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General Topics => Football => Topic started by: Jacqui Harvey on February 08, 2014, 15:20:16 PM
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Great match...Liverpool took Arsenal apart and scored 5 and even though Suarez did not score he played a great game and hit the crossbar. It could have been 7 for Liverpool. :o ;D
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Yes they really out played Arsenal,very impressive,
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good innit?
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Well, I am basking in the after glow.
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hi des. are u still with us? keep back from the kanal. lol
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Now that was a beating
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hi des. are u still with us? keep back from the kanal. lol
Nice one Jack, I,ll get you back for that. ;) Hope you like my new profile picture. ;) :)
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Impressive win and no excuses from Arsène Wenger. Just 6 points from Chelsea and who knows.
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Love it Des and you are such a good sport. ;D Should be more footie fans like you.. ;)
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I am a good sport Jacqui, but this was me yesterday. :D :D
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i take it u were the one on the right hand side. post if I am wrong. lol
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:) :)
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Sorry for my lateness in responding, currently out of the country with unreliable internet access. Although I did see the game on local TV, and Arsenal were bl**dy awful, even worse than against Mercenary City, where we showed some fight back!
I hope they can get it together for the next few months, and that this is not the start of the usual Wenger February where all challenges to all trophies fall away >:( >:(
So my analysis of the game - spare yourself you may have heard these views expressed before - is that apart from the lack of committment and steel from the players, and perhaps some whose head is already out of the club as they intend to join other clubs on a free at the end of the season, like so many before them. The rest of it is down to Wenger and his pig headedness. So here we go in bite sized chunks.
Zonal marking fails again, and in this game again from the same player!
Back four are great when they are playing against teams with a single striker, but they always get found out against teams playing two (or indeed more) strikers such as Manc teams, Scousers etc. When will Wenger learn that you have to set your team up to take on different opposition, you cannot simply rely on playing a particular style of play all the time, particularly when you do not have width and pace.
The absence again of a proper DM (particulalry in a game like this) to break down the opposition. It certainly aint Arteta who does not have the legs on the necessary steel, he is good for a man marking role but is not a PROPER DM. Why does he not play Vermallen in the role, in the absence of Flammini. On which point Wenger has consistently said he does not need a DM, well he should remember that his best teams had great DM like Vierra or Gilberto, and indeed Flammini the first time. On the latter Flammini fell into Wengers hands by luck more than judgement this season, and it has been in many ways a welcome return.
Wenger overplays his best players (often against the best medical and scientific information) and as a result we always suffer from tiredness and too many injuries, with extended recovery time often causing further injuries along the way of the recovery. On the other extreme he underplays his other squad players, who then lack playing time for both match sharpness and fitness. Not forgetting that some of these players become disgruntled as they do not think they are getting a fair crack of the whip over Wenger 'favourites'.
Everyone knew we needed another striker in January, that Giroud was looking a little shagged out and there was always the risk of injury. Billy Bendtner is not going to get us a trophy, and do not get me started on Bus Driver Poldoski leading the line a s a striker. Wenger needed to buy in January but he didn't, and now that is going to cost us. He did not need to buy the new number one striker, but somemone ideally with Premiership experience to do a stop gap job for three months..... blimey he could have got Berbatov. He has got to learn to spend money and indeed when to sell players on, even if at a loss, in order to keep the squad strong, fresh and competing. On which point I hope Wenger is not losing the' head' of Ozil who is looking both knackered and uninspired, much the same as Wengers last big buy Arshavin. We never got out of him what we should have, well apart from a four goal blitz against Liverpool at Anfield ;D ;D ;D
I could go on about other Wenger weaknesses, but my point is that he has taken the club so far (although not so far in the last three years) and it is time to move it on, so as you have heard from me before 'Wenger Out', not based upon the last poor performance but based upon a continuing string of weaknesses and pig headedness that is not moving the club on.
Finally having said all that, I'd rather have Wenger than 'Maureen Lite Rogers' any day of the week ;) ;)
Come on you Gunners a veritable feast of Football ahead against the Manure, Das Bosch and of course the rematch, cup wise, against the Red Scousers.
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And who would you have to replace Mr Wenger Pete? Arsenal 1st or 2nd in the P L for the last 7 months, pretty poor performance there for a manager eh. : :)
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Good review UBT but you missed one important detail. Liverpool played brilliantly.
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Good review UBT but you missed one important detail. Liverpool played brilliantly.
george they played brilliantly because we allowed them to.
Des there are no trophies for being number one or two for much of the season. It is now, at the business end of the season that matters when you actually win trophies, and it is that time when your manager has to deliver a winning team/ squad with a strategy that runs the team in to the end of the season and hopefully a trophy or two. In case you have forgotten since 2009 when money and resources have been available Arsene has failed to do that, and the rot usually starts early in February. I hope I am wrong, and we win a trophy or two, but historical evidence suggests otherwise.
I could sit here and list out various managers who could do as good as and probably better than Arsene, but that would simply be a waste of effort, because the first step needs to that the club or AW decides to go.
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Wenger should get a jacket without a zip...That seems to be the core of all his problems. ;D
Note to self....Never resort to name calling another team or team Manager it tends to look like frustration and possibly jealousy. ;)
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Think people might like to see that list of managers Pete, I certainly would. ;) and a very fair point from Jacqui I have to say. :)
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Ah Des simply asking me to draw up a list is not the answer. I thought. I had explained that already, and can I take your non response to the other points I made, some sort of tacit agreement that there might be something in what I am saying?
Note to self, stick to the shopping, otherwise people might miss out on the bargains.
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Obviously, Mr Tickets, as a man, you do not understand multi tasking. As a woman, I can love and follow Football, but also be a good shopper too. ;) ;D
Note to Des...wish all Arsenal supporters could be as nice as you are.. ;D
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Arsenal...one trick pony
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USB I bet you wish Wenger was as good as shopper as jacqui.lol
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ur new logo seemed to have helped the pool tonight. lol
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An equally impressive result tonight - coming back to win away is an attribute of good teams
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We had a power cut for most of the night so had to rely on telephone calls for scores. However, power came back so was able to watch the Liverpool match on Sky later on. Great win for us and have to say no one would believe that Fulham are at the bottom of the league the way they have played their last two matches.
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could not help but notice ur logo has changed back to the gunners. great what one result will do mate. lol
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They had to win Jack, I was running out of club badges, ;) although my next one just might be German. :-\
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Well done Des you must be happy, but time for Howard Webb to hang up his boots, unless of course he was to go to Specs Savers..
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Thank you Jacqui, I thought Howard Webb had retired, didn't Fergie give him his retirement watch, you know the one that shows a 95 minute plus game till United scored. ;) :) :)
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Ah Des good to see the colours raised again. Do you know if they found that sniper in the crowd yesterday? You know the one that shot Suarez and sent him tumbling like a chinese acrobat?
Too right on Webb needing to go to Spec Savers, why didn't he give Gerrard the second yellow and consequential sending off.
Looking forward to Wednesday when we play Zee Germans ...... Wenger Out. ;)
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Man of the match for Arsenal, Howard Webb,/-?
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got a point there davybill. if that tackle had happened midfield it was a definite foul. maybe suarez reputation for diving!! persuaded howard webb not to award a stonewall penalty. thought Liverpool deserved a draw, sorry des,
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Fair comment Jack, but suarez has only brought it on himself, the ref,s are aware of him now, the same as they were of another guy called Drop down Drogba. Suarez still the best striker in the league though, just think if Arsenal had offered 40.000,002 he would have been ours. ;) :)
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Des I've heard the "he brought it on himself" comment a 1,000 times and if it was a 50/50 decision then I might understand the referee airing on past performance, however this was a bit different, Suarez was tackled at knee height, well within the penalty area with Howard Webb just feet away with a completely unobstructed view.
I understand why some don't like Suarez but he's had to pay the price for his past indiscretions, I wonder what price Howard Webb will pay for what I would describe as cheating ?
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Have to agree George. This was debated on the T.V. after the match and all agreed it was a definite penalty. It was also said that Suarez was renown for diving a while ago, but he does not do it now.
However, the main point here is: The Referee is there to officiate at the match and he should make decisions fairly on what has happened, he should not be taking into account any past history, that is not his job. On this occasion Webb was right in front of the play and there was no doubt he saw the foul. So, he was the dishonest one and not Suarez. There were other incidents that deserved a booking in this match including the Gerrard second foul.
It's also really annoying when Referees can make any decisions they like and not be accountable. Time for the Video Judge just like in Rugby, it's a much fairer way. One has to consider there is now so much riding on football decisions these days, Referees should be more accountable.
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Agree with you 100%, that's why I am one who thinks video technology should be brought in for the penalty area too, it is working for goal line decisions so why not in the box. I am not advocating for the whole pitch. lets face it the ref has a very hard job with the way the pace of football is played, and the linesmen cant keep up with the game either. and as for 4th officials. what use they are I don't know. I do follow your point.
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The rules don't allow for past actions or reputations and it was without doubt a penalty. Controversial perhaps, but I think if he'd dropped the last ridiculous contorted twist he'd have got the penalty. That little action made it look like a clown had been felled by a machine gun.
As I said, it was a penalty but his antics would make any ref wonder if it was playacting. No need, he was felled, just fall man.
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Sorry Scunner, it would have made no different to Webb how many turns Suarez made. Webb makes his own rules. As soon as my son Paul and I saw who the ref was yesterday, we looked at each other and said "Oh no"
Webb should be put back in Fergies Garden Shed for good.
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Repost for all who missed it. VIDEO TECHNOLOGHY. Rugby can do it and they are real men. :)
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Sorry Scunner, it would have made no different to Webb how many turns Suarez made.
So you believe that there are no circumstances in which Webb would award a penalty for a foul on Suarez?
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Yes, or maybe no, perhaps if he was feeling like it, perhaps if he had a pain in his bum...who knows. He probably thought two penalties might be too much for his least favourite team.. Whatever, there is no redress in line for him, so why should he care??
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Always cheated never defeated
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Got it in one.. particularly if Webb is involved. :o :D
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;D ;D ;D
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Would video technology have got Gerrard sent of yesterday? I suspect not as most of the supporters for video technology only want it applied for very restricted scenarios 'in game' like penalty incidents, not for all unclear, unseen or dubious incidents that the ref may or not spot. You either apply it to all incidents or none, otherwise what is the point?
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two awful games by Webb has cost us bad this season, no penalty against Chelsea (against suarez) and not sending Eto off, was as bad as Sundays effort.
On the plus side the consensus seems to be that Liverpool were the better side, twice as many shots, more possession, if we keep playing like that away from home home against the big sides the results will come
also Martin Skrtel has been cuddling forwards all season and we've not given away one penalty for it, so swings and roundabouts
12 cup ties, bring it on
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Possibly - but Man Utd winning the Champions League (very easy draw next round and then anything could happen) could really cost you if you now finish 4th ???
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There are no easy draws in the champions league now Iran?
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Sorry Ian
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i know Arsenal need to watch out
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i know Arsenal need to watch out
Yer that's what all the Spud supporters told us when Chelski reached the finals of the CL ..... and so our joy was boundless when we took third place and Chelski won the CL and poor old old Tottingham had to continue to play on a Spursday evening in the Europa League.
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Liverpool had more than enough chances to win the game, but did not take them. End of their cup run.Do they really care, I don't think so because they want Europe more that the F A Cup this season.
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Webb has been rubbish since he got the World Cup gig! He thinks he's a celebrity. Did you see his face when that player touched his chest? If looks could kill!
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...then let him off without even a card.
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From the Telegraph.
Howard Webb was removed from a celebrity website advertising his £4,000-a-night after-dinner speaking following accusations he was “losing his focus”.
Webb was listed as a client of the website www.comedians.co.uk – an agency representing numerous high-profile figures from sport, politics and entertainment – but describing itself as “the one stop shop for comedy”.
His fee was advertised as between £2,000 to £4,000.
The official – who was criticised for his performance in Arsenal’s 2-1 FA Cup victory over Liverpool on Sunday – promptly had his name, profile and any reference to his speaking activities erased once it was made public on Monday morning.
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My son was telling me about that. We thought it was a shame as he would have been so welcome to be an after dinner speaker at Anfield. I am sure everyone would have clubbed together to pay his fee. ;D ;)
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Spot on Jacqui. isn't it strange people are finally picking up about howard webb, after what we have been talking about for years. :)
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I note the Arsenal supporters have gone a bit quiet. So, what's the opinion. Mine is Bayern did not play well at the beginning of the match and Arsenal could have scored. I also think that both penalties where awful. Arsenals was the worst, it was really bad, why did Wenger let him take it when he has missed the last three?? I think some of the penalty takers need to study Steve G.
However, IMO the goalie should have just received a yellow card as the sending off killed the game.
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Straight red, the goalie can't be allowed to do that because of what game it is.
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I'll give you that on Stevie G on the penalties, but you have to understand the AW mentality which is when you are a favoured son of Wenger you can do what ever you want, and get away with poor performance. In Ozil's case on the performance front he has been at best poor since before xmas, and I am not sure it is as simple as he is tired out, there is something else going on either in his head or outside of football. We may never know the answer, but all I want is for him to get his head straight and regain his form.
And what do you do when your main striker 'plays away', what a pratt.
However, can I remind you that we beat zee Germans 2-0 away last year at the same stage of the CL. Why can we not do so again, or better still 3-0 and avoid the need for penalties ... doh not penalties again ;) ;)
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Who are you calling a prat UBTT ? ;D
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I note the Arsenal supporters have gone a bit quiet. So, what's the opinion. Mine is Bayern did not play well at the beginning of the match and Arsenal could have scored. I also think that both penalties where awful. Arsenals was the worst, it was really bad, why did Wenger let him take it when he has missed the last three?? I think some of the penalty takers need to study Steve G.
However, IMO the goalie should have just received a yellow card as the sending off killed the game.
No Opinion necessary Jacqui, they were beaten by a better team. did notice it was a bit quiet in Manchester too though. ;)
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Some of these refs think they are celebs! Webb is one and he needs to get back to doing what he used to do - run the game and let it flow. Stop all the gestures and looks for the camera and just concentrate on the game.
There is still a good ref in there somewhere but he's had his head turned by the celeb lifestyle and the obvious money that he can earn on the circuit.
Gone are the days when the crowd could sing 'who's the barsteward in the black?' and mean it. We all know who they are these days and they know it.
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I reckon if Howard Webb was ref,u might have a chance. At Bayern,USB'
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I note the Arsenal supporters have gone a bit quiet. So, what's the opinion. Mine is Bayern did not play well at the beginning of the match and Arsenal could have scored. I also think that both penalties where awful. Arsenals was the worst, it was really bad, why did Wenger let him take it when he has missed the last three?? I think some of the penalty takers need to study Steve G.
However, IMO the goalie should have just received a yellow card as the sending off killed the game.
No Opinion necessary Jacqui, they were beaten by a better team. did notice it was a bit quiet in Manchester too though. ;)
Yes Des not much to shout about up here. Beaten fair and square, no complaints.
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I note the Arsenal supporters have gone a bit quiet. So, what's the opinion. Mine is Bayern did not play well at the beginning of the match and Arsenal could have scored. I also think that both penalties where awful. Arsenals was the worst, it was really bad, why did Wenger let him take it when he has missed the last three?? I think some of the penalty takers need to study Steve G.
However, IMO the goalie should have just received a yellow card as the sending off killed the game.
No Opinion necessary Jacqui, they were beaten by a better team. did notice it was a bit quiet in Manchester too though. ;)
Yes but not as quiet as Liverpool where there was no CL football ;)