Calis Beach and Fethiye Turkey Discussion Forum
Other Local Resorts & Areas => Koca Calis & Ciftlik Discussion Forum => Topic started by: stoop on April 23, 2013, 10:33:14 AM
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We are probably going to have our top veranda made into a bedroom this year. Firstly if anyone has had it done can they give me an idea of cost.
Secondly if anyone is thinking of having it done (locally) it might be worthwhile getting together to see if we can get a cheaper quote if a few of us have it done at the same time.
I think it was frowned upon at one time but many of the Turkish owners, including some committee members, have had it done. We rarely sit up there and it seems a good idea now that more of us want to go at the same time.
For those that don't know our complex here is a picture. If you look at the house on the far left it has already been done with something similar to what we want.
Thanks
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Stoop - funnily enough I have asked a builder today who was working on our site to quote me for opening up a roof terrace on the back of our apartment and he said "you really need permission from the belediye" so I said "fine we will do that" - to which he said "they will say no - they always say no"
So I will give you a price to do it and a price to put it back and if you save the tiles we take off for a year or so we can put it back if we have to - this will only happen if a neighbour complains - do you have any neighbours who don't like you?"
Now I am very popular so hopefully not a problem ;)
Food for thought ?
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We got fined 2500tl 8 years ago for changing the look of the outside by Ciftlik Belediye.
They didnt make us change it back and apparently the planning application would have cost the same as the fine.
I would check first.
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Seems it is frowned upon but only if your property fronts the roadside which ours doesn't. Many of the comittee members who originally said it wasn't allowed have had theirs done.
Thanks anyway. We will look into it with whichever builder we choose.
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I understood that ıf you dıd ıt you paıd a fıne as you are ıncreasıng your lıvıng permıssıon. The changes made to the buıldıng wıll be left untıl you try and sell then ıt would have to be taken back to orıgınal buıld because the changes are not on your orıgınal buıldıng plan.
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Cheers Quackers. I guess we can live with that. It's only two double glazed sides and an air con unit after all. Might be worth asking around to see if those who have already done it have had to pay a fine.
Thing is it is not an extension as it is already within the property - we are simply blocking in the veranda. Many have done it and one even blocked in their bottom veranda to make a conservatory. I hear they got grief for that as it fronted the road but its still there after about 5 years. I think you might know where I mean.
If we do sell I'm sure we can come to some arrangement with the buyer - even take it down and sell it back ;-)
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It may be wıthın the property but you wıll be turnıng ıt ınto an extra lıvıng space (an extra bedroom) In the Uk you would need plannıng permıssıon and the same applıes out here. They lıke to keep all propertıes on complex's (sıte's) the same. My frıend dıd the same as you want to and was fıned 2000tl and had to take the roof down to a lower level and ıt would all have to be removed ıf he sells. As I understand ıt you can put canılever glass or plastıc around your balcony as ıt ıs not a permanent fıxture.
There ıs a vılla on Çağrı Kent that has made hıs balcony another lıvıng space and ıt ıs cantılever glass and so ıs the one on Çıcek Sıtesı but there are ones wıth permanent closed ın to balconıes. The vılla on the Sıte opposıte me ıs addıng bedrooms to hıs top floor (turkısh owned) does he have plannıng permıssıon , who knows but I bet he asked hıs neıghbours fırst ıf they would object rather than spend hard earned money and ıt was wasted . Also had an englısh frıend who's turkısh neıghbours wanted to put a balcony on they're apartment and he was asked for hıs permıssıon as ıt overlooked hıs property. He wrote a letter to the Beledıyere and gave permıssıon.
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We would be adding two Upvc and glass sides which would have sliding doors I think. Loads have done it on our site over the last few years. No roof required or brickwork. So the only thing to remove would be the Upvc sides.
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Oh - in the UK you would do it under building regulations I think. We have just converted our garage into living space and no planning permission required.
As I said - it might be best to discuss it with those who have done it before we go ahead.
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So - would two sets if patio doors be classed as permanent? That's what many have done - like the one in the picture (the owner is/ was the site manager).
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You need your neighbours to agree too. 8) 8)
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We wanted another bedroom and looked into it. We are not allowed to built up or out because of the measurement of land around our place (which we thought was plenty).. Bummer, we love the house and the location and don't want to move, but would love another bedroom..
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You need your neighbours to agree too. 8) 8)
That will be easy.
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In all seriousness, your friendship with your neighbours needs to last forever. If Ronaldo sold and new owners came in 2023, they could complain and you'd have to remove and reinstate.
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Point taken Keith however as there are at least half a dozen, maybe more, who have already done this (including Turkish committee members) I can't see it being a problem we will worry about too much. If we have to make it as it was due to selling then it will really be as simple as taking out a couple of windows and putting the veranda barriers back. No alterations to brickwork or roofline are required.
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Stoop pm Simon aka Terrie on here, im sure got arressted a year ago or so when neighbours complained about him, proberbly a bit more involved but, might be worth speaking with him forthe full facts
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Hi stoop no problems i think on ciceck nearly everyones had extentions upper walk in wardrobes or extra extended bedrooms you will not reconise the place new wall new lighting tons and tons of new soil this is all being done before next year when we go over to fethyie council that tells you something.
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As long as the enclosed area is already part of the structure within the footprint of the building and it is being done with removerable materials ie.upvc or aluminium glass products you do not require planning or consent from neighbours.This changes completly if using bricks or any building materails which are classed as permanent. Hope this helps.
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Cheers mac2010. That's exactly what we intend. No brickwork and simply enclosing an area that is within the structure if the house.
Good point on the council change Mickey! We will go ahead this summer I think as I know at least two or three more wanting to do the same and maybe 10 or more already done it.
My original question was to find out if anyone fancies doing it and getting together to try and get a good deal. One neighbour has already indicated he wants to join forces so if anyone else fancies it please PM me or jimbo.
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Interesting reading.
Now this is what an illegal build looks like, see the extension to the side of the house, extra room 2 double doors, lets see what happens next.
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This is the area we want to enclose. The second picture shows one already done.
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The truth is that you are unlikely to have any problems but it is not correct to say you can make changes as long as they do not increase the footprint or total area of the build. You also do not need any approval by neighbours. Neighbours only come into it because it is them that normally start any action, by reporting your modifications.
I personally would get on and do it. It is not legal in my view, like every roof terrace in Calis is not legal. But most people have one.
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Now all we need is a builder ;)
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As previous replies stoop"..do not put any brickwork in at all,
As Danky said ,we were on a sitest next to yours,out of 63 places 45 of them had put in various sorts of PVC,brickwork etc to make the two bedrooms bigger,we did check if we needed permission,they just said if any neighbour complains you will be fined and may be told to revert it back
For 6 months no problems...then zabita turned up,we were fined 2000 tl,we were told that would be an end to it,HOW WRONG!!
Nearly 1year after this we had a vist from the jandarma,they wanted a statement as to why we had done this,statement given,they said that would be it...WRONG!
Nearly 6months after that ,at 11o clock at night 2 jandarma motor bikes and a jandarma van turned up.
Was told I was in court Tomorow at 1o clock,why I asked? You have added to your property illegally,and the council are taking you to court
Had to get official translator quickly,
Anyway arrived at court,shown in 2judges and recorder were there,turns out the council said they sent 2letters to get me to reinstate but had never received them,I live a short distance from their offices,and know many by their 1st name,nobody had told me!
Anyway to cut this story short I got a two year suspended prison sentence for five years!
6 months later managed to get it quashed,by re instating the work
BEWARE
Thankfully can only laugh at it now
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I always knew you were dodgy :D
And what about the other 44 properties with similar modifications - did they have to go to court? I assume they all have been reverted back to original like yours?
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No ,not heard anything from anyone else,have sold it now,
Seems they wanted to make an example of me,I was told not to say anything about the others,but the judge knew about them as when I was away they visited my house
When I was in court they produced pictures which the judge himself had taken.so I had to pay his costs for the visit!
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I wonder if this would apply if you were opening up a balcony out of your roof space by removing tiles as that is not increasing the living area as balconies are not included in sq m on Tapu if I am not mistaken?
Have seen new roof terraces appear randomly in our area and no-one seems to bother?
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No, it makes no difference where the roof terrace comes from, whether it is old roof space with tiles removed or something larger.
There are loads, maybe that's why no-one seems to bother.
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Go for it stoop. You can probably get the internet in prison ;)
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What a really pretty house Stoop. Lucky you.
It looks like the other house hasn't removed their veranda barriers either so it really would be a case of putting in windows/glass doors then. Don't know anything about the legalities but it sounds like a clever idea to me. Hope you find some neighbours to do it with you.
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No, it makes no difference where the roof terrace comes from, whether it is old roof space with tiles removed or something larger.
There are loads, maybe that's why no-one seems to bother.
Well someone bothered on Violet. Every one of the ten top owners was fined with two of them being arrested, one on more than one occasion, at Dalaman.
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Yes I know - perhaps I shall amend my post to "There are loads, maybe that's why no-one in the belediye/Zabita seems to bother until someone complains".
Jealous neighbours seem to account for the instigation of 99.9% of actions on open roof terraces, not the authorities who only seem to act when someone shoves it under their nose.
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Terrie, what a shocking story, it must have been an awful experience!
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Go for it stoop. You can probably get the internet in prison ;)
Fortunately the house isn't in my name ;)
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Did you alter the brickwork then Terrie? From your post I guess you did.
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Thanks SuzzPuss - yes it is a nice little house and we would be keeping the barriers as a sort of 'Juliet Balcony' I guess.
Sounds posh that does ;)
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;D So you can do your Romeo bit. Sweet.
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Just need to find my Juliet ;)
The wife doesn't read CBF :)
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Based on Terrie's story (Simon) mainly, the conclusion is that you should be ok to get on and do it, as long as you accept that if any one person gets done for doing it, it will be you.
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Just need to find my Juliet ;)
According to a previous thread about King's Garden Scunner does a nice line in pretty frocks and high heels when he's on holiday.
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surely he should be in the Queens Garden?? ;)
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Stu
I got the man from the window place next to Melissa's in ciflik. While he was there he said he said he couldn't do it, but then I showed him the mayor's house and he had a word with him, then came back and said he could do it.
This was about 2 years ago, I think it was about 650 pounds at the time?? But now there are loads of houses that have done this on the site, so they may be able to get you a builder that is local?
Debbie
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Stoop when you get the third bedroom, where are you going to put your washing? Like the blue shirt BTW ;)
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Stoop when you get the third bedroom, where are you going to put your washing? Like the blue shirt BTW ;)
Ha ha! The washing goes on the rear veranda now. Much easier and more wind when Jim sits out there ;)
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Debbie,
The mayor's house? Which one is that?
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Sorry for the late reply,
It's the one on our side of the site, I think it's in front of Diane & John, it faces the road. Or opposite the slanty apartments.
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You mean Coskun the site president or whatever he is now? I've seen his house.