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Election and After
« on: June 06, 2015, 10:44:41 AM »
Just been to the "off licence" to pick up stocks for tomorrow. Sitting in bar with an Efes now pondering the outcome/s. I take it for granted that AKP will win and by quite a way {but look what anyone knew in the UK election}. If it is an AKP win will be be enough to get the 330 seats Erdogan needs to to fulfill his plans to transfer constitutional power to the Presidency, set him up as Sultan of Turkey, Caliph of the Islamic World and Supreme Commander of the Universe? Betting money says AKP will fall short of this target. But will AKP do a deal, coalition perhaps, with another party to get to 330. If HDP, the Kurdish party, gets over the 10% line needed to take seats in Parliament would they do a deal to sell RTE the power he wants in return for a semi-autonomous/autonomous "Kurdistan" within Turkey? {The strange sound you hear is Ataturk spinning in his grave}.

Anybody got any thoughts/guesses on the matter?



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Re: Election and After
« Reply #2 on: June 06, 2015, 13:55:44 PM »
Grim stuff.

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Re: Election and After
« Reply #3 on: June 06, 2015, 15:37:36 PM »
UK and other opinion polls results of late have been very poor indicators of outcome, so can you trust the Turkish ones?  If they are correct - and the last official ones were some days ago - the HDP will cross the 10% threshold obtain seats, and perhaps more importantly there will be no transfer of HDP votes/seats to other parties, that has previously assisted the AKP.  The overall AKP vote is predicted to fall, then we are likely to see AKP as the largest party but with no overall majority so likely outcome will be a coalition AKP and Nationalist MHP government.  On that basis Reg's grandiose plans for a Presidential democracy are out of the window, as indeed are any plans for any Kurdish homelands, whether in an independent, semi-autonomous or in any other form.

In the AKP/MHP scenario the most interesting thing will be whether the new government will put Prez Reg into a 'constitutionally correct ceremonial Presidency' box or whether the AKP Ministers and Deputies continue to take orders, and indeed report to Prez. Reg, rather than the Prime Minister.  And more importantly will their MHP coalition partners put up with it?

One thing is for sure, the election is unlikely to immediately settle the big issues facing Turkey.  Whatever the election outcome, the ride will be more than a little bumpy, politically, economically and socially for Turkey and it's people in the next few months.

My predicition - for what it is worth - is that Prez Reg will almost guarantee it will get worse, before it gets even a little better.  He is not someone capable of building alliances, only seeing the 'us' and the rest being enemies, and he will abuse the Presidential position to push things his way.  Particularly after he is denied all that he wants by the democratic ballot, you will see the even more terrible Reg come out.  Hope I am wrong, and that there enough people in politics, business, police, judiciary, and even the Army to face him down.

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Re: Election and After
« Reply #4 on: June 07, 2015, 13:50:31 PM »
I realize now that I was wrong to characterize the HDP as the "Kurdish party". It used to be, but since then it seems to expanded its appeal by promoting other issues as well and attracting various "progressives", feminists. ethnic minorities, and LGBT groups. Good luck to them.

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Re: Election and After
« Reply #5 on: June 07, 2015, 18:01:17 PM »
Not liking the sale of alcohol ban today. Polis even driving round restaurants to check.

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Re: Election and After
« Reply #6 on: June 07, 2015, 18:14:53 PM »
and now there are 2 plain clothes cops  with walkie talkies.

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Re: Election and After
« Reply #7 on: June 07, 2015, 18:16:29 PM »
So will CBF the first to bring us the result? Will there be flashing headlines on the front page? When will Toky get her drink?

CNN Turk has published early partial results suggesting that, so far, AKP is polling 43.6% - not enough for single-party majority. HDP is put at 10.6% which is enogh to let them take their seats,

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Re: Election and After
« Reply #8 on: June 07, 2015, 18:18:30 PM »
95% of votes counted and HDP currently have more than 10% of the vote...   :)

Looks unlikely that AKP will get the 367 seats it needs for constitutional change.

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Re: Election and After
« Reply #9 on: June 07, 2015, 18:23:24 PM »
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