzz0xntc762Y
Another excellent article, thanks Jeff.
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Brilliant piece and I have just sent the letter via email to the Turkish Embassy here in France.
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I've sent it to Sad and the Turkish consulate in the UK.
Excellent article and I have shared it with the FB group.
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Ive just copied and sent
Firo would you be able to pass on the email address for the Tukish Consulate here in the UK please?
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Hello Flipflop2 and hello everyone else... I just want to quickly introduce myself... I'm Ruth and I work for Thomas Cook heading up their Sustainability team (yes we really do have one!) so this topic is particularly close to my heart. I've just found out about your discussion and no one here can find out where your letters landed but now I know about it, I'm really happy to chat to you. I have the full support of Thomas Cook as we're strong ambassadors of sustainability and certainly wouldn't shy away from any discussions about it.
The work that Simon from abta referred to was, in fact, led by Thomas Cook as it's something we really care about. We're absolutely with you on this and have been leading campaigns against the dolphinarium in Hisaronu right from the start, voicing our concerns at the very highest level. We continue to campain against it and tell our customers not to visit.
I'm happy to chat to you on this forum because we would hate you to think that Thomas Cook support (or ignore) this kind of thing.
Ruth
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You're very welcome here Ruthy, and thanks for taking the time to join and give us your information and thoughts. It is encouraging to read that one of the big tour operators into our area are so strongly with us on this horrible subject.
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The Economic Voice column - follow the link for the draft letter.
Please feel free to contact NGO's NOT ON THE LIST BELOW and ask them to write to the Turkish Embassy in their country and send the letter as a PDF or scan to SAD.
Individually please write to the Turkish Embassy if you want to BUT PLEASE DON'T SEND TO SAD - this at THEIR request.
If you want to post your letter on the discussion board under this topic then we will collate the responses from here on their behalf.
It is VERY important at this moment in time not to clog up SAD-DEMAG email box with hundreds of letters.
Thank you
http://www.economicvoice.com/for-tom-and-misha-the-turkish-torture-continues/50012611#axzz0xoKC1s3x
NGO's already contacted are as follows so NO NEED to contact them again
Born Free
daniel@bornfree.org.uk
WDCS - Cathy Williamson
cathy.williamson@wdcs.org
Jeff Taylor
jeff@economicvoice.com
The Sun Newspaper
vince.soodin@the-sun.co.uk
WDCF - Nicolas Entrup
info.de@wdcs.org
DOLPHIN REEF EILAT
info@dolphinreef.co.il - experienced in dolphin rehab and release
IFAW - International Fund for animal Welfare
info@ifaw.org
OCEAN CARE
info@oceancare.org
FreeThePod.org - Christopher Porter,
dolphins@freethepod.org
Marine Connection - Liz Sandeman
liz@marineconnection.org
Animal Friends Croatia - Anita Euschen www.animal-friends-croatia.org
animal-friends@inet.hr
Save the Dolphin - Davor Viskovic
drasko.holce@plavi-svijet.org
WDSF - Jürgen Ortmüller
wds-forum@t-online.de
International Dolphin Watch - Kris Simpson
idw@talk21.com
Campaign Whale - Save Japan Dolphins Coalition
Earth Island Institute - Mark Berman
berman@earthisland.org
www.SaveJapanDolphins.org
Mark Palmer
mpalmer@cal.net
The Dolphin Project
dolphinproject@bellsouth.net
The Black Fish
info@theblackfish.org
BBC correspondent Athens
malcolmbrabant@gmail.com
Greece and Cyprus
olgakikou@yahoo.com,
Sea Shepherd Darren Collis UK Coordinator
darren@seashepherd.org
uk@seashepherd.org
http://www.seashepherd.org/
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Ruthy
do you think Thomas Cook would be able to write a letter along the lines as outlined in Jeff Taylors column for the Economic Voice.
http://www.economicvoice.com/for-tom-and-misha-the-turkish-torture-continues/50012611#axzz0xoKC1s3x
The letter needs to go to the Turkish Embassy in the UK so that it can be processed through official channels.
However because this might take some time we are asking NGO's to also send a PDF or scan of the letter on headed paper to SAD-DEMAG so that it is in their hand immediately.
Here is the link to the column and at the bottom is an outline letter as an example of what needs to be said.
Very much hope you are able to help as the voice of Thomas Cook will carry a lot of weight.
Thanks
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Hi, have had a chat with abta about the letter as I think it would have more voice if came from them - they represent many different tour operators as well as Thomas Cook. They are sending a letter to the minister about this today, which mentions the animal welfare issues and the health and safety risks so they will also send this to the Turkish Embassy. Hope this helps!
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Thank you :)
Can they also please send the letter as a PDF or scan it and send it directly to SAD-DEMAG sad@sad.org.tr
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Turkish Consulate Uk
turkcons.london@mfa.gov.tr
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This is taken from the Born Free letter writing team "Activity" as written in their new Campaign Newsletter
The address of the Turkish Embassy in Britain is:
His Excellency, Unal Cevikoz,
Turkish Embassy
43 Belgrave Square
London
SW1X 8PA
Email: turkish.emb@btclick.com
...but please note this a letter writing campaign as this has greater impact.
Start the letter Your Excellency, and sign the letter
Yours sincerely and respectfully
Urge the Ambassador to rehome the dolphins for the sake of
public health and safety and for the welfare of the dolphins.
Say you understand that the Born Free Foundation is willing
to develop and fund a rehabilitation programme with SAD
(Sualti Arastirmalari Dernegi or ‘Underwater Research
Society').
Politely request the Ambassador to advise the
relevant Ministries in Turkey of the Born Free offer and
willingness to help. Thank you very much.
This is a letter writing campaign so although an email is fine a letter has more impact.
Live in Turkey and you want to write to the Turkish Government directly these are the contact details - you can send by recorded delivery -signed for - at the PTT for about few lira
T.C. Tarim ve Köyişleri Bakanligi
Mehmet Mehdi Eker
Tarim ve Köyişleri Bakanligi Kampüsü
Eskişehir Yolu 9 km.
Lodumlu / ANKARA
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My wife and I have both written letters to the Turkish Embassy
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Thank you :)
Letters to NGOs asking them to write to the Turkish Embassies now include
WWF Turkey
ARC - Animal Rights Cyprus - they closed all dolphinaria in Cyprus
also letter sent to David Cameron PM UK
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I am unable to open the link for economic voice. Tried to do a search and it keeps coming back not available.
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Heather, if you are still having difficulties,this might help. Please just google Economic Voice, and then click on their web page, search "dolphins"
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Ruthy I think then you must be heaven sent. I have sent many letters!!! I have asked for Thomas Cook's policy on dolphinariums worldwide which are using dolphins living in poor conditions and poor health. Sea Alanya has a notorious reputation yet there is a picture of this hellhole on page 18 of your Airtours Summer 2011 brochure... I would like to send you copies of my original letters, which I can retrieve from my hard drive. I am curious as to why you say no one has sight of my letters. Thomas Cook have never endorsed the swim with dolphins in Hisaronu, however, you do sell swim with dolphins elsewhere. As you have introduced yourself as a main point of contact with the issue of sustained tourism I will be glad to hear your comments, and would be grateful for your help. Thanks for being in touch. If you can give me a direct email address/guaranteed postal address for your department i would be grateful.
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I have email from them re feedback. Can now get on with the job..
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Looooong summer holidays, kids bored witless and driving you mad!
Here is a little project that Kath a FB member came up with that could give them something to do and give you a well earned break.
"why dont we get some children to 'write' simple letters and draw pictures of the dolphins".
What an excellent idea. The Turks love children.
These are the people and addresses that the letters and pictures should be sent to.
Minister of Agriculture and Rural Affairs
Mehmet Mehdi Eker
T.C. Tarim ve Köyişleri Bakanligi
Tarim ve Köyişleri Bakanligi Kampüsü
Eskişehir Yolu 9 km.
Lodumlu / ANKARA
Minister of Environment & Forestry
Prof. Dr. Veysel Eroglu
T.C. Çevre ve Orman Bakanligi
Özel Çevre Koruma Kurumu Başkanligi
Alparslan Türkeş Caddesi 31.Sok.
10 No'lu bina 06510
Beştepe/ Yenimahalle ANKARA
In Turkey or overseas send everything recorded delivery - it doesn't cost much and everything then has to be signed for, so you know it will be received. It also arrives more quickly sent this way.
Born Free Activate team, the guy that runs the web site and Cathy at WDCS have been contacted and asked to publicise.
If you know another organisation that will post this on their web site go right ahead and contact them.
Post it here and on FB topic in Discussions so we know what's been done.
If you know a play group, a summer play scheme a youth club or have contact with people that work with children then ask them if they can help too.
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Please check the following link for the latest on the next Fundraising event to contribute to the safe release and rehabilitation of Misha and Tom...
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Hi flipflop2, happy to help. I will try and find out where your letters went but am happy for you to email my department directly - sustainability@thomascook.com
Just to let you know I am away from Friday for a week as well, so please don't think I am ignoring you if you don't get a reply!
Oh and Sea Alanya - we don't actually sell this any more either; it was stopped due to the poor conditions but the brochures are printed up to 18 months in advance so it seems to have got in there by mistake. It's definitely not being sold to customers though!
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Hi Ruthy, oh this has really made my day!!!! Do you know if any other major tour operators still sell the trip to Sea Alanya??
Thanks for the reply.
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any chance of anyone going to check out the pool please-just told-padlocked-very quiet-no sounds at all from inside there.
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Someone on another forum has just come back from Hisaronu and said there were promotion signs outside the open gates, and lots of towels on the screen round the pool, and the entrance being manned by the Zabita.
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Originally posted by simpsons
Someone on another forum has just come back from Hisaronu and said there were promotion signs outside the open gates, and lots of towels on the screen round the pool, and the entrance being manned by the Zabita.
WHAT KIND OF PROMOTION SIGNS - THE SWIM WITH DOLPHINS OR NEW DIFFERENT SIGNS WHICH HAVENT BEEN DISPLAYED PREVIOUSLY?
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(http://i137.photobucket.com/albums/q214/highlander_010/hand20cupping20ear20small.jpg)
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Please don't type in all capitals, there's a good spider. You may have noticed that in 196 pages of this topic nobody typed in all capitals.
Thanks...
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quote:
Originally posted by simpsons
Someone on another forum has just come back from Hisaronu and said there were promotion signs outside the open gates, and lots of towels on the screen round the pool, and the entrance being manned by the Zabita.
Does anyone know if the dolphins ARE STILL THERE? Why now are the Zabita guarding the gates? Has anyone seen the dolphins there today?
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A better question is why weren't the zabita guarding the gates the day after it was proven that the water was unfit for humans. God knows how many humans have been in it since then. Zabita on the gates to prevent morons swimming in dolphin waste is progress, hopefully. At last.
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Yesterday, went passed DP, very quiet no one seemed to be around. Nadia's empty too. Maison tourism on Ovacik/Hisaronu main road were prepared to sell my Polish visitors tickets for £55 each with assurances it is a fun once in a lifetime activity! This must be because they know your chances of survival after swimming here are zilch.This firm run boat tours from Olu Deniz, so a good one to boycott
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Hi flipflop2, afraid I am not sure about the other operators and I don't want to make any presumptions in case I am wrong!
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Thanks Ruthy - I can find out via some other contacts. Once again many thanks
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quote:
Originally posted by Highlander
(http://i137.photobucket.com/albums/q214/highlander_010/hand20cupping20ear20small.jpg)
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Class Highlander Sarcasm at its best:D
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Thanks, but it didn't contribute anything to the thread:(
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On Tuesday all the promotional signs on the fence were taken down and taken inside. I passed today at 1600 and the gate was locked. There are still people in side the compound though.
Not sure what is happening, might need a daytime visit from someone
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hopefully someone is there to feed them.
It's fantastic that there are new people posting
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Like you :)
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Been locked before and opened up again:(
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Just wanted to say how great it is that these dolphins have been rescued and are in the care of Born Free. Here at Thomas Cook, we are asking all our staff to make a contribution to help with the care and rehabilitation. Great news!!
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Nice one Ruthy...it was fantastic news. 8):D
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Worth remembering how it all started now that it's ended :)
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I agree stoop! From seeing them in the 'Hellhole' and now back in the wild where they belong is unbelievable! I hope nobody has another bright idea like that again! :D:D:D
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Fantastic news - gives me goose bumps.
WELL DONE ALL:D
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I have just received the news about Misha & Tom. How fantastic for them!
This is done to all those who have done something whether big or small. People Power does work and needs to keep working for other captured dolphins.
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Yes - WE WILL make all captive dolphins a thing of the past! Where there is unison there is power - we will NEVER give up!
Swim free boys - back to the blue at last! Brilliant!!
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5 years ago yesterday...
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Good grief ???
PS Don't understand Re:\