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Title: The times they are a changing....
Post by: philrose on December 10, 2016, 14:29:30 PM


http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/charter-amendment-draft-to-be-submitted-to-turkeys-parliament-at-530-pm.aspx?pageID=238&nID=107139&NewsCatID=338
Title: Re: The times they are a changing....
Post by: mary62 on December 10, 2016, 14:35:21 PM
Blimey.....I can see people running for the hills.
Title: Re: The times they are a changing....
Post by: Colwyn on December 10, 2016, 14:40:57 PM
Delivery of the final nails for the coffin of Ataturk's Turkey.
Title: Re: The times they are a changing....
Post by: Scunner on December 10, 2016, 15:24:45 PM
Assuming MPs are relatively not unintelligent, how are AK Party members and opposition MPs letting this happen?

That baffles me completely.
Title: Re: The times they are a changing....
Post by: Stopfordian on December 10, 2016, 17:27:22 PM

 Going downhill fast, with no brakes and a driver intent on winning at all cost. How long before women are stripped of the right to vote?.
Title: Re: The times they are a changing....
Post by: JohnF on December 10, 2016, 17:42:49 PM
Delivery of the final nails for the coffin of Ataturk's Turkey.

Yes, indeed. 

AK Party members and opposition MPs letting this happen?

AKP members want this - maybe not the majority but a high proportion.  The only practical opposition is the CHP and HDP, the former don't have enough seats and most of the latter are in jail.

The MHP sold out and are backing the changes.  Forty pieces of silver comes to mind.

JF
Title: Re: The times they are a changing....
Post by: Stopfordian on December 10, 2016, 17:57:08 PM

 Did I read somewhere that the MHP agreed to back this in return for the death penalty being restored?
Title: Re: The times they are a changing....
Post by: JohnF on December 10, 2016, 20:45:33 PM
I think you'll find their price runs far deeper and, ultimately for the Turkish people, more costly than that.

JF
Title: Re: The times they are a changing....
Post by: Stopfordian on December 10, 2016, 21:24:43 PM
Yes. Sadly, I think you are right.
Title: Re: The times they are a changing....
Post by: Scunner on December 11, 2016, 11:11:26 AM

AKP members want this


Yes I know. Let's see how much they still want it after a year or two of the RTE one man show.
Title: Re: The times they are a changing....
Post by: Colwyn on December 11, 2016, 12:34:06 PM
With the alleged Gulen coup attempt, IS and PKK attacks the strong man/strong leadership rhetoric will go down well with some. Any chance of the Referendum spoiling the plans?
Title: Re: The times they are a changing....
Post by: JohnF on December 11, 2016, 12:46:27 PM
AKP members want this
Yes I know. Let's see how much they still want it after a year or two of the RTE one man show.

While the party loyal are still enjoying the privileges associated with membership, such as preferential employment, cash handouts, free coal, pots and pans, electrical goods, a goat or sheep here and there, cars etc etc, they'll be happy.  The voting patterns at the last general election showed how "satisfied" many are, unfortunately.

In my opinion, the regions where we're likely to see unrest are places like Ankara, Istanbul and Izmir where the younger educated Turks are in the highest concentration.  Unlike their compatriots in, for example, central Anatolia, they are far more questioning of what they are told by the government and have greater access to news and information from outside Turkey.

Any chance of the Referendum spoiling the plans?

I'd like to think so, but for similar reasons as above, I think its unlikely - and, at the end of the day it is the Turks country, no matter what we (as ex-pats/observers) think about the prospect of a supreme leader.

JF